Bush resists healthcare for more U.S. children
By Steve Benen Sunday Jul 15, 2007 8:50pmChristopher Lee noted over the weekend, “If anything looked like a sure thing in the new Congress, it was that lawmakers would renew, and probably expand, the popular, decade-old State Children’s Health Insurance Program before it expires this year.” It’s a no-brainer, right? Who’s going to balk at an established, successful program that offers health insurance for kids? As it turns out, the president is.
Is it because he doesn’t think the program works? No, Bush acknowledges that S-CHIP works well. Is it because it’s fiscally irresponsible? No, it’s fairly inexpensive.
Bush’s opposition is entirely, by his own admission, ideological. Here’s what he told a friendly audience in Cleveland last week:
“[S-CHIP is] now aiming at encouraging more people to get on government health care. That’s what that is. It’s a way to encourage people to transfer from the private sector to government health care plans…. I strongly object to the government providing incentives for people to leave private medicine, private health care to the public sector. […]
“I mean, think of it this way: They’re going to increase the number of folks eligible through S-CHIP; some want to lower the age for Medicare. And then all of a sudden, you begin to see a — I wouldn’t call it a plot, just a strategy — (laughter) — to get more people to be a part of a federalization of health care.”
It doesn’t matter if it works, or if it’s affordable, or whether it’ll help children receive quality care — what matters is Bush’s ideology tells him it’s offensive. If that means less insurance for kids, so be it.
Lawmakers are moving towards passing a bi-partisan measure to extend coverage for about 4 million U.S. children, and late last week, the White House made it crystal clear: Bush will veto the bill because it conflicts with the president’s philosophy.
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frack!
Bush: "Pro-child. Pro-family." Good, let him veto it and tie it around the necks of the GOP.
Need that cash for the second "surge"
I think us lefties should just sit back and let bush and his rethug's destroy this country.
Well finally children being treated like the rest of us-none of this-"It's for the kids" bullshit. When do we send them into the fields to replace those illegal guys, picking all of our fruit and veg.
And hey the bigger kids could run power tools and replace immigrants in landscaping jobs. And messy kids could be threatened with a life in house cleaning
It's win-win-win for Everyone-especially rich people (again).
OMG, what a bastard!
The Christian right wingnuts, are hellbent on destroying this country anyway they can, because their "god" says its the right thing to do. More war, and less taking care of our own. Their motto is, preach on sunday, kill on monday.
Time to take back control of our government by force if necessary
As long as the kids are healthy enough to work at McDonalds and sign up to be cannon fodder for the rich, that's all that matters.
If it wasn't for desperately poor families struggling to survive then where would the cheap labor come from?
Can't have the help getting too uppity when the toilets need scrubbing.
Hmmm....Bush and children?
He isn't so good with them, read this:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22927
What a dickhead.
I strongly object to the government providing incentives for people to leave private medicine, private health care to the public sector.
Unless their going over to Iraq to fight for me and my buddies in Big Oil. Then thats different.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22927
Bush made a little girl cry. I am not surprised at all...
What's so frickin' funny about the word "strategy"? I've heard it used many times in reference to bush's maneuvers on the Iraq War. There's nothing funny about it. Gawd, I hate those bushies who enable this freak by propping up his imperialistic ego.
I can just see him smirking. Dead kids. Kids who fail to get preventive health care and end up with lifelong problems. You knew it would come to this.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22927
Bush set a girl to tears...
Yeah, what's the big deal? They can just sign up and go to Iraq if they want Socialized health care.
How f*cking ELITIST!!!
There he goes again saying 'Screw you 'mericans! I know how best your tax dollars should be spent and I say it goes for blowing up innocent Iraqis and soon to come Iranians. And putting our military in harms way for no good damn reason except for control of the Middle East for my friends at taxpayer's expense. heh heh.'
Now now, you know that it's only worthy of protection and care until it's born. After that it's just another source of inexpensive meat.
Ruthless People @ 2:
Totally agree. This really should be a gift to everyone opposed to the GOP. 'Course the MSM will limit the extent of the gift. Nevertheless, if Bush does veto this, it should be a talking point for every liberal politician and pundit (both of them) out there.
If Repugs want to have any hope of getting re-elected, they'll have to start doing things like 'being part of an over-ride of the motherfucker's veto.'
