Republican Immigration Policies Are Devastating Hispanic Membership In Party
By Logan Murphy Saturday Jun 30, 2007 1:45pm
During the roundtable discussion this morning on "Meet The Press" Tim Russert posts the results of two recent polls which show an overwhelming number of Hispanics identify themselves as Democrats As NBC Political News Director Chuck Todd points out, the Republican's stance on immigration could have an enormous impact on the Hispanic vote in 2008, especially in Florida.
Download | play 
Download | play
Todd: "....No Bushes are going to be on the ballot in 2008. That's probably going to flip New Mexico back to the Democrats and then you've got Florida. And that's is where this thing could really, really hurt the Republicans, because if they lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House."
Login or Register to post comments.
If Republicans were somehow able to get Pennsylvania (Giuliani), it could make a Democratic Florida win less important, but I don't think Giuliani would carry it, even against Hillary.
Is it wrong to giggle? cuz that video made me giggle.
Todd: “….No Bushes are going to be on the ballot in 2008. That’s probably going to flip New Mexico back to the Democrats and then you’ve got Florida. And that’s is where this thing could really, really hurt the Republicans, because if they lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House.”
THAT is why there will be NO ELECTION IN 2008.
The fact of the matter is that the Hispanic community should have never trusted the Republicans to begin with.
I think they might have been caught up in the anti gay movement of the right wingers.
Jack Jett
viva Mexico...
They are coming to help us throw bushes out...
Must the MSM always hire Frank Luntz types to prepare their on-screen graphics? Its name is not the DEMOCRAT party, it is the DEMOCRATIC party. Sheesh!
I'm with L AND P. I think they're going to stage a coup. Hell, they're already halfway there.
im sorry, but i cant believe that illegal immigration is the overriding force in why hispanics are not voting repug
there are so many other issues
DITTO.
Bush, Cheney & Rove have plans to suspend the elections in '08. You think Cheney and Rove are stupid enough to spend 8 years grabbing dictatorial powers only to hand them over peacefully, possibly a Democrat?
No way Jose.
If you think he's going to allow this election to actually follow thru, you're most likely without logic.
Don't you guys all know that polls are B.S.?
You can get hard-right Christians to admit to Devil worship if you word the questions right...
[Deleted. NAU conspiracy theory]
Remember, too, that while they are trying to get this Orwellian immigration bill passed, they are also gearing up to force national ID cards on all of us.
The goal now should be to give the undocumented hispanics the right to vote in Presidential elections. Since they are here, they should have that constitutional right. This will make sure there will be no more Bush and Cheney types ever getting elected again.
And if we can finally merge Mexico back with the USA, the GOP will be finished forever!!! We need to work toward this.
Why do Republicans hate Hispanics?
These conspiracy theories are laughable!! A coup?!
With what army? Even if the generals back the Prez, I can guarantee you that your average soldier ain't gonna stand by and watch a coup take place, whether its his own party staging it or not.
It'd only sink the country more into mass chaos that anything else. Too many people own guns in America. It's precisely why we have a 2nd Amendment.
Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
You all better start trying to fix the election system if you ever want to win another presidential.
The electronic machines are owned by partisan GOP entities who's CEO's have been quoted promising the election of 2004 to Bush.
Paper ballots - Hand counted.
Cheaper, easier, more secure.
People should count, not machines.
And why do Republicans hate Mexico so much that they will not give Mexico the opportunity to become part of the USA.
Dave M @ 16:
Ever heard of Blackwater?
Good try.
Bic @ 19:
Ever heard of Blackwater?
Good try.
Nice job avoiding the fact that millions of Americans still own guns and wouldn't stand for it.
Good try, yourself.
Dave M @ 21:
Nice job avoiding the fact that millions of Americans still own guns and wouldn't stand for it.
Good try, yourself.
I'm thankfull for the 2nd Amendment, but have you ever had a gun fight with a team of elite 21st century warriors toting automatic rifles and night scopes?
Get back in your time machine, change the date from 1812 to 2007 and let's talk.
Dave M @ 16:
I agree, "No way Jose" ...just some of those "out there" who apparently believe that
this country can be taken over and run by bush/cheney w/o knowing or wanting to
acknowldge such "take over" is as unlikely as it is that GWB be relected again. The
renewing by bush of the "War Powers Act" is no different than that done by Clinton
and his predecessors.
graybo @ 18:
Why do Democrats hate Americans so much they will not give America the opportunity to become part of Mexico.
