Say it aint so, Dianne!
By Nicole Belle Thursday Aug 02, 2007 11:45am
For decades I wished I had worked harder when Jello Biafra ran for mayor of San Francisco against the most conservative member of the Board of Supervisors, Dianne Feinstein. (Well, actually the most conservative member, Dan White, had just shot Mayor Moscone and was in prison. Feinstein was the most conservative member who wasn't awaiting trial and hadn't been charged with murder.) She beat Biafra and launched a shameful political career marked by family corruption-- her husband is a war profiteer-- and reactionary politics. Today she stabbed Democrats in the back, as is her habit, and voted for Bush's latest nightmare scenario judge, Leslie Southwick. God only knows how much blood money her husband will get out of this one.
Southwick's record should earn Feinstein a recall by voters in California. But there is no recall for senators. We should remember though.
John Amato: "Judges" are the name of the game for the extreme Religious right. They could care less about NOLA, the Iraq war, health care and poverty to name a few. Harry Reid needs to stand up against this nomination hard. What was Feinstein thinking? Look at the reaction from James Dobson's group. They are applauding her:
Breaking ranks, Democrat Feinstein supports Bush's judicial nominee.
Her Washington office number is (202) 224-3841. Call her often....
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FRIST!
WHAT THE F!?!?!?
Jello Biafra!!!!!!!
That's the thing, she just got re-elected. It's not like she has to fear an election challenge from the Terminator.
Let's face it. The judicial system has been targeted by the Bush regime. Anyone they nominate is going to be a loyal Bushie.
FIRST!!
Dianne would be a Republican, but she has to be a "Democrat" to be elected in California. Dianne, when will you give us California voters full disclosure?
"They could care less about NOLA, the Iraq war, health care and poverty to name a few."
The expression is "COULDN'T care less" as in, "I care so little, to actually care less would be impossible."
Fortunately for the reich-wing, they pulled this while Reid is in charge. Any takers on whether Reid will fight this? *cough*what timelines?*cough*
Maybe he'll threaten 'em with another *gasp* pajama party!
Canuknotusa @ 7:
I agree. They need to change this.
This shocks any of us why, exactly?
If I ever heard another Democrat tell me how a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush, I will seriously stab them in the jaw while I repeatedly ask them what is the fucking difference between Dems and the GOP.
The lasting legacy of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION: ATTACKS ON ‘FACTIVIST’ JUDGES
I think, by now, regular visitors to this place know what I'm going to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.
Democrats=Republicans
So long as they're getting the bulk of their campaign financing from the same source (i.e. corporations), they'll continue to act the same. In every sense and meaning of the word "same".
Two words: Roberts / Alito.
I'm a democrat in California and I will never vote for Feinstein.
When she is up for re-election I vote Green or Peace & Freedom.
I also wish Jello had beaten her.
It would be cool to have Senator Biafra right now.
Impeach the Chimp!
Southwick is a racist homophobe. Perfect representative of the views of the majority of the people in the Fifth Circuit (Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi).
Thanks Diane...For NOTHING!! Another right wing hack to screw up the judiciary from the inside.... Cheee-riist!!! This shit just ain't ever going to end is it..... I dunno, maybe the most radical commentors are going to end up right... Maybe it's going to take armed insurrection and blood in the streets in order to reset this mess we have now....I hope not...
Looking like it's either going to come down to that, or else our grandkids will find themselves cussing us and pissing on our graves while they work at fixing this shithole we're leaving them... Increasingly less likely? That 'we' in the here and now, will get 'our' shit together, deal with the corruption at the highest levels of our government properly, then work to reign in the more henious activities of our business/industrial/military sectors... Something that ought to happen, but probably won't... At least not in the forseeable future at this point...
Yea..... less and less likely... I hope I'm proven wrong in the coming months and the upcoming election... But this shit by Feinstein does not tend to raise ones hopes that something good can be dredged from this clusterfuck of greed, corruption and egomaniacal stubbornness maquarading as conservative rationality on the right..........JD
Citizen: "Help! Our Judiciary is being taken over by extremists."
Senator: "I nominate Mr. Extremist to the Bench."
Citizen: "Your Fired!"
feinstein gives further proof that we have a one party system, with the dems and GOP being the 2 different wings of said party.
Plisko @ 18:
Corporate CEO: "Here's another $100,000 to ensure your re-election!"
never again...I done with her.period
How hard did Cali voters have to hold their nose when they pulled the level for this bitch?
