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...Here's to Russ, a Democrat with a pair!

Tim Russert and Randy Quaid - separated at birth?

This is bullshit.

Nothing short of impeachment will do.

A censure resolution has no legal consequences, as Feingold himself acknowledges. If it does pass, the Dems will say "see, we held them accountable!" and then ask America to "move on" past "the worst assault on the Constitution in U.S. history" to electing a Democratic president.

No Russ. You said that you believe they have committed impeachable offenses. In that case you have a sworn duty to act on that and impeach them.

I should add that I know that Feingold and the Senate cannot initiate impeachment proceedings.

However, if Feingold were to publicly call for impeachment (as his colleague in the Senate, Barbara Boxer, has) that would have a major impact.

You are correct, it doesn't go far enough and it is a lame gesture considering impeachment must be started in the house, where there is the required majority and an increasingly angry populace that sees the House of Representatives as a lot of mushrooms enjoying the dark.
Start the impeachment. the members of the house are all going to TRY be elected again 2 novembers from now, few if any criminal party incumbents are going to be re elected. I hope we can rid ourselves of the schulers and the murthas that vote to continue war.
Where in the hell are the priorities? IF the house starts impeachment, the R-Al and CA and VA will all be forced to get on board and vote yeah. If they don't, they will be forcibly retired.

why in the hell does no one understand the timing and protocol required for this to become reality? why are so many reaching for nothing when they could work together to remove this and prevent it from ever returning?
sad. sad and impotent actions of fools and tools.
It is a great shame to live in such a "democracy"

What, exactly, would the President have to do to warrant impeachment?

You would think that torture, the politicization theocratization of government departments, illegal spying on citizens, secret prisons, rendition, ignoring the rule of law, manipulating intelligence, an illegal war, and manifest incompetence on almost every front, both domestic and foreign, might be enough.

Oooooo! A censure motion. Boy, that'll stop George and Dick in their tracks! They'd never bomb Iran once they'd been censured.

(sigh)

And now for another episode of "STOP!!! or I'll say STOP again!"

THIS is more like it...and doable!

hadenuf @ 13:

http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=2732
Conyers: 3 More Congress Members and I'll Impeach

More on 3 needed ~ LINK

Everyone can take two minutes on Monday and do two things: phone Chairman Conyers at 202-225-5126 and ask him to start the impeachment of dick Cheney; and phone your own Congress Member at 202-224-3121 and ask them to immediately call Conyers' office to express their support for impeachment. Your Congress Member might just be one of the three needed, not just to keep us out of jail but to keep this nation from devolving into dictatorship.

Mahir @ 8:

This is bullshit.

Nothing short of impeachment will do.

A censure resolution has no legal consequences, as Feingold himself acknowledges. If it does pass, the Dems will say "see, we held them accountable!" and then ask America to "move on" past "the worst assault on the Constitution in U.S. history" to electing a Democratic president.

No Russ. You said that you believe they have committed impeachable offenses. In that case you have a sworn duty to act on that and impeach them.

I'm pro-impeachment, too, but, for the hundredth time, *the Senate does not have the Constitutional authority to initiate impeachment.* That HAS to come from the House. So, all you folks who are bashing senators for "not having the balls" to start impeachment hearings are barking up the wrong tree. They CAN'T DO IT because the Constitution says so.

That being said, now is the time to write to Nancy Pelosi and your own representative and inform them of how strongly you feel. Don't just sit there. Do it. I've already gotten several responses back from both Pelosi and my own rep--a few of them unsolicited--because they know now that I'm paying attention and want some action.

Impeach the SOBs.

Does anyone know why Pelosi does not even want to discuss impeachment?

Hail To The Chimp @ 20:

Impeach the SOBs.

Does anyone know why Pelosi does not even want to discuss impeachment?

Is Nancy Pelosi a freakin' GENIUS??

Russ is playing games. Censure is a joke. Indeed, it's a way to keep Bush in business.

Too little, too late Russ.

It's time for democrats to start behaving as though they are the majority party with right and justice on their side and the majority of Americans.

Impeach the criminals already.

This administration has NO respect for the power of congress or our system of government and they won't give a damn about a censure. It is time, passed time to impeach as they have tried to overthrow our system of government.

Tell Pelosi to impeach Russ. It's time.

NO! Censure at this point is redundant in regards to Bush and Cheney. Impeach the treasonous bastards. We can't suffer another day of those idiots!

1st Censure
then Impeachment
then War Criminal Trials
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I do not believe that Pelosi should advocate for impeachment; it clearly would be a conflict of interest. But anyone and everyone else should.

I am also not of the school of thought to give this administration enough rope and they will hang themselves. Look at the collateral damage. Impeachment is the remedy and it needs to be implemented soon. David Swanson says it could take a day--all the evidence is on video.

