The Red Nightmare
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Jul 25, 2007 8:33am(Guest blogged by Nonny Mouse)
Love the age of the internet. A bit of Googling around with what fragments of what I could remember, and voila!
To watch it again after nearly 1/2 a century, though, was chilling, particularly the ending - the best and most concrete spelling out of what exactly 'freedom' meant. It's a word W seems particularly fond of spouting, and a word that too many Americans now wouldn't have the faintest idea of how to define, since just about every freedom this film warned us we were in danger of losing... we've lost. It's an eerily prescient film - but not in the way it was intended to be.I never realized it - but it seems the neoCons aren't Republican Nazis -they're actually Red Communists - and the Communist plot to take over America has finally come to fruition.
Comrade Mouse
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yes john coltrane. yes a love supreme.
Totalitarianism by any other name would not smell so badly.
it started here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMACzBomDK4
jack webb is hilarious
Can't agree with you. Republican Nazism is a better analogy. Both communism and Nazism worked to restrict freedom. However, communism sought to nationalize all industries. That is hardly a neocon goal.
great historic artifact -- you can find the whole thing at the internet archive (archive.org)
now I'm off to my reeducation class!
Comrade Temperance
We have met the enemy, and they is us.
as an african american i laugh everytime i hear you guys talk as though america ever was a place of freedom. of course if you are an upper middle class to upper class white male then you had and still do have all the freedom this country could offer. as for the rest of us, women and people of color, freedom has always been a struggle since day one.
Another movie that sounded the alarm is "The Quiet Storm" with James Stewart and Margaret Sullivan (1940). Saw it on Turner Classic Movie channel a couple of months ago - very chilling perspective of freedom of thought and speech, and the need to preserve it at all times. Also co-starred Robert Stack ("Unsolved Mysteries; The Untouchables") and Robert Young ("Marcus Welby; Father Knows Best") as Nazi recruits who didn't realize until it was too late that loyalty to Hitler meant either jailing their family members who openly disagreed with Hitler (Sullivan, who played their sister, and Stewart who was her boyfriend).
Despite James Stewart's racist tendencies (he objected to being on some show on NBC during the 1970's because African-American Hal Williams would be in a starring role) I find when he plays good parts, I separate him as an actor, from Stewart as a bigot, and I found "The Quiet Storm" to be one of his best roles, not to mention the preciousness of not allowing a country to be swept up in fascism. And this movie was made just before the bombing at Pearl Harbor - but Europe and Germany, in particular, was in the process of being caught up in Hitler's madness.
Still relevant almost 70 years later.
Have to agree that the Nazis provided us with more fuel for the homegrown variety. Before that war was even over, before we tackled the "red menace," people in our government had already demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice Americans and their rights to dark objectives.
But anything that points up what democratic freedoms are, is quite welcome and worth posting.
i will also add, that i would never want to go back to your so called good old days. the more freedom you had, the more the rest of us suffered the consequences of it.
Wrong. Do you even know what communism is? There is no common usage definition. One man defined it. Its is essentially anarchy, no government restrictions at all. You need to learn the difference is between communism and socialism. Maybe you should spend more time reading rather than googling.
Um, the BBC reported that our president's grandfather tried to overthrow American with a fascist coup during the depression yesterday. That's the BBC! In what world do you live in where that is not a giant headline? This is getting bizzarro . . . the mainstream blogs are not different than the MSM. C&L, Kos, FDL, what are you thinking? How are they controling you to make you blind to such headlines.
As Philip Larkin once asked, "What aren't you screaming?"
Please please reply and tell me why Bareny Fife is more important.
The enemy with... The BBC ~ The Whitehouse Coup
Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen
Nonny Mouse rocks
Weather you want to say the Neo-Con's are like Commies or like Nazi's it doesn't matter because there is no difference. These idiots will only be happy with a dictator, and the sad part is the dip shit citizens who vote for them don't even realize it and if you try to explain it to them they just won't hear it, no matter what facts, no matter what! I'm convinced the Bush could walk into some of these peoples homes and shit on their whole family and all they would say is "it's going to be a cold winter and George just wants to be sure we are warm and protected.
I've never before had such a feeling that our once great country is now all but hopeless and it makes me weep.
Nazis...commies..neocons...whatever. Same core source of inspiration. Just different rhetoric that is crafted to appeal to their target market. Different faces of the same monster. Bush falls right in with them. He was just installed to help them play out their endgame.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
hadenuf @ 2:
Like totally.
I've been calling them Stalinists for at least the last three years. It seemed a much more obvious comparison than the also well earned Nazi comparison.
Is there really any difference between the communist goals and what our farm/oil/pharmacy subsidies do?
Well yeah, we do it to empower the owners of said industries (which really isn't any different from what communism ended up doing.) Communists became fascists.
ysbaddaden @ 18:
Я интересую если первыа американцы для того чтобы осмотреть эту пленку, декады тому назад, смогли представить свое comedic значение в США George Bush. Вы Comrade Mouse!
but it seems the neoCons aren’t Republican Nazis -they’re actually Red Communists - and the Communist plot to take over America has finally come to fruition.
Okay. Despite the protestations above, you are more correct than not. While it is true that the "Communists" could not have come to power in Soviet Russia without the aid of western industrialists and financiers, the same could be said of Hitler's Nazi party, Italy's and Spain's Fascist parties, and for that matter, just about any totalitarian, authoritarian government that there has been for the past century-plus.
