The Dissembler in Chief
By Anonymous Liberal Sunday Jul 29, 2007 11:01am
In his weekly radio address on Saturday, President Bush implored Congress to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA):
One of the most important ways we can gather that information is by monitoring terrorist communications. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- also known as FISA -- provides a critical legal foundation that allows our intelligence community to collect this information while protecting the civil liberties of Americans. But this important law was written in 1978, and it addressed the technologies of that era. This law is badly out of date -- and Congress must act to modernize it.
Today we face sophisticated terrorists who use disposable cell phones and the Internet to communicate with each other, recruit operatives, and plan attacks on our country. Technologies like these were not available when FISA was passed nearly 30 years ago, and FISA has not kept up with new technological developments. As a result, our Nation is hampered in its ability to gain the vital intelligence we need to keep the American people safe.
I know you’ll be shocked to hear it, but your President is intentionally misleading you.
It’s true, of course, that FISA was enacted in 1978, well before the arrival of email and cellular phones. But what the President is not telling you is that FISA has been frequently amended since then, including several times subsequent to 9/11. Indeed, the primary purpose of the Patriot Act was to update and modernize FISA. But you don't need me to tell you that. Here's what the President himself said when he signed the Patriot Act into law:
We're dealing with terrorists who operate by highly sophisticated methods and technologies, some of which were not even available when our existing laws were written. The bill before me takes account of the new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists. It will help law enforcement to identify, to dismantle, to disrupt, and to punish terrorists before they strike. . . .
Surveillance of communications is another essential tool to pursue and stop terrorists. The existing law was written in the era of rotary telephones. This new law I sign today will allow surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including e-mails, the Internet, and cell phones. As of today, we'll be able to better meet the technological challenges posed by this proliferation of communications technology. . . .
The very next day, the President said essentially the same thing in his weekly radio address:
The bill I signed yesterday gives intelligence and law enforcement officials additional tools they need to hunt and capture and punish terrorists. Our enemies operate by highly sophisticated methods and technologies, using the latest means of communication and the new weapon of bioterrorism.
When earlier laws were written, some of these methods did not even exist. The new law recognizes the realities and dangers posed by the modern terrorist. It will help us to prosecute terrorist organizations -- and also to detect them before they strike.
Surveillance of communications is another essential method of law enforcement. But for a long time, we have been working under laws written in the era of rotary telephones. Under the new law, officials may conduct court-ordered surveillance of all modern forms of communication used by terrorists.
It never ceases to amaze me how brazen this administration is in its dissembling. Apparently we're just supposed to forget that the Patriot Act ever happened.
As is typical with this administration, though, its dishonestly actually pales in comparison to its hypocrisy. The President ended this week's address by admonishing Congress:
Congress needs to act immediately to pass this bill, so that our national security professionals can close intelligence gaps and provide critical warning time for our country.
As the recent National Intelligence Estimate reported, America is in a heightened threat environment. Reforming FISA will help our intelligence professionals address those threats -- and they should not have to wait any longer. Congress will soon be leaving for its August recess. I ask Republicans and Democrats to work together to pass FISA modernization now, before they leave town. Our national security depends on it.
Remember, FISA is the same statute that the administration has been violating since 2001 and which the president claims he has the power to violate at will. And for the better part of a year--from the time the NSA program was first exposed in late 2005 until late 2006--the Bush administration aggressively fought any attempts to amend FISA, claiming that it had all the authority it needed.
It wasn't until after the Hamdan decision last year that the Bush administration began warming up to the idea of amending FISA to "legalize" its controversial surveillance activities. And even then, the plan was to use the "Terrorist Surveillance Bill" as a weapon against Democrats in the 2006 mid-term election ("the Democrats support terrorists' rights!"). The bill ended up passing the House but not the Senate. Since then, the Bush administration has made no effort to seek amendments to FISA.
But now, out of the blue, the President is claiming that Congess must immediately act to modernize FISA (again) and grant him all sorts of new statutory powers, powers which he has repeatedly claimed that he already has.
I suppose the silver lining in all this is the fact that the President feels he needs to seek such legislation. It's been clear for some time now that the Bush administration has zero confidence in the legal theories that it has used to defend its surveillance activities. They've seen these arguments rejected repeatedly in other contexts and they know they'll never survive judicial scrutiny. Despite the dishonest bluster and hypocrisy, this is a humbling experience for the president. He is implicitly conceding that he does not have the "inherent" power to simply conduct whatever surveillance he chooses, regardless of what the law says. He needs Congressional authorization. That's a baby step in the right direction.
