Impeach Cheney
By Nicole Belle Thursday Jul 05, 2007 4:15pmThe American Research Group recently conducted a survey that 54% of those surveyed supported the impeachment of Dick Cheney. My first reaction was "Why so low?" Having some personal experience with surveys, I'd like to see exactly how the framed that particular question (and what other questions were surrounding it) to get an idea of why exactly someone with an approval rating at or nearing the single digits--of whom a majority believe he may have committed illegal acts--would not merit at least an investigation of articles of impeachment in a larger majority of those surveyed.
I tell you, it's a concept that needs more consideration. As I said a couple of days ago, I was slow to join the impeachment bandwagon. But the idea of starting with Cheney certainly has a logic and appeal to it on many levels. Robert Greenwald and Brave New Films has a new ad out supporting Dennis Kucinich's HR 333.
You can sign the petition to ask Congress to consider HR 333 here.
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it's official we have a majority.
We need to hit them hard and hit them NOW!
Vote people this may be our one chance to bring down Cheney.
Yeah, it took me a while to jump the impeachment divide, but trying it on cheney makes a whole lot of sense. I do believe that all the evilness in this administration leads back to him so it would make sense that he should go. Bush would throw a fit, but who cares? He throws a fit about anything that goes against his childish ideas.
You could take that one statement where he says there was no doubt that Saddam had wmd, and get him on that alone. There sure as hell was doubt in the CIA but he chose to ignore it.
Why doesn't Cheney and crew just take Olbermann's advice and resign?????
Cheney isn't going anywhere. When when people realize Chimpy's White House doesn't give two shits what the public thinks??? They laugh this off....it means nothing.
Who do you think is going to initiate such an action??? Obviously, no one from the GOP. Not Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi. Not any of the other spineless Dems. God forbid they take a step and risk being labeled as (GASP!)...a liberal.
This is a dead-end. Chimpy and Cheney are in power until January 2009. Deal with it.
One thing I'm not clear on, and this is *not* flamebait, but an honest question. I thought Saddam *had* used a chemical weapon on the kurds (mustard gas?) at one, or more, points. Does that not qualify as a weapon of mass descruction? I want to be clear, as it would seem to be one valid point. This is not excusing the manufacture of intelligence, but I do not think it can just be ignored. Anyone have any links to more information or stories with validity?
JS --- When the inspectors went to Iraq before this current war, their sole purpose was to see if Iraq was making or storing any usable WMD. They found none. They wanted more time to be absolutely sure, but they had found none when we decided to attack. There are quite a few countries that have produced or used chemical weapons at some point in their history, this is not a reason to attack them. There needs to be compelling evidence that it is current and an immediate threat. That was not the case with Iraq.
BTW - We supplied Saddam with most of his weapons when he was fighting Iran - So if there is anyone to really blame for Saddam coming to power --- It would be us.
I hope you realize that your link on the topic of Cheney's approval rating is a joke.
Cheney is not well liked, but I'm fairly sure he still has a higher approval rating than most serial killers. (Not to mention Yanni)
JS, I'm sorry I can't find the link right now but Robert Bear (I hope I spelled it correctly) was an ex CIA guy and he had an article on the web explaining how if Saddam did have any of those weapons left now, they would have deteriorated and be unusable. Also the weapons inspectors had found nothing there. There just wasn't any current info to back up what cheney, et al, were saying. Bush was saying that Saddam had to prove he didn't have the weapons (which is asking someone to prove a negative). When the story came out about the yellow cake that wasn't, that seemed all the proof I needed that there was no wmd. If they had to lie to make their case and they used that even after they knew it wasn't true, then that must have been their best evidence. Just not enough facts to take our country into a ill thought out war.
Anyone know Condi Rice a Roni is doing.....? Haven't heard any optimistic junk from her about mid east peace lately. Or is she quietly under investigation too?
"My first reaction was “Why so low?”
My first reaction (in response) is to say: "Because congressional democrats- with too few notable exceptions- lack a fundamental integrity".
Were they to rise to their oaths and duty, people who have heretofore sat in darkness would be led to see a great light.
Paul, Condi was in Maine with her husband, oops strike that, her president and Putin. I saw her interviewed today on the NBC cable channel that shows the stock market actions all day long. Saw her face and changed the channel.