Todd: “….No Bushes are going to be on the ballot in 2008. That’s probably going to flip New Mexico back to the Democrats and then you’ve got Florida. And that’s is where this thing could really, really hurt the Republicans, because if they lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House.”
Especially if they nominate Fred Thompson, who said immigrants from Cuba are likely terrorists.
Gary @ 24:
Most of us, I believe, would prefer to become a part of Canada...they at least speak
our language
Proposition 187 in California was passed with support of Latino voters.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:5g9MxMoVwZEJ:repositories.cdlib.org...
"Latino National Political Survey data revealing panethnic perspectives on a variety of political issues, 75.2% of Mexican Americans interviewed agreed that there were "too many immigrants." In fact, the percentage of Mexican Americans agreeing that there were too many immigrants was higher than that of Anglos (73.8% )"
"Those Chicanos who competed with illegals for housing, who received low wages and who lacked job security were those who perceived a threat from continued flow of illegal immigrants. The Rodriguez-Nuñez study also found that perceptions of illegals changed among community members with higher socio-economic status: better educated, middle-class Chicano professionals and business owners not only perceived no job threat, but were often most sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants and were among those who campaigned against human rights abuses and provided immigration counsel to illegals."
Professionals who hired Illegals to do yard work, maids, etc. also supported them in the election.
Bush Bites @ 25:
Freddie Boy did back off of that statment, but that is the ONLY thing I can recall
that he has done correctly...
Doggiebobo @ 28:
Ha! Too bad. He said it and he's going to live with it.
I would agree that we need to tear down our artificial borders and barriers and all be together as North Americans. Then we won't have any problem with illegal or undocumented immigrants. We should all be together and the GOP is wrong trying to preserve these phony borders. (Bush's support for the amnesty bill was nothing but a fake-out, to pretend Republicans wanted comprehensive immigration reform.)
Doggiebobo @ 26:
Unless you move to the French speaking Eastern provinces.
While the perpetual tug-a-war between party A and B is always a goodly time to sit back and sip a cold one too (Even if said tug-a-war is, at present, simply a dubious poll a year prior to the event), I rather hope to see those independent numbers go a bit higher.
Furthermore, these armed coup theories are epic enough to -almost- justify coming in to work on a Sunday.
graybo @ 30:
This is no jest. Taking down the phony borders will help the whole continent.
Moreover, the new Representatives in Washington coming from the Mexican states would likely by Democrats. So, it's a win-win situation.
Donaldd @ 31:
They're just kidding themselves. I've never had trouble speaking English in Quebec.
Which is why this whole "national language" stuff is idiotic anyway.
Wingnuts: English will not be swept away by Spanish--trust me on this one.
Donaldd @ 31:
I could make that work inasmuch as the Eastern provinces of Canada have in place
a "universal health care plan" soooooooo much superior to what "we" have...one that
is French orienanted and provides the care for ALL citizens.
Bic @ 22:
You are still operating on an awful lot of assumptions.
1) Blackwater leadership goes along with this.
2) Blackwater employees go along with this.
3) Flag Officer military leadership lets it happen.
4) FGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
5) CGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
6) The enlisted force lets it happen.
7) Congress twiddles their thumbs while it happens.
8) The American people let it happen.
Were this to happen, Congress would most likely impeach and convict Bush/Cheney at near unanimity (any GOP obstructionists would never be re-elected, so I doubt they'd vote against it). Pelosi would then be Prez, and then she'd tell the U.S. military to go route the insurrectionists.
So, like I said: Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
That amnesty bill that some self described "Liberals" are so fond of required all illegals to go BACK to MEXICO, pay a $5000 fine and then come back under a work visa under low wages, no insurance, retirement opportunity, or job security.
Oh yea, Liberals should be ALL over that.
I've got a few tips for you "Liberals" that support this bill.
1. Do your own laundry and dishes.
2. Mow your own lawn.
3. etc...
Stop supporting the continued drive toward creating a permanent underclass in this country just so you Lexus Liberals can have your criminally-cheap labor.
Dave M @ 38:
You would have to agree that we are BOTH operating on a number of assumptions, but Congress would most likely IMPEACH? LOL
But I wonder why Haliburton's KBR is building detention centers?