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Damn, frist again? That's like 3 in a row.
He needs it amended retroactively to cover up one of his impeachable crimes.
Amend or Disassemble?
Don't disassemble number 5!
Get it? Cause I'm number 5, and..
I'll just leave now.
They would have to be stupid to make changes to FISA now. Why is Bush asking for this, when he's been proudly breaking the FISA laws for years? He even came on television and announced as much.
I think the Bush Administration wants to cover their asses here, retractively. They know they've been in violation of the law (and probably stepped considerably farther past the line than we even know), and now they want to change the law before it comes out in Congressional investigations.
Bush is trying to make the Congress look like they don't have America's best interest at heart (I'm not saying they do, but what the Dems have is easily head and shoulders above the Repukes) in the eyes of the American people.
He knows he won't get away with this surveillance crap for much longer with Gonzo's neck firmly in the noose, and the only way he can keep pulling this bullshit is by getting The Dem's approval - and if they don't (which they wont), Bush will just lie to America again by saying that the Dems hate America.
Stupid white trash president.
I really don't understand why the Decider needs to update this
law, let alone ANY law. He doesn't obey them anyway.
WTF? Like this is real important to him. I guess he feels the
need to come across (read....pretend) as being concerned.
Wolf ! wolf ! wolf ! wolf ! WOOOLLLLFFFF !!!!!
So, what are the changes he is requesting?
Mike @ 10:
I'm guessing TOTAL dictatorial powers, only in a nice
glossy language that doesn't call it that.
So, is this at all related to the secret "data mining" program that's been leaked to the NYT? Perhaps he's looking to cover his ass before more details start leaking.
I mean, given that this is coming out of nowhere, it appears to me that he's trying to rev up the spin machine before Gonzogate goes critical.
His ass is hanging out a mile on this... Impeach him now!
That s*n-of-a-b*tch.s got some f*ckin' nerve!
He wants to be on the record as requesting an update to FISA so that when his cabal orders the next "terrorist attack" he and his party can say "we told you so". Thats about the only way the Republicans win in 2008.
This clip is very relevant with todays time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGCxxGDtwI&feature=PlayList&p=255F0FB36E...
you may have to cut and paste.
Why the f#ck haven't we heard Pelosi or Reid or anyone who was elected to CHANGE things in Washington utter the word IMPEACHMENT????? Seems these guys can do whatever they want still.
There's a bunch of useless dems in Washington that are only mainly concerned with votes and nothing else.
I'm so disgusted with our government.
Today Bush looked like he was:
1) On Medication
2) or Drunk
If the majority party... the Democrats DO NOT ACT soon....
http://www.crisispapers.org/essays7p/republic.htm
Remembering...
“My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -Barbara Jordan at the Nixon Impeachment hearing, July 25,1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jordan
I'm sorry -- what bill is he talking about? -- Feinstein's S.1114? That bill seems to add additional oversite to the FISA process. . .
Chimpy wants the FISA program amended to allow telekinesis to be monitored ..........
Is that boosh's red line to 1 800 Hott Babes?
Is this changes are SO urgent and vital, why haven't they been done by the republican rubberstamp congress during the las SIX YEARS ?
It is impossible for Al Q*eda to be planning attacks "over here" while we are fighting them "over there".
-GSD
tommytimp @ 5:
Number 5 is ALIVE!!! I remember that movie. The sequel had too many shots of Toronto in it.
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
I have a question.......
Since all of these "new" changes put in place by Presnit-Idiot and his motley crew are also used to spy on the enemy (In other words Democrats), What will the republican chant be when and if The Democrats take back the Whitehouse?
Will they all be screaming and complaining?
King George II and Darth Cheney want to cover their asses in case Dictatorship fails.
I shudder to think what these fools are planning for monitoring disposable cell phones, and the "unintended" consequences their scheme will have.
George Sidious and Darth Cheney want FISA to be amended to include a Death Star satellite ........
People have been lulled into thinking Bush has only x days left and then things will be OK...the reason the republicans aren't runnning anyone of real character is because it is time to pass the ball back to the dems (two wings of the same bird) and they will take over on the madness. That is why every week that goes by he pulls something off...two weeks ago it was the executive order to freeze assets.