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Would the impeachment proceedings include the extraction of his hand from W?
Well the problem with *not* starting with Bush is that Bush will do for Cheney what he did for Scooter. I'm sorry, but The Shrub has already set precedent that he will not let any of his cronies go down. So, I say start at the top. You don't blame the ensign for running into the underwater object you blame the captain of the ship because it's his boat! The Shrub is the President, and I'm sorry, "I didn't know this was going on" is NOT an acceptable answer or the leader of the free world to respond with.
Speaker Pelosi, I think it's time you cleared a bit of space on that table.
Impeach, then imprison. There can be no greater crime than leading a nation to war on a pack of lies.
Wouldn't Gonzo have to be involved in this at some point? Should that be the case, it's dead before it begins. Of course with Gonzo's memory problem, he might not be as big a problem after all.
Yes please do before he gets Putin and everyone else seriously pissed off at us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbwj5UFIQvg&mode=related&search=
My first reaction was “Why so low?
When we realize how bad the EXTREME RIGHT WING MAIN STREAM MEDIA (ERWMSM) is, we also have to know that the poles are manipulated too.
It's because Americans think that Impeachments are for blow jobs and are wondering what all the hubbub is about.
It is about time. The time to consider has past the time to do is now. Grip and rip it, after all what does one have to do to get impeached?
ticktock @ 5:
Because Hell doesn't have Cable.
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Anyone know Condi Rice a Roni is doing…..?...Or is she quietly under investigation too?
Countess Condi only comes out of her coffin for sex with Bushula.
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PNAAC Minister@15 Says:
Would the impeachment proceedings include the extraction of his hand from W?
Yes, but he can still use his ventriloquist talents.
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Now days it's "Wow-Neat-Cool" or "Turn Iraq into glass"" or "hahahaha that vaporizing scene was bad man!"
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JS, this is what I understand. The US encouraged the Iraqi war against Iran. We incuraged the Saudis and others to fund the war (lone money to Sadham) and we even supplied intelligence to one side and then the other (we didn’t really want Iraq to win the war, just bleed Iran). When Iran recovered from the surprise attack and mobilized a counter attack, Iraq was near collapse. The US and others allowed Sadham to get the WMD to defend against the very aggressive Iranian attacks. No outrage was shown when he used WMD on Iran. Iran encouraged the Kurds to rise up and revolt at this time. Sadham’s military was stretched very thin and could ilafford to deploy divisions to put down the revolt. So he did pretty much what we did in the second World War. We nuked 2 of Japan’s cities to demonstrate the futility of their resistance against brutal weapons they could not defend against. He did the same, and the revolt was crushed. Again, no outcry from the current US administration.
"Vote people this may be our one chance to bring down Cheney."
You are going to need a lot more than nine backers for Kucinich's bill.
"This is a dead-end. Chimpy and Cheney are in power until January 2009."
This is not a dead-end, this is DEFEATISM.
Just because we can't impeach either of these two bastards doesn't mean they are going to finish their terms. INDICTMENTS will drive them from power, if we can pressure them enough, and if we can get Gonzales and the bastard crony in the 2nd Circuit to resign.
Defeatists are trying to handle their own stress -- it's understandable. Plenty of people want either a magical solution, or the dubious (and lazy) contentment of total pessimism.
Instead, we will continue our effort to remove the Exec by indictment, scandal, political pressure, and piece-by-piece removal of cronies, of which 20 are already gone. Continue to support the Dem Chairpersons who are recording evidence of these crimes.
PNAAC Minister: It has been conclusively proven that Bush is not, I repeat, not Cheney's ventriloquist dummy.
The chief piece of evidence is that ventriloquists' dummies actually occasionally argue with the ventriloquist.
We should not only impeach Cheney then Bush, but Prosecute them for high crimes. What would be the lesson otherwise for all the lost blood and treasure? They walk?
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former Republican
I thought Saddam *had* used a chemical weapon on the kurds (mustard gas?) at one
These were weapons that the U.S. sold Iraq so they could use them on Iran. The big question was, did the Iraqis actually have a program that was manufacturing these on their own? Evidently, they didn't. The chemical weapons they found after the invasion that were sold by us had already deteriorated to the point of being ineffective. Several agencies as well as U.N. inspectors warned the Bush administration that the Iraqis did not have these capabilities.