Hail to the Chimp
It takes away too much time for other things they wan't to accomplish!
Pelosi's words!

This is my Senator. When I called for impeachment he sent me a letter telling me that he believed Bush has CLEARLY broken the law. Thus, he wants to censure him. LOL

COOL! I'm down with that.

Lets go censure all of the criminals in our Wisconsin court system, too.

If I weren't having so many family problems, I'd go stand outside the court house with a sign advocating censuring felons.

This is why I don't like ANY politicians anymore. And yes, I understand that impeachment starts in the lower body. But imagine what it would be like if Russ stood up for impeachment proceedings being started in that lower body?

I won't be voting for Russ again.

Eric Shook @ 36:

I won't be voting for Russ again.

Just MHO, but even given your legitimate point that impeachment is what should be happening, I would hesitate to get rid of Feingold unless there is a clearly better candidate. He's on the right side of a lot of progressive issues.

I just replied to his email, that no, only impeachment will work. Censure might shame and restrain a normal administration. This is not normal. This administration has shown time and again that it is capable of neither shame nor restraint. Cheney and Bush must be removed from power by either impeachment or by the military. I don't much care which, any longer, but it needs to be sooner rather than later.

Eric Shook @ 36:

This is my Senator. When I called for impeachment he sent me a letter telling me that he believed Bush has CLEARLY broken the law. Thus, he wants to censure him. LOL
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I won't be voting for Russ again.

Why not?
Russ was the only senator with guts enough to try fillibuster in the whole 109th.
Again, he does not have the power to start impeachment, he can only push for censure. Now if impeachment goes forward, he can vote to convict.

Want to get onto someone for not impeaching? Write Pelosi, who is blocking it in the House. Impeachment must start in the House NOT the Senate.

Ya ReTHUGS and Bushite NeoCONs.....change yer ways, or we'll, we'll, we'll....do NOTHING.

Censure is a start, but it is too weak. Even if impeachment didn't make it in the Senate. It would surely pass in the House and maybe that is enough to get people going on this. This country needs to do something. The frustration is palpable.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8562
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Russ continues to hear the American peoples concerns and understands the gravity of constitutional protections and values them.

Russ Feingold could make an Atheist say AMEN!

Reid is poor leader. Replace him.

Civics 101 people!!!

A Senator cannot initiate Impeachment, so quit blaming Senator Feingold for not impeaching.

There already is an impeachment bill on Cheney, with 11 co-sponsors that Speaker of the House Nancy "Can't Find a Freekin Table" Pelosi won't let move forward.

Lets put blame where it belongs.

Senator Feingold has been the one lone Senator that has actually tried to DO SOMETHING, including filibuster in the RubberStamp 109th ( not one Dem Senator, especially the ones running for president had the guts to back him up )

Again Civics 101, a Senator CANNOT initiate Impeachment. Sheesh!!!

Yet another scattershot Dem effort that will get two days of coverage then dissappear to be replaced by another politically-doomed distraction. The Dems don't know how to lead.

I'm reading a book about impeachment of Bush. This shit gotta start with us contacting our legislators. It begins with US.

The legislators are to heed the call of the people. It's all mapped out for them.

Sany @ 53:

The Democratic party leadership in the House and the Senate are SHAMEFUL! On Bob Schieffer's show today, he asked Harry Reid our FEARRUL Leader if he would support this latest censure resolution by Russ Feingold. Harry responded by saying there are more PRESSING pieces of legislation that must be dealt with. I ask you progressive Democrats, what do we have left if the Democrats won't even support the wishes of their base? I think Democracy has been killed in this country. Bush/Cheney really killed everything that was once good in this country. What's left if we cannot count on hte Democrats to do the will of the people?

Maybe Harry doesn't want to give the impression that what's they're working on.

For the President, to be impeached, he would have to be shown on television, riping the head off a small child, and sucking out it's entrails.

Really, WTF is going on in Washington? Are we going to have to storm the capitol, and have a citizens arrest of Bush and Cheney, if congress continues to bury it's collective heads in the sand? JC!!

I agree about the censure comments, who cares? All Bush is going to do is ignore it like he does everything else since does think of himself as dictator. Too bad Sentaor Feingold isn't for impeaching Bush because "it would take up too much time." Funny how he said the opposite with President Clinton over a blowjob but it takes too much time to protect the Constitution. It's really disappointing and everyone should write him with your disappointment especially those he serves in Wisconsin.

I agree that impreachment is the way to go.
But I'm glad that Feingold is going ahead with the censure resolution. It keeps the kettle boiling for the moment.
Maybe when one of the more heavily funded of the democratic candidates for president comes out for impeachment, we can get the show on the road and force a change in course.
So far, they are cowering in the shadows.