This is what is waiting for us: US Concentration camps:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
This is how they pull things off: The money masters:
http://tinyurl.com/37txmd
This is about the three lies work us: Religion, 9/11, Banking
http://tinyurl.com/2mpjbr
Six years after the SCAM and nearly half of the sheeple still think Iraq had something to do with 9/11. We are a bad, bad people and if we don't self-regulate and end the terror of DC neocon politics others will do it for us, and we aren't going to like it.
Tues, 9/11/07 we go to DC...no permits, no organizing, no single destination. Bring bull horns, drums, trumpets, anything to make noise...we will be heard all over the beltway. The rest who can't come take the week off and call talk shows, leaflet, have teach-ins, make freeway signs, yard signs...this shit has got to end and it won't till we flex our muscle.
The Monkey lies again and again.
its just a matter of time before this moron sticks his middle finger up his ass and lickes it clean! bless his putrid anus!
I no longer wish for the "protection" that this administration has in store for me... it reminds me too much of the "protection" that corrupt police officers in the 30's and 40's on the beat used to elicit from honest shop owners. "Pay us now and nothing will happen to your store.. choose not to pay and we can't guarantee your safety...."
Is it possible that the President, by getting these changes to FISA, can then claim that there is no point to judicial review or Congressional oversight, since any supposed legal issues have no legal standing anymore?
I do hate to be the one to break the news to George, but the FISA laws are not limited to technologies. I am not sure where he gets his information, but FISA does not exclude internet or cell phones.
I would love to hear his plan for dealing with disposable cell phones, however. It would be interesting to find out how he wishes to monitor something in the trash through legislation.
The Bulldog Manifesto @ 15:
Ugh, I must admit this was the first thing to cross my mind when trying to make sense of this.
FC @ 22:
George wasn't familiar with the internets then.
The Dissembler in Chief
I prefer Asshat in Chief.
ysbaddaden @ 21:
No, it's the Fudge Packers Anonymous Hot Line.
I know, that's boosh's Flintstone's play-phone.
Stay the course!
We never said stay the course!
No Benchmarks! Benchmarks! What Benchmarks?
This is a guy who, when frist running for
EmperorPresident, claimed as one of his accomplishments asRulerGovernor of Texas a bill he had opposed and vetoed but that the Texas lege had enacted by voting to override his veto!Bush's legacy? Making Richard Nixon look good by comparison.
CatAtomic @ 6:
Yep! And Congress should never allow him to do any more covering-up.
I am an asshat... a disassember...I am the chipster...KOO KOO KAJOO!
Is he on the phone with God?
Why ammend a law he intends to break anyway?
GWB @ 42:
You mean chimpster.
Dr. Acula @ 43:
No, I'm watching Regis & Kelly
GOP DECRIES DEMAND FOR SPECIAL PROSECUTOR; INSTEAD CALLS FOR ‘SPECIAL-ED’ TEACHER FOR GONZALES
Dr. Acula @ 43:
Yep, his god Beezlebub, Molech, Lucifer.
What bunch of serious terrorist are going to call up their friends and relatives and co-workers here in the USA from Iraq, Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Or why would they email them. Just because bush and his assholes are stupid to send each other all those emails doesn't mean the terrorist are. I mean..Would you.
The only reason bush needs to monitor emails and phone calls is to keep up on the democratic plans and groups that oppose his war mongering ways.
God @ 46:
God, I'm forced to paraphrase Rob Reiner in Spinal Tap and ask the following.
Over these past 6 years, your loyal warrior GWB has been on a mission to teach the nation his version of your Bible.
I would ask...if you created the world in 6 days, on what day did you create GW Bush and couldn't you have taken that day off too?
lucid fiction @ 48:
Lucifer, Mephistopheles, Satan...etc etc etc.
The Pope is probably going to recommend Nixon for sainthood after Bush is done destroying the world.
I have a bad feeling about this August. Bush should be in Crawford all month. 9/11 falls on a Tuesday for the first time since 2001. All the signals are pointing towards a big disaster, either natural, man-made, or both.
"East Germany wasn't so bad"-rightie bloggers
ysbaddaden @ 39:
No no no. He's wondering Batman isn't at the other end.
lucid fiction @ 38:
He's taking a Learn Annex learn via phone course on how to be a President.
Look at the comments in this section.
The President has become one long running joke. What a freakin' nightmare. The French love Jerry Lewis...but they never elected him President.
gempei @ 55:
No no no. He’s wondering WHY Batman isn’t at the other end. Grammar gempei, grammar.
Zenrage @ 7:
REALLY, Zenrage, you are maligning white trash everywhere!!
It's a Mattel Speak and Say Phone:
A cow says mooo.