I don't buy into this idea that the Hispanics will be a big factor for dems in FL. The majority of them are Cuban - Americans and JFK sold them out over the The Bay of Pigs and clinton sent Elian Gonzalez back. Its because of their strong memories and big mouths we still have a dumbass embargo against Cuba. I just don't see them changing sides.
Bic @ 41:
Yeah, but my chain of assumptions is a lot more rigid and less likely to happen than the one you believe. I still think you are being paranoid.
And yes, Congress would impeach. Not because they'd find the backbone to, but because the American people would demand it. Congress'd cave to the angry, gun-toting public. And that's only because there are more of us than them.
Public + Military >>>>>> Blackwater in sheer numbers.
Remember of course when counting the votes to allow a 22% margin for votes stolen by the Republican party and if all else fails the Supreme Court can just appoint another disaster...I mean President.
But I wonder why Haliburton's KBR is building detention centers?
I am not saying that Detention Centers "were" not being built at one time. When googling
this subject matter, the most recent articles I found were dated Jan. thur April of 2006,
so considerable more than a year ago is the most recent info I found. Of course IF such
is continuing, it would not be of a great surprise to me that the MSM is failing to report
and/or cover such construction of detention centers....it's just that I have seen nothing
is last 18 or so months in the newsprint or other media indicating they were being built
and/or for what purpose those already built was intended....Just saying....
[Deleted. Incoherent]
GDliberal @ 41:
Most recent census info indicates following for Florida:
65 percent White
17 prcent Hispanic/Latino
15 percent Black
3 percent Other
So, I concur, the likelihood of Hispanic/Latino/Cuban-American vote in any of the near
future General Elections will be "nil"
Who cares which political party Hispanics identify themselves? If any non-white group overwhelmingly identitfy with one party over the other, then I hope they are doing it because that party best represents them and not because they're rebelling over ONE issue. Faith-based voters love to vote against their best interests just over the abortion issue. It doesn't matter that Republicans are pro-death penalty. It doesn't matter that Republicans are ALWAYS pro-war. It doesn't matter that Republicans don't believe in helping the lessor among us but believe they should help themselves. On every issue, except abortion, the Republican party stands against the core beliefs and practices of any religion. Yet, the faith-based crowd takes the abortion issue and side with the Republicans overwhelmingly over it.
If the growing Hispanic population is going to look at the border issue and say "Democrats = Good, Repubicans = Bad" then they are making the same mistake. What makes government works is when no politician can take the voter for granted. Just like every great company doesn't take their loyal customers for granted. PLEASE stopping making up your mind about which party or politician you're going to vote for until you hear all of the viewpoints of all of the candidates on each issue.
Vote with your brain and not your heart!
i don't really care about what the hispanic community thinks, i care more about why goerge bush couldn't find the money for border security but he can find billions of dollars to buy the ceo and shareholders million dollars house through the contract in iraq while the american soldiers along with the iraqi are dying. if he can find the money to buy mansion for the ceo and shareholder of halliburton, blackwater, and kgb, than he can find money for increase border security.
Mister Anderson @ 47
Well put and stated, and is wise,sage advise...
You are still operating on an awful lot of assumptions.
1) Blackwater leadership goes along with this.
2) Blackwater employees go along with this.
3) Flag Officer military leadership lets it happen.
4) FGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
5) CGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
6) The enlisted force lets it happen.
7) Congress twiddles their thumbs while it happens.
8) The American people let it happen.
Were this to happen, Congress would most likely impeach and convict Bush/Cheney at near unanimity (any GOP obstructionists would never be re-elected, so I doubt they’d vote against it). Pelosi would then be Prez, and then she’d tell the U.S. military to go route the insurrectionists.
So, like I said: Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.
Who said it would be a military coup? Look how much power they've already seized without firing a single shot in the United States. Habeas corpus flushed down the toilet, illegal spying on American citizens, suspects indefinitely detained, corrupting the Justice Department--hell, the Supreme Court put Generalissimo W where he is today, not the voters.
And after all that the Dems have taken impeachment "off the table." They'll go along "for the common good" when it happens, don't worry.
I feel bad for Hispanics because they mistakenly think the Democrats better represent them when we all know the only thing most Democrats do is pay lip service to the causes of equal rights and freedom. As long as we continue to put faith in the existing Democratic Party, we are doomed to repeat the history of the last 30 years.
