Gleen Greenwald was on the Alan Colmes show yesterday and got into a rather hefty debate with former deputy undersecretary of defense (under Bush 41), Jed Babbin
Babbin gets really nasty and says on the air that Glenn has "no god damn idea what he's talking about". Babbin tries to say that FISA "does not cover foreign intelligence gathering", which is funny since it is called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Of course Babbin tries a typical neo-con tactic of yelling and screaming over someone when they are talking, but it fails.
Babbin tries to use the argument that he is a lawyer, but I have heard children give better arguments defending the actions of someone.