Liberal AND Proud @ 50:
I didn't create him - he's the Devil's spawn.
The Bulldog Manifesto @ 15:
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You are SO right!
Dhalgren @ 53:
I dunno what's gonna happen, but I sure as hell don't trust this administration while Congress recesses. No tellin' what they might do.
This kind of BS can end whenever we want it to. Impeach.
ysbaddaden @ 60:
707!
He's listening to the audio book of "My pet goat".
He's trying to find the spot in the story he missed
when Andy Card interupted him.
Ron @ 52:
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Good one!
He's trying to call a number he got from David Vitter.
Funny, back in 2002 Mike DeWine (R-Oh) proposed amending FISA and James Baker said at the time:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/01/significance-of-administratio...
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/073102baker.html
My, how times have changed...
If we had a President that sought reconciliation and didn't craft a foreign policy that oppressed people in other countries, we would not have to worry about 75% of the people labeled as terrorists. The enemies Bush seeks to squash are the enemies Bush has created by his ignorance, arrogance and greed. It is time for an intelligent President and an intelligent foreign policy. If most Americans had any idea at all what our foreign policies have done abroad in many many countries, they would be ashamed and outraged. When Bush says, "they hate us for our freedom" I have to laugh because Bush is taking away our freedom one Presidential signature at a time. They hate us for our arrogant oppressive steamroller policies.
Why now? Why wasn't this urgent last year or the year before? One would think the PATRIOT Act would have triggered a FISA revision as they go hand in hand in terms of streamlining the surveillance process.
He's just trying to cover his ass.
He knows the lawsuits will fly once he and his worthless cronies leave office and no longer have their "executive priviledge" fig leaf.
A new law giving him power that he took without permission would at least let him say "See. I was just doing what Congress ultimately wanted anyway."
Don't let him have anything that his defense lawyers can use in a post-Bush Administration trial.
I'm surprised this wannabe-Texan could even say "sophisticated."
What does this nut mean?
Is he saying that all the so-called "terrorists" his military captures are all guilty? What a dicwad. We all know he doesn't know a terrorist from any other person over there.
Then he states that cell phones are new, what a dunce. The means may be new but the principle remains the same.
What a lazy and useless way to gather intelligent, sitting on their asses monitoring talk instead of getting out there and getting into the meat of it.
chimpy wants to spy on US citizens, mainly the dems. chimpy and his gang break enough laws. Please don't allow this madman any more leadway. This bill better take a nose dive.
repugs are snakes' underbelly.
What's his right hand doing?
chopping up a line?
Liberal AND Proud @ 51:
Appolyon, Sammael, Ashmodai, Sariel, Pazuzu
And from Colin de'Plancy's Dictionnaire Infernal (1863)
Agaliarept, Amon, Asteroth, Azrael, Barbariccia, Beast Demon, Beelzebub, Behemoth, Belphegor, Bolfr,y Brina, Cagnazzo, Calca, Calcabrina, Chaos Demon, Demon Dragon, Demon's Wall, Devil Flower, Devil Horse, Fire Demon, Four Emperors, Gaap, Garuda, Glasya Labolas, Gomory, Great Demon, Horned Devil, Imp, King Behemoth, Leviathan, Lilith, Magician Hine, Mammon, Mantis Devil, Piscodaemon, Pit Fiend, Rubicante, Satan Junior, Satan Zande, Scarmiglione, Sea Devil, Vassago, Wolf Devil, Zande Clone, Lilitr, Abitr, Amorpho, Khods, Strige, Tltoi Pritza...
And Jerry Mathers as the Beaver.
The scary part is that when you look at what the current FISA law lets him do, ya gotta wonder what else he wants?
They can spy on anything outside the country.
They can start spying on phone calls here while they go get a warrant.
A warrant for a phone tap isn't just for one phone, it applies to any phone the suspect uses.
The FISA court has approved 99%+ of all warrant requests.
Here's another thought - Bush likes to brag about all the Terrorist plots they have prevented, but other than Jose Padilla, who have they caught?
It was MI5 and Scotland Yard that busted the water bottle bombers last year - and have you heard much about that case since then?
76 ysbaddaden Says:
Of course, whadda I know, I'm a Texan.
ysbaddaden @ 76:
So this is a GOP conference call?
He needs those phone and address records to cage the 2008 election. He did it in 2004 in Ohio and Florida, but had to resort to racial data to suppress voters, which is illegal. Party affiliation targeting is NOT ILLEGAL, so if they cage Democrats, they win in 2008 LEGALLY.