Doggiebobo @ 37:
I go along with Michael Moore; take the best of all the countries health care plans and make it into ours.
My born in India cardiologist threw a birthday and high school graduation party for his 2 daughters; Near a million dollars with a TV camera crew from MTV flown into town. The grad is in India for college living in a "palace" he bought for her.
Crap like that is why medical costs are so high.
i saw sicko, and this old english guy made a really good point. he was talking about how the british come about with universal health care, where he said image how the american people felt during 9/11, how every american people came together to help one another, and than image 9/11 happening every single day for 8 months when the nazi were bombing london, afterward the british government spend millions of dollars destroying the german and their allies during the ww2, and many british started thinking that if you can find money to kill people than you can find money to help them.
Foreigners are strongly Democratic-leaning, therefore it stands to show that Republicans wish to do everything in sight to keep them and their votes from ever getting to the US.
I was wondering how crazy I was for thinking that the reason for Bush to be pushing this immigration issue and bill these days is a completely calculated move to give the Republicans an issue with which to separate themselves from his sinking ship. I completely believe that Rove is capable of pulling this off, and it makes sense - I mean, when has Bush spent this much capital on anything that was so antithetical to the goals of "the base"?
Anyone else see any promise in this line of thought?
Why are these new poll numbers a surprise to the Grand “Obstructionist” Party and its pundits? Matthews actually sounds shocked not to mention dismayed. When their servile Grade A approved representatives (Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc………) specifically attack Latino immigrants what in the hell do they expect? Republicans hate you, but vote Republican??? Are they really and truly that stupid?
Bic @ 22:
You're right - The Iraquis aren't able to put up much of a fight against the US troops in their country, are they?
ALL minorities, with the shaky exception of Cubans, should never ever ever ever ever ever vote Republican, because they want to take their rights away. This includes women, which is why Republican women should not be trusted.
The Right wing-nutO's are thankfully a dying breed.
Military Commissions Act of 2006 is not only attacking Habeas Corpus it is a Conspiracy to obstruct justice giving Bush Administration immunity from prosecution for War Crimes through an Unconstitutional ex post facto law.
The Supreme Court had ruled in Hamdan Vs Rumsfeld that torture methods Bush approved doing were war crimes.
With Democratic legislature poised to take control of Congress Bush placed a Rush order on the Bill in a meeting with Republicans behind closed doors to "Git 'er Done". Knowing the Democrats would not pass it; Republicans did Bush's bidding.
Those kidnapped and tortured prisoners some of whom died under their illegal interrogation methods had died; Under international law, "MURDER", demands a death sentence.
MCA said "illegal enemy combatants" could stand trial under military tribunals and prisoners were charged only as "enemy combatants" and a Military Judge threw out the cases. A little legal technicality.
My worst guess is the Supreme court could rule in a partisan political expedient rush that a "illegal enemy combatant" is the same as an "enemy combatant" and continue the tribunals.
I hope I'm wrong!
ARE YOU LISTENING, RAHM EMANUEL?
NO, HE IS
TOO BUSY TAKING CREDIT FOR HOWARD DEANS WORK!
The hispanic vote is the great game between D and R. The GOP lost the black vote and can still pull down victories but neither party can lose the hispanic vote to that extent. Its a death sentence. I agree with the anti-amnesty conservatives (and many dems) on immigration so its a tricky issue. There is no doubt though that the GOP has lost the PR war on this issue. They had a few too many ill-timed comments from their rowdier members.
And WHY hasn't the Electoral College, that archaic holdover from the days when the "Colonies" had different money, different governments, and it took 2 weeks or more for news to travel just up and down the coast, WHY hasn't that damn thing been abolished? If not for the Electoral College, we wouldn't have Bush in the White House, nor have had Trick Dicky. DUMP IT!!! It's anti-democratic.
capnmike @ 63:
Ahahaha!
The Electoral College was not a holdover. It was first created in the Constitution and had no predecessor anywhere in North America.
Good job@ fact checking.
Doggiebobo @ 26:
We might like some of the citizens from blue states, but no red-staters, or pseudo-christians allowed. BUT, ulimtately, our world views are a million miles apart. The USA wants to run/control/influence/rape (I meant shape, but as it's already typed as "rape"... ) the planet. Canada wants to be left alone. We rarely intervene in any other country's politics. It's not our business. We're the best kept secret on the planet. I'm glad everyone thinks we live in igloos and have no electricity.