The whole "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" story was a sham and a pretext to declare war. Why? Control a big chunk of the oil rich Middle East. To keep oil prices down? No, to keep them up. With Iraq in the their pocket, Cheney et al. can now manipulate supply and demand. Throttle it back. It is that simple. Sell less product for more money.
OPEC and Cheney: sucking the money right out of your pockets.
Paul in LA @ 28:
This is not defeatism....this is realism.
Once again, who will bring forth this kind of action???
As I mentioned earlier, the evil GOP will not and the worthless Dems cannot. Who does that leave???
You have Chimp/Cheney until January 2009. That's a fact. A sad, miserable fact...but still a fact.
"we even supplied intelligence to one side and then the other" -- dropkick
When did we share intelligence with Iran?
Iran recovered from the surprise attack and mobilized a counter attack, Iraq was near collapse. The US and others allowed Sadham to get the WMD to defend against the very aggressive Iranian attacks."
Allowed? Hussein was well within his power to buy the dual-use materials from as many as ten foreign powers, as he did.
"No outrage was shown when he used WMD on Iran."
What do you mean by 'outrage.' Do you mean by the Reagan gov't?
"Iran encouraged the Kurds to rise up and revolt at this time."
Where is your evidence of that (a Kurd revolt)?
"Sadham’s military was stretched very thin and could ilafford to deploy divisions to put down the revolt. So he did pretty much what we did in the second World War."
Where is the example from WWII of the use by US forces of chemical weapons on non-combatants?
"We nuked 2 of Japan’s cities to demonstrate the futility of their resistance against brutal weapons they could not defend against."
The circumstances are NOT at all comparable.
"He did the same, and the revolt was crushed. Again, no outcry from the current US administration."
I presume you mean the Reagan/Bush administrations, and 'contemporary' not 'current.'
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"This is not defeatism….this is realism....You have Chimp/Cheney until January 2009. That’s a fact. A sad, miserable fact…but still a fact.
Like I said, DEFEATISM.
Facts are in play.
Paul in LA @ 35:
Well, you must have A LOT more faith in the Dems than I do. What have you seen from them that suggests they have the stones to fight Chimpy & Cheney???
I've seen a lot of empty words and non-action. I expect more of the same.
We've seen what happens when the roles are reversed. The GOP plays dirty...and they play to win. If you don't like it...too bad. The Dems are scared little children who are incapable of confronting this Republican White House. They are as weak as the GOP makes them out to be.
Believe me, I don't like it at all. But my name says it all...The Truth Hurts.
I'm voting for Dennis and with my $$$ too. all these others are just playing games. Kucinich is the one that America needs if Gore and Dean are out.
Forget the Leadership.
Convince the Judiciary Committee. http://tinyurl.com/23kxxh
"I thought Saddam *had* used a chemical weapon on the kurds (mustard gas?) at one"
Hussein depopulated over 1,000 Kurd villages, using bulldozers. He dropped Sarin, mustard gas, VX, and other agents on the Kurd villagers, and then machine gunned them when they came running out of the villages. Surviving men were trucked away and never seen again.
"These were weapons that the U.S. sold Iraq so they could use them on Iran."
The US sold no chemical weapons to Iraq.
"The big question was, did the Iraqis actually have a program that was manufacturing these on their own? Evidently, they didn’t."
The biggest pile of nonsense yet. OF COURSE THEY DID. Hussein manufactured VAST quantities of chemical weapons.
"The chemical weapons they found after the invasion that were sold by us"--skyreader
False. ...that Hussein manufactured in his several plants.
There is also plenty of evidence of Hussein's manufacture of biological weapons, uncovered by UNMOVIC.
I agree with Paul in LA. This country has quite literally come undone. People of conscience DO feel defeated because the pace at which these criminals in our government are being held accountable is glacial at best.
How do we keep the faith in a world where NOTHING seems to be on the up and up?
At a bare bones minimum... As a basic starting point.. Ultimately a small 6 by 10 room with bars at one end and very little sunlight is where this ratfuck belongs..........Til the day he dies...JD
"Well, you must have A LOT more faith in the Dems than I do."
And in the legal system, and in the Constitution, and in democracy, and in the collapse of coups...