But they have to "datamine" to get party affiliation, economic and party donation history data. It's all making sense now.
Harriett Miers is involved in the 2004 caging, so Bush needed her on the Supreme Court to insure protests were not heard if ever legally challenged.
The pieces are coming together.
myiq2xu @ 79:
No, Alice Cooper was in the shower.
congressive @ 81:
Harriet Miers into caging makes her sound like a 60's go-go dancer.
They had a show tying vote caging with the missing emails and the various subpoenas going out now on last Friday's NOW.
"I know you will be shocked to hear it - but your president is misleading you."
Holy Sheet! george bush misleading me? No, no, no. He is misleading 28% of the American people, but not me.
I caught onto that rat bas**** when he was his dad's campaign manager. I don't know the definition of obscenity, but I sure know when I see it. And if anyone or anything is an obscenity, it is george walker bush.
At least he’s holding the phone the right way. Maybe a staff member helped him out.
Diogenes @ 84:
That's actually starting to piss me off. I'm with you on that. I didn't pay much attention to politics before the 2000 election but right then I knew that bush was beyond just being a loser. He was dangerously short-sighted.
Now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and announcing crap like it's news to everyone. Sorry, it may be news to them but to anyone honest who has paid any attention in the last 7 years it was obvious all along. Welcome johnny-come-lately's. Dumbasses.
myiq2xu @ 79:
That was the A-List for George Bush's Inaugural Ball.
Oh...and unless I missed it...everyone left out my favorite name for the Evil One...SCRATCH.
I was gonna say they missed Legba, but he's black, so nevermind.
Mike (10) -
Since nobody bothered to answer you, and since nobody apparently is interested in writing logical, political arguments, and instead prefers to just yap on about how bad Bush is, I'll answer you.
The administration is seeking to expand the FISA law so that if foreign communication, between two non-US citizen targets, abroad, happens to go through a US-run communications network, then that is still legal for them to survey as part of the President's "military" authority and they don't necessarily need previous oversight, or the 72-hour timeslot that FISA allows.
davejoch @ 90:
So the 72 hour window to get a warrant is too onerous?
I guess these Islamofascists probably never heard of phone taps before and just blab all their plans on international phone calls.
"Sorry mom, I won't be home for Ramadan this year, I'm gonna be blowing up the Statue of Liberty for Uncle Osama."
You know, if this idiot actually took time to explain what it is he wants he might see his popularity improve. The trouble is that if he did that no one would want it.
This administration should narrow or specifically define the groups of terrorist that fall in the categorical of TERRORIST in the "WAR on TERROR". This name "WAR ON TERROR" is too broad, too vague, and too wide spread in scope that ultimately EXPANDS the POWER of the Commander and Chief.
If this war on terror is about a war on Al Qaeda and Osama bin Ladin, then it should be clear. If this Federally managed "WAR on TERROR" is specific limit is scope to those terrorist coming from outside the U.S., then perhaps the fight should be defined to target those terrorist eminating from abroad and name it internation terrorist WAR.
Limiting the Scope of this WAR would also limit the use of our militaries. Those resources, (FBI, CIA, and special covert military) should be assigned. Our military complex such as the ARMY, NAVY, AIRFORCE, etc. should be utilized appropriately. The National Reserves should stay to handle domestic war such as war against crimes, illegal gang activities and forces needed to fight organized crimes to support the local police.
It seems to me that the U.S. Military resources are being used in a disorganized manner by this administration. Who would want to join such a group when there is NOT a clear understanding of a soldiers mission. I would be discourage to join if I know that the leadership is in disarray. I wouldn't want to risk my life. It takes a certain amount of concentration and focused to accomplish a military mission. A misdirection or an unclear purpose other than kill a defined enemy will not be effective. The killing will occur but the mission will not be accomplished.
This is what is happening with the WAR in IRAQ (WAR in Afghanistan? or WAR on Terror?).
What precisely is this WAR about, again? It seems to me this was a wishy washy war that is meant to cause destruction. It was poorly implemented and executed from the get go. And NOW that the accomplished mission of FAILURES has been done, the next President will be CREDITED for a well done JOB of ending a WAR that should have not been started from the beginning.
The Incompetent that created this VAGUE war only accomplishements are the senseless killing and destruction and losses of trillions of taxpayers dollars that enriched the War-mongers and the installation of an unprecedented Expansion of Presidential Power that is risking the civil liberties and rights of its people AND the manipulation of the U.S. Constitution and the amendments to laws to make this EXPANSION of Presidential Power possible that is nearly operating this nation as an empirialism, fascious, dictatorship rather than the AMERICAN DEMOCRACY that we are familiar to for 200 years.