This is both a good idea, and a bad idea.

Good idea in that if he is censured, it will definitely tarnish the legacy Bush is busting ass to create.

Bad idea in that it's keeping them from actually doing anything that'll fix the problem.

We need to at least censure him because the next repub prez will go war farther than Bush like Bush went way farther than Nixon

lendmeadime @ 63:

Impeachment will never happen and so you’ll have a better understanding I’ll tell you why. It is marginal that Bushit will be impeached by the House. But he will never be convicted in the Senate needing a two thirds vote. The Senate can’t get 60 votes on issues that are less important. And the fallout of a House impeachment? As proven with the Clinton impeachment Bushit’s popularity will increase. Now what Democrat would want to see that happen.

Au contraire mon ami. I think once the ball gets rolling you would be surprised. Clinton and Bush are two entirely different animals. Clinton was more poplular after his impeachment because the people of this country knew that the whole thing was a farce. Bush and his cronies are truly guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Bush would be hated even more if impeachment failed. Because people would see it as proof that congress has been thoroughly corrupted. This country wants this administration to answer for their crimes. Well at least the true patriots do.

hadenuf @ 32:

I do not believe that Pelosi should advocate for impeachment; it clearly would be a conflict of interest. But anyone and everyone else should.

I am also not of the school of thought to give this administration enough rope and they will hang themselves. Look at the collateral damage. Impeachment is the remedy and it needs to be implemented soon. David Swanson says it could take a day--all the evidence is on video.

Pelosi need not be an advocate for impeachment.
She needs merely to let it be generally known that impeachment is on the table, and that she will not stand in the way of any resolution that comes before the house,
but rather schedule it for debate and an up or down vote.
You see, Republicans always insist on an up or down vote.

We are living in a time of the most corrupt administration ever. Its just sickening. There is likely no punishment great enough for Bush and Co. I would rather see impeachment proceedings than a wimpass censure. Bush and Cheney deserve to be tried as war criminals and imprisoned!!! Course Bush will probably make up some new law and pardon himself anyway.

Impeachment is the answer, but the Democratic leadership is too cowardly to take the step. They fear that the Conservative spin machine will say that they are using impeachment for political purposes, and the Democrats don't have the stomach to take that charge on.

http://the-age-of-ignorance.blogspot.com/2007/07/to-impeach-or-not-to-im...

Senate to Bush/Rove/Cheney: Don't make me count to three!"

[...] measure and when moderator Tim Russert pointed this out and called the bill purely political the nutroots went wild. If the bill is certain to be killed, isn’t supporting such an action not anything [...]

Censure? Nope, not good enough. Not by a long shot. And I disagree it would represent a "start". It would merely serve to create cover for those prepared to disgrace their oaths by refusing to grasp the nettle of impeachment.

No one hates the Bush administration more than me, but all of this censure and impeachment talk doesn't have any legs. The nation is politically exhausted so no one wants another dog and pony show. We just want the Congress to box in Bush from causing further harm and get us to the 08 election where we can make a long overdue change. All of this stuff may have been warranted back in 05 or even 06, but with almost 18 months left, it's just a big waste of time.

*YYYYYYAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNN*

Did I just read another Democrat posturing to help the Boosh Crime Family ride out the term knowing that the only thing the Dems want is their turn at the trough to enrich their favorite corporations and very rich constituents?

All these corporatists get the mike and they posture ad nauseum. We get to chomping at the bit and then they yank the reins! (repeat cycle of prissy-assed dem whining and idle threatening until 2008 election, where they expect to reap rewards of republican corruption, while having done NOT ONE DAMNED THING TO STOP IT!)

Where are the DNC candidates? What is going on with the 50-state initiative of the DNC?

I registered Democratic to eliminate all DLC, DSCC and DCCC candidates as early as possible.

Sam @ 83:

If this is the best Feingold and the Democrats can do, our country is lost. We are sinking into a fascist state right before our eyes. This has been coming for a long time and now it is upon us. What will the Democrats do about this? Censure Bush, that is a weak half measure. Nothing short of impeachment and removal of office of the President will save our republic. It is up to the Democrats to implore enough Republicans that this is beyond party politics. If Feingold is the strongest progressive senator we have, and he is, we are lost.

You got it. That's the sad truth. The dems are sandbagged from all sides from every remedy that protects us from Rogue Monsters like these. Including impeachment.
Feingold is a wonderful man. He went for this in '04, got voted down and will get voted down again this time. But even with passage it would make no difference whatsoever in the takeover of our gov't. .

The only thing that will be put 'on the table' is perhaps a turquoise knit toiletpaper cozy.

A censure of this President doesn't go far enough!!! Damn right it doesn't and I won't support it.