Oh get with the program, you guys! This is Republican America! In Republican America, socialism is only for the rich! According to conservative philosophy, this is an incentive for the poor (especially poor children) to get off their lazy asses and become millionairs.
I said this in another thread, but I'll say it again:
Without 9/11,
Wthout Agfhanistan,
Without Iraq,
Without Katrina,
This administration would still be pathetic.
I’m only getting this now.
Sorry I took so long.
Thank you for letting me repeat myself (I won't make a habit of this).
None of Bush's buddies children need this insurance. Therefore, the needy children don't count for anything. Our children are the hope of the future. So much for hope and for future !
Pericles @ 17:
Boing!
What a complete and total asswipe of a human being.I thought I despised him with every fiber of being before I read this...I just found a few more fibers to hate him with.
The next time the Libertarians come in here recruitin' fer Ron Paul, here's what they're gettin' back in their faces! I don't think there's a GOP candidate- certainly not Paul- who wouldn't take the same position that Stupor Mundi is on this issue.
Well, at least one conservative is being honest about why he's opposed to free health care. Not because he really think it's worse, but because he thinks it's morally wrong from the get go, real-world consequences be damned.
Pericles @ 17:
You are absolutely right. These poor children need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps! Except for the ones who have no bootstraps, then they have to buy a pair first!
The President's reasoning is flawed. He doesn't object to the assistance; he objectives to the US government paying for things that he hasn't addressed.
MargeAggedon @ 14:
With all the pedophiles in the republican party, they are more tha a source for meat.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
Bush is in the last months of the last term of what most historians will surely regard as one of the worst presidencies ever. I guess he figures he might as well go for broke.
Bush and Cheney get government-run health care. So do our veterans. If it's good enough for them...
r€nato @ 29:
Ya left out Congress. :)
Wow. That's compassionate conservatism for you? Voting in favor of cancer over the health of children. What a guy... Gotta love the "Love the fetus; hate the child" mentality of this brave man. Who else would have the guts to veto this bill plunging more children into poverty?
One would think that he would at least like to keep the children healthy enough to join the army to be killed overseas. But no, why wait? Let's kill them now. Get it over with.
What a tool. Worst President Ever. Just more to despise each and every day.
So in addition to 'putting food on your families' they can also struggle to put healthcare on them too.
bush sucks the big one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if this is what it takes to get this guy impeached then we have to ride this horse into the ground. put it out in every media form possible. spell it out in the simplest terms possible. let it be so simple and short that even middle america will understand the havoc this guy is wreaking on america. he needs to go. i'm only sorry the impeachment ball is only launching now. it takes a whole lot of time to see results, unless like nixon, he sees the writing on the wall and resigns before impeachment. even so, and don't tell him, but after the resignation the hounds still have to keep after him for a trial and incarceration. that part is a little far fetched because i don't see this delusional sorry excuse for a man ever resigning. after all, he is custer incarnate, he is king george, he is the decider. he is the pompous ass.
Impeach that moron!!!!!!
president asshole.
Laugh it up, neocon moron Bush-enabling audience members; laugh it the hell up. Your God is waiting for you and my-oh-my has he got a surprise for YOU.
Joementum @ 28:
when you say one of the worst presidencies ever, i'm over 60 and it's just hard for me to imagine a worse president. there have been some dumber, yes even than bush, but none more arrogant and devious as the current pompous ass who sits on the wh throne.
Who cares if millions of little kids don't get health care. It's not as though they earned it. Right?????? No free rides on Bush; got it? Those children ought to take better care of themselves. They should be ashamed. Decent hard-working millionaire Republicans haven't enough to share.
Edwin @ 39:
I'll bet those children are islamo-fascist-jihadists trying to drain America's coffers. Nothing more. Now move along. Nothing to see here.
Bush is full of sh... Oh well, just call it constipation conservatism.
The thing is, SCHIP is being expanded to cover UNINSURED children. And the version going through the Senate right now won't even catch the majority of them. There are 9 million uninsured kids in the U.S. and this will only cover about 3 million of them. This issue of crowd-out (that families would opt out of private insurance in favor of SCHIP) is a lie. It's right-wing propaganda to make it look like the poor, victimized insurance industry will fall apart. They don't explain that if you're uninsured, you don't have any insurance to opt out of.