You are still operating on an awful lot of assumptions.
1) Blackwater leadership goes along with this.
2) Blackwater employees go along with this.
3) Flag Officer military leadership lets it happen.
4) FGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
5) CGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
6) The enlisted force lets it happen.
7) Congress twiddles their thumbs while it happens.
The American people let it happen.
These aren't assumptions. This is what's happening right now. Open your eyes, buy some Q-tips.
Anyway, back to the thread. What I dislike about your system is how one state can have so much say, even over several other states. States like Florida and Ohio can sweep the country. It just doesn't seem right. Think of all those middle (red) states with no connection to the outside world. Those states where no one has ever been anywhere (but church), or if they did go they didn't get it (see below). What is their world view? Not much. America is great..blah blah blah.
Do I have time for a little anecdote? Yes. OK. I was in Paris years ago, walking along the Seine, looking at the artists paintings. Four "corn farmers" were there too, but they were terribly frustrated. They were looking for a painting with a barn and a split rail fence. Oddly, the paintings were scenes of Paris. I wondered, why did you people even bother coming???? Like this (them thinking) place is OK, but it's not America. So why travel??
I can't imagine what these people are thinking when they vote!!!!!!!! Are they aware of the lives of the other 5,700,000,000 on the planet????
That pole only matters if they vote.
Dave M @ 21:
Nice job avoiding the fact that millions of Americans still own guns and wouldn't stand for it.
Good try, yourself.
That's funny because those same American's have sat back for 6 years and allowed Bushco. to shred apart the constitution, which doesn't mean shit to the average guns owner because they're little children that lke their toys and don't want them taken away.
These people will not give up power and one of three thing's will happen before the end of this administration's term.
1# Bush will be assasinated thus allowing Darth to declare a SOE and suspend election's untill thing's are "safe".
2# An attack will happen and a SOE will be declared so Bush can suspend elections but there will a be a national uproar. Best bet would be a nuke going off in Washington while Bushco. is "fishing" and out of there. That would get rid of congress and Bush could bring back the troops to police the U.S.A. thus turning the country into China, which is ultimate goal of these sub-humanoids.
3# They finish their term and crack open the off-shore accounts. The Dems won't bother to go after them because they'll be too busy acting like hot shit when they win the White House and start running the country even further into the ground.
Edwin @ 65:
When I'm in the states I love telling people that we elect our leaders based on their skills at ice sculpting with chainsaws.
[...] Crooks and Liars
I am hearing some pretty radical stuff here guys! I'm glad you're excited and want to make a difference, but let's be clear on some things.
-Mexico will never be part of the United States, Puerto Rico doesn't even do it.
-Democrats MUST capitalize on the Hispanic vote by running campaigns with Spanish websites, and hiring speakers to have town hall meetings in Spanish in places like NM, FL, OH, NV, VA, and any state that has a chance to swing one way or the other.
-If the minorities continue to come in from all over the world, it will be only harder and harder for Republicans to pull of squeakers. However, the problem with this is these people are often moving to already very democratic big cities.
-FL was much more Republican in 04 than 00, but it's not out of reach, and there are a lot of votes there just waiting to be tapped into.
[...] lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House.
More pro-illegal alien claptrap. Kinda ignores the fact that a MAJORITY of Hispanic Americans favor strengthening the border and oppose amnesty for illegals.
This all goes back to the VOTER CAGING lists exposed by GREG PALAST
http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers/
The Republicans are scrubbing minorities from the voting roles. They may already have won '08.
RP
It must be nice to be a Floridian, knowing that you get to pick who can be the president.
We need to fix the electoral college. This is just ridiculous.
The party will make up for the Hispanic voter loss by having Speedy Gonzales sign an 'Attorney General Signing Statement', giving the head of the DOJ 100,000 votes in the next election.
Betcha Bush won't veto that.
And Cheney will change his name to 'Chenendez', his residence to Florida, and vote "As many times as I G** D***** well please".