"What have you seen from them that suggests they have the stones to fight Chimpy & Cheney??? "
You apparently have missed the fact that we narrowly missed indicting Cheney, that we nearly imprisoned Cheney's chief of staff, that Rove is caught up in the caging and vote-fraud scandal (that will lead to indictments), that 20 cronies have been forced to resign, including 7 in the Department of Justice, that large amounts of fraud and conspiracy evidence has been documented.
"I’ve seen a lot of empty words and non-action. I expect more of the same."
Your characterizations are uniformed, and you expect more of the same justifications for your defeatism.
Just how LAZY are you?
Yes, he did use chemical weapons (not mustard gas). But that was well before the first Gulf War. By the time of the run-up to this war his existing chemical weapons had deteriorated to uselessness, and the UN inspectors had verified that he neither had nor was acquiring new WMDs of any kind. Exposing that the nuke thing was a total fabrication was the reason Cheney--with Libby as cat's paw--outed Plame as an undercover CIA agent.
wbm @ 16:
Even if this assertion were right, it wouldn't obviate the value of making Bush go on public record for having done it. But in fact it isn't right. The President cannot override the Congress on impeachment.
Impeaching Cheney at this moment is a bad idea. The predictable cries of Revenge impeachment, Political straw-grasping etc. would have enough resonance to carry the news cycles.
A fresh angle with more media resonance is needed, and MoveOn has it right:
Step One: Subpoena Cheney.
Step Two: Wait for him to tell Congress "Go F**k yourself!"
Step Three: Now impeach.
Sign MoveOn's petition here.
Cheney impeached for ignoring Congress is something anyone can get behind, especially anyone who voted Democratic. Impeaching him for maybe telling his staffer something about some guy who the news says maybe talked to a reporter or something...hey check out the All Stars game!
"I’m voting for Dennis and with my $$$ too. all these others are just playing games. Kucinich is the one that America needs if Gore and Dean are out."
Kucinich talks tough and ACCOMPLISHES very little, Danny.
Always Thinking wrote: "Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee Not Pelosi. She’s made her position clear. Not Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid".
Forget my congressman, too. An otherwise good man, he dishonors both his oath and duty by refusing to grasp the nettle that impeachment entails. A.T. is correct. Flood the Judiciary Committee with e-mails.
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"Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee." -- Always
Chairman Conyers AGREES with Speaker Pelosi.
Presuring the Judiciary Com. to do something that the leadership has put off the table is a waste of energy. The reasons for that decision are fairly clear and the decision will not change until conditions do.
Chairman Conyers has been the primary voice in outing Bushco’s vote-fraud, the lies leading to war, the cconspiracy to defraud the United States, to the point of writing a book with about 25 major impeachable offenses, with evidence, statute violated, and legal appraisal.
• And yet how many have read it?
http://tinyurl.com/2f98w8
As Chairman, he has made a political decision based on his considerable experience. He is totally aware of the issues. He does not see the result of an impeachment effort as being an acceptable risk.
"Yes, he did use chemical weapons (not mustard gas). But that was well before the first Gulf War." -- Scarabus
Of course he used mustard gas. He used Tabun, VX, and every other dirty weapon he could devise. There is solid evidence that he manufactured large amounts of biological weapons as well.
"Forget my congressman, too. An otherwise good man, he dishonors both his oath and duty by refusing to grasp the nettle that impeachment entails".
That would be Dave Thompson (D-Ca.).
"How do we keep the faith in a world where NOTHING seems to be on the up and up? -- w. smith
If you agree with me, you are not at the crisis of faith point. We are making solid progress, but it doesn't get reported, for obvious reasons. And the blogs don't cover most of it.
This is crawling back from a coup. We have made great progress, but the time for impeachment passed back in the 109th Congress. Now, the decision was made to pursue indictments, and that is paying off, in the slow way that legal efforts do.
• Even an impeachment trial in the Senate would take A YEAR.
People apparently imagine that they can click their heels and Bushco will be out of power. No, even in the best case of an impeachment trial, it would take into next year easy.
Impeachment was a good option when we DIDN'T control the Congress. Now that we do, it is better to work on restoring justice and pulling them down (and most of the cronies with them) by indictments and political pressure on their supporters in Congress.
"“Forget my congressman, too. An otherwise good man, he dishonors both his oath and duty by refusing to grasp the nettle that impeachment entails”.
