GOP loses its advantage on terrorism
A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll (.pdf) includes most of the predictable numbers — Bush is unpopular, Americans are uneasy about the economy, etc. — but respondents were also asked which party they trusted more to handle various policy issues.
The Dems enjoy huge, double-digit advantages on every domestic issue, but when asked which party is more trustworthy on dealing with the “war on terrorism,” it was the only question on which Americans were divided right down the middle — 29% said Dems, 29% said Republicans, 20% said both, and 18% said neither.
In and of itself, that’s not particularly surprising, but the trend is noteworthy. In October 2002, the GOP enjoyed a 36-point advantage on this question. But end of 2003, it had slipped to a 26-point lead. In early 2004, it slipped a few more points, and in late 2004, a few more still. By last fall, the Republicans led Dems on the question by 10 points, and now the GOP advantage has disappeared altogether.
How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?
How long? The phrase "in perpetuity" is the first thing that came to my mind.
You should check out the bottom of the current post on FireDogLake. Bush is going to order the Congress to stay in session (which he apparently CAN do).
Go ahead Georgie... Keep your rubber-stamp repubs in session so they can't go home and hold fundraisers. And so you can't have any RECESS appointments. You impudent little child.
all the dems seem to be doing is biding time so they can transfer the power bush has amassed to themselves. i don't see this as much of an improvement.
IMPEACH. it's not convenient or pleasant but it's the right thing to do.
I love the democrats and their fiesty spirit. They have made minced meat out of the re publican party.
Go for it!
Don't you mean losing its undeserved advantage? Bush and his gang of Texas Twits put al-Qaeda on the ropes only to let them go. Maybe it was sheer incompetence, maybe they didn't want to lose their bogeyman; who knows for sure besides Darth Cheney?
The American people may be slow to anger and easy to forgive, but we aren't idiots. Six years of Bush solidly fucking-up every issue he has tried to tackle are hard to forgive or forget. Sure without KKKarl Rove and his cadre of astroturf election thieves, there would be no Bush residency, but we are stuck with him for now. However, that doesn't mean we'll listen whenever he stammers incoherently from the the Bully Pulpit.
Why the hell does anyone still think Republicans are the "go-to" people for terrorism-fighting? How much success, after seven years of GOP rule, has been achieved?
Fuck all.
too bad the GOP number will never drop much below 29%.
Hahaha 29% of ppl think the Republican party can be trusted to handle terrorism
29% is the same # of people that approve of Bush.
... heheheheheh funny
How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?
For as long as the payola continues.
Nate @ 2:
My question for Busholini is this: Are YOU going on vacation?
Maybe Bush will just completely give up, and OFFER ‘BUYOUTS’ TO TERRORISTS
How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?
I'm going to say at least 3 years there Bob. Dems will need to be a good 10 points up on this question before the media says what's been obvious for 14 years, that Dems are more serious, more effective and more knowledgeable about terrorism and keeping the American people safe.
GOP loses its advt on terrorism = get ready for the next terror scare
I trust the Republicans much more when it comes to promoting terror attacks. Hell, they are rooting for another 9/11 to put the scare into the voters. I've read of several top Dog Repugs who were thinking out loud about it.
But, don't worry Boys! I still haven't stopped giving Bush credit for allowing 9/11 to happen because of his dereliction of duty. Good thing it happened for Bush too, or he never would have got within stealing range in 2004.
Samson- @ 14:
Yeah, Dick Cheney says it will be a nuclear attack, and soon.
Since he knows about the plan, and knows it will happen, it follows that he knows who and how.
So why is he going to allow it to happen?
Weaseldog @ 16:
WWJBD?
What would Jack Bauer do?
Don't expect the media to report that; not when the lastest celebutard is gonna do something stupid and get 24/7 coverage.
"How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?"
Until the day after the Rapture.
By the way,check out this bullshit story from Yahoo "News":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_go_pr_wh/terrorism_surveillance
Count the inaccuracies:
1. This "1978 law" has been updated dozens of times including 2005.
2. Bush (or the article's author) says we need this legislation before the "busy air-travel season".
3. NSA can already wiretap first and get warrants later. They have a 72-hour window.
4. It's all BULLSHIT misdirection!
Maybe King George was a plant that a group of rich liberals set up to destroy the GOP and create a perpetual Democratic majority in the White House and Congress. Or maybe he's just a really bad president.
Old Billy @ 17:
hey billy!
WWJD?
lesse here... jack would grab the closest person, torture them brutally and luckily--at the last final moment--extract the EXACT right information, thus saving america from nuclear apocalyse.
you know, just like it REALLY happens (.....in the movies, not reality)
I was kind of hoping that the GOP could keep their advantage on terrorism, being that since King Bush and Darth Cheney took office, it's what they've specialize in.
Did anybody see this? It's great:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003849.php
My favorite quote:
"I don't feel the need to get out of here. I would much rather stay here than have us make a terrible mistake," said Feingold, who has made a name for himself as a champion on civil liberties in the Senate. "This is not the kind of thing that should be done on the fly, and I am prepared to stay here as long as it takes to fix it. Or, if they need force this through, I'm not going to make it easy, if they don't make it better."