Take a quick peek at Mexico's govt. I'm not so sure I would put too much trust in Mexican's (illegal immigrants) voting abilities if given any. They're not here to "kick out the Bush's" they're here for the free healthcare to shit out a bunch of kids they can't afford to raise. They play into the hands of the corpoprations seeking to keep the staus quo of low wages, no benefits and union busting/quelling. Expecting them to stem the tide of Republican dominance is foolish. The Repubs are already ahead of the curve on this issue, making the democrats abandone their strong union stance on the immigration issue. The Dems are getting their hat handed to them on an issue they should dominate. Unions are not pro illegal immigration. It's too late for the Dems to use this issue against the Repubs because, as usual, they were asleep at the switch. Way to go Dems, you're already blowing it for 2008. Stupid fucks.
Now that we're approaching being thoroughly outsourced, might as well give what's left to the whining mexican hordes.
Citizens be damned.
This is the Open Secret. We have to dig deep to find anything about the pounding we are getting from both sides of the same aisle, the media, or the REAL effects on the flattened american citizen.
It doesn't matter if their votes are "spoiled." "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast is a must read.
Are you "Americans" sure that the border didn't cross them? Your arrogance is amusing.
Che your comment speaks for itself.
You're the darling of the bush administration, and whatever "rights" (freebees) you're feeling so entitled to are being denied the entire population, who will carry your asses then?
It's a joke that anyone but white males would suport the Republican party anyway. They consistently, and publicly, spew hate and venom. Rightwing talk radio is virulently racists. Many Republicans go on those shows, what does that tell you.
Sarge @ 74:
Thanks for proving the message board that you are a xenophobe...spoken like a true republican...shame on you!
You guys are so fucking stupid. Republicans don't support illegal immigration and give up our country to get votes like you democrats. I have nothing wrong with immigration but not if it is illegal. We need a fucking fence and i of course deportation of aliens without criminal backrounds (other than being here illegally) should be able to stay. You guys should really start looking at other websites because this is just some extremely left trash your looking at.
A SURGE IN APPLICATIONS FOR CITIZENSHIP
Voter registration is growing among Hispanics as more become citizens and more become enraged at anti-immigrant policies.
JUST A THOUGHT
Several decades ago, immigrants from Hispanic origin came to the USA. They didn’t bother to participate in politics. They came to work and nothing else. Why to bother if the country was going OK. They didn’t speak the language very well and they thought let’s leave politics in the hands of those who are in power. Working and keeping a job was their main goal. Many even didn’t bother to change their immigrant status as residents.
But a couple of years ago, particularly this year, something happened. Because they can not be recognized or distinguished by appearance, with the so called illegals, they started to realize that they had to become citizens to obtain a higher level of protection. They realized that they were being demonized. Many of them are coming to vote for the first time.
Some of this population belongs to the group that came with the amnesty offered by President Reagan in 1986-1988. They too started to become citizens. There is no way that anyone can identify an illegal alien just by looking at them. You cannot tell who is an American citizen just by looking. Latino voters are tired of getting treated as something less than real Americans.
They could be legally here; they could have lived in the U.S. for generations. The only marker is skin color. The effect of the immigration debate on many Latino voters has been to make them feel like their Americanness is being questioned, even if they have been here for many generations.
The rampant xenophobia encased in fear of terrorism has made it critical for the legal immigrants, once illegal, to acquire the status that would grant them immunity from narrow legal persecution. However, it is not strange that in this xenophobic wave these people are feeling being threatened and insulted..
In the meantime, the Republicans had their chance for about 6 years to make a statement that the republican party would take care of the American people and they really showed they don't care by their non-actions and clearly directed actions against inmigrants. Republicans have been filibustering everything that comes up in the Senate.
It is true that some Democrats such as Jim Webb, Jon Tester and Claire McCaskill vote with the majority of Republicans to kill the Senate immigration compromise, without offering a realistic and achievable alternative that would establish a more humane policy.
But, it is also undeniable that the most vicious, the most wretched, the most offensive, the most revolting, the most ruthless, the most vilifying, the most repulsive attacks have come and are still coming from Republicans.
Just a few examples to illustrate it.
1) Sensenbrenner wanted the criminalization of these people.
2) Newt Gingrich, Former House speaker, who coined Spanish as the Language of the gheto
3) Fred Thompson just slammed Cubans, suggesting that they come to America not in search of freedom, but to bring “suitcase bombs.”
4) Dana Rohrbach in his speeches is warning the end of America as we know it.