And enough with the 'first/zed' nonsense already. That stopped being cool/clever/funny around the same time we got our first pubic hairs, and it's just clogging up the tubes.
Nicole, you are wrong. You can recall senators. Senators are statewide elected officials and CAN be recalled by the state. You are suggesting that unlike virtually every other politician, there is no recourse for senators - that is incorrect. Here in Arizona, we are in the process of recalling John McCain - or trying to.
The 17th amendment made the office of Senator a statewide ELECTED office. That is, a non-federalized process of selecting senators for a state involving voting by the state at large. The office of senator is a STATE office NOT a federal office - please understand that. The office of senator IS NOT the same as say the office of secretary of the interior - which is federal.
This is a common missunderstanding. In Arizona, the constitution states that any state official may be recalled - that means senators as well as governors etc. (Governor, secretary of state, senator are all state wide officials)
Plisko @ 18:
Should be "President" instead of "Senator." And thank Zeus the president will be outta there in 2009.
Fienstenstein is the product of laid back Californians not paying attention.
Have all written to Senator Feinstein to complain? Have you all written to your Senators?
Fientstein supported the iraq war and her husband made millions from those war contracts. Fienstein is a PNAC/AIPAC hack and is a republican in disguise.
Folks, the Congress is exercising a mob rule over the rights of the citizens.
Feinstein ain't so fine.
I won't be voting for Feinstein when she's running again. She lost me whe she supported Condi for Secretery of State, and this is the last nail in the coffin for Feinstein as far as my vote is concerned. If there aren't any 3rd party candidates running I'll just withhold my vote. Democrats like Feinstein need to go. If this means a republican candidate wins her seat (not likely in this state) I don't see much of a difference on the issues that really matter.
I honestly don't know why anyone is surprised...
And the congress ISN'T in solid Democrat hands. Unless you have a 61 vote majority in the Senate, you ain't got squat! Democrats can't even control their own damned party members. The repubs vote as a block, a cement block. When they need the votes they vote that way. When they have, or had, more than enough, they would allow some to vote off the reservation just to add an interesting spin. It's such a joke... I'd laugh, if I lived somewhere else.
Democrats can't even get their own party to vote with them most of the time...
Dianne is a twit. She had a 'Bush moment' and gazed into his eyes... I saw his soul... Oh, that was what was holding the knife to the constitution...
Her husband makes so much money...do ya think she still puts out?
Aaaah...with all his money, she doesn't have too. She gets him off by securing no bid contracts for him.
MeMyselfAndI @ 11:
I prefer kicking them in the nads, but I agree 110%
Stuffing the judiciary with RIGHT WING CORPORATE ASS_KISSING idealogue judges is the most long lasting legacy of Bush One and Bush two.....
It will take DECADES to rebalance the courts, and stop this head long lurch to becoming a corporate Oligarchy that Bush and his evil backers have left us with.
Screw Feinstien, Californians should vote her DINO ass out of office.
So I called and the explanation was she has decidedthat his opinions have been misunderstood????????
The She should make more details public I said-like which and how misunderstood. He has reassured her...like that means anything to people who believes the ends justify the means.....
I believe that anon is correct. I was just looking this up this morning as a matter of fact. I live in California, and I'm interested in trying to recall Nancy Pelosi for refusing to do her duty and begin the impeachment process for bush, cheney, and gonzales. She has no right or authority to take "impeachment of the table", period.
Anyhow, I beleive that any state elected official can be recalled, or even impeached, but I don't think every state in the country can do it. The first link below is what I was able to find for California rules, and the second was a proposal in Minnesota which has a map showing the states that currently have recall.
Link for California:
http://www.igs.berkeley.edu/library/htRecall2003.html
Link for proposal in Minn:
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/recall96.pdf
Feinstein also meddled in the Night Stalker case when she was Mayor of San Fran, as after Richard Ramirez committed some of his murders in the Bay area, Feinstein held a press conference, during which she disclosed two links of crucial evidence, she mentioned what type of gun was used, and she mentioned that casts were taken of shoe prints Ramirez left at the scene
Ramirez saw the conference, and promptly ditched the gun and sneakers
But at least the people of California have one decent enough Senator, Boxer
Here in Texas, all we've got are Hutchison and that uber-idiot twit John Cornyn
I really hope that the Republican party can reform themselves and start offering up candidates that I can live with as I dislike Feinstein but I have no choice in voting for her every six years as the Repugs always run somebody completely unfit for the job. Feinstein doesn't have to worry about her voting record as she knows that the Repugs and their shitty candidates keep her safely in office.