I can't think of a bigger waste of time and money to debate censure, impeach that mother fucker already. goddamnit the democrats really are a bunch of pussies. They can't even do the right thing when the law backs them up 100%.

Larry from C @ 87:

INHERENT CONTEMPT IS THE ONLY PATH TO IMPEACHMENT

I'll piece it all together for my C&L friends. From the Friday Washington Post:

..."Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR200707...

A subpoenaed Harriet Miers refused to show up before Congress last week citing Executive Privilege even though she no longer works for the executive. As Judiciary Committe chairwoman Linda Sanchez spells out Executive Privilege in this case is nonsense.

http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/Sanchez070712.pdf

There you have it. Bush will NOT ALLOW the Justice Department to investigate any case where he cites Executive Privilege. And he's citing it here even though it doesn't come close to complying with the necessary standards. Therefore, Bush is saying, NOTHING WILL BE INVESTIGATED. Zero. Nada. None of his crimes will be looked into. And therefore IMPEACHMENT disappears into the ether. Because the only way Impeachment will happen is if a crime (that the public can easily understand) is uncovered that's linked directly to the President or Vice President.

There's one way around this. INHERENT CONTEMPT. Congress says FU to the President. Congress becomes the Judiciary and tries Harriet Miers and Josh Bolton in their Chamber. This is a Constitutional right of the Congress. With Bush's pledge to never allow contempt charges to be pursued when he claims Executive Privilege its the only way an impeachable crime will be uncovered.

On July 19 John Conyers said this in a letter to Harriet Miers attorney Fred Fielding: "Please let me know in writing by 10 am on July 23 2007, whether Mr. Bolten will comply. If I do not hear from you by then, the Committee will have no choice but to consider appropriate recourse."

http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/Conyers070719.pdf

If John Conyers chooses INHERENT CONTEMPT as the "appropriate recourse" the republic has a chance. If not, then Bush crimes will never be investigated and Impeachment will never happen. Bush will continue committing these crimes and even bigger ones. As will the next President (its precedent now). We should know what path the country will be taking tomorrow morning. Yet few are even aware this momentus event is upon us.

Sign me up for supporting "INHERENT CONTEMPT".

Can They Make The Case For Impeachment?

From the run up to this war, to the continued waste of human life, we have not connected a logical series of dots that would explain and free us from this war.

We know the truth; I almost hate to say it because its been said so much. There were know WMDs, which were the primary reason given for going into this war. Well get this. When our president reflected on what he told Saddam Hussein he needed to do to prevent this war, I recall Hussein's officials frantically denying any existence of WMDs or any plans to acquire them. Our president had the nerve to say it was Hussein's choice to go to war because he would not heed his warnings. These are the continued reasons our president post for going to war in Iraq.

The saddest thing concerning Bush's actions is he could not say there were no WMDs, and he was wrong. After 600,000 lives loss, this Mother fucker is still talking as though he found the WMDs. Hell, he is either drinking or in denial so deep he cannot face any reality associated with the massive loss of human life his actions are responsible for. He has to obtain some sense of glory or he has to face the fact he is the same murderer Hussein is.

Even more sadder then Bush's inability to accept the truth is the media's inability to report the truth objectively. It appears, Fox news and their wantabees, CNN and MSNBC, by competing for conservative viewer-ship, have increased the president's powers exponentially. Before president lied to the American people Al Qaeda in Iraq was the principal force in Iraq, the media, for months, made the president's case by connecting everything to Al Qaeda in Iraq. The media's action served as a kind of subliminal programming, so that when Bush announced we were fighting Al Qaeda In Iraq, the public went along with it and did not equate it to an attempt to buy more time in Iraq. All Americans think Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, so they would not support the democrats attempts to remove our troops out of Iraq if they thought we were engaging Al Qaeda.

The Al Qaeda in Iraq claim alone is grounds for impeachment because it seeks to misinform the American people who is fighting this war for the sake of protecting oil interest. I could think of nothing else but the reported request, by Oil companies, for half the oil revenue generated from Iraqi oil production as a reason for staying in Iraq.

