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A smart ass is ALWAYS better than a dumb elephant!
Nice
Now everyone but the Dem congresscritters see that they have no spine. Maybe the Dems have blinders too.
And I say that as someone who desperately wants the Dems to prove me wrong, so I can be proud of them.
If the Dems were much more combative about Iraq, about Bush and Cheney--the list goes on and on-- they wouldn't be seen as the "weaker" of the two parties on defense and other issues.
Show some balls already. (No offense to the ladies.)
Or maybe the guys should show some ovaries ;)
Funny depictions provide
Understanding from right-wing,
Conservative lies, which our
Keen eyes must learn to discern.
Never shall
I give in to these
Grotesque repuglican monsters who single-handedly
Gain the upper-hand whenever
Evil is allowed to
Remain unquestioned and unchallenged in the precarious
Situations we face today
IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY NOW!
May not be the best forum..... but why did C&L not run anything on the republicans filibustering the Webb amendment for adequate time off between deployments. If you are picking your battles, it seems like this would be one to pick. The democrats are scaring me into thinking this is a rigged game, and they want to appease us by saying pullout, but have no intention of doing so. This is the sort of vote that says it so clearly and plainly, WE NEED TO SHOVE THIS IN PEOPLES FACES!! There is No excuse for this vote turning out the way it did, and not having propler media coverage!!!!!
WASHINGTON - Al-Qaida is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States and has acquired most of the capabilities it needs to strike here, according to a new U.S. intelligence assessment, The Associated Press has learned.
Good, I'm so sick of Bush and Cheneys bullsh*t I'm ready to fight them here instead of over there.
Bring it on.
This is a perfect picture. Notice how the first Dem with the hanger doesn't even seem to know what he is looking at?
WEEKLY “END THE WAR DEMONSTRATION”
By the way a group of us meet every Thursday 4:30 to 6PM
on the corner of Middleneck Road and
Northern B'lvd in Great Neck Long Island NY
We demonstrate against this war,
Bring American Flags and or "Bring Home the Troops" signs
or sign Honk to End the war
Or What ever suits your fancy
Well, that pretty much told me all I need to know about C&L. With 19 or so cartoons to choose from, the only one which is anti-Democrat is the only one displayed on the C&L web site. Tell me you're not actually hoping for a GOP successor to President Bush just so you can keep the outrage on your site going.
Bob Roberts @ 13:
Why are you here dude? if you are going to imply something, do it intelligently, make a point, Tell me you are not dud dudud udu duud duudud fuuuu. Shut up.
Bob Roberts @ 13:
Slow day
Bob Roberts @ 13:
We're just a handful of hardy individuals and outcasts sitting in our dens, nursing a cup of coffee, and, like Howard Beale, railing at the "hypocrisies of our time."
matt greer @ 14:
Did make a point. Guess it was too subtle for you. After all, your idea of debate is substantially less eloquent than Mr. Vucovich's. Check him out several posts down.
Besides Bush and Republican bashing is a New National Sport.
That's four comments about # 13, but none yet about # 8? So, FUCK [Deleted] is acceptable? Please let me know, because if that is the case, this [Deleted] will not return.
[What the hell are you talking about? Are you insane? Sitemonitor]
Bob Roberts @ 13:
Take a good look at that cartoon again, before you "assume" it's anti-Democrat. It's actually anti-both parties. I'd say that makes C&L an "Equal Opportunity Offender".
Abe @ 8:
I sent out 5 letters today with this as the main subject.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
#1 You imply the cartoon shown on the site is only anti-democratic, it involves, and is critical of both parties, so it seems not anti democratic, but anti 2 party system
#2 You paint it like there is not a link to the other 18 cartoons (or so) "the only one which is anti democrat is the only one displayed on the C&l website" yes, that and the link to the rest.
#3 You imply this community of dissenting patriots has no other agenda than the continued destruction of our country by people we are unable to hold accountable, so that we can keep being disgusted.