"That would be Dave Thompson (D-Ca.)."
Whom you might want to observe is named MIKE Thompson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Thompson
There is no 'Dave' Thompson serving in the US Congress.
HR 333 for Cheney and then do HR 666 for Bush.
HR 333 actually has support from 14 Democrats. So getting the word will bring in more support.
But it may not work since Cheney has declared he's no longer part of the Executive Branch.
Paul in LA @ 42:
What color is the sky in your world???
All of your almosts, not quites, and near misses don't add up to a thing. They don't mean jack shit. So stop being a moron, and tell me....what exactly have the Dems done to warrant your unwavering devotion???
"HR 333 actually has support from 14 Democrats."
Which isn't enough. And, crucially, that bill -- and any like it -- will not get out of the Judiciary Committee.
The reasons:
• there aren't enough votes in the Senate for conviction.
• the impeachment process would take a long time, probably a year.
• that effort would scuttle the work of the Congress.
• that effort would be a beautiful cause celebre for the R, who would LOVE to play the injured bird fighting for truth and the Amerikan way during wartime.
• that effort gives Bushco the time they need to plot further against us.
Instead, we are gearing up for the Military Appropriations amendment fight. THAT is where all this WASTE of energy poured out on Conyers' head SHOULD be going.
We intend to file amendments to require redeployment by April 08, and that state that the US will not put permanent airbases in Iraq. Both those amendments will need heavy phone lobbying -- so burning up people's desire to do that work sounds more like a strategy for the OTHER SIDE.
The biggest pile of nonsense yet. OF COURSE THEY DID. Hussein manufactured VAST quantities of chemical weapons.
This is so much bullshit. The chemical weapons they found were useless. Why? Because the had outlived their lifespan. In other words, they were bought years before. Any country can manufature chemicals. But Iraq did not have any capacity to threaten the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction, chemical or atomic or biological. You dont' think Sadaam would have used them during the invasion? He was such a nice guy; he had all these weapons but didn't use them on us? How hilarious!
Bottom line: Iraq was not threat to U.S. security but Iraq was a huge profit center for Cheney and his corporate buddies. Now I suppose somebody will say that Cheney hasn't made a cent off this war.
"what exactly have the Dems done to warrant your unwavering devotion???"
I'll just start by pointing out that Pelosi became the first Minority Leader in the history of the United States by leading the SIXTY PERCENT NAY vote on the Iraq Resolution.
And now she is the highest ranking female in our gov't in 220+ years.
It's time for the Friday street protest, so I have to go. I'll come back and field taunts by defeatists, disaffiliated leftists, and other hysterics later.
w.smith @ 40:
But the glaciers are starting to melt quickly, but I get your drift.
"The biggest pile of nonsense yet. OF COURSE THEY DID. Hussein manufactured VAST quantities of chemical weapons."
"This is so much bullshit. The chemical weapons they found were useless."
You are confusing the issue. Hussein did manufacture vast quantities of chemical weapons. They certainly worked.
"Why? Because the had outlived their lifespan. In other words, they were bought years before."
No, they were manufactured some years before.
"Bottom line: Iraq was not threat to U.S. security but Iraq was a huge profit center for Cheney and his corporate buddies."
You need to figure out that you are confusing two timelines. Hussein did manufacture and use a great amount of chemical weapons. He did NOT buy premade chemical weapons from the US.
There is significant evidence that he also manufactured huge quantities of BIOLOGICAL weapons, in the 1990s. UNMOVIC destroyed a gigantic amount of material.
The illegality and immorality of the Bush invasion of Iraq is not the question. Your confusing the guilt of Hussein for the guilt of Bush is.
well, if they do serious investigations, or continue to investigate as they are, they may turn up more hard evidence for impeachable offenses. the only way for impeachment to be truly "off the table" would be for all investigations to cease. by continuing to investigate and hold hearings in the various committees, democrats are in fact facililtating the the growth of sentiment for impeachment. they just need to keep on doing as they are, and in six months to a year, the people will be telling the congress not only to impeach both bush and cheney to punish them for their myriad crimes, but also to completely undo every piece of corrupt and phony legislation passed by the crooked money grubbing republican congress since these scum bags took over. get rid of roberts and alito while your at it. some son of a bitch that steals an election, and that will come out, has no prerogative to appoint people to the high court. rant over.