Joseph

#91 Danny...the way you sign up is by calling the Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committe and demanding Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten be charged with INHERENT CONTEMPT:

John Conyers (D) Michigan 1-202-225-5126
Howard L. Berman (D) California 1-202-225-3196
Rick Boucher (D) Virginia 1-202-225-3861
Jerrold Nadler (D) New York 1-202-225-5635
Robert C. Scott (D) Virginia 1-202-225-8351
Melvin Watt (D) North Carolina 1-202-225-1510
Zoe Lofgren (D) California 1-202-225-3072
Sheila Jackson Lee (D) Texas 1-202-225-3816
Maxine Waters (D) California 1-202-225-2201
Martin Meehan (D) Massachusetts 1-202-225-3411
Bill Delahunt (D) Massachusetts 1-202-225-3111
Robert Wexler (D) Florida 1-202-225-3001
Loretta Sánchez, (D) California 1-202-225-6676
Steve Cohen (D) Tennessee 1-202-225-3265
Hank Johnson (D) Georgia 1-202-225-1605
Luis Gutierrez (D) Illinois 1-202-225-8203
Brad Sherman (D) California 1-202-225-5911
Anthony Weiner (D) New York 1-202-225-6616
Adam Schiff (D) California 1-202-225-4176
Artur Davis (D) Alabama 1-202-225-2665
Debby Wasserman Schultz (D) Florida 1-202-225-7931
Keith Ellison (D) Minnesota 1-202-225-4755
Tammy Baldwin (D) Wisconsin 1-202-225-2906

Let me shorten up my post #91 because apparently I'm not getting through.

Impeachment will not happen because Bushco. told the Washington Post on Friday that he will NOT let the Justice Dept. investigate any case where he cites Executive Privilege. And he's citing Executive Privilege on EVERYTHING!! Even cases that don't involve the Executive!

No INVESTIGATION + No trial + NO Guilty Verdict = NO IMPEACHMENT

I don't see any other path to impeachment. Do you? If so please explain how!

Mister Anderson @ 84:

No one hates the Bush administration more than me, but all of this censure and impeachment talk doesn't have any legs. The nation is politically exhausted so no one wants another dog and pony show. We just want the Congress to box in Bush from causing further harm and get us to the 08 election where we can make a long overdue change. All of this stuff may have been warranted back in 05 or even 06, but with almost 18 months left, it's just a big waste of time.

I too, would like to see impeachment, but like many of the posters, I know the votes are not there (yet) in the Senate. And, yes, censure is toothless, but it is doable. BEFORE these motherfuckers leave office something must be done. The American people must go on record that this asshole and his gang do not represent the core beliefs of our country. It must be done while the fucking gangster is still president. Only that way can the process of restoring the honor and good name of the United States begin to be restored. If we can get impeachment in addition, more the better.

I think you've got to hand it to President Bush: fighting terroists and liberals at the same time and winning! You people have been on the megalomanical diet of 'Hate Bush' since he won the election in 2000. Yawn. Must really piss you off. Gottaloveit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

For all you sensitive '90s guys that don't have a clue.

This would do something (censure) if the Dem's were not actually supporting the war behind the backs of their supporters. They have the mandate to do what they want to end the war including ending the FUNDING! Thats the only want it will ever end.

People have to remember that Democrats and Republicans are BOTH war parties who have special interests. Kucinich knows this thats why he will not support anything but complete cut to the funding. The other Democrats will just run the war more low key, possibly by using tribes and militias to get control of the oil. The meddling in the world has to stop of solders will never stop dieing for oil. Vote Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, or Mike Gravel. I prefer Paul but if you can't bring yourself to do it the other two are not bought and paid for at least.

I disagree with this idea, and Feingold gives the reason not to do it through the backdoor: it may not take up so much time and allow the Congress to get on with the important business.

But if it passes, it will be seen as sufficient, and the real business of impeachment and removal will be put in the corner.

Impeach.
and.
Convict.
Now!
Both of them.

The survival of the republic is at stake.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

jeez, the dems are a pathetic party now. more useless "resolutions" that mean nothing.

but they know the corporate bottom line. so, we get no justice. and they get raises.

Rather than censure, this entire Administration should be impeached and prosecuted. But it won't happen.

It is a sad, sad commentary on the COWARDICE of SPINELESS DEMOCRATS that not even a mere censure resolution can make it out of committee. Disgraceful.

This Democratic party is dysfunctional. Here's how the democracy works around the world. If there are people in your political party that undermine the very existence and purpose of the group, chosen by the people to work for the people, yet if by the inner destruction caused by a few individuals the party no longer serves the common good of the people, MOREOVER, if these entities cause your party to achieve the lowest approval rating imaginable, lower than that of Bush and the traitors and criminals around him, you grab the thugs by the throats and kick them the fuck out. It is usually done by the party leadership controlling the mandates of every member. Just a thought. Thank You

Here are the spineless/gutless girly democrats in action again. Probably 99 percent of the dumb shits in this country (the same as saying 99 percent of the country) don't even know what the hell the word "censure" means! The guy O'l Russ wants to "censure" has a 19 percent job approval rating in his cheesehead state of WI and Russ wants to have everybody say naughty naughty boy you shouldn't do that now should you. Then these same democrats wonder why they don't consistently win elections when Karl says they don't have the balls to fight terrorism. Go get um Russ. You go boy!

Feingold's interview... shamefully ignorant.