How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?
are you talking about
The LIBERAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA?
Gee, I don't know? They call Rudy "America's Mayor" and he's just tough as hell on terrorist? Same with Mitt, but they EACH ducked military service in a way that Clinton was ripped for by this same media?
Obama lacks experience, but Mitt is unchallenged on HIS foreign policy skills, (unless you think doubling the size of Gitmo makes him the second coming of Churchill?)
One whiff of Fred Thompson manly cologne has Chris Matthews assuming the position of supplication?
NOT ONE of these war mongers, Cheney, Bush, any of the NEOCONS, any of the Candidates got without 5000 miles of their generations "war for Freedom", though they all blame liberals and the media for losing it..
Oh, except McCain, who DID go, and they all HATE HIM and love pansy boys like Rudy and Mitt instead.
Go figure?
The Media and the Republicans all live in Bizzarro world if you ask me?
Those 29% of people should remember that 911 happened on Bush's watch..
How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?
How Long? Until the twelfth of never...
I don't know....no poll is valid until Bill Clinton's penis has been consulted.
SAVE THE CHEERLEADER; IMPEACH BILL!
No wait...I will ALWAYS have nothing but sarcasm and contempt for those criminals.
Bonkers @ 28:
That came out kind of funky. Not that anyone REALLY cares about my weak attempt at humor but:
I don't know....no poll is valid until Bill Clinton's penis has been consulted.
SAVE THE CHEERLEADER; IMPEACH BILL!
/sarcasm for GOP blockheads
No wait...I will ALWAYS have nothing but sarcasm and contempt for those criminals.
Youffraita @ 24:
Yep, Feingold is definitely one of the good guys. Anybody know where Clinton and Obama are on the FISA tune-up?
Bonkers @ 28:
You mean criminals like Bill "I killed 16 Arkansas State Troopers with my bare hands" Clinton and Sandy "Just let me tip off Osama that we're coming for him" Berger? If those two weren't turning 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. into Bourbon St. North (you know, inviting Jeff Gannon, Bob Livingston, and David Vitter over every Tuesday) 9/11 never would have happened. Clinton should have totally seen that memo that said "Bin Laden determined to attack in the United States." Republicans will always have the edge on terrorism as long as the "truth" gets out.
PS: Now that's how you confuse the GOP Blockheads with sarcasm, Bonkers.
the media will repeat any fake thing to get access to the repubs dinner parties in DC.
If those two weren’t turning 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. into Bourbon St. North (you know, inviting Jeff Gannon, Bob Livingston, and David Vitter over every Tuesday
Come on, everyone knows Wednesday was "Large Diaper" night in the Clinton West Wing, so Livingston and Vitter were on...
Tuesday night was Gay Escort night, Jeff Gannon and Ken Melhman were hanging with Reverend Ted in a three-way, while Monica and Bill did the video-taping....
Man, unless you get your Clinton Sex Factiods straight, you'll never last over on the Free Republic website!
jr @ 32:
Yes, and when the main course arrives, "they stab it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast..."
the media will always suck up to the gop on terrorism, but the fact that the parties are now even in the polls shows just how irrelivant the media has become, which is a good thing for all of us.
How long, do you suppose, will the media continue to report that Republicans still enjoy far more public trust on terrorism than Dems?
Considering that polls show a small majority of Americans have been wanting single payer healthcare coverage for at least 10-15 years, and how the media still portrays it as the Hellspawn of Satan Himself... I'd say at least 10-15 years.
Eventually, people will see through propaganda. Some longer than others. For example, there are still about 26% of Americans who haven't worked out Bush is a clown.
One could argue the only reason the Republicans held the advantage in dealing with terrorism for so long was due to chronic acceptance of right wing propaganda on the MSM.
What do you mean they lose advantage over terrorism?, they never had an advantage in the first place. All this crap was made up by them.
Here we are after six years of Fox/CNN News coverage of everything we have been told only to find out after all that every dame thing these ass holes said was a lie, and even though we are somewhat breaking into there vile media system of getting the word out , they continue to this day.
Check it out folks, and now that 80% of the country now knows what many of us knew in the first place, do any of you honestly believe that these people not only ever had an advantage, but that they are competent to do anything about it and this is to say the least about any of these jerks, Bush installed in these positions to cover his nasty ass.
the republican party's antics have been depicted as
corrupt, illegal, arrogant, unresponsive, obstructionist,
seditious, narrow-minded, and short-sighted. Which of
these traits make them better at the war on terror, or
the illegal killing of civilians, and torture.
simply because they put of a front of conformity to a
single concept is not a sign of strength, but of weakness.
Because they are quick to behave like barbarians
to achieve their ends does not translate to intelligent
strategic decisions, but are more likely have more
in common with delusional thinking or cognitive
dissonance.
Its easy to see that our government has deteriorated to
the business model in which there are sycophants,
gofers, and sado-masochists ruining the chance to
know liberty, self-reliance, and a civil society. They
decided to declare that they are playing politics by
the laws of the jungle. This is presumed to be better
than the idea of a united America with a sense of
community and righteousness of purpose.
