This is just sick. I hope this clown goes to jail.

The man is a sick, sick bastard. Also, he can't throw the ball to save his life. I bet some dog-loving linebackers are going to be itching to lay him out. Hell, I would want to.

My cat, Fred the Cat, will be posting about this on Friday. Just like my cat, I'm disgusted as hell. If Vick is found guilty, I hope they give him the maximum penalty. What the fu*k was he thinking? Anyone who would do this is a heartless son of a bitch.

Hang em high

And we should care why?

This really doesn't seem very sick to me, at least not compared to factory farmed cattle and hogs or the various chicken abattoirs that litter the entire country.
Not that I think it's okay, it just doesn't seem any more horrific than the way we treat animals that are considered as food.

Dog fighting is about as low as one can go - worse than boxing and ultimate fighting, worse than cockfighting and bullfighting, and any other blood "sport" one can name. It is organized torture of animals by other animals, with absolutely no redeeming value. Period.

This is yet another sorry chapter in the Vick family saga. Remember when Vick first started for Atlanta, following the injury of his teammate, which was met with cheers from Vicks family and friends? And let us not forget his illustrious brother Marcus.

Good riddance to the whole lot of them!

dogfighting?? who does this?!?!

Who cares...............

Oh noooooo.... say it ain't so.
Why is it that "Pros" who make millions of dollars yearly, do some of the dumbest shit on the planet.

If Vick is guilty, he should be sent to jail for a long time. This looks real bad for NFLs new image makeover(getting rid of dumbasses).

/dog lover
//football fan

MeMeMe @ 18:

I'm guessing that Vick has put on an NFL uniform for the last time.

Yes, the phrase "life-time-ban" is being bounced around the sports media world.

Dogfighting is a sick "sport". Anyone who is involved in it should be punished to the full extent of the law. Let's keep in mind though that this is still "alleged". Not proven. Unless of course we want to act like the majority of repugs that I know that love to convict others before all the facts are in, while still ignoring their own sins of course.

mister mix @ 16:

daggon wtf is wrong with this guy?
proof that money doesn't solve everything.

Remeber Darryl Henley? He was runnin' a multi-million dollar cocine ring. Here's an update:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/000513henley.html

More from the AP:

Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a “rape stand,” used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.

The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours. The winning dog would win from “100’s up to 1,000’s of dollars,” and participants and spectators also bet on the dogfights.

Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents.

This whole case is disgusting. Fighting dogs is bad enough, but brutally killing those who fail to perform is just insane to me. No punishment will be harsh enough for Ookie and his boys.

darkkarma @ 22:

Why is there a rush to linking Vick, a football player, to Bush, the clown-in-chief?

Odd...

I get that this website has an angle but honestly!

Really. I was surprised no one linked him to Romney yet... talking about a no-brainer.

Send him to Iraq if he's so bored.

I once witnessed a pit bull kill a chow; I am still traumatized by it. Animal control yelled at me for trying to break it up.

If you have read the indictment, it is obvious that they had an informant since they have very specific charges ie: Dates, dogs names and bet amounts and the incidents where the dogs who lost or weren't aggressive enough to make money were killed.

Appalling. I am a football fan, and I sincerely hope the NFL bans his a$$ permanently.

I read that he tortured and killed the dogs who didn't win fights by hanging them up and electrocuting them.

It literally makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.

This is one case where I think the punishment SHOULD fit the crime ...

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While I'm sure his mother bears some responsibility' I'm not sure I would go this far.

But, to each his own.

The NFL can’t run away from this one…

What does this have to do with the NFL? If Markos was indicted for dog fighting, would we blame the blogosphere? (Okay, O'Reilly would).

rahm_emanuel_is_a_tool @ 10:

And we should care why?

Because it is cruelty to animals.

Even worse, those dogs that were taken from his house will most likely be put down. They can't be rehabilitated and adopted out. This guy is a cruel asshole. One of my dogs that I adopted from the humane society was a six month old puppy that had been used for fighting practice. He was badly chewed up and required hundreds of dollars of medical help. He's so sweet but soooo messed up in the head. He's scared of his own shadow and needs constant reassuring. He's my big, 120 pound, lumpy teddy bear who crawls into my lap when it's thundering.

And Pete Rose is still banned from the Hall.

Maybe Vick has a future in the CIA. We need to torture more terrrists.

Maybe the Atlanta Falcons will donate his check to the SPCA.