So, criminal activities that most certainly deserve impeachment, don't because it may tie up 'normal business'?

The most very basic element of 'normal business' for Feingold, IS his Oath of Office; To Defend and Support the Constitution. Anything less is treasonous to OUR business and an abject failure of his duty.

He can start by upholding his Oath of Office as the measure of this 'normalcy'. If Congress had already, we wouldn't be bogged down with such criminality to have to face in the 'daily business'.

Now, I understand that Feingold is in the Senate, and that the Senate doesn't hold impeachment hearings. The best Feingold can do, under the circumstances IS a Censure. But to provide political cover for the Neo-commie Fascists we call the Republican Party makes me sick.

He's arguing for more of this 'status quo'.

Wuss Feingold... arguably the most revered Pussy in the Senate.

A day late and a dollar short.

Gee Russ, thanks for nothing.

Feingold is a Vichy democrat. He doesnt believe in the rule of law and works to further the ends of the enemies of democracy.

Great work from Russ.

One thing, though. Why does he keep referring to Bush's illegal snooping as 'terrorist surveillance'? That's just parroting the WH spin. Once again the Reichwing gets to frame debate by defining the terms.

I'm sick of weak willed Democrats. R's and D's have been playing good cop bad cop with the American people for too long. The are two sides of the same coin serving basically the same interests while providing the illusion of choice and accountability. Show me a Democrat that is proving otherwise. This country doesn't need a third party, it needs at least three more parties to REPLACE the "two" we are already stuck with.

LarryofC@116, not any of the above. call it a september surprise.

This is a very bad idea...

all it will do is make the Dems look weak because it won't pass...

and it is not an accepable substitute for impeachment or for criminal charges after these turds are out of office...

also, we do not want to provide these turds with a notion that they had been held accountable by virtue of a censure...

a censure is simply not enough...

Someone above said only 45% of the country is for impeachment. That is for Bush. I think the figures are reversed, 54%, for the impeachment of Cheney. But either way, I think those figures are a good starting point because once the evidence against either Bush or Cheney starts coming out, that is a good position from which the percentage will grow.

This is a waist of time. Illegal actions and out right disprespect of Constitutional princples have taken place with this Bush admin. For peaks sake people need to grow a pair and call these people out for what they really are. CRIMINALS

Shoplifters get harsher punishments then these people?

The world is coming to an end.

Censure maybe a temporary solution to desolving the chief in crime but does not solve the problem that..........HE already has expanded the Presidential powers through his 1100 presidential signing amendments. IMPEACHMENT is necessary to illegitimize all the amendments to expand the power of the executive branch. The BALANCE of power among the three Branches of Government is no longer equal. Our government is nearly operating as a dictatorship..........which means the RIGHTS of its citizens ARE already compromised.

The President and VP must be investigated for these CRIME against our citizens. The ABUSES against our nation, it's citizens and our rules of LAW is in itself a violation of the OATH these "public servants" promised when they began to take control of the office.

The moment they broke the LAW anything they did after that day is NO LONGER ligitimate. It is already publicly know that happened when the BUSH ADMINISTRATION led this nation into a WAR based on LIES. They became illegitimate and the degree of crime became more and more serious as they continued to hid the facts from the Congress and the Citizens they serve. They have become a WAR criminals when they violated the Geneva Convention, Herbas Corpus, illegally spying on American Citizens, conspiring to fire US Attorneys for political purposes and to install judges that they control to serve their agenda. They became a criminal when they tortured POW. They became criminals when they defied subpeonas called by the Congress. They became criminals when they squandered billions of taxpayers dollars to enriched Halliburton through a NO-Bid contract and failed to hold them unaccountable for the millions of dollars missing and the alleged overcharges billed to the US Government. They became a party to negligence when they hire inexperienced cronies and big-money contributors to high positions in order to infiltrate the government and take a unilateral control by those in the Executive Branch in essense expanding the control of departments that SHOULD be run independently for better internal control and a separation of duties and power AND most importantly to avoid a conflict of interest.

They have became a criminal when they secretly constructed one of the LARGEST US Government COMPLEX in IRAQ and lying to the AMERICAN that this government had NO intent in occupying IRAQ. They have become criminals when they knew that Hurricane Katrina weeks before that Hurricane Katrina was about to launch a devastation that would leave one of our most historic city (New Orleans) in our nation under water and resulting in thousands of deaths and destruction and leaving the citizens neglected for years aftermath. They have become criminals when they have left a hole in WTC and blamed it on Terrorist, when in fact they knew they have conspired to make this devastation happen so that they can wage a calculated attack on Afghanistan and IRAQ and linking the un-narrowed, undefined, unclarified WAR-ON-TERROR.....so that the executive branch can expand it power and to re-write the power of the commander in chief to expand his power at a time of "WAR" (this is exploitation). The fear game had help accomplished public support. They have become criminals when they conspired to expose Valerie Plame covert CIA identity.