What has been lost is the ability to challenge
materialist dogma without suffering economic punishment
for dissent that comes under the heading, not
right or left , but a sense of self-respect that takes
comfort in decisions that are rational and reasonable.
This was once assumed to be the case for most
responsible people.
It is difficult to feel good about oneself if one's
leaders have only contempt for him. At the very
least he must accept the foundation principle that
civilizations successes are based upon every
man for himself.
If one does not accept the idea that isolation from
and paranoia of others does not fit any known
model of success for societies throughout history,
he becomes an outcast, a heretic, and a terrorist.
The transformation is instantaneous, and absent
due process. With transformation comes from
deep in the closet, something that smells like
mothballs, "Oh, there it is my cynical and callous
nature that converts atrocities into necessities,
and necessities into fate."
As one regains his proper cynical nature he can
proceed with the adjustment to apathy about
corruption allowing the corrupt to ignore laws that
challenge their god given right to be corrupt and to
corrupt others, because it is for the best cause that
exists - himself. As it should be. Corruption is as natural
as the Lord's other blessings; it must be understood
and appreciated for its desirability.
Other mysterious ways:
If one expects that suddenly our leaders will behave
in a respectful, honorable, and thoughtful manner, he
neglects the first rule - all economic behavior is based
on deceit and exploitation. To demand honesty and
accountability at this late date would cause the entire
house of cards to collapse.
In 1929, the economic model was exposed in the raw,
revealing deep cracks in surface rationalizations,
misrepresentations, laughable guesses, and instructions
on the virtues of predatory behavior. Recent failures
caused the ruling class to redouble their efforts for
toward advanced control. America was not worth living in, according to these self-proclaimed elites, unless provided all the advantages, (the real meaning of
feelings of entitlement,) the people left unused for
educational, moral, or legal reasons.
Therefore, to suggest that leaders should do their
work with intellectual honesty is the equivalent of
heresy and naive' at best. To expect them to behave in a manner that the historical record proves never existed is foolhardy and irresistible at once.
Heroism, self-sacrifice, altruism and agape are the enemies of authoritarian regimes, because they disprove the model that includes the axiom - competition is god.
From this perspective it is possible to conclude
that all humans are creeps, and if left unattended will
do creepy things. They can't help being creeps, but
that doesn't make it better. Knowing that it comes
with the territory mitigates some of the confusion. Man will always fall to his creepiest nature, because he has nothing to balance it against, according to
right wing propagandists. The fact that big business
works tirelessly to "dehumanize" everyone does not
take the ugliness of its intent away.
Honor, integrity, honesty are the maladjusted reactions to specific situations that require a pragmatic response.
Using words that exist in Arthurian and Viking legends
to describe specific human behaviors drags us back to our childhoods when we were sorry enough to believe
that strangers can be helpful and the police are there
for one's protection. Men and women can no longer
stand each other for more than a few years. No retired
women who lose their spouses choose to remarry.
They made it through one incredibly insensitive, boorish,
know it all, and once is enough. They passed the test.
They out-survived the dominant delusional barbarian
in their personal lives, and see that no good reason exists to repeat the test of endurance. In all likelihood one's partner is an insufferable creep with no redeeming
characteristics.
Realistically, the only sane reason for divorce is to
punish the partner who is the most creepy. This is
determined by friends, relatives, credit history, and
arrest record if available. Using republican reasoning,
to remarry is unexplainable, since the only difference
between people is not the ubiquitous craziness, but
their primal creepiness. Therefore, if one remarries
he is only replacing one type of creep with another
type of creep, unique only in their strange obsessions.
encouraging, you'd think. I wouldn't trust ANY American (political party) dealing with 'fighting terrorism'. Throwing away keys, left and right. You kill others and rape your own.
yeah, you noticed, cynical. In the same way things have transpired since .... (you fill the blanks). Meh.
Maybe people are realizing that both parties are the same?
"The Dems enjoy huge, double-digit advantages on every domestic issue, but when asked which party is more trustworthy on dealing with the “war on terrorism,” it was the only question on which Americans were divided right down the middle — 29% said Dems, 29% said Republicans, 20% said both, and 18% said neither."
The "War on Terrorism" is bogus and people know it. It is a boogeyman created by the state to keep people afraid.
Remember McCarthy and all his communists? There were communists supposedly lurking under every stone. Guess what? No communists! Same thing with terrists.
How Long??? Until the next attack....then the Dems will be blamed for being "soft"
mudshark @ 43:
You just nailed it dead on.
The public is no f***ing piece of cake when it come to these issues. This is the same public who believed Bush when he told them that Iraq and 9/11 were linked. This so-called dissatisfaction with the War in Iraq is a MIRAGE - period. The only reason the public appears to have turned against the president on this war is that they thought the war would be over in 2 or 3 weeks - it wasn't, and now the war is 4 years on and over 3,000 Americans are dead, and and the public is SHOCKED. The public will eventually blame Democrats because the public has no attention span, and the public is kind of stupid.
GOP loses its advantage on terrorism
They don't still have the FAUX News goon squad?
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