Or maybe they won't.

Vick signed his contract in 2004. The Atlanta Journal Constitution notes Vick's predilections date at least to 2003.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/17/vick...

They knew.

michael @ 51:

NFL run away?

are you familiar with the new commish?

he don't fuck around. michael sick is going to get it. but good.

Oh, indeed, Roger Goodell is going to ban Vick for life.

But will that ban be accompanied by a press conference, condemning Vick's actions? Will the league consider the possibility that other players might be involved in underground dog fighting? Or will they carry-on with their United Way / pro-Christian / pro-war PR and pretend this didn't happen come September?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, Bascombe, but I believe substance abuse and mental illness (in the case of the wrestler) is different from simple brutality and abuse of other living beings.

And --- to answer another question, the NFL has a long history of excusing bad behavior of their superstars. Just look at the Bengals from the last couple years. That's why it's important they take a stand.

Dumbya will find a special torture job for him in his cabinet.

If the whole NFL were to collapse this minute I would not shed a single tear.

For some reason I just don't care about this story. He had dog fights, not good, but so what?

Trouble Man @ 62:

For some reason I just don't care about this story. He had dog fights, not good, but so what?

If you have any humanity and care at all about animals, so ALOT!

curlyq @ 59:

Correct me if I'm wrong, Bascombe, but I believe substance abuse and mental illness (in the case of the wrestler) is different from simple brutality and abuse of other living beings.

And --- to answer another question, the NFL has a long history of excusing bad behavior of their superstars. Just look at the Bengals from the last couple years. That's why it's important they take a stand.

I'd agree with you on the substance abuse and mental illness thing and I truly think it far more important because it truly destroyed three lives, which is far more newsworthy than dogfighting. personally, I'm surprised to see something that irrelevant getting it's own thread.

my primary protest, however was the thinly veiled racist remarks about vick in some of the entries were not deleted or even addressed, along with the blatantly racist remark in at least one.

sh@dow's remark had nothing to do with Vick, so it's not relevant.

this purports to be a liberal blog (maybe not), but the racist remarks are ok, apparently.

but I'm over the top!

people need to relax a little bit and breathe. an indictment is not a guilty verdict. remember what happened with the duke lacrosse rape case? the players were found guilty in the court of public opinion before a fair trial was brought on. while the feds are obviously going to handle the case differently than nifong, it's still too early for all of you to be rushing to judgment.

with that said, when i read some of the things that they did to the pit bulls, i felt sick to my stomach. if vick had any part of this, i hope this motherfucker goes to jail.

The NFL is full of ghetto brothers and white rednecks who feel dog-fighting is perfectly fine. This entire story makes me sick.

I think most people are scum, but dogs are loving, faithful animals. To train them to fight...and torture them if they lose....is unreal.

If guilty, I hope that asshole rots in a cell.

Ian - Patriot @ 67:

It's Bush's fault!
[Off topic-Sitemonitor]

Actually, it's Clinton's fault

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He's a wealthy, celebrity athlete, so, even if he's found guilty, he won't see a second of jail time.

I used to admire his talent.

Real man's man, huh.

Sheesh.

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?? Ignorant flamebaiting.

What`s the big deal?This is the USA,the most violent country on earth.Our leaders blow the fuck out of innocent men women and children because we need the oil they live above;they torture innocent and guilty alike;they spy on their own people to get dirt on them so they can stay in power;and they rob the poor to give to the rich.

We love our sports players because they give us momentary relief from our misery.This guy shouldn`t be punished because he`s a violent despicable asshole.He should be punished for depriving the NFL sports fans of the relief from their miserable,self-absorbed lives.

Coaches.. Not couches...but whatever.........JD

By the way:

Amazon sells animal fighting videos and books.

Boycott them.

The two most despicable kind of people in the world are those who abuse children and animals. I hope Vick and all his cohorts get the book thrown at them. Vick has never been anything more than a common thug, and always will be.

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Your attempts to misrepresent the post are considered flamebaiting. Get back to work and leave us alone.

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Calm down.

Several different methods of killing the dogs who didn't perform up to standards? Sounds to me like a thrill kill on the part of Vick, et al.

Yep, it takes a real manly man to kill a pit bull by hanging, electrocution, strangling, or body slam. /sarcasm off

YeahRight @ 90:

a guy @ 64:

Trouble Man @ 62:

For some reason I just don't care about this story. He had dog fights, not good, but so what?