But the most SERIOUS crimes committed is KNOWINGLY using our military might and placing our soldiers in harms way; which killed 3600 of our soliers and counting and wounded thousands more and the hundred of thousands of Afghans and IRAQUIS, for reasons other than for the interest of securing this NATION but for rather the interest of controlling OIL resources of another nation for the OIL industries. AND the war-profiteers and the profits from re-building of a nation after its destruction and lying to the WORLD that they did it to promote freedom and democracy to a NATION who has riches reserve in OIL. It was an act of piracy at lease and at BEST it is a fellonious crime against HUNDRED of thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE and an INFRA-structure that these people built for themselves. It is the GRANDEST Crime perpetrated by these body of GOVERNMENT under the partnership of those GIANT-CORPORATE leadership and interest. Futhermore these unprecedent CRIMES committed by NOT the UNITED STATES but clearly by those in the WHITE HOUSE who had made these SERIOUS decision should BE held ACCOUNTABLE and REMOVED from OFFICE and most importantly illigitimize and REVERSE all that they have done to EXPAND the POWER of the PRESIDENT. Otherwise......WE the PEOPLE will have reduced our RIGHTS as citizens over the ACTIONS and INACTIONS and the ability to demand our government to remove TYRANTSPARENT and to require and demand our government to be transparent to its people.

IMPEACHMENT is the first STEP to curing the ill-advice and inappropriate actions of our government. We have to examine the damage and assess what changes they made that weakened our system of DEMOCRACY that served this country well over 200 years and reverse it immediately BEFORE the NEXT election and the NEXT PRESIDENT. NOT doing IMPEACHMENT will enable the expanded power of the office of the PRESIDENT to continue and it will BE difficult or become IMPOSSIBLE to reverse it. If it is possible, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN in the NEXT PRESIDENTIAL term. It may take a REVOLUTION from the people to reverse this change.

WE the PEOPLE can not realistically EXPECT the current Presidential Candidates to support IMPEACHMENT because the REWARD of EXPANDED POWER is GREAT for the next PRESIDENT. The CONGRESS or the SENATE can not be expected to ACT on their OWN to begin this process of IMPEACHMENT.

IT IS IMPERATIVE that THE PEOPLE do its CIVIL DUTY and their POWER to MAKE this CHANGE. Otherwise WE the PEOPLE will NO longer have OUR liberty to exercise our RIGHTS as AMERICANS because NOT doing our reponsibility is in essence..........GIVING UP your RIGHT to those POLITICIANS that is suppose to serve us and our interest. Instead they are destroying the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS and seriously worsening the situation for those AMERICANS who are struggling to find a way out of poverty.

For Speaker Pelosi to ABUSE her political power over the CONGRESS to keep the ONE REMEDY available to remove these criminals in the WHITE HOUSE is in itself a act of being COMPLICIT. This reluctancy to apply IMPEACHMENT must be EXAMINED closely.

FOLLOW THE MONEY. QUESTION their ASSOCIATES. There are over 300 million AMERICAN people in AMERICA that has an interest in this government. A FEW have lobbied and successfully persuaded these politicians into going for the CORPORATE interest at the expense of the CITIZENS and TAXPAYERS of this NATION.

THEY MUST BE STOPPED sooner than LATER. It must be done before the NEXT ELECTION, before the NEXT PRESIDENCY; otherwise "the draining of the swamp" that Speaker Pelosi used in her campaign in November 2006 and promised to the AMERICAN people would have been just another POLITICAL Rhetorics......a False promise.

AMERICA call your representative................IT IS LONG OVER-DUE...........they need our supervision! If this was a corporation WE the PEOPLE are the BOARD MEMBERS...... The findings are SERIOUS..........and their ...........JOB EVALUATION is due............. If they fail to perform their job for the PEOPLE of this NATION............they need to be removed, and their pension should not be rewarded. They can QUALIFY for the maximum rate of UNEMPLOYMENT compensation just like every citizens in this Country.........if they want to.

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What bothers me is the air that these reasons are supposed to mean something to Wuss.