# You confirm your ignorance by stating that your whole judgement of a site with 10 plus blogs a day, is based on one of those blogs having to do with cartoons, on saturday morning.
Sir, your post had no substance, no debatable points, no helpful criticism, it is merely an indication you have nothing constructive to say about any real issues. So, yeah , my comment was stupid too, oh well.
Why does C&L seem to ignore Mike Gravel?
There's a candidate with spine and some balls to go along.
He may hold 1% of the current polling, but reaction to his message is quite positive.
What's wrong with the cartoon is that depicts the Democrats of being without spine. I think they've shown alot of spine when it comes to facing down the American People. Taking impeachment off the table takes political spine. It's not cowardice, it's complicity.
Pelosi's staff shows spine every week when they direct me to her voicemail.
matt greer @ 21:
#1 The only cartoon chosen to be displayed is also the only one of 19 which is anti-Democrat. I did not imply it was not also anti-Republican. That's entirely your own invention.
#2 There is obviously a link. We can all see it. You think I should have pointed it out again? Someone had to go through all 19 and pick the one to show on the C&L site. It's not as though the first cartoon in the link was chosen, just the only one which had an anti-Democrat message.
#3 I'd be pleased to have reassurance that C&L is not pandering to posters who hate the Democrats as much or more than the Republicans. Notice how many "diggs" the thread on Russ Finegold got. Compare that with the number on threads which are critical of Democrats. BTW "community of dissenting patriots" is taking yourself a little bit too seriously, don't you think?
I've "confirmed my ignorance" have I? These are posts on a website, not places to type lengthy dissertations. Points generally have to be made succinctly. (Something we've both just failed to do). Nice to know you think, based on a single line in a single post, that I have nothing constructive to add. You, sir, are misplaced in a democracy.
The cartoons are a prize winning lot this week. I like the one where Chertoff is putting a little boy to bed and says something like, "There's a big scary monster under the bed, but don't worry and get a good night's sleep".
My point, cause it looks like Matt missed it, is that you should all be aware of media bias. Many posters complain about the MSM and the ways in which it biases its message. Liberal media is also not without bias.
hey, dude, I admitted my response to your first post was stupid, out of frustration and anger. I never said I was a dissenter or a patriot, we can go in this circle all day, I made a stupid reply to a stupid post. Can anyone help me out here? lets take a vote. Since we have a bunch of closet republican supporters here it should be fair. Who made the better argument? what is the argument? why do we keep doing this and skirting the issues??
All fine and good - but given the vote for Lieberman's resolution to declare Iran an Enemy and consequently give power to the Bush administration to o ahead and attack... the vote (97 to Fucking ZEROOOO) tells me that a lot of spines have yet to picked up and a good many blinders are still on --- and perhaps being handed out to Democrats as well.
w told me I have war fatigue and and it is effecting my psychology, so I have decided to take August off like the Iraqi government.
Its too hot and is hard work.
Geez.
Bob Roberts @ 27:
No shite, bias is an integral part of politics. I do not support one party over the other. YOUR POST WAS WITHOUT MERITS!!!!! sorry dude, I will meet you half-way all-day but your post was pointless.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
One can make stuff up all day long and then tack on that "The Associated Press has learned", or "Senior intelligence officials tell the AP...." or "Pentagon sources blah blah blah". The AP is a shill organization. They are more pro government than the ABC and their fact-checking track record is awful. Reuters is much more reliable and objective.
matt greer @ 31:
No shite, bias is an integral part of politics. I do not support one party over the other. YOUR POST WAS WITHOUT MERITS!!!!! sorry dude, I will meet you half-way all-day but your post was pointless.
You're entitled to your opinion. It's wrong. But you're still entitled to it.
They are all pretty good. I suppose republican bible thumping serfs say it is the liberal media's fault that there is only one that picks on the dems. Could it be that we have so much republican trash out there and the only real headline about dems is that they are avoiding the job they were given in the last election? Come on dems, make these fools happy. Lets have some sex scandals and perversions like the republicans provide hourly.