If you have any humanity and care at all about animals, so ALOT!

I'm hoping "a guy" is a vegetarian.

"Dog fights" is just too benign to describe what happens. We're not talking about two animals who are fitted with gloves in a refereed ring.

This is dog slaughter and blood letting, which humans orchestrate. Dogs are trained to attack, chew, maim, kill other dogs, usually in a filthy blood-spattered ring.

Losing dogs are often tossed in an alley or pile of rubbish, where they are left to die a slow, agonizing death.

That's the big deal.

Humans who engage or participate in these activities are vile. Often, adults will bring their small children (5 years old) to these slaughters, as audience members. It's all sick.

Domestic dogs are the most social of animals, and they're loyal and loving to their human owners, even when their owners mistreat them. Dogs will sacrifice their lives to protect their owners, and have been known to save the lives of people they don't know.

I say, throw the legal book at this son-of-a-bitch, and at anybody else who participates in these crimes.

"Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method"

Ironic that the dogs suffer this fate when they perform poorly but when Vick has a 22.7 QB rating with 2 interceptions and 0 touchdowns in a 10-3 loss against the Carolina Panthers, he gets to walk away.

Vick and his brother are criminals. But unlike most black criminals, they have money and therefore will do no time. The only color that matters is green in this sad nation.

I'm liking the idea of the lifetime ban. I'm a firm believer in the "sportsmanship" aspect of any organized sport. I don't believe that any human being that can callously torture animals by teaching them to rip each other into shreds understands that concept.

Sports fans are not uneducated hicks. Many sports require an understanding of strategy, knowledge of all players strengths and weaknesses, and the ability to make separate players perform together as a team. While I'm sure some football fans revel in the violence of the sport, many of us enjoy debating the choices made by teams, coaches and players.

We all should care because of the inherent brutality of what this man did. The humanity in us should have a strong reaction to all forms of torture, whether it be humans, pets, wildlife, etc. Yes, the US is currently doing things I violently oppose. Our minds and hearts are large enough that we can have a visceral reaction to this as well.

Damn, I was hoping no one would respond to Doggy Stlye. We all inevitably regret feeding trolls (yes, I know, I'm probably feeding him now) and his type of ignorance is so deep, educating through debate is beyond him.

Doggy Stlye @ 72:

Personally I wouldn't own a pitbull unless it does have a good fighting background, these aren't real dog people, I have known real dog people and real pit dogs are not shocked or drowned when they loose, they're fixed and given away, your dog wins 3 times its a champion. as far as the article goes, it isn't a "rape stand" its a breeding stand because real breaders have to control the breading and witness it, you don't just throw your dogs out in the back yard and say "go at it" and they don't have "pry bars" they have break sticks, you put the break stick in the dogs mouth so he doesn't rip the other dog up while your waiting for them to stop. its a common tool if you have breeding males because they get kinda crazy when the bitch is in heat. the female I have now has 2 confirmation grand champions and one "Ace" champion fighting dog in her 7 year pedigree. she's one of my best dogs ever. My best dog EVER came from a Serious crack house, ukc purple ribbon bread whose blood line went back to the Hatfield and Mckoys, she could go anywhere at anytime and I could let her off leash and walk away and not worry. these dog LIKE to fight they're tails are going and they're diggin it. my buddies best fighting dog saved some little kid from a dog attack at the park and held his temper another time when a weiner dog was hanging off his face and the owner was FREAKING out. Pitbulls are America's dog they have been the most popular breed in this country since the mid 1930's and are the most populous dog in this coutry to this day, they are the most decorated military dog ever and most people have owned one but are too stupid to know it. the Washing State Patrol use ONLY Pit Bulls in their drug and bomb sniffin programs (http://www.lawdogsusa.org/home.html). Let e'm Roll. its their job and they like it. in the only pictures I saw of Vicks dogs I didn't see one - not one with even a scratch. and why should he be penalized at work. was he fighting his dogs at work? your employer should have NO say in your life away from work. or do you guys like have corporations running your life. Now if you want to go after someone who hurts dogs and breeds out everything the dog's about then go after the AKC. those poor dog having to sit there all day with all those fat people and have their hair trimmed like they were some kind of a barbie doll.

I don't think there are many Akita owners who hunt bear woth their dogs. Not many Irish Wolfhound owners who hunt wolf. We do live in the 21st century after all. Hard to justify being medieval...