It is clear that this chaos (or drama, for better lack of description) is done to make possible the installation of the "NEW WORLD ORDER"......that is the ambition of those that have already reached the maximun economic heights. There is nothing else left to accomplish after that than ultimate POWER or GODliness. This is madness.....possibility that ONE man can have an ultimate power at his/her disposal to affect humanity and the globe. This super-power must be brought down and control and tamed by the PEOPLE and IT should NOT be brought to bear by a ONE person super-power. This TAME already exist.......it is called IMPEACHMENT that must be done by the people when the public servant get out of hand.
Chimpy looks so commanding in that photo. So impressive that he knows which end of the phone to speak into.
What a dumb douchbag.
I'M ANTI BUSH CRIME FAMILY, THEREFORE IM A 'TERRORIST"
myiq2xu @ 91:
The 72 hour window doesn't apply to surveillance on military intercepts of non-citizens outside the US, but it COULD be construed as applying if it uses ANY US-linked communications. Not communications within the US, but rather communications that use US communications networks.
I was not saying the administration was looking for the 72-hour window for retroactive approval to be removed, but rather that the 72 hour window wouldn't apply to exclusively foreign communication that might piggy-back on US com networks.
I'm also not defending it, I'm just answering Mike's question since nobody else is.
I am sure this president is under a lot of pressure from AIPAC and other interest parties. It is time the president told them to take a hike and run the show along with the will of the majority. Democracy is all about people and the president is not above the law or the mob rule.
I sometimes find myself wishing that lil' george would be exposed as some kind of Lex Luthor evil genius who was only pretending to be dumber than a bag of hammers.
It would be a relief to learn that everything he's done was actually part of some diabolical plan and not just a huge waste of lives and money. At least it would make sense.
And it wouldn't be so embarrassing to have him sitting in the White House.
96 davejoch Says:
One thing that wasn't mentioned is any conspirators would use code phrases, and probably in their own languages. We have mounds of pre-911 documents that still haven't been translated yet.
boosh hasn't even mastered English yet.
You know what... I'm tired of my Congress not listening.
So I'm gonna start a 'Crown Bush As King and Get it over With' movement and see how many step up to the bat. The platform will be : "you're giving him the power to ignore the Constitution either through statutes or through your cowardice so you might as well make it official."
E in MD @ 100:
But the nickname "Mad King George" is already been taken!
EZ @ 97:
Ooh the boogie man is going to get you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRrgPO-Calk
Yep, retroactive CYA.
ysbaddaden @ 99:
Ya know how Chertoff mentioned "chatter?" If there really are that many Al Queda operatives here and abroad (there must be, cuz the guv'mint is listening to thousands of their phonecalls) then you would expect them to be making lots of false transmissions just to freak us out.
From their point of view it would be cheaper, easier, and nearly as effective as a real attack.
Meanwhile,any real attack will be planned and carried out without using telephones or email that can be intercepted.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/308911.shtml
Little do you know of your leader. Put this creep in a electric chair.
This TRAVESTY of a President (GWB) has made a MOCKERY of our system of government. The QUALITY of the AMERICAN DEMOCRACY has become a scam. WHO in their right mind or what nation would follow and model such a failing SYSTEM.
The Executive Branch clearly violated domestic and international laws and lied about it to OUR face. The Main-stream news media has become fictitious/mock journalism. AND the Congress has become complicit to the crimes of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH..........all this was done under the false premise that our government knows and knew what they are doing therefore WE as PEOPLE must support their decision without question in order to be "Patriotic"?
It seems that their tactic is to keep the AMERICAN intelligence at bay so that they would not find out the scams that is in progress at the highest office in the nation and the world at Washington D.C. People MUST take action NOW!
E in MD @ 100:
Better yet, go to Burger King and get the paper crowns they give the kids, and get everyone to show up at Georgie rallies wearing them.
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Ruthless People Says: NOTHING.
why don't you join a kindergarden class so you can play musical chairs.
try having something intelligent to say, you are becoming a BORE.
totally LOL
The president now wants Congress to legalize his actions.
It just doesn't get any better than this.
Dhalgren @ 53:
The 20th and 21st he will be in Canada, behind an 18 mile security ring, meeting with Mexico and Canada in finalizing the selling of our nation into the North American Union.