The thing is, there is a good chance he'll lose this veto fight. There may be enough bipartisan support to override him. But if Republicans kill this, the Dems should hammer it in the news every day until November 2008.
That's actualy the most intelligent & cohernet thing I've ever heard that man say. Most people posting comments here sound absolutely crazy (mentionings of pedophilia, dead babies, babies on spikes, etc).
Remember you can't win the private medicine vs socialised medicine argument by shouting "won't please someone think of the children!"
I'm typing this while sitting in a country with socialised healthcare, and believe me, the powers that be and the supporters of the system turn a HUGE blind eye to the failings of the system because of their faith in the socialist ideology. And the same thing happens in the US. You've got to realise that locals are laughing when you point to how wonderful the French, Canadian, New Zealand, etc health care systems are. These systems are massively broken, just like America's, only for different reasons.
Look, it's reasonable to assert that Bush is an asshole that doesn't care about other people dying. But to equate anti-socialism with baby killing is rather asinine, makes the label 'loony left' seem appropriate and hopelessly binds you to an ideology that will lead you down the same road of heartless single-mindedness.
I would agree to allow the fuck to run America into the ground....
and the world too, but, Gosh darn it, It's MY World Too...
I like people enough that I refrain from hurting or even hunting them.
Most of the people in the world, I don't even have to FORCE myself to like them enough to refrain from ... well, you know...
And then, there's Bush.....
I just saw "sicko" a couple of hous ago I cried through most of it. Men aren't supposed to cry but I did.
Do you think this will change the thinking of those 30%-35% lunatics who still like this amazingly souless and evil charade of a human being? FUCK NO! That would suggest that they're capable of critical thought and all evidence shows that they're not. Evey week this scumbag hits a new low, I watch in morbid curiosity only.
"I'm tha decider!!!! You all ain't the goddurn deciders!!!! I'm in charge here!!! Let them kids eat cakes!!! Dirt cakes!!!" - Preznit Bushista
Not an American? must be why you can't hardly write English good like we do...
I know a few Canadians, including a couple of doctors. Rather than the term "loony left" perhaps you could recognize a little humanity in, well, humans. I try, why can't you? Also my friends in the UK, Australia and New Zealand, I wouldn't know if they're Government Paid Propagandists or not, guess I'm just supposed to take your word for it, right?
Look, Ed, do you know what Socialism, Communism and Fascism mean, and they all mean the same thing?
United We Stand. Since you say you're not an American I guess that won't affect you at all.
Study up on it. It sure as Hell pisses off the Righty Loonies here, though.
I’m typing this while sitting in a country with socialised healthcare, and believe me, the powers that be and the supporters of the system turn a HUGE blind eye to the failings of the system because of their faith in the socialist ideology.
The UK has a socialist ideology? OK, whatever... :P
The Republicans And The Media Take Nonsupport For Universal Health Care To Another Level
You would think there is only two ways to look at the support for universal health care: yea or nae. As with anything the Republicans do, they have created a new way for looking at universal health care and that is universal health care will lead to terrorist attacks. I guess we could put president Bush into same category as his Republican allies. Hell, we can call him the leader.
I wondered why was the media so verbatim in their coverage of the suspected U.K. bombers. They focused on the Doctors with a unchecked bias you would only see on Fox news. There was no representation for the doctor's side to counter the claims lashed out against them, and when I read the right was connecting universal health care to terrorism, I understood why this was so important to right-winged media.
I thought the U.K. bombing were suspect and unbelievable. Absolutely none of the facts associated with the bombing made any sense at all, and nether does this connection. However, what is coming increasingly concerning is the way in which the events are timed with the claims made from them.
The U.K. bombings was a weak plot, or at least the way it was reported. The details were, and still is on shaky ground. When I see claims like the plots being connected to health care, I suspect criminal intent. Now, claims the loony left thought 9/11 was an inside job don't seem so loony after all.
If this president will go to this far to discourage universal health care, he's just getting started with what he will not do for our nation's youngest. Now can we impeach this president?
Joseph
Hey everyone will get a kick out of this...
Bush and children? Ya, they don't mix very well...
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22927
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22927
Bush and children don't mix that well...
Bush has it from very reliable sources that those 4 million kids are punk lazy asses and don't deserve medical care.
Why when he was their age he worked hard every day in Texas blowing up frogs with firecrackers.