They should [Deleted. Do NOT advocate violence on this site-Sitemonitor] -- "hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."
Hurting animals is just about the lowest thing a human being can do. And its so much worse when you think how a dog only wants to please his master. What a piece of maggot-infested feces that guy is... and anyone else who likes to jerk off while watching a dog fight.

If he had 1/10% of his talents converted to brains he would be much better off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo

sully18 @ 85:

What`s the big deal?This is the USA,the most violent country on earth.Our leaders blow the fuck out of innocent men women and children because we need the oil they live above;they torture innocent and guilty alike;they spy on their own people to get dirt on them so they can stay in power;and they rob the poor to give to the rich.

We love our sports players because they give us momentary relief from our misery.This guy shouldn`t be punished because he`s a violent despicable asshole.He should be punished for depriving the NFL sports fans of the relief from their miserable,self-absorbed lives.

Cynicism duly noted.

Sick stuff.

Mr. Vick - in internet terminology - GTFO.

Hope you enjoy your cell; I'm sure your animals were equally pleased with their arrangements.

Hey now, dont go bashing the NFL. Your tone suggests you got a problem with the greatest team sport in the history of sports. Why does this matter to us here at C&L? DOnt be biased.

Sick fuck. Lock him up!

Lets just hope the cable news networks don't milk this story so much as to reinforce negative black stereotypes.

Here is the story on ESPN -
VIDEO
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=ad5b56a3-5896-4e87-...

Art Pufkin @ 125:

I certainly hope any of the "Who cares" Ass holes in this thread live near me.

I only wish I could punch you in your fucking faces from here.

Dogs are the greatest people on earth PERIOD.

I really meant don't live near me

Is Mitt Romney going to come out and criticize PETA for their treatment of Michael Vick on this. I mean, c'mon...he was just getting his family dogs some exercise.

Art Pufkin @ 124:

I certainly hope any of the "Who cares" Ass holes in this thread live near me.

I only wish I could punch you in your fucking faces from here.

Dogs are the greatest people on earth PERIOD.

I don't know how many of you remember this, but early on when this story broke Vick and some NFL buddy of his held a press conference and asserted there was nothing wrong whatsoever with dogfighting.

Saw this trainwreck coming from miles away once I read about that.

J @ 102:

Ya, it's wrong. But who cares? This is a waste of federal resources. Another publicity case to get a deputy AG some face time. (Yawn) Now I'm going back to be offended by real news and real issues not some novelty distraction.

Oh dear, are the two of us going to have to play paper-rock-scissors or something?

Sadly I think it's a product of the culture we live in.

Growing up, all the lil' mike vicks of this nation are taught to fantasize not of ending inequity and exploitation one day, but rather to become the exploiters themselves.

I partly agree. Not all the information is available yet. The facts need to come out first, and until we have all the details it's unfair to condemn NFL officials for not taking action yet.

And regardless of what happens, it is entirely prejudicial and unfair to condemn the whole of the NFL for the conduct of one twisted jackass.

Rufus @ 138:

Do unto Vick what he did to the dogs. No mercy. Fry him.

Actually, getting himself hurt for the enjoyment of others is pretty much what he does for a living anyway...

The way he plays his position is incredibly wild and reckless. It's why people pay to see him.

"competitive dogfighting" because non-competitive dogfighting would not be sport?

Yeah, NFL teams are first and for most profit-generating businesses (Well, except the green bay packers, which are collectively owned by a cooperative of fans and run not-for-profit). No team would want to touch him if this pans out to be true, even if he wasn't suspended, which he probably will be eventually.

Strawberry @ 47:

Even worse, those dogs that were taken from his house will most likely be put down. They can't be rehabilitated and adopted out. This guy is a cruel asshole. One of my dogs that I adopted from the humane society was a six month old puppy that had been used for fighting practice. He was badly chewed up and required hundreds of dollars of medical help. He's so sweet but soooo messed up in the head. He's scared of his own shadow and needs constant reassuring. He's my big, 120 pound, lumpy teddy bear who crawls into my lap when it's thundering.

ahh. thats nice strawberry. I'm an animal lover 2 and know what it's like 2 hav an animal that was once abused. if all is true about Vick than hope he gets his. I know we did. Im a Texans fan and we hav the Falcons best bet at back-up. sorry Falcons fans. Go Texans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ian - Patriot @ 58:

It's Bush's fault.