I absolutely love it when they draw bush real little... see Anderson's... with the big cowboy boots on... like he is a kid playing at dressup.
Democrats sit around and joke about other Democrats needing spine. But when it comes to getting serious and actually addressing our greatest weakness- being a party that has had virtually no credibility on defense/national security for the last 40 years- we do nothing about it.
Right now, we have three frontrunners- Hillary, Salon John, and Obama- none of whom can make any credible claim whatsoever to being an authoritative national security candidate. Not even close.
Until Democrats show that they have the spine to rally behind a true map changing candidate like Wes Clark (come on guys, you supported candidates like Webb and Tester for lower offices, you can do it for the Presidency too) then we will continue to get our asses handed to us when it comes to national security.
The Iraq debacle is the greatest strategic failure in American history. Yet, Democrats still are ineffectual in altering its course. Democrats, get some self-respect and get serious. For the sake of this nation, pull it together.
Since Vietnam, Democrats have rolled over and handed the national security debate in this country to Republicans. And in 2008, we are on a course to do it again. Unless we have the spine to finally support someone who can correct our greatest weakness as a party, then Republicans will continue to dominate America's national security discourse. And we will continue to drift farther from a Progressive vision of America's place in the world. Someone like Wes Clark can give Democrats the national security voice that we have lacked as a party for four decades now. And damn, we need one. Badly.
We've lost 7 out of the last 10 elections. Are you happy with that? I'm not.
Remember, you can be a humanist and still be strong.
Right back at you, you fellow american you.
Well, that tells me everything I need to know about the Birmingham zoo. With 19 or so animals to choose from the poster on the front gate entrance has a picture of a Human enjoying the displays on it. You are not actually hoping to one day cage men for your displays, just so you can keep getting people to come to the zoo.
I feel bad enough being part of this ridiculous conversation. Next time we argue, maybe it can be about something
Good one;worth a smile or two.
Agreed.
Did any of you see what Hillary Clinton and John Edwards said recently said at a debate (Thursday I believe). They said they wanted to exclude other candidates. I emailed this information to Crooks&Liars but it appears to me that they did not post it. I posted it to my blog http://www.primarysourcenews.com check for the second post from the top. It doesn't seem like all of the Democrats want a democratic debate. Not that anybody here necessarily believes this, but not everything democratic is golden. And Republicans aren't the only crooks and liars in our world.
I meant not that anybody here necessarily disagrees with this
matt greer @ 37:
I was so not going to respond, but turns out I can't help it one last time.
Your analogy is flawed. Follow me here ... there are 19 cartoons. Only one puts the Democrats in a negative light (and is therefore politically different from all of the others). Only one of the cartoons will be displayed on the C&L website. Whichever cartoon is displayed, will be the one that most C&Lers' see. (You have to click the link to see any of the others). Whoever designed this thread on C&L intentionally chose the only cartoon which makes fun of the Democrats as the one to highlight.
I'm really not sure I should bother...but your analogy uses "humans" who are not one of the subgroups of "animals" in the zoo. A better analogy would be - we have 19 attack ads we can run. 18 are anti-Republican, one is anti-Democrat. Let's run the anti-Democrat ad in the most favourable time slot so that the most people can see it. We'll just tell them about the existence of the other 18.
They need to impeach both those two motherfuckers in the Whitehouse and demonstrate that they represent WE THE PEOPLE and not some fucking oil corporation or military contractor. I don't know what they are waiting for. What more can these crooks do, wipe their asses on the constitution on the floor of the Senate on the 4th of July?
Jeez, a plague on both their houses!!!
Its a shame we cannot have another election THIS November. Since events occure faster than our election cycle, the people's will is not updated and represented in a timely manor.
We are unable to effect Democratic change as our fore father's intended.