Besides, the majority of those punks will grow up to be Democrats.
I mean, think of it this way: They’re going to increase the number of folks eligible through S-CHIP; some want to lower the age for Medicare. And then all of a sudden, you begin to see a — I wouldn’t call it a plot, just a strategy — (laughter)
What the fuck does lowering the age for Medicare have to do with renewing the State CHILDREN'S Health Insurance Program?? Ya think one of the paid stenographer's in the media could ask Chimpy?? I'm not holding my breath.
yeah, that whole King and Queen and Aristocracy thing had me thrown... I could have sworn the UK was actually a Hereditary Dictatorship like every other monarchy in the world.
Ed @ 46:
As an American that falls through the gap between medicaid (which in my state, as a male w/o a child, I couldn't get it no matter what. Its being shut down in '08 anyway.) and having a job that offers decent health coverage (Which I'd be denied for anway, based on a pre-existing condition.), I'd say screwed up public care is better than none at all.
Any time I see a clip posted from "Fox News" -- I know one thing -- that there is no point in watching it. I know who they are, and I know what they do -- and that's enough.
Anybody who takes "Fox News" seriously, deserves not to be taken seriously.
Peace!
Here in Virginia you cannot have private insurance and just switch to SCHIP, you have to have had no insurance for one year prior to applying. This seems like a reasonable way to weed out any scammers. This program has been awesome and wonderful for working families that cannot afford insure themselves ( a national disgrace in and of itself...) but can at least insure their children. We can take the student athlete for an X-ray rather than waiting days to see how bad off he/she really is and risking a less than ideal outcome - without risking a mountain of debt.
SCHIP has made a HUGE difference in our working middle-class lives. We are really healthy and rarely need to see the doctor, but even regular and preventive health care can be outrageously costly. An emergency room visit easily can run into the thousands. Bankruptcy has a rotten effect on the whole family (unless you are a rich Republican pig who may just have to give up the second home...aaww).
The peace of mind and relief of worry and stress because I have known my kids are covered has been invaluable to me. I have many neighbors that are in far worse financial situations than I am. I guess King George will push them down further. My Dad taught us that if allowed to, the Rich will get Richer while the Poor get Poorer... Fuck the King, Fuck the Tyranny!
bill w @ 48:
Hey, it's OK, men cry sometimes. I think your "dam broke". The nation you once loved is being raped and destroyed by a gang of thugs. Sicko may have been that straw (or leak, whatever, see "dam").
I'm not American (oh, thank all the gods), but kinda think I would have started the revolution on my own by now.
Meanwhile, he and the politicians in Congress have the best health care plan in the world, a federal health care plan.
Hypocrite.
Anyone want to guess how much in taxpayer funds since the 1970's, when Bush Sr. entered public life, has gone to provide the Bush family, from George Bush Sr., to Jeb and George, their wives and their families, with the best possible health care?
Yeah, free health care from the government for kids is sheer hell - just ask George Bush Sr. It was so bad that most of his kids have grown up and made sure that their kids got a space at the trough too.
Edwin @ 62:
you have our forgiveness for not being American. The other fellow sort of pissed me off Just A Little. They talk all kinds of stupid shit about Canadians have to wait months for elective surgery, or English or French, right... I had to wait 14 YEARS for non-elective surgery to repair the surgery which repaired the injury, on the job, by the way, and uninsured, that has deteriorated to the point they had to put a titanium shank up my shin through the heel of my right foot because they left the screws in for so long, that the bone is dead and was about to shatter.
I suppose that shoots down the "waiting weeks or months" bull-poopoo they put out...
Shot down in Flames...
Crash, and Burn!
Compassionate Conservative.
As soon as Bush said these words everybody should have known he was totally full of shit.
I hope the evil fuck contracts an incurable disease some day.
Oh wait, I forgot, he already has one - STUPID is forever.
hopefully they'll remember why Medicaid, WIC, AFDC, HeadStart and Food Stamps were started in the first place... Johnson sold them with the reminder that kids who don't get good nutrition, housing, clothing, health care and education would be 4F in the Draft.
Sad and pathetic that it takes something like holding up a child and saying "if we don't take care of them now we won't be able to use them for cannon fodder in 14 years or so"
Sadder and yet more pathetic that the Republicans bought it on that merit alone.