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why do you idiots always bring republicans in this. screw u. im a republican, real patriot and sports fans. leave the politics to other topics. anyway most democrats are over educated wussies who couldnt play sports at all. oh sorry. now a days a lot of players are more and more democrats. now i know why all sports are going to hell.

Site Monitor: Earl, Ian is NOT a Democrat. It's called sarcasm.

Sorry but no. Pits love people, they want to sleep on your bed, they want to be exercised an hour a day, they want to be chased and play games, they want treats. They do NOT want to be torn up in a fight. You must be talking about the poor dogs whose warped, pathetic, completely wimpy loser owners have brought them up in an unnatural way - and then pits will try and please them because all these dogs want to do is please their owner.

My pit is beautiful and fit and is one of the happiest, sweetest dog anywhere. We walk four miles a day, she goes to a doggie day care where she plays with up to 50 other dogs, the neighbor kids include her in touch football games and you don't know what you are talking about. So many people will ask me about my pit and the real men are the ones that say, "I've had a pit and it was the sweetest dog ever - they are given a bad rap."
Doggy Stlye @ 72:

Personally I wouldn't own a pitbull unless it does have a good fighting background, these aren't real dog people, I have known real dog people and real pit dogs are not shocked or drowned when they loose, they're fixed and given away, your dog wins 3 times its a champion. as far as the article goes, it isn't a "rape stand" its a breeding stand because real breaders have to control the breading and witness it, you don't just throw your dogs out in the back yard and say "go at it" and they don't have "pry bars" they have break sticks, you put the break stick in the dogs mouth so he doesn't rip the other dog up while your waiting for them to stop. its a common tool if you have breeding males because they get kinda crazy when the bitch is in heat. the female I have now has 2 confirmation grand champions and one "Ace" champion fighting dog in her 7 year pedigree. she's one of my best dogs ever. My best dog EVER came from a Serious crack house, ukc purple ribbon bread whose blood line went back to the Hatfield and Mckoys, she could go anywhere at anytime and I could let her off leash and walk away and not worry. these dog LIKE to fight they're tails are going and they're diggin it. my buddies best fighting dog saved some little kid from a dog attack at the park and held his temper another time when a weiner dog was hanging off his face and the owner was FREAKING out. Pitbulls are America's dog they have been the most popular breed in this country since the mid 1930's and are the most populous dog in this coutry to this day, they are the most decorated military dog ever and most people have owned one but are too stupid to know it. the Washing State Patrol use ONLY Pit Bulls in their drug and bomb sniffin programs (http://www.lawdogsusa.org/home.html). Let e'm Roll. its their job and they like it. in the only pictures I saw of Vicks dogs I didn't see one - not one with even a scratch. and why should he be penalized at work. was he fighting his dogs at work? your employer should have NO say in your life away from work. or do you guys like have corporations running your life. Now if you want to go after someone who hurts dogs and breeds out everything the dog's about then go after the AKC. those poor dog having to sit there all day with all those fat people and have their hair trimmed like they were some kind of a barbie doll.

If you think it ends with Vick, you'd be surprised. I've dealt with a number of local sports figures' animals, and without exception, they're fighting breeds. And I'm not talking just about the players; coaches are on in on this as well.

Now I can't say for certain whether or not these specific dogs are involved in dogfighting, but only one of these owners actually took the time to raise a well-adjusted and well-trained pooch. Each of the other four owners took very little responsibility for their animals, and have, at this juncture, all been banned from this enterprise.

When I say local sports figures, I'm talking not only NFL, but NBA as well. In fact, its the b-ballers who have the worst dogs, hands-down. None of their animals were fixed, all were highly dog-aggressive, and a good number of them had their ears and tails cropped in a fighting style. The footballers I've been willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but the basketballers' dogs were suspiciously ideal for fighting.

Dunno, this is just rumor-mongering, but I tell you, there's some pretty messed-up people in professional sports.

Mike Curtis, a linebacker for the old Colts (the real Colts, back when they were in Baltimore) once said that, absent football, he would have spent his youth brawling and beating on people -- and then his middle and old age in jail, if he lasted that long. The NFL does provide some otherwise violent men an outlet for violence and cruelty -- and a path to discipline themselves if, like Curtis, they chose to walk it. In Vick's case, the NFL wasn't up to the task; but possibly the NFL has lowered its standards to the point where the values of the sport that gave purpose to men like Curtis are no longer respected.