True communism, however, has only been seen a scant few times in the world's history, with the best results coming from the Jewish people. When you really want to see why the fight against "Communism" was waged so fiercely, look no further than the seething hatred the Catholic Church has always had against the Jews. Pope Benedict's revival of the Latin Mass underscores this loathing quite well.
That said, what you are now witnessing today is the culmination of an age-old plan to have all the religions of the earth battle each other while at the same time teaming-up to fight those who are agnostic or atheist, as the Globalist Elite hate all these entities/groups, because they are Satanic miscreants who piss themselves in glee whenever mass carnage and death erupts - which, today, happens on a daily basis.
Evil people enjoy evil deeds, whether they or someone else are committing them. It's all the same to them.
Welcome to the New World Order. Next destination: Total anarchy amongst the general populace.
..just da facts, Maham, just da facts...
seventyseven @ 12:
seventyseven is actually very close. communism would actually offer MORE freedom for the majority. it's not that there is NO government. but unlike socialism it doesn't depend on the government to control the resources and distribute it equally. communism simply says that the people have control and equal access to the resources. basically communism is the ultimate democracy.
ps if anyone here thinks what we currently have is democracy then i suggest you look up "republic"
Notice how the Racist Nazis Committee (RNC) and the Fascist NeoCons' as usual try to mininimize and trivialize and twist as usual, I am refering to some of the comments made by the contributors to this comment section. Even when faced with a mirror they try and discount it and twist it. Yup now to say your a reblican is to say you are a Racist Nazis Committee(RNC) or a Fascist NeoCon or a right wing Christian HATE Nut, glad I am not in that catergory.
ysbaddaden @ 18:
Bollocks. To hell with that hippie bullshit.
Freedom is NOT just another word for nothing left to lose - DESPERATION is the word for "nothing left to lose". "Nothing left to lose" means you have no freedom whatsoever - you are driven by necessity - you cannot risk another loss as you HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE. I have decided that every time that idiotic meme comes across my plate, I will refute it.
Oh by the way - the coming energy crunch will dispose of the American Empire. So, don't worry - the exurbs (which are overwhelmingly reichwing) will simply die off. We won't get an apocalypse - we don't deserve one. Mexico's Cantarell is in rapid decline. The UK no longer exports oil, and Norway will follow suit within 5 years, as the North Sea is in decline. The USA with it idiot millions driving SUVs all over suburbia will invade whoever they can to keep their war machine rolling and Twinkies on the shelves for the fat lazy retards called American Citizens. But, it is a limited resource, and they will run out of places to invade and oil to invade it with.
The Empire will collapse and the World will piss on its grave.
Oh, and if you are into Googling, check out "Hegelianism." You will find it quite enlightening, I think, as it explains the entire past 150 years or so quite well.
You'll come to realize that the Prussian philosopher Hegel has been the most influential philosopher in the history of the USofA.
That is why I have been calling them Яepublikans
They even have a flag - check it out.
too many comments on here are confusing fascism with communism. please take a moment to just consort a dictionary. they aren't the same thing.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 16:
Alas, it makes quite a lot of difference; without understanding of the past you never own the present.
The commenters who have pointed out that the freedoms we formerly enjoyed have been sacrificed to a fascist state are correct, for fascism is based, as our present national security state is based, on fear. On the idea that unless we hurt others our (so-called) "security" will suffer. On the basis of that fear we will have to eliminate the Jews, we will have to put all the Japs in concentration camps, we will have to invade Iraq.
Communism by essential contrast is an effort at liberation of the working poor. Stringent measures are required to overturn the rule of the rich, which has been in place since . . . well, a very long time indeed. Re-education, quite unnecessary to a fascist, is absolutely essential to a communist system.
The fascist system which has come to dominate the United States since World War Two was already in the course of being developed at the time this film was made.
To a large extent, it is a kind of ironic cover for a process of Big Lie. Start with the town with which the movie opens. Does it exist? It is not in Russia, but in the United States. The very existence of such a training camp is a fantasy on a number of levels, something like the Soviets saying that the CIA is the source of all Russian dissidents.
To return to the main point. We get the government we deserve. We have a national security state in the United States that fits very well the fascist model. We got to thisw point by believing in force and repression rather than trust and love.
"but it seems the neoCons aren’t Republican Nazis -they’re actually Red Communists - and the Communist plot to take over America has finally come to fruition."
Oh good heavens. the political discourse in this country is so backwards and polluted; due to 50 years of cold war hysteria and business propoganda. No, NEOCONS are NOT COMMUNISTS. ALL AUTHORITARIANS are not COMMUNISTS. SIMPLE VENN DIAGRAM, you should have learned it in GRADE SCHOOL.
CORPORATIONS ARE NOT COMMUNIST. THEY ARE CAPITALIST.
ALL IDEOLOGIES are GANGSTERIST.
The stupidity of conflating capitalism with antinomianism is something that needs to be called out. Stop doing it. Please. You're making dialog impossible.
Neocons are Straussians. All you need to know about them comes from his concept of the "Noble Lie".
I agree with Tim #32
you guys are need to look up your economic definitions. you people are extremely lacking in education in this area.
Walker @ 33:
I'm sorry, Walker, but they are Hegelians first-and-foremost.
Walker @ 33:
THX for this.