In Wuss's words, "...misleading statements [read LIES] that have continued throughout the war,... this administration's outrageous attack on the rule of law, all the way from the illegal terrorist surveillance program [read SPYING] to their attitude about torture,... This administration has assaulted the Constitution,... [on the AG] of being intentionally misleading [read to mean a LIAR], and of not taking responsibility for everything from the disastrous consequences of the Patriot Act to the U.S. attorneys debacle,... and it sets the stage for setting the historical record here, which is that this administration has done the greatest assault on our Constitution perhaps in American history,... even the polls show it, for actually impeaching the president and the vice president,... I think that they have committed impeachable offenses,... the American people are outraged at the way they've been treated,... they have weakened our country, weakened our country militarily and against al-Qaeda, and weakened our country's fundamental document, the Constitution,... They [the people] are outraged at the dishonesty that they have been subjected to. The American people—we deserve better than the way we've been treated,... , for example, Gordon Smith, who actually said on the floor of the Senate that this Iraq situation may be—have criminal elements. He actually said the word criminal,... This administration has weakened America in a way that is frightful at one of the most important times when we need to be strong. And we as a Congress have to reflect this tragedy,"

And so what does he propose?
A hand slap and a butt pat.

All talk, and a show of no walk.
Wuss Feingold, the boldest sissy in the Senate.

I respect him enough to challenge his logic and laugh to his face when he does not make sense.

He might as well lay cover for other good rapists too.
For he sees the crimes comitted yet refuses to call out the crime nor criminal.

So, what does he give us? "What I am proposing is a moderate course, not tying up the Senate and the House with an impeachment trial, but simply passing resolutions [toothless votes of no confidence],... I think that's a reasonable course and does not get in the way of our normal work."

A TOOTHLESS COMPROMISE?
SCREW THAT!

The Senate's 'NORMAL WORK' is Dependant upon their Oath of Office. For that is the ONLY affirmation they take to stay focused on a center of agreed 'NORMALCY'. Wuss is settling for a compromise here.

UNACCEPTABLE!

He had an opportunity to bat the idea of impeachment back to the House, live on T.V. by saying something to the effect of, "I'm moving to Censure, because the House sits idle on Impeachment." But instead, he quashes the validity and necessity of Impeachment touting the DNC talking point... it will take too long.

ABC News just made an announcement that a possible terrorist attack on U.S. soil maybe likely.

Note: I don't dispute that there maybe an attack on U.S. Soil. This tactic has been used before to employ FEAR in the psyche of the AMERICAN PUBLIC to justify a retributable attack on the attacker.

My question IS...............Since the 9/11 incident which was an attack launched by AL QUEDA/ Osam Bin Ladin........ (ALLEDGE and SPECULATED by those in the White House and the Pentagon and CIA which V.P Cheney had an unprecedented power over this agency that is suppose to be independent of the Executive Branch and marketed to the AMERICAN public by the main-stream media and funded by neo-con propagandaist).....the BUSH/ADMINISTRATION has made a CONFIDENT CLAIM that.......they have INSTALLED the most "EFFECTIVE and Competent" HOMELAND SECURITY in our NATION................and further laminated their claim which explain why WE (United States) have not been ATTACKED since 9/11.

IF......they were so EFFECTIVE and COMPETENT and POSITIVELY certain that these "TERRORIST" is in our soil to launch another ATTACK equal to or greater than the 9/11 incident, Then why don't they DECLASSIFY these intelligence and warn the possible CITIES in our nation that is a target so that the PEOPLE can be proactive in protecting themselves AND pro-active in participating on protecting their area?

IS this ANOTHER PLOY to deceive the nation and to creat FEAR?

There IS some things that is certain............OUR GOVERNMENT has lied to the citizens of this NATION and our government has not been transparent.

What what WHAT!?!

Sadly though, the Dems will ignore any attempt to punish the Codpiece in Chief...

IMPEACH the VP & President before the Presidential Election in 2008. It is important that WE send a message that WE will not tolerate EXPANDED PRESIDENTIAL POWER.

IMPEACH the VP & President before the Presidential Election in 2008. It is important that WE send a message that WE will not tolerate EXPANDED PRESIDENTIAL POWER.

IMPEACH the VP & President before the Presidential Election in 2008. It is important that WE send a message that WE will not tolerate EXPANDED PRESIDENTIAL POWER.

IMPEACH the VP & President before the Presidential Election in 2008. It is important that WE send a message that WE will not tolerate EXPANDED PRESIDENTIAL POWER.

IMPEACH the VP & President before the Presidential Election in 2008. It is important that WE send a message that WE will not tolerate EXPANDED PRESIDENTIAL POWER.

Freaked-Out Canadian @ 14:

What, exactly, would the President have to do to warrant impeachment?

You would think that torture, the politicization theocratization of government departments, illegal spying on citizens, secret prisons, rendition, ignoring the rule of law, manipulating intelligence, an illegal war, and manifest incompetence on almost every front, both domestic and foreign, might be enough.

Oooooo! A censure motion. Boy, that'll stop George and Dick in their tracks! They'd never bomb Iran once they'd been censured.

(sigh)

I think he would have to actually perform "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.. Since he hasn't done that, nor any of the slander in your second paragraph, it's doubtful he'll be impeached.