8/23 is a 13 numerically and the New World Order's favorite (see our money and shield) and they have been thumping the "terrorists are coming" drum for weeks now and it might possibly be their hit day.
This shit has got to end. Every day is another madness, like some horrible nightmare...
That's my nickle...
I know you’ll be shocked to hear it, but your President is intentionally misleading you.
I'm sorry, bush is NOT MY president and he has never represented me or my family.
Bush coup is trying to persuade the Congress to pass a bill to sell military ammunicion to the SAUDI. It appears that this is bush/Saudi business as usual. Both has an interest in OIL. Both are knowlegeable of the vast oil reserves in IRAQ. Both appear to be scheming in taking control of it over the world market. It appears that because of the precarious position Bush Cabal has put themselves in they are NOW passing some of the invasive work from the other end using Bush connection (ally) with the ARABS.
This is piracy, an invasion as it appears without concern for what they call "collateral war victims". Who care about the death and destruction? These people are just a small price for the shared-profits they would reap from this scam. It seems to me that anyone that is not AMERICAN or connected to AMERICAN interest is EVIL and an ENEMY to the BUSH regime. This is total MADNESS.....overbloated EGO......a true definition of GREED and EXCESSIVE POWER.
Nationwide protest on 9/11? Count me in!
Do we have any links? The chatter among my formerly apathetic peer group is that they're chomping at the bit to join a giant protest (annonymous) like the ones right after the start of the Iraq war.
Is there a website? Where's the info? Let's start organizing.
the constitution was written 220 years ago. it addresse the technologies of that era and is critically out of date...
"I know you’ll be shocked to hear it, but your President is intentionally misleading you".
Agreed.
So which of these democrat half-nothings will say that in public?
a guy @ 114:
I don't know if you're kidding - but-
Ideas such are imbodied in the Constitution have nothing to do with technology. They will never be out of date. They have no date.
a guy @ 114:
Well, the FISA laws were written in 1979 (during the analog era) so I guess it's okay to break those statutes too.
Free America from the post Yale grad fraternity....The 4th Branch. For 28 years Yale Alumni have either been the VP or President. America needs new leadership, from other schools. Free America from our NeW hOmeland.
Read my Article on Yale http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/07/4th-branch-membership-requi...
This is old news unless you've been hiding under a rock. Make a list of the things they have done and use your mind to put together 2+2=4 not 3! The whole lot needs to go.
114 a guy Says: the constitution was written 220 years ago. it addresse the technologies of that era and is critically out of date…
Quote This Comment July 30th, 2007 at 1:27 PM - PDT
Some things should never be seen as "outdated". The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights should never be seen as outdated. For it is the strong foundation that keeps our (White) house standing strong and our nation respected for 200 years and a nation of FREE people not RUN by empirials like Kings and Queens. To view and compromise our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights as outdated is to disrespect OUR way of living and disrespecting FREE WORLD that our founding fathers intended our nation to be free from dictatorial system. It is disrespecting the "WE the PEOPLE" that have fought to preserve our way of life liberty and justice and disrespecting THOSE HEROES that sacrificed their life in order for our people to have the freedom that we are privy to have today. The freedom to be who we are and the Freedom to dessent and question our government when we suspect them of abuse and wrongdoing.
WE ARE AMERICANS and we must not forget to act like one and not let our government who work for us take our nation to the Ground. They have gotten out of hand and it is our duty to TAME them and put them in their place. THEY WORK FOR and are EMPLOYED by the PEOPLE not the other way AROUND.
History show that if WE allow them to get out of hand, this nation will lean into dictatorship and eventually into a MARTIAL LAW.............much like what happened to PHILIPPINES.
ONLY the PEOPLE....United PEOPLE.....UNITED AMERICANS.....can take control of our government. It is not up to the leaders of a nation, or the head of corporate AMERICA to drive the direction were AMERICA should go and it is not up to them to define who WE ARE. THAT IS UP TO US PEOPLE. It is our DUTY to protect our nation and it is up to US if we want PEACE. Anyone ......ANYONE that violates or drive us onto another self-serving direction and ignoring the well being of a nation and its people MUST be STOPPED. It doesn't matter who they are. NO one is above the LAW and WE are ALL CREATED EQUAL who deserve to be treated with EQUAL respect. WE are HUMAN beings. NOT ONE human being is superior over another. WE are simply catagorized by a man-made class system of a Capitalistic IDEOLOGY, which does not make one human being any better than another.
wwwwwwwwwwwwow,, that is just so damn brazen.