It's the Same Old Sh*t
'First Red Scare' (1917–1920)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
The Palmer Raids were a series of controversial raids by the U.S. Justice and Immigration Departments from 1919 to 1921 on the radical left in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Raids
Yah yah it's always "The Left's Fault". Ever notice that?
Яepublikans are like the government of the USSR...
Not really communist, but totalitarian central planners who value loyalty to a leader and a party. The government functions for the profit of a few using mafia like compliance techniques, control of the media to spread fear in the population and spending vast sums on the Military Industrial Complex.
Oligopoly defined.
The differences between Stalinist Communism and Fascism are in the political nuances. To the people living under either type of regime, the nuances really don't matter that much. Under Soviet style Communism the means of production and distribution were controlled directly by the state, through a group of very powerful bureaucrats with the approval of the central government. Under Fascism the means of production and distribution were controlled by the largest corporations, with the approval of the central government.
The Sherman Act seems to be ignored anymore, at least since the dawn of Voodoo Economics. Free Market economics, at least in America, is anything but free unless you're already among the corporate elite. There is no real competition against the largest companies, who grow larger and larger without government regulation. Political favor is given to the few who already control production and distribution, it matters not to most of us whether it's given by a ideologically driven central government, or is simply bought and paid for like any other commodity.
Capitalism is not a form of government. Communism does not have to be a totalitarian state. Fascism is the combining of government and corporate interests. We are supposed to live in a democratic representative republic. We are getting very close to living in a theocracy with overwhelming corporate interests.
Is that a Red State (Republican) official?
Tim #32 is correct. The educational system in the US is abysmal, especially in regards to teaching economic and political systems. Not surprising, though.
Communism, defined by Marx, simply is an economic system that is inevitable (according to Marx). That is, human economic history moves from feudalism, to capitalism, to socialism, then ends with communism, where everyone owns the means of production and resources equally, and the state (government) withers away and dies. The problem, of course, is that it assumes, somehow, that human nature changes dramatically, to allow people to live without government and there is no greed, no killing, etc....It is a Utopian concept.
Socialism is the stage where this economic "equality" must be forced upon society; people are reeducated. This requires a "dictatorship of the proletariat" (the working people), which is where Soviet Russia, communist China, etc... come in. It requires a dictatorship. Of course, once a few have power......there's that human nature again!
Fascism is particular to an individual country. Totalitarian as well, it's means is different that socialism and communism. The underlying commonality with fascism is a dictatorship, based on fear and nationalism (used as a tool to justify the dictatorship). The nationalism is what makes fascism somewhat different within each country based on it's history.
The US is, and has always been, far more fascist leaning, and it has always been the threat here. Not communism, since economic greed and capitalism are deeply engrained in the American psyche. When you realize than over half of the population in the US disagrees with the Bill of Rights when they are rephrased, you can see how, politically, the US is more susceptible to fasicsm.
Over 50% of Americans wouldn't mind a fascist dictatorship, I believe, as long as economically they can maintain their status.
Unfortunately, once rights are taken away with one group, it inevitably encroaches on all other groups. By that time it's too late. We are well on this path now.
Thrown in to this mix is the "christian right", which was used as a pawn, with their eyes closed, taken in as a means to gain power by these fascist neocons. There is nothing "christian" about Bush, Cheney, et al.......but the desire by people to be blinded is amazing, really. By the time even they open their eyes, it will be far too late.
Dahgrostab’ph-r-i #16 is right......."I’ve never before had such a feeling that our once great country is now all but hopeless and it makes me weep."
I've said it many times before: Communism and "trickle down economics" is the same thing: your money is being taken away and given to someone who is trusted to use it to "improve the condition of those in need". The only difference between the two is that it is given to a different group of greedy motherfuckers.
Bingo !!! Nationalists are Communists clothed in Christianity. And nationalist have been dominating the top eschelon of this administration.
mister mix @ 25:
Communism as Leninism or Stalism had the high ranking politburo as the Vanguard of the Revolution so it wasn't freedom from the State, but oppression by the State. Captalism and Communism are economic theories not governmental ones. That was Marx's mistake, making all social problems and history about class (economic) struggles, and himself as a secular messiah. Republics can take two forms. Ancient Rome's was oligarchical, whereas ours is democratic, which means to say we vote for representatives to vote in our stead on important issues.
As long as WE ALL have at least one firearm in our homes we will always be free. All the comrads in uniform have guns but the people do not. GET A GUN--or two--with plenty of ammo. You want to keep your freedom, then you have to be ready to fight for it. Remember the phrase, "Freedom is not free"? The Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendemnt for that reason--protect ourselves from tyranny in all its ugly forms.
Why not just call it the United States of Animal Farm?
Stalinism.
I should also add that our way of financing elections blurs the distinction between representatives voting the will of the People, and representatives essentially being bribed by wealthy elites through campaign contributions. The latter turns the system back toward an oligarchy.
I'm sorry Ollie.
That's another fine mess you've gotten us into!
I'd watch this, but its a half hour long! And Jerry Springer is on in ten minutes. Why should I worry my beautiful mind?
Yes, they are trotskyists. Check out Kristol's daddy. Every man woman and child in Iraq has medical coverage compliments of the US taxpayer. Sadly, their life expectancy is shortened. A nicer way of labeling the bastards is "International Socialist".