Yassin at 40 & 41, if you want an eyeful, go over to AmericaBlog and look up the post "Thank God, Mike Gravel is Safe". Then read the thread. John Aravosis, who sort of took HRC's and Edwards's position, got an earful from over 350 readers, the overwhelming majority of whom took the side of the second tier candidates.
Bob an attachment suggests to computer users to go there.
I am just a square country boy at heart so could you get to the point and quit trying to be so subtle. What point are you trying to make?
The first thing I did when I checked out the post was to go there and read them all.
matt greer @ 14:
knew this bastard was a trll!
sorry troll
Better stay out of this tyree. Matt and I are arguing way over you head....
so are you giveing matt head yet?
See... Your only response is homophobic. Way to raise the level of debate!
now youve hurt my feelings!
carry on bobby boy , have a ball!your boreing as hell anyway! by
fair and balanced
What I really don't get is how BOTH major political parties can be so fucking OBLIVIOUS to the will of the American people. We want the hell out of Iraq. We want to get back to being a country of laws and stop being a country of men and their cronies!
What miss_kitty said.
Bob Roberts wrote:
This, I agree with. I haven't noticed it on C&L. But faced with enough $$, anyone is subject to sell-out. With C&L, we think we have a media source who we can trust. We think we have a viable alternative to Faux News and the MSM. But I think that we always have to be vigilant and we always have to examine what motives might be behind our media. If this administration has taught us nothing else, we ought to have learned to look carefully at the sources who bring us information. Having said that, so far, I think C&L has done a pretty good job. One thing that makes blogs different than MSM, is that bloggers are likely to have a more direct link to their audience. I mean, if C&L was screwing up, they'd hear it in the comments.
We shouldn't be stifling Bob for his comments, IMO. He may or may not be off the mark, but I personally don't want to be part of an echo chamber. Stifling dissent or alternative observation would make us just as gullible as the wingnuts.
Thank you.
What a bunch of bullshit. Democrats don't have a spine, never did, never will. They are just as fucking inept and ignorant as any asshole Republican and just as money grubbing. In fact they're worse. No solutions, no cohesive platform and the leadership Reid & Pelosi are two fucking jack-offs. Now candidates are playing the God card. Just listen to them as they try to grab the middle. This shit pisses me off.
3,609 dead kids and the spine seeking Democrats hand Bush all the money he needs to kill another 1,500 kds before November '08 without so much as a whimper. Murtha was invisible and Rangle asleep at the wheel.
We elected them into power in '06 and all they do is kiss Bush's ass.
If these jackasses had a spine they would have stopped this shit two years ago. I am so sick of these beltway buttholes both Donkey and Elephant I can scream.
That is a pretty dead-on cartoon.
Dems Pick'em up :
http://bumpernuts.com/
By making the only anti-Democrat ad (of the 19 available) the one that graces the top of this thread, C&L encourages the usual suspects to attack the Democrats, instead of going after the latest GOP foolishness mocked in the other cartoons.
62 - Adjunct :
Now if you don't want to hang these on your truck, then they do make a great paperweight.
I tell people to rub the balls for courage when they go to court. I call them power balls.
Pretty sick, eh? Some folks buy the brass balls for the boss. Great Gift for any CEO.
Hey bob, start your own blog and do it your way, ok?
me-oww!
No.
Bob Roberts @ 63:
I think most of us can chew gum and
masturbatewalk at the same time . . .Bob Roberts @ 28:
The only thing the cartoon shows me about C&L is that Liberal media can criticize liberal politicians and party when they deserve it, unlike Conservative media, that are typically either cheerleaders or mouthpieces for conservative politicians and party.
Motorhead Vette '67 @ 60:
I agree 1000%!! We are WAY past partisan politics now. These blowhards have all proven over and over they are made of the same material. Corruption. Oh once every election cycle they bullshit people into voting for them, but once elected, WHAMMO. Same crap. Anyone that sides with either of these political parties and their leaders after the last few years, has a serious mental illness.