"Oh, yes, please, Commander Guy! You're the only one who can save us from the evildoers! Congress must obey your every command because no one else can protect us like the Decider!"
*puke*
What a punk-a$$ little bi†©h.
Chee-riiist.... George and his latest bullshit mea culpa...He just has to have free reign to spy on us in any old way 'he' thinks is necessary... Freekin voyuer... Ya know, rather than rant ad nuseum on all the details others have already laid out there for any sensible person to see... (fisa 72 hour windows is plenty, the technology improvements doesn't really change the underlying situation or protocols etc) I'll just limit myself to the obvious... Bush and this latest smoke and mirrors crap is full of shit! He is full of shit, his plan is full of shit, ALL his ideas are full of shit! Ya know, even if the sky changed from blue to red at mid-day, and Chimpy was the only person who knew this and was trying to warn the world.. I'd just not be able to believe it anymore coming from his piehole... Hey George, ever heard the one about the boy who cried wolf??? BTW Chimpy, while you are scheming to con us into letting you climb into bed with us and sniff up our underwear, hows that selling weapons to the Saudi's working out?? Makin enough money on the deal??? House of Saud all happy and smily face over it???? JD
lucid fiction Says:
It is a part of the Repugs strategy....
They will put a Bill before Congress asking for (unnecessary) changes to FISA.
When this is pointed out (and knocked back) by the Dems the Repugs will go to their friends in the Media, to say that it's the Democrats fault for not passing the bill, and that the Dems are soft on Terrorism etc ...
Unfortynatly, many people in the general public will swallow this B.S.
Because as we enlightened people ;-) know, ...The laws FISA cover are already sufficient and setup to do what they need to do. (EG, They already have 72 hours before they even need to tell a Judge).
But the Repugs will whine a lot and blame the Dems. Meanwhile they will be trying to get this Bill passed so as to cover their arses for future trials and indictments and to blame the Dems for being soft on the Gops WoT.
It is a Ruse, a whole Ruse, and nothing but a Ruse!
Besides that it ties up Congress and takes the publics eye of the ball (which is the fact that the Repugs have NOT been following the law!)
Railden @ 116:
it was sarcasm.
I hope the Colombian drug dealers don't find out about this lack of monitoring of disposable phones and the internets. That could cause a huge spike in the amount of drugs available in this country!
How can Congress "approve" a bill that the President wll not cooperate in Congress overseeing.
Time to heed Murtha's budget cutting example in re Congressional liasion -- unless the President cooperates with Oversight, Congress has no bais to support this bill. The funding should be cut. If the President wants money, he needs to provide Congress with information and evidence of compliance with FISA. Time for OVP to stop blocking the audits, and for the RNC e-mails to get turned over.
Bush Pushes To Turn FISA Into A Co-Conspirator
It astounds me that we are even discussing this. Did no one see this gradual erosion of American liberties; of our Constitution? Was it so subtle in its application that we are now addressed by a completely unchecked President who says “Yes, th...
The Bulldog Manifesto @ 15:
Scary huh? Because in the back of our minds .....we know it's true. 9/11 was an engineered scenario. It was designed to: a. Create a national feeling of fear. b. Guarantee "The War President's" election win. c. Allow a somewhat logical reason to invade Iraq and secure oil production. d. Create a foothold right smack in the Middle East without creating world condemnation.
But mostly .....to perpetuate a corrupt system which began with a Millitary Couand the assassination of JFk, the escalation of the Vietnam War, and the New World Order's attempt to rule the world by force.
SonOfLiberty @ 113:
This is the only one so far. The info is simple...get your ass to DC on 9/11/07 and make noise.
I've been saying it here for a while now. It has got to be loose and free form. No permits, no parade routes, lots of noise makers, signs, and people...they know why we will be there, don't need any "speakers". We are the voice.
Get your friends together and be there. Show up anywhere...Pentagon, White House, the monuments. Like political ninjas, keep moving, don't let them box you in or line up against you. Scatter and regroup, scatter and regroup...make the sob's hear our voice. Our country is a free speech zone till they throw us all in the prison camps...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
That's my nickle...
I bet he is not even talking to anyone.
boosh is listening to the dial tone to convince us he's talking to someone important like Simon Cowell.
"..............you willingly vote for and/or passively let your own government spend billions of dollars on supporting the business interests of the American royal families, sacrificing your lives in Iraq, whilst buying into the argument that you can’t afford your own health care system. ........"
this guy has some tough words for us
http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/0707SIK.htm
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