Yes the communist nightmare they used to terrify us years ago has finally come true in America - and China owns us.
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i so hope duke s doesnt mind me "borrowing" his flag... i need to use that as a signature for my letters it rocks sox..
in other news... amazing how the department of fdefense made this film with stars such as jack webb, robert conrad... and even using william lava to write the musical score.. ( he wrote the music score for the flintstones!!)
people dont pay attention to anything... not anymore... i first thought this was an episode of the twilight zone.. it wouldve been appropriate... now if only i could find that twilight zone episode where they thought the aliens were coming and they were all chasing after themselves and all it was was a power outage... that the aliens created and dude said at the end... just turn out one thing of theirs and they will go after themselves.. or something to that effect...
i think the true information age was THEN...not NOW... all there is on this effed up planet is opinionated dribble and nonsensical lies...
46 justice Says:
Read Article I, Section 8, clauses 14 & 15, and Article II, Section 2, clause 1 of the US Constitution, before saying what the Founding Fathers meant in amendment 2.
Funny thing is it talks about the right to BEAR unspecified arms, not own. They can always be issued.
#45- " Ancient Rome's was oligarchical, whereas ours is democratic, which means to say we vote for representatives to vote in our stead on important issues.
democracy is not voting for representatives. This is a representative form of government, a Republic, which is what the USA was. In a democracy, all individuals would vote directly, without the need of a congress.
By voting for a representative, you HOPE they will vote according to your interests, your wishes. However, that is a utopian ideal in itself. The reality is once in power, a representative can vote however they want. You have the ability to throw them out....in the next election (unless they do something illegal which can be proven and that in itself is difficult).
This is NOT a democracy. It's just brainwashing Americans have been fed since early childhood.
Yeah! I had that same revelation several months ago. Stunning, isn't it? They're communists. It's all about the party and the party controls the government, the message and every tiny office and bureau.
ysbaddaden @ 45:
stalism was NOT communism. and we are NOT democratic. you are right about the communism and capitalism being economic theories though. in a democracy the people vote on the issues and the majority rules. we are a republic. that's where we vote on representatives who vote on the issues. and the difference between the russian examples and communism is that the state doesn't control the resources. in a communist society the everyone has the equal control of over the resources. russia was at best socialist. but stalin was ultimately a dictator.
@vittoria falconer
I am so pleased you like my Яepublikan flag with the $ sign inside the fish sign. - One market under god.
Please do use it at will.
I am posting images at my DailyKos diary that can be used by anyone to illustrate blog entries about the people depicted. This is an ongoing project. You can find all the images at my Photobucket collection. It is my hope that people will use them to illustrate blog posts and comments.
I will be glad to consider any requests.
Thanks
seventyseven @ 12:
lol. I'll remember to tell that to my co-worker who is from Russia and grew up during the pre-fall days. I'm sure he'll be glad to know that he was living in anarchy rather than under the Party's thumb.
I guess Jerry will skip the union and PTA meetings either way.
to defeat your enemy, you must become your enemy...
Duke.S @ 38:
That is spot on, USSR was never truly communist, it failed at that completely. BUT... what we were fighting during the "Red Scare" is what we've become. So its Communist in basic American Lingo (which also believes we're a Democracy) but in reality our Republic has moved towards Fascism much like USSR did.
Blue Buddha @ 43:
Please, can't you use the more politically acceptable and banal term, "Redistribution"?
THANK YOU LOGAN!!!
It's about time that people start to realize the true nature of the events in the US. It IS communism, because communism implies government owned (or de facto owned as is the case today in many industries) means of production.
Libertarians have been saying this for a very long time, and have been trying to make people see what is really going on. It isn't a "corporate takeover" of our government. No, the government is the body that has the ability to use force and as such it is the government that determines courses of action on the part of corporations. If a government and a corporation have a disagreement (meaning there is no workaround), then who do you think will eventually win? The government, because they have something the corporations do not: MONOPOLY ON THE USE OF VIOLENCE.
It is akin to a wild west duel whereby one participant is given a bazooka, and the other a fountain pen. Now of course this duel is lob-sided, but like our current mentality, it is only lob-sided because our society not only SANCTIONS this lob-sidedness (i.e. governments MUST rule business with an iron fist), but ENCOURAGES it (anti-trust legislation, minimum wage legislation, "fiscal policy" meaning budget deficits, the list goes on and on). It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that in the long run freedom is doomed. Over the last few generations, bit by bit, law by law, business has been hobbled (which HAS been going on for decades now, I'm truly surprised it hasn't collapsed already). Every single time a new law is passed, it is done in the name of security, or "stability", or looking out for the "little guy". What most people DON'T see are the long term effects of these policies, not only in the economic sense (which can be proven by logic), but also in the sense of setting precendents. Every single new law going against business and freedom could only be passed because it was preceded by another law that went against freedom and business.
Just think, today it would impossible for the President to declare himself a true dictator if the stage wasn't already set for such an event to transpire, meaning our freedoms have been supressed so much for so long that it is only inevitable that someone comes along and finishes what has been started. If it is not Bush, it will be some other evil man. Our society is filled with evil men, and if we create a society whereby evil men get promoted and take ruling positions because that is REWARDED, then of course there will be a dictator eventually. But if we create a society that LIMITS this chance, meaning a completely free market, then it would NEVER HAPPEN. Many brilliant philosophers and academics have been saying this for ages. But if, inch by inch, we take away our freedoms (which VERY MUCH INCLUDE business freedoms), then we have no hope and our society will crumble.