My favorite: The one with creepy ghoul Chertoff rolling on the floor, warning about his "gut feelings," while Bush jumps on his stomach screaming "War! War! War!"
As for the cartoon this site chose…
Do you guys really believe the Democrats' problem is a lack of spine? Do you really think that, while cunning and ruthless enough to get into public office, they are truly so clueless and weak they can't fight back against the Republicans' blundering criminality? Does that seem likely?
Or is it maybe they don't want to fight the same fights as we do? That maybe the Democrats don't really represent progressives, the left, or--indeed--the majority of the populace? Could it be our rage against the right is not even remotely felt by Democratic leadership?
They have plenty of spine when it comes to attacking us and each other, after all. Perhaps they don't make much fuss with Republicans, because, indeed, a strong opposition might result in a situation these elites don't want. Popular unrest or, worse, success in curtailing their destructive programs.
They won't impeach Bush because they don't want to. And if those with the cash want war in Iran, you can damn soon bet the opposition of Democratic representatives will be as loud and formidable as a solitary snowflake.
Strangefate @ 71:
Exactly. Like I said, this isn't partisan politics. A rich Dem is the same as a rich ReTHUGlican.
NChomsky Says:
I still think that the dems have an edge in at least the appearance of working for the american people. But in general, I agree with what you're saying. I just sat down and had a heart to heart chat with a couple of salt-of-the-earth type of republicans the other day. We aren't very apart at all on some important issues - campaign finance reform, getting money out of government and a few other things.
Big money is dividing this country and the politicians aren't exactly keen to get them out of it. In fact, the politicians depend on big money in order to formulate viable campaigns. Even politicians who start out by trying to stay away from big money find that in order to really compete, they have to sell their souls.
If big money got out of politics and stopped the systematic dividing of the american people over dumbass non-issues like gay marriage and abortion, it would be the demise of big money.
Hype-Jersey @ 73:
I agree, but it's a catch 22. The entire nation is built on the enrichment of big money corporations. Without the budgeted military spending annually, the entire economy would probably collapse. Too many fingers in the taxpayer's wallets, and no quick and easy way to take them out empty handed.
Interpreter of Maladies @ 68:
acha huh cha ching
About that video...
I don't know on that one.
Anyone really think that bush has a vocabulary that advanced?
Me either.
Backbones ?--NONE !--97 to 0 Senators voted to punish Iran and door opening to bomb. Not last year but this week.
A caption below the cartoon should have read--The Butchers that removed the Spines were AIPAC .
Spines Blinders--Get real-both parties have the same problem.
41 Yassin Says:
What we see is that the Progressive movement is nothing more that a recruitment plan for Globalism. It amounts to being communism. The video you mentioned was never posted on this site or any of the others. Have a look at Common Dreams and you will see that the link to their discussion is broken. The republicans extreme group known as the neo-cons amounts to being fascists who intend to dominate through force. The democrats have the progressives who use the weapon of taxation and global government and they appear to be the communistic leaning party. The best position to take is to defend the only sane thing remaining...
THE CONSTITUTION
69 NChomsky Says:
The politicians are essentially lawyers who have their own language and work for the same plutocratic interests who actually run the world. When we see the politicians at work we are watching "thespians" who through taxation are taking 50% of our property. In the face of the Constitution they use double speak and any decision made was ultimately made in advance. Years ago Abe Lincoln screwed up and gave corporations the same rights as individuals. As a result corporations "put" their corporate attorneys into governmental rolls. Even Honest Abe was a corporate attorney who was "put" in office in order to advance the cause of the railroads that he worked for. Hence "eminent domain" and scores of other bastardizations of the Nation's Constitution.
Interpreter of Maladies @ 68:
Good response. (Compare to matt greer's or tyree's). However, I'm not sure that liberal media can afford to criticize liberal politicians and party. So much of the MSM is pro-Republican right now.
great!
Are they both getting into the "Brains/Common Sense/Compassion and Honesty" line after that???
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