Paul in LA @ 57:
Maybe you can make some time in that busy schedule to get a life and a clue.
Enjoy your worthless moral victories....guess that's the best you can hope for these days.
OK, did the support HR 333 impeach Cheney thing.. For the all the good it will do... My guess....at this point...not much........JD
We won't impeach both because pelosi would be president and the other self-serving tools are only looking out for themselves. It's in their best interests to keep them in office
Paul in La La Land,
You don't get it. Once we pulled the spigot on Sadaam he wasn't manufacturing. He was a naughty boy so we pulled the plug.
"A 1994 Senate report found that the United States had licensed dozens of companies to export various materials that helped Iraq make mustard gas, VX nerve agent, anthrax and other biological and chemical weapons. The report also said "the same micro-organisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."
In other words, he did not have the capacity for manufacture on his own. We along with other nations supplied him. At the time of invasion, he had no capacity to create even a small threat to anybody much less the U.S. Are you saying that Sadaam was such a nice guy that he was manufacturing these agents and didn't use them on U.S. soldiers? You must be native as hell.
I signed that petition alright...forget polite statements make them worry about their jobs.
Representatives, indeed.
This Greenwald flick says nothing about the traitorous relationship Cheney has with Haliburton, and how Cheney used his office to start a war to give unbidded war contracts to Haliburton.
Paul in LA : Right you are, sir.
MIKE Thompson is my congressman.
DAVE Thompson was a lifelong friend of my uncle. He was a WW2 marine, who fought on Guam and lost his leg within minutes after landing on Iwo. He was thumb-nailed sketched in the book, 'Nightmare On Iwo' by a comrade in arms. He was a remarkably courageous man, who became a labor leader in Hawaii after the war, and served as such until his death.
...the decision was made to pursue indictments, and that is paying off, in the slow way that legal efforts do. - Paul in LA
Well.. OK. I'll keep the lantern lit then.
bartman @ 9:
Maybe in your house, but it's unanimous in mine. And everyone I know. That's 100% against.
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I signed the petition. I'll sign anything to bring closure to this despicable cabal. Check it out and do the right thing.
You Yanks don't have the balls to impeach diddly.
Had you taken your heads out of your asses at least once over the last 7 years,
you would have smelled the stench that was going on and done something sooner.
Cheney, with his fingers firmly up his puppets ass, has wiped out a century of good will.
Good luck beating the hell out of Iran, ...seems to be working well in Iraq.
I just signed that petition for Impeachment. I could not believe my eyes when I saw that there was a bill for Impeachment proceedings against Dickless Cheney.
Arrest, Indict, Impeach!!
I have read all comments here and can well understand the defeatism that some are profoundly feeling. But the so called "empty words" are waking people up, rallying people, shaking them from their profound stupor. And when that happens, one of two things will happen. Either We the People will start putting extreme pressure one the Congress critters, or if the Congress critters won't do their job, then it is clearly spelled out in the Constitution that We the People have the right and duty to abolish a "government" that has become despotic.
The waking up of the American people is why the Bu$h cabal is just dying to shut down the Internet(the very last place of any type of freedom). I for one, will continue to post "empty words" until the Internet is shut down.
I am blogger hear me roar!!
"Enjoy your worthless moral victories….guess that’s the best you can hope for these days." -- Truth h*rts
And I always love that, the disaffiliated leftist's hatred of protesters.
I heard Ward Churchill spreading that jive the other night on the radio. All about how protesting -- SOCIAL ACTIVISM -- is a con, and how if you are allowed by the state to do something, then clearly that's a meaningless act.
This point of view is toxic, ignorant, false, and ahistoric. I do remember when leftists worked for legal elections and representation -- not any more, they've joined with a lazy hatred of humanity, and a despising of democracy.
A single person can change the entire world.
Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, both have proven that. Gore is proving that right now, tonight. But the disaffiliated fearmongering left, who condescend to activists, claim to the be the ones who see the truth.
"You don’t get it. Once we pulled the spigot on Sadaam he wasn’t manufacturing. He was a naughty boy so we pulled the plug."
That is quite clear. Why, however, were you arguing that Hussein didn't manufacture his chem and bio weapons?