The French had the right idea on Bastille Day...
The peak of compassionate conservatism.
In the United States of America - EVEN Bush's USA - it is nothing short of CRIMINAL that every single child doesn't have free and complete universal health coverage. ALSO - every pregnant mother.
The Repiglicans are the party of Family values?
DON'T MAKE ME VOMIT!
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These systems are massively broken, just like America’s, only for different reasons.
I have intimate knowledge of the Canadian healthcare system from the provider side. That statement is bullshit. Do things require improvement? Yes. Are waiting lists too long for some diagnoses? Yes. But to equate that with being massively broken is simply being massively misinformed.
What this really means is the president will not tolerate private insurance companies losing money, even if it benefits children. You have a very sick man running your country.
yeah, Ramone, we know.
He could be committed to psychiatric care, you know, if the surgeon general had enough stones to do it.
He fired the one, but if it had been me, I would have said, Oh Yeah? Motherf. I'm firing YOU now.
Tragically, he had the power, and the motive, and the opportunity, but he blew it off.
Bush could have been rommates at St Elizabeth's with his old friend John Wayne Hinckley, the one who shot Reagan and Baker with a 22 revolver way back when. "not guilty by reason of insanity" but he's still in jail.
I imagine they could carry on quite a few interesting conversations, especially when Hinckley snaps to the fact that this is one of the guys who pushed to keep him locked up so long...
It really is time to get rid of the pesky child labor laws you know. Put the little buggers to work 16 hours a day 7 days a week and they won't have time to go to no stinking Doctors appointments.
And in regards to the government supplying medical care to vets, well we know how well that works don't we? Granted if you're in the field they patch you up so you can go back out in to the meatgrinder but other than that best of luck.
Put these two talking points together and go out in to America Dems...throw in all of the rest of their horrors and hang those anchors around the neck of every Republican running for office. Keep those anchors around their necks for the next decade or longer. Keep them down long enough for us to get our country back and make us strong enough so they can never ruin this country again.
With single payer national health care we can do away with all this nonsense once and for all. Oh yeah, Bush and all the other ideological right wing nuts who don't like the fact that government is going to the same thing as the rest of the world can go take a flying leap from the many tall buildings around the country.
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It's not his ideology. I wish people would stop crediting Bush with having an idea in his head. He doesn't. This is the big insurance companies and HMOs telling their puppet to stop providing any necessities of life to Americans because they might not pay huge bucks to insurance companies.
This is nothing more than a decision being made to benefit those with money and the big insurance companies at the expense of American children. Bush has no real ideology other than gain for his corporate buddies.
barbra bush let them flucking slobs eat cake, oh my mind my beautiful mind !
I think maybe we should just applaud. His contempt for the American people--hell, humanity in general--is just so massive that it's amazing. Just when we think the curtain has fallen on the final horrific act, he gives us another encore. To have the gall to say he'd like to take health insurance away from children because it doesn't jive with his philosophy, all the while mispronouncing words and bumbling around the stage like a court jester, is awesome in its audacity. To bite the head off a puppy would be redundant at this point.
We watch a true master at work.
Bush has a 1,600 acre ranch and doesn't give a crap about anyone besides the jet set trust fund baby crowd.
Not a bit surprising coming from the same man who just last week said this:
“I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.”
Outsource tyke care to India...
Ed @ 46:
bullshit
I only listen to anyone's philosophy if it has stood the test of time. You know...like those 3 Greek guys; Aristotle, Socrates and Plato. Philosophy and Bush. Nope, I don't see it!
Scott @ 75:
Good point.
As Paul Krugman noted today in The NYT, one of the frequent arguments used by the right wing to defend private health insurance over a public one is, ironically, that Americans "get hip replacements faster than Canadians."
But as Krugman notes, "the large majority of hip replacements in the United States are paid for by, um, Medicare."
In other words, our Medicare has shorter wait times than Canada's.
So this is Bush's legacy - I VETOED.....
PEACE
CURES FOR DISEASE
AND HEALTH CARE FOR POOR KIDS,
but my DICK is rich as hell so all is good!
Great, Bushie. Just great. Veto this because it will encourage people to move from private to public healthcare, because as everyone knows, CHILDREN TOTALLY MAKE THE CHOICES.
Stupid fucknut.