Once again, thank you Logan for convincing yourself that the current tide is toward COMMUNISM, NOT a "corporate takeover" of government. We need to spread this around as much as can, to get this message out to as many people as we can. Only then do we stand an even remote chance of electing someone so overwhelmingly in votes that there is no way to fudge the election in favour of dictatorship. Please please PLEASE vote for someone who wants to SHRINK the size and scope of government. There will always be bad people come and go. Let's stop the mini-Hitlers and mini-Stalins from ever becoming powerful. Let's make these people rob a convenience store and end up in jail.
Hitler could not have come to power if the people didn't support him. Look at the old videos and see the overwhelming support he got from the regular citizens. I absolutely want to scream my head off at the people today who claim that a majority opinion is any basis for morality or action. "If 2/3 of the country agree, then how COULD it be wrong?" 2/3 of Germany agreed with Hitler, but can we say anything moral existed?
The ONLY valid and safe moral is individual freedom, and that includes the freedom to make insane amounts of money (as long as it was made legitimately). As soon as we start to doubt this, and get government to halt this process, we, as a society, have sanctioned them to interfere in our lives in any way from there on.
THIS is why libertarians seem so cold, because it appears they are only concerned about having people make profits. NO. They are concerned about profits AS PART of a much much larger overall ideology. Profits are small potatoes, it's just that they are attacked for this aspect only, not their ideas on freedom and happiness etc, and hence they are forced to defend themselves in this aspect only. When other people see this, they immediately conclude that libertarians are only concerned with profit making. Nothing could be further from the truth. They have a very humanitarian concern for society. You'll never see a libertarian dictator! That should be reason enough to vote for one. A democrat and a republican COULD become dictator, if people let them.
Have you seen Invasion Usa, 1952? A classic of this kind of thing; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_U.S.A._(1952_film). MST3K "did" it in the 1990s. Still just as foolish...
Red Dawn,
I've read the same thing (neo-cons are actually neo-trotskyists), with Leo Strauss (U of C) as their ideological godfather.
I think Nicole Belle and Nonny Mouse should start there own blog.
Oh wait a minute, This is it.
Radian @ 65:
YES!!!
Good job on finding this out. Strauss WAS the inspiration for neo-con shite. ALL ideologies have someone at its philisophical basis. If you want to know exactly where the neo-con ideology comes from, just read his works. Prepare to be angered at what they actually believe.
justice @ 46:
While I agree with gun ownership, but I doubt it would save you from the army.
Whoops, strike that but.
Thanks for the access to the pics Duke! Excellent work BTW! I will be using them in my blog post's!
PEACE!
Yeah, well now that Bin Laden is collaborating with Castro and Chavez, we're facing an Islamo/Muslim/Fascist/COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST/worldwide/global/threat, so it's time to quit getting up in the morning and just stay in bed all day.
Remember the ANTI-COMMIE slogan (paraphrased) "It's better to be dead than in bed with Bush'.
TDoff @ 71:
You forgot all the commies hiding under our beds.
a person @ 69:
Ohhh yesss, strike it HARD!
10-acious D @ 70
Thanks for checking out the work.
For God's sake, who said the Russia or the USSR was communist? They didnt. US propaganda did.
USSR = Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics
The level of this discussion is really pathetic.
While Stalin is perhaps the most obvious chocie for the Bush criminal regimes official mentor please remember the bloodthirsty paranoia of Mao too. In fact I think his 'cult of personality' is much more appropriate. And, while Mao killed, starved, and tortured to death roughly 70 million of his countrymen how many will Bush and his cabal sacrifice and kill to get their pure American empire? 1/10th of Americans? Veto those kiddie health bills? How many Americans in jail today?
'Made in China' is so quickly becoming an ironic expression of the mixture of fascism and capitalism that it must have been dreamt up by Nixon, implemented by Reagan, and now consolidated by Bush. Your choice is now GMO grown-inamerica frankenfood or imported from China and flavored with propylene glycol. Manga America! Manga!
I have a dvd of a movie that was produced by the defense department in the middle of the cold war (as this one is). It is called "Invasion USA".
If anyone has a chance - google it and see it. It is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
The premise is that Americans are too lax and trustful of the Soviets and lo and behold - they invade parachuting in by the millions - complete with American uniforms and all speak English perfectly with absolutely no accent - but when an American soldier standing watch outside of Washington DC - he encounters some other soldiers. and asks: "Who goes their?" Reply: the 72nd from Chicago.
Soldier: Ok pass.................. wait a minute! Say.... who's playing 2nd for the cubs?
Reply: "A cub is a small bear"
Well than all hell breaks loose. It gets better from there.
My favorite part of that old Dragnet episode where Sgt. Friday played the part of the ghost of bushworld yet to come was when Bart Maverick dragged the kids down to the stained glass brainwashing factory and was surprised to see it was a museum, and I don't mean the Creation Museum.
seventyseven @ 75:
I didn't say it was communist. I know what the second 'S' meant in USSR. I ain't dumb.
The USSR was setup by the Globalist Elite in order to forever discredit true communism.
seventyseven @ 75:
Geez, that must be the reason why the only political party in the country at the time was the Kommunisticheskaya Partiya Sovetskogo Soyuza...The COMMUNIST party of the Soviet Union.