“A 1994 Senate report found that the United States had licensed dozens of companies to export various materials that helped Iraq make mustard gas, VX nerve agent, anthrax and other biological and chemical weapons. The report also said “the same micro-organisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program.”
"In other words, he did not have the capacity for manufacture on his own."
You are drawing a false conclusion.
The US Senate ONLY reports on US support of Hussein, and does not report on the assistance other countries gave to Hussein, such as Germany, and Pakistan. He had the capability to manufacture chemical and nerve agents, and he used his own homebrewed stuff to kill a LOT of Kurds and Iranians.
"We along with other nations supplied him. At the time of invasion, he had no capacity to create even a small threat to anybody much less the U.S."
A result of extensive invasive inspections by the UN, and some US air attacks, most notably Desert Fox, during which Pres. Clinton destroyed Hussein's Al-Qaqaa high-explosives factory, the same installation where Boy Wonder's failure to order guarding -- even after being warned by the IAEA chief -- released at least 400 tons of high-explosives to any hostile who wanted it and had a functioning vehicle.
"Are you saying that Sadaam was such a nice guy that he was manufacturing these agents and didn’t use them on U.S. soldiers? You must be native as hell."
Quite the contrary. You are making two false claims, one that the US sold Hussein chemical weapons -- we did not -- and the second that he did not manufacture weapons, when he CLEARLY did. LOTS of them.
Bush's illegal and immoral invasion is genocide. It is not an intervention to stop the spread of terrorism -- it IS terrorism. I'm sure we agree on that -- I'm just not willing to read your false assertions without correcting them for others.
"You Yanks don’t have the balls to impeach diddly." -- canuck
Most of us aren't from Connecticut anyhow, Duddley.
Nicole,
I think the numbers would change if the question is re-phrased as, "Do you think congress should begin an investigation which may lead to impeachment proceeding against the VP if sufficient evidence is found?"
The question, as posted on the survey site, makes it look like a direct move to impeach and he's out. I don't think people were considering the actual process that needs to take place first.
Also, now that a few days have passed the numbers would be different because of what has been in the media since.
At least the numbers are more promising than I could have predicted 6 mos ago!
The broadcast media has blacked-out the impeachment story. None of the political pundits ever mention impeachment. This would be a very controversial story if it became daily news. Is this a coincidence or a conspiracy by the CEO's that control ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and FOX?
"You can sign the petition to ask Congress to consider HR 333 here."
Signed, sealed and delivered. Now will SOMEBODY in this damn thing we call government, actually LISTEN to the voters and do something??? Anyone??? Hello??? All I'm hearing is crickets in response to that question..........
[...] Crooks and Liars led me to a poll purporting to demonstrate most Americans favor Cheney’s impeachment. [...]
“My first reaction was “Why so low?”
because as soon as the Dems were elected into office, and had their meet-and-greet with Isreal, Pelosi started spewing "impeachment is off the table, its not worth it, we have more important things to do" In other words, she sold out.
So, bush and cheney have been given permission (not that they asked for it) by pelosi and company to do whatever they want with the remainder of their time, like commute the sentence of a convict.
Watch for more madness, and watch for more non-action by the dems. except maybe more hot air and more caving in.
I will never vote for anyone who doesnt support impeachment.
I will never vote for anyone who accepts money from AIPAC.
I will vote for Kucinich/Paul.
You will waste your vote, KF.
"because as soon as the Dems were elected into office, and had their meet-and-greet with Isreal, Pelosi started spewing “impeachment is off the table, its not worth it, we have more important things to do” In other words, she sold out."
Speaker Pelosi is one of the best Speakers of the House in the last century. The decision not to try impeachment has several very valid reasons, and Chairman Conyers AGREES.
You say she 'sold out.' Where is your evidence? She is independently wealthy, as a result of her husband's success in real estate. There is no evidence that Pelosi has been corrupted, or has conspired with Bushco (she got her minority leader job in the first place through pulling together our SIXTY percent NAY vote on the Iraq Resolution).
You're just spewing slander.
Thank you, Crooks and Liars (and especially to you Nicole) for keeping your word about this posting! (...not to mention the Dennis Kucinich plug! Thanks!)
Impeach Cheney
Back in January I said we needed to impeach Cheney first.
Now Glenn Greenwald and BraveNewFilms.org agree. It’s time to impeach Cheney, and then Bush.
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