While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies, campaign advertisement and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. I would like to our current “president” and the political leaders behind him, support more international problems that affect our place in this world, such as global poverty. We should not forget the commitment made towards the U.N. Millennium Goals (a pact of ending extreme world hunger by the year 2025) in 2000. While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. According to The Borgen Project, an annual $19 billion dollars is needed to eliminate half of the extreme poverty affecting the world by the year 2015. To my sense, it is almost unacceptable to have spent so far more than $340 billion in Iraq only, when we have more than war immunities to change the world and eliminate poverty.
Another medical nightmare under Bush's watch. Read this month's Discover magazine--the article about Iraq"s Medical Meltdown.
Makes me almost wish for the good old days of Vietnam.
Just when I didn't think Bush Cartel and assosicated thugs could stoop any lower or shock me any more...they just did.
At this point I don't have any trouble picturing the enlistment age being dropped from 18 to 16 or younger.
There have been posters asking where they will find the cannon fodder needed for the coming war with Iran. Don't think it will happen or that it's even possible? Think again. To quote and old Alice Cooper song title "Welcome to my Nightmare"
I was struck by bush's avoidance of the word 'child.' He refers to 'people' and 'folks' but not 'children,' a rovian convention if i ever heard one.
This Asshole bush doesn't even know how this program works and for which children!!!!!
People CAN'T get S-CHIP coverage above a certain income level. What a blatant in-our-faces LIE it is for him to say that people WITH COVERAGE will simply switch to save a buck!
That program is for Low-Income Kids! Not middle-class kids who already have coverage.
How many ways can it be possible to have the Poster Child for Evil as a (thief) president
How many times must he show us he is indeed, STRAIGHT FROM HELL.
despicable and immoral and deplorable and many other words. compassionate conservative, eh?
No Child Left Insured.
Remember, as governor of Texas when CHIPs went into effect, Bush wouldn't call the Texas Legislature into special session so Texas children could immediately participate and receive desperately-needed healthcare. Instead, Bush delayed doing anything at all until the next regular session of the legislature, which happens every two years.
Which makes one wonder why Bush hates both the children of Texas (back then and now) and the rest of the children of the United States (now).
Of course, if Republicans could somehow insert layers of middlemen into CHIPS, to whom taxpayer monies could be funneled in no-bid, Halliburtonesque contracts, then Bush and Cheney would be all for CHIPs, as long as Republicans could profit from it, and as long as all those Democrats were excluded from having any part in this for-profit Republican money-making scheme.
Remember, to a Republican "big government" is good as long as Republicans are raking in and distributing the big bucks (think earmarks) to their crony political and corporate pals, while "big government" is bad if Democrats are in charge and spreading taxpayer dollars as equitably, widely and efficiently as possible while benefiting a large, large swath of American citizens.
Are Bush and Cheney insane? Or are they just really, really anti-American?
It looks like Shrub and his right wing posse are only interested is saving those poor potential snowflake babies... you know those cluster of 5 day old cells - the rest of humanity be damned.
The administration has lost all compassion for those that are not it's base.
Every time Bush opens his yap a ninja kills a kitten.
Repugs only care about the fetus. Once you're
out of the womb you don't count for shit to this ghouls!
Everything that can't be privatized shall be systematically destroyed. Where are these assholes going once they've finished off the planet?
Bush and Cheney are actually screaming for help. " Help! We are trapped in a free market with no one to stop us".
The Oracle @ 96:
Molly Ivins tried to warn us that he was gonna "Texify" the United States...wish more people would hve listened.
FreeDUMB @ 100:
Um. Wherever the Rapture takes them, I suppose.
The Oracle @ 96:
But Perry did the bidding of Tom DeLay in not only calling an extra emergency session, but also GW used Homeland insecurity to track down the Killer Bees II Legislators who escaped to Oklahoma, AND THEN put the redistricting gerrymander plot on top of the agenda, sobbed and boohooed about how dare they let the financial work of the State go untended, but it THEIR intransigence that caused all the fuss, and of course, he wasn't "stubborn" he was "steadfast". What an ass.
Yes. And either way they should be at the very least put in St Elizabeth's for a long long stay.