In the film, Jerry was wrong when he claimed that the telephone was invented by an American. Though Alexander Graham Bell worked on and obtained a patent for the telephone in the 1870s, he did not become an Anerican citizen until 1882. Also, one wonders if the communists forbade married couples like the Donovans from sleeping in the same bed.
The USSR was an acronym. It stood for THE UNION OF THE SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS.
If Soviet Russia were communist, the acronym would have been USCR. Alas, it wasn't, so it wasn't.
You can call your party whatever you want, but it doesn't mean your party will be what you call it.
seventyseven @ 75:
You have GOT to be joking. Nobody in their right minds would think there is such a difference between socialism and communism to warrant them being separate and distinct forms of society.
Do you even know what these things mean? I don't think you do. Communism is a FORM of socialism. If a country is communist, they are socialist. Socialism is a general term used to describe a society where the government "owns" the means of production (controls, directs, and operates factories, labour, materials, etc). Communism is a term used to describe the WAY of enforcing socialism. Fascism is the other way of enforcement.
The USSR for example enforced socialism by actually taking control of the means of production and owning them. Nazi Germany on the other hand enforced socialism by coercing, threatening, and killing the private owners of the means of production if they did not abide by the Nazi's wishes. This is what can be called "de facto" socialism.
To sit there on your pompous arse and declare on this blog that somehow millions of Americans (and the world for that matter) mistook a country the size of the USSR to be something ELSE, makes me think YOUR discussion is pathetic.
By the way, if you doubt what I said, just remember that the Nazi party was so-called because it is a short way of saying the "National SOCIALIST Worker's Party", just like in the USSR's case. In both cases the government dictated business courses of action, i.e. what to produce, where, in what quantity and by whom. There is no mistake made in saying that the USSR was communist. The USSR was communism in action, an action that allowed socialism to exist. They WERE communist. I can't believe I am actually writing this, it seems so logical that I can't believe someone would not see this...
If the USSR was not communist, then what exactly does communism mean to you? How would it exist? How would it be enforced if people do not follow whatever ideology it means to you? I am really curious as to what you think communism is if you think the USSR was not communist.
So, if the Repugs take enough Red states in 2008, maybe they will rename the high court "The Supreme Soviet." That way the partisan decisions that mock the law and the constitution will not dishonor the legal system any more.
amall gib @ 22:
Your Russian is NOT Russian !! AT ALL !!!
In a bit of trivia, the name of Jack Kelly's character in the film, Jerry, is also the same name that he played in the classic science fiction film Forbidden Planet.
Gotta love the Days when the Dept of War, ahem Defense... Was blatant and forthright on the propaganda they produced, labeling it upfront...
Unlike today.... Where no mention is ever made.
[...] Via Crooks and Liars. [...]
CappuccettoRosso @ 86:
Yea that's the irony of using those on-line translators: the only way you know they aren't working is when you know enough not to have to use them in the first place.
But i have a hard enough time with English, so... :)
Now if we can only get Red Dawn remade showing REAL Americans taking back the country from the "red" menace.
I can't believe the people trying to nitpick ... um ... "explain" how communism isn't fascism. THE POINT IS TOTALITARIANISM IS TOTALITARIANISM. Sorry, but I felt the need to scream.
There's a great underground satire book with this very theme called "Red Jesus".
I think Nicole Belle and Nonny Mouse should start their own blog. Oh wait a minute, This is it.
Nah, we just 'borrow' it from time to time. I'm just happy that John Amato finds my occasional mouse musings worth of dissemination.
But I am finding it vaguely amusing to read the heated debate above about what is Communism, what is fascism, what is socialism, what is etc., etc....
You're missing the point. While you're busy dissecting the corpse and arguing about labelling the body parts, the man who shot the horse is standing over the body with the smoking gun and laughing at you. It's about freedom, not the proper identification of political systems. Go out and ask the Man in the Street to define what freedom is and chances are either he won't be able to give you a cogent answer, or he'll name a freedom - like those at the end of this film - which we no longer have, thanks to the current administration's reign.
War is Peace. Truth is False.
Freedom is Slavery.
Get it now?
1+1=5
...except "dictatorship of the proletariat" actually is the same as "government of the people, by the people, for the people". The problem is totalitarianism, no matter what economic model is used. I'm appalled that people who call themselves American have held still for this PATRIOT Act shit, these multifarious breaches of the 4th Amendment, of the Constitution. I really can't believe it, but here we are.
Funny. But this is the type of unchecked power that the Busheviks are trying (and succeeding) to accumulate.
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Kia Ora!
I just love this sort of stuff, I should build up a collection of it!
Kia ora, Paul. There's a whole raft of the stuff on YouTube. Just look under 1950 propaganda films, and go from there...
92 nonny mouse
This stuff is actually WAY over my head. All these isms. Where NeoCons derived. To much for me. All I do know is these battles over which is better has been going on for ever.
And I don't see an end to it in my lifetime. It doesn't matter who is in office the other side always seems to find a way to find fault. Thats what is great about our freedom.
And thats to think what we want about it. And Vote for the ones we hope does the less damage while in office.
ysbaddaden @ 41:
As it was then, say it again now: "Better dead than red"
I think Czarists would be much closer then the Reds. But then again I'm not basing that on a 1950's US government propaganda film.