5) Tancredo, his motto"a scourge that threatens the very future of our nation."
6) J.D Hayworth, not reelected, but still instilling hate, no comments.
The list goes on and on.. . I rest my case.
One thing is certain, the Republicans were mum on all issues with immigration reform as just one of them. They controlled the white house and congress. If there is anytime in which a party is able to get things done, it's when they don't have anyone to really interfere.
Immigration was just one of them.
Indeed, the Hispanic vote is hardly a monolithical block. But what the anti inmigrant rethoric has done is bringing them closer together, solidifying this block.
Therefore, it seems to me that the most recalcitrant and extreme positions are from Republicans, where no room is for middle ground. This whole episode has branded the Republicans as the anti-inmigrant party.
So Republicans have done this at a national level. Pretty transparent move they did, and now the immigrant population, Irish, Phillipinos and many other immigrants, particularly Hispanics, are aware of this issue.
As mentioned before, the most vicious, the most wretched, the most offensive, the most revolting, the most ruthless, the most vilifying, the most repulsive attacks have come and are still coming from Republicans.
At any rate, this is the beginning of the legal immigrant backlash directed against the Republican Party for their position on the immigration bill.
By your actions, you shall be judged.!
YOU ARE INSULTING AMERICAN SOLDIERS OF HISPANIC DESCENT !!!
Part of my family lives in USA, part of my family lives in Mexico.
One of my uncles fought in the Second World War in Europe. Two other were stationed ready to go abroad when the war ended.
A cousin of mine went to Vietnam.
One of my nephews has been to Iraq (not only once, but twice !!).
My other nephew is presently fighting in Afghanistan.
Both of my nephews are with the Marine Corps. Semper fi.
The parents of all these American soldiers, my relatives, came here first without proper documentation, with the exception of one, thus illegally. Even one of these Marines was born in Mexico.
They were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their new country.
Let me remind you that many Mexicans came to USA during the Second World War to work in agriculture and other industries, because the male population was drafted to fight overseas.
Many of the present Hispanics are the descendants of those people that stayed here.
Some of these soldiers are from parents that were once illegal. They have even joined the military and died in foreign countries
My uncles and cousins of my American family are in disbelief by your statements. You are poisoning further the atmosphere.
Why do you hate us so much, why do you want to harm us?
We are not terrorists!
Do you believe in God? Do you have a religion?
THE RULE OF LAW
Why are you claiming the rule of law against people that came here to work? Work that many of you don’t want to perform.
“Rule of law” means enforcing laws that are capable of enforcement, otherwise people merely learn disrespect for the law. Obviously, immigration laws that refuse to recognize the inevitable attraction of a lack of unskilled labor on one side of the border and a lack of employment for unskilled labor on the other is not workable no matter how much of the taxpayers' billions get poured down a rathole of “enhanced” enforcement
Did you forget about the prohibition time, when many illegal activities flourished, including the rise of the mafia? This is exactly what happens when laws are NOT capable of enforcement. Black market and illicit activities are the result.
Did you know that President Carter gave pardon for those that did not join the war in Vietnam? Many went to Canada, and others flew to Mexico.
You sure know that President Ford gave full pardon to Nixon because of the Watergate scandal.
And according to what it is known, Nixon violated blatantly the law in many issues and on a great scale. This does not mean that therefore, others must violate the law. But what I am saying is that in the history of this great country there are some examples of amnesty or whatever you want to call it.
But you are in uproar claiming this very same rule of law.
WALLS HAVE NEVER WORKED IN HISTORY
The Chinese wall, it didn’t work,
The Berlin wall: a complete failure, but yet you want to built one along the border of Mexico.
The Maginot Line (a line of concrete fortifications, tank obstacles, machine gun posts and other defenses which France constructed along its borders with Germany). Another failure.
This last term is sometimes used today to describe any comically ineffective protection.
One thing is certain; all have proven his futility and uselessness.
The hate against Jews made Hitler to climb to his actual position. As a result of his ascent and silence and approval of the German population, the killings and destruction were countless. This is also what the Ku Klux Klan tried to do against African Americans in USA, luckily without success. The white supremacists, Nazis, and the KKK are closely related.
Maybe this is what some of you feel, but won't admit.
Perhaps unknowingly or unwittingly you are helping them.
This is the same mistake that Germans made with Hitler.
Login or Register to post comments.