That way, they can take FULL ADVANTAGE of that insanity defense their party has been babbling about for so long, and they can have plenty of company from people who have been there many times as long as their sentences would have been, if they had simply pled guilty in court. And they can tell their fellow Criminally Insane inmates how much they worked to take away any of their righ... umm that's "Privileges"...
And of course, at their own expense. They are so very very opposed to Free Socialized Health Care they should do the Right (wing) Thing and set an example for all us potential medical freeloaders by paying their own way.
They did suggest, many times, that Inmates in jails should pay rent....
Outrages in Iowa @ 6:
no, actually, chimpy is a fucking, heartless bastard.
(Please excuse my vulgarity. My Momma would wash my mouth out with soap if she saw this. )
While I think that the program should be expanded I hope that he does veto it because if you read the article you'll see
The new spending would be financed by an increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco products. The tax on cigarettes would rise to $1 a pack, from the current 39 cents
These "sin taxes" are normally regressive in nature. Poor people seem to use tobacco products more (IMHO). It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to claim that you are helping the poor when you are going to do it by targeting them with a tax increase.
and very rich DixiecratsEXRepublicans who target the poor (especially kids) with extremely addictive substances in the first place.
I like Obama's Idea better, Stop The Fucking War, you know?
Score enough bread just from not having to spend it making more medical nightmares in faraway places and concurrently in America, a Peace Dividend to end all peace dividends...
Ike Was Right... (about the Military Industrial Complex)
It's a hungry world and it gets hungrier every time a gun is fired. We can either afford war or we can afford to survive, but not both.
To Update Ben Franklin, A Few Trillion Dollars Saved, is A Few Trillion Dollars we can spend for something decent.
Did you ever notice, on all the American paper money, Franklin is the only one Smiling?
Washington looks like his dentures hurt. Franklin is smiling at him and saying "Hey, George, you might have been president, but I got to party like an animal in Paris while your ass was rotting in Valley Forge, and YOU'RE only on the $1 bill!""
Ed @ 46:
Oh for the love of...
I take it you're a fellow countryman (UK). The reason that the NHS is FUBARed in places is because of two reasons. One, there has been no serious effort to improve the basic infrastructure since it was founded in the 1940s, when the population was considerably smaller. The second, and I really would like to make this clear, was because your beloved ultra-capitalist PM Thatcher and her government set out to systematically destroy it by giving more funding to management consultants with the intent of 'streamlining' the NHS (read: Gut it and prepare the carcass for privatisation) than they did to training and recruiting doctors.
And they did this for the same reason that Bush is doing what he is - because if you're not 'our kind of people', perhaps it's better if you die as soon as possible and decrease the surplus population.
Ed @ 46:
I didn't realize you were so sensitive. Maybe we should sugar coat it for you. Out here, when people die, we call it "making cotton candy" to put people like you at ease. If you think people don't make cotton candy because of lack of health care, I have a few friends in graves I could direct you to.
Schip is not just for children. I have used SCHIP myself. The premiums were 700 a month. BCBS underwrites SCHIP in all states. SCHIP refuses to process claims timely. SCHIP left me as a sick legally disabled American holding six and seven thousand dollars worth of medicine claims over several months. They just didn't process the claims for payment. I understand why but in the meantime, I had to have more meds.
People need to call their attention to the Massachusetts law where you can get SCHIP and pay BCBS or you can pay a fine, courtesy of MittRomney.
SCHIP IS BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD
What, Bush wants to limit funding for health care for children so that the insurance companies don't lose money? And he calls himself a man that values family. More like a man that values money instead of family.
According to Ralph Nader, we should stop using "their words": "privatize" is THEIR words; "corporatize" is OUR word. "Privatize" doesn't sound like "Corporatize", though, does it? Now you know why they do it!
The President, his enablers, his corporate "sponsors" and the mindless ideological dittoheads are simply amoral scum who have no business holding public office nor having the honor of serving the general public.
A pox on this lowlife.
Evidence disclosed in Medical Supply Chain civil litigation discovery revealed GE's failure to comply with the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, anticompetitive conduct in the Aluminum market through GE Capital's underwriting of Alcoa in the takeover of McCook Metals, LLC and General Electric's pattern of extortion and obstruction to influence outcomes in state and federal courts that included GE Capital's efforts to influence the United Airlines (UAL) bankruptcy proceedings so that union workers would be deprived of pension health benefits.