Amazing- blowing off a union meeting is considered umpatriotic! Times change...
Private Freedom @ 84:
Technically seventyseven is correct because in true communism there is no government. And you certainly seem to agree that the Soviet Union did indeed have a govenment? You can actually find this out for yourself with a little bit of study. And even Marx and Engels were aware that what they had written wasn't a truely viable concept but only an ideal. And speaking of Marx and Engels it is relevent to point out that communism is a German idea whereas Communism is Russian. And actually for the past 100 years or so everybody in there right minds with an education DID indeed recognize the difference!!!! The Nazis and then the "cold war" warriors pretty much muddied the waters though. JUST AS RETHUGS HAVE DONE THE PAST 20 YEARS WITH TERMS LIKE CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL! Or maybe you hadn't noticed. And to the person upthread who basicly said 'who gives a rats ass between communism and socialism', it is because of this exact kind of misuse of language that the rethugs have been able to subvert the US government by fooling the people the way they have!!!!
Nonny Mouse,
Have YOU personally EVER been to USSR/ Russia, or ANY other so-called 'socialist' state (Hungary, Chechoslovakia, Poland, Eastern Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, etc, etc) . If yes, when/what period, where inside the USSR/ any other of these countries, for how long, on what basis re: (IF) making living, how much did you move around, by what means).
Do you know any Russian ? Or ANY other language of that part of the world that used to be under Soviet domination, and the 'socialist' systems they imposed after the WWII (after sick/old FDR's and Churchill's quick giveaway of half continent that was NEVER theirs, to mental/bloody Uncle Joe), and with their few million of ocupational Red Army stationed in ALL of the satellite countries after 1945-50?
Do you know ANY other foreign langauge, any, at what level (can you work in any other language, what kind of work) ? Any other non-English speaking country you've lived in ? For how long ? For at least a year - less than a year is not 'living', even a year is just a warm-up 'try'.. USSR was the only 'live' test for communism implemented on a large scale, in whatever hue, however bad it was (China better be left aside in this VERY strange thread ) and this propaganda refers apparently to it, although is full of COMPLETE and UTTER parochial nonsense.. A lousy tearjerker at the end re:freedom - maybe, but very few things remotely correct (yes, in USSR and Romania, Bulgaria churches were confiscated, as was ALL/ANY property and turned into museums - at best, or mfrg plants, or army/kolkhoz horse stables w/horses dumping on the ancient floors, under which 'holy men', bishops, prominents/donors were buried. None/little of church desecration happened in Hungary, or Poland - the population although decimated by the WWII would go after the Soviet occupiers with bare hands, en masse, and, the Soviets knew it )..
One very important ommision in this very strange thread: unlike Nazi fascism, Soviet communism could take hold bc of what seems a long term major mental illness in the non-Russian imperial family inbred for generations, mentally feeble Czar NicholasII's almost complete isolation from basically any LIFE (depressed/mental frou-frou crazy German wife, focus on his sick only son, ++, his long lasting abdication in most matters while still in power, etc ), and unspeakable POVERTY, illiteracy, despair, despicable situation of all across Russia, that was at least 100 years behind any in Europe, in all. Even their princes, 'boyars' and nobility of whatever level never lived as well as their Western 'comparables"m and were NEVER as educated. The imperial court/system did not pay attention to the 1905 revolution, that never 'died' out despite repressions. The constant pre-revolution /civil war lasted inside Russia from at least 1914, the WWI, and the battles between reds and whites, and thugs of all stripes, did move across the continents towards the Russian Western borders w/Moscow & StPetersburg ~ 1917-1918. The revolutionary carnage lasted till at least early 1920-ties, despite the 'official' change of power. The communists systematically physically destroyed practically ALL of 'intelligentsia' - the best educated, the most prominent intellectuals everywhere (not for their money, but BRAINS !!) since these could/ would be the leaders of any opposition. Tens of MILLIONS were killed/slaughtered within few years, millions more sent to gulags mostly in Siberia and the Urals.. There were MILLIONS of orphans left - although Dr Zhivago, the movie, is a little kitschy, a LOT in it is so very true, as Boris Pasternak had witnessed ! There were millions of people fighting against one another, mostly bc of convictions re: 'freedom', tied closely to money. How many would do in the US ? This is a VERY dangerous thread.
Can you plse answer my questions for better understanding where do you/ your opinions come from, based on what. This IS one of the BEST sites. Millions of people visit this site, it is quite a responsibility to be a part of the C&L TEAM, that we need to stay strong. I hope you are enjoying the life in KiwiLand.
Umm... when he's standing trial, did anybody else feel as though they were watching the Gitmo tribunals?
CappuccettoRosso -
A little late in the day, but in answer to your rather aggressive questioning, and not that it really is any of anyone else's business: Yes, I've been to both the USSR and Russia (meaning before and after), and to Hungary, Czechoslovakia (which is actually the Czech Republic and Slovakia now), Eastern Germany when there was one, and Romania. Many of them more than once. I've cooperated with a number publishing houses in each of these countries, promoting non-Anglophonic writers to an Anglophonic market and working with various translators and publishers on book projects. I 'moved around' by means of car, and trains. And planes. And trams and feet. No, I don't know Russian. However, I do speak French, competently if not fluently, which many of the former Soviet bloc countries still retain as a second language rather than English. Many of my interpreters spoke no English, and we used French as our common language. I lived in France for a decade, well over your 'warming up' requirement. It's also a socialist country, by the way.
What this has to do with White Russian history or religious persecution I don't quite see. My opinions do not carry any more, or any less weight than someone who has not travelled as extensively as I have, or speaks less languages than I do. My opinions come from the same place everyone else's does - from opening my eyes and my mind, and are based on doing my best to make sense out of a pretty insane world.
Hope this answers whatever questions you've had about my 'qualifications' to write guest blogs for C&L, not that I ever had to submit a CV to John Amato first. I just write what I feel, and if he likes it, he uses it. If he doesn't like it... he doesn't. It's his blog, not mine.
And, yes, I'm enjoying exploring a new life in New Zealand, and I know I'm really a very lucky person to be here.
"Technically seventyseven is correct because in true communism there is no government."
If that is how you define "true" communism then I would STILL say that it is impossible to sustain. True communism doesn't have a government? OK, then I will only say/ask one thing. Communism as a system requires everyone to have equal pay and equal amounts of goods to enjoy. Now, setting aside this vision for a second, it is important to first define what the facts are outside of human control. Once you define these things, THEN you can go ahead an implement a vision. These facts are, of course, that everyone is different (thank heavens!), everyone has different access to natural resources, everyone is located in different areas, and most imporant of all, the Earth itself is varied and different all over (also thank heavens).
Because of these facts, those who want to implement communism must work around these facts, because these facts STILL necessitate the act of mining, manufacturing, etc. The problem with communism without government is that there MUST be a group of people tasked with the responsibility of finding out who has what and where and when, so that redistribution is possible. Without this knowledge, there is no way for people to have equal amounts of "stuff". Now, this group of people will NO DOUBT encounter difficulty with this job, because inevitably there will exist those who resist such redistribution attempts (for whatever reason). If a village of people happen to live on a large nickel mine say, then they would probably resist that group of people tasked with coming over to destroy the village in order to redistribute the nickel evenly among the rest of the population. Now if communism were to exist completely, then the resisters must be FORCED to give up and leave if they resist. If they were to successfully resist the invaders, then communism would fall apart (as did the USSR). Therefore, in order for communism to exist, there MUST be a group like this to ensure wealth redistribution. Of course there cannot be more than one such group because then there would be all out war in the country between the plunderers. Innocent people will get caught in the cross fire. The war in Iraq is, in part, a test to see if there can exist more than one state at one time. Sunnis and Shi'as.
Back to the example though, to have any semblence of long term stability, there must exist only one group of people that can enforce communistic agendas. Since this group has monopoly privilege of enforcement, then by definition they are a government. In short, communism is impossible without a central power tasked with the theft and tyranny the system implies. Communism without government wouldn't actually be communist, it would be anarchistic.
"And you certainly seem to agree that the Soviet Union did indeed have a govenment?"
Thanks for the heads up that the USSR had a government.
"even Marx and Engels were aware that what they had written wasn’t a truely viable concept but only an ideal."
WRONG. Their "ideal" was put into practice in the USSR by a group tasked with ensuring equal pay, equal goods, etc. This group was called the Socialist Party. Just because they were tyrannical it doesn't in the least bit imply that they didn't implement Marx's true vision of a communist utopia. His ideals were flawed in their core. Such a tyrannical party is NECESSARY if Marx's ideals of communism were to be upheld and prolonged. If the Socialist Party were NOT tyrannical, then communism would be impossible.
"And speaking of Marx and Engels it is relevent to point out that communism is a German idea whereas Communism is Russian."
Actually the Nazis HATED communism, they thought it was worse than American ideals. That is one of the main reasons they invaded the USSR in WW2. It makes no difference WHO comes up with ideas, what matters is who IMPLEMENTS them.
"The Nazis and then the “cold war” warriors pretty much muddied the waters though."
You got that right.
"JUST AS RETHUGS HAVE DONE THE PAST 20 YEARS WITH TERMS LIKE CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL!"
Yup, agree totally. The more they succeed (with or without intent) in clouding the real underlying ideas behind things the worse off everyone. is.
"Or maybe you hadn’t noticed."
Oh I have.
"And to the person upthread who basicly said ‘who gives a rats ass between communism and socialism’, it is because of this exact kind of misuse of language that the rethugs have been able to subvert the US government by fooling the people the way they have!!!!"
You got that right. We need to stop cynicism, scepticism and envy if we are going to have a fighting chance. Educate educate educate....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ8Z5fjqOYs
Even under pure Communism there would still be an organization to keep the system functional, but ideally no elites and oppressed.
But that's the whole problem, ideals are rarely practical.
Melody @ 92:
Was he blushing because his testaments were showing?
The wife in this familiar propaganda short
Jennie Cooper, Plays a Billionaire old hag on the soap
"Young & The Restless." I guess some things never change.
I notice they chose the creepy alcoholic Jack Webb to
narrate this piece of crap.
This is such propaganda. America has never been a "free" country. I love how the only solution is to take children to brainwash them in Sunday School, as if a large percentage of Americans even GO to Sunday School, or that children of other religions, or of NO religion, are to attend Sunday School instead of participate in their own religious instruction.
There never was a "good old days", folks. This isn't about losing freedom...this is about str8 white males losing priviledge and position and power. That's what this says to me. Same thing is happening today. What goes around, comes around. Didn't last long, did it?
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