The False Claims Act investigation of the McCook Metals take over was terminated by the USA Patriot Act appointed US Attorney for the Western District of Missouri, Bradley J. Schlozman.
General Electric satisfied the government investigation by canceling its planned purchase of Abbott Laboratories Inc. (ABT) for $8.3 billion dollars on July 12th 2007, abandoning plans to further the monopoly in key aluminum product segments by withdrawing underwriting for Alcoa, Inc. (AA) to purchase Alcan, Inc. (AL) against mining giant Rio Tinto's bid of $38.1 billion dollars on July 13th 2007. Finally, General Electric and its CEO Jeffrey Immelt on July 16th 2007 signaled their intent to sell off GE Capital, the General Electric unit most directly involved in the misconduct. GE Capital will retain liability for any conduct injuring United Airlines employees.
General Electric's alleged co-conspirator in Medical Supply Chain's civil litigation, US Bancorp (USB) was forced to divest its subsidiary US Bancorp Piper Jaffray February 19th 2003 when Lipari's civil litigation exposed Piper Jaffray's continuing role in extortion and monopolization of securities underwriting for healthcare technology companies allowed to enter the hospital supply market controlled by Novation LLC.
Samuel Lipari cautions that General Electric's bargain may satisfy US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales but does not stop Samuel Lipari's private civil litigation claims or Samuel Lipari's False Claims Act investigation of General Electric's role as a co-conspirator with Novation LLC and US Bancorp to artificially inflate healthcare costs paid by Medicare and Medicaid.
http://www.pressrelease365.com/pr/law-and-legal/alberto-gonzalez--genera...
This article is sooo untrue! Bush has stood on his head to make things better for children~! -- RICH PEOPLE'S CHILDREN~! All of you are just hateful!
Now, come on.... how can reasonable people expect that a limited pool of money be spent on the healthcare of American children when it could be better spent on killing foreign brown people and stealing their natural resources? That's a no-brainer for Bush. If he's given any choice that includes a chance to kill people and steal (wow - two for the price of one!) you know what he's going to do.
To the dipshits who somehow equate SCHIPS with "socialized medicine" - IT ISN'T. It's government-subsidized health insurance for children.
No "government doctors," no "socialization." Just paying for insurance.
But that fact doesn't lend itself to a knee-jerk right-wing rant, does it?
Healthcare for more US children, wouldn't be prudent.
Reichwing family values in action.
Rusty Shackleford @ 119:
Funny thing, was a week ago last Friday they had a story on NOW about SCHIPS. One thought that crossed my mind is I get my meds cheap at the VA. Now although alot of vets look homeless, I wonder how many would give just five dollars a visit to help fund these programs?
Ruthless People @ 2:
Yep, another no-brainer. Besides, it's common knowledge that the boo$h family is one of the biggest welfare-sucking families in U.S. history.
Hopefully this will hurt him and the Republicans.
I SMELL DICK CHENEY ON THIS! HE HATES CHILDREN!
Ed, the only reason the folks where you live think the idea that your healthcare system is laughable is because they've never been in our shoes. Have a middle class person come to this country, pay as much as we do for healthcare, wait in lines no shorter than in their home country and face bankrupcy if they should happen to break a leg and the insurance company decides not to cover it because of the profit motive. They'd realize within a half a year that the grass is not greener on the other side.
Those kids ain't blastocysts anymore, so screw 'em!
Unfortunately, the reichwing might take that literally.
ysbaddaden @ 121:
When I was on the street, ate at the soup kitchen, whenever I walked in if I had any money whatsoever, it went in the collection box.
Don't know how common that is. I suspect it's more than one would think.A lot of the people who go there aren't homeless, just poor.
The Reich Wing say that anybody who is poor in America is just lazy, no ambition, but these are people who work like dogs for minimum wage and can hardly afford food, so they eat at St Mary's. How the hell are they going to afford healthcare if they can't even afford to eat?
You know, I meet countless, literally because I don't keep special track of their numbers, of good people every day.
Yet with all the good people around we still get stuck with an evil messed up world.
parents who have their children on CHIPs do not earn enough money to pay taxes so how can they lower their taxes to buy insurance, This program is a God sent gift, and the republicians say the democrats are not Christians, I say the republicians are not Christrans
Apparently some children will be left behind under the Bush administration. What a surprise.
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