As a Democrat (or Republican), I am supposed to be able to tolerate the candidates from the other side. While I might not like them, I can put up with them for whatever term they are serving. That's how it should work, not how it is currently working.
AngryAmerican @ 34:
I agree. The two keys are 1) the state must allow for the recall of statewide officers and 2) the federal prohibition is regarding federal office holders - which does not describe senators. Senators are like governors - they are statewide elected officials. The governor serves in the state capital while the senator serves in the national capital. Both are statewide officials.
MeMyselfAndI @ 11:
For starters - 3500 Americans and upwards of a half million Iraqis dead.
A war that's sucked up 500 billion dollars that could have bought health care for everyone for the forseeable future, or repaired a shitload of bridges and schools, or just not been spent and left our grandkids in better shape financially.
Every time I hear someone say this, I know they don't think, they just go with the coffee shop wisdom.
Please - use your head for something other than a hat rack.
Here in Texas, all we've got are Hutchison and that uber-idiot twit John Cornyn
I have Jay Inslee in the house (he introduced the impeach Gonzo bill) and Murray and Cantwell.
Maria tend to vote Business Friendly a bit too much for my taste but I love Patty and Jay ROCKS!
You CAN have good congress critters, it's just a battle with the right wing idiots who put clowns like Cornyn back in office year after year after year!
MeMyselfAndI @ 11:
So much for the sitemonitors not allowing people to "advocate violence." Or are death threats okay?
Hey shithead, your voting for Nader helped Bush steal the election. Thanks dickhead!!
I eagerly await your attempt to stab me!!
straight shooter @ 38:
are you saying that dems did not vote for the war?
or are you saying that people that voted for nader are responsible for 3500 dead american soldiers?
please clarify.
signed,
coffee shop wise
As for the topic at hand, I have no doubt the Dems will approve his appointment. They knew what Alito and Roberts were and they let them right on through.
Brawlin_Dem @ 40:
i voted for nader, i guess i am a shithead too...? oh well
uberpartisans, both sides of the aisle, are a big part of the problem
Jello did call her Dianne Feinswine once...
Not a partisan at all. But why not own up to what you did? Are you really going to say there is no difference between Gore and Bush? Please say that you don't really believe that.
Great, thanks for the input anon.
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Smack_dab,
You are aware that there are more than just two Parties in this country, right? Way more than two Parties. Just sayin'. If we as American's want more from our government, we actually have to do something about it, and that means (among other things) that if you are not acurately represented by a Democrat or Republican, you should look for a Party that does represent you, or at least gets as close as possible.
This all supposes that shrub and shooter don't declare this country a police state and actually allow an election in '08, and that election is not stolen.
KingCranky @ 35:
Aint it the truth...and I along w/others will do as much as we can to see that J. Cornhole
is not re-elected in Nov. 08; BUT as you and I know, those conservative right-wing idiots
in both Dallas and Houston are pretty well "block votes" so the likelihood of tossing him
out is rather remote. Sad but true..
"uberpartisans, both sides of the aisle, are a big part of the problem"
Unfortunately, when the rightwing is the way they currently are, it forces the opposition to become just as hardline. If the Democratic party is all wishy washy and not focused and united, then nothing will check the Repugs. But by all means enjoy your meaningless vote for your meaningless candidate while the nation burns.
So basically, the Republicans have placed their pawns long time ago, and the Democrats are just trying to catch up.
I am just realizing that the optimism I had about America changing course in the near future might not be so justified.
Seems like the Dems are infiltrated to the core with DINOs, and when they celebrate "victories" like getting an equal amount of seats in the Senate, the Republicans play beaten, while they KNOW they still have the power, because a great number of Democratic Senators are on their side.
What a victory the 2006 elections were... They gave false hope to the American public, and I see a lot of naive people celebrating victory in 2008 on forehand and relaxing far more than they should.
Every time there is a real change to be made, a good number of Democracts turn their back to their party and the wishes of their people and votes for the horrible status quo or pushes America further towards the Fascist banana-republic it is becoming.
Are we somehow supposed to think that Karl Rove and co. hasn't known this and taken it into account all along?
Someone said in liberal states like California, Republicans that can't possibly win tend to run as opponents to very conservative Democrats. Is that a coincidence? Rove knows he cannot get a Republican in office there. Thus, a Democrat that will side with Republicans in all the major issues gets that seat. Well meaning, but naive Democrats think they own that seat and relax, and when they count their seats and reach 49, they feel happy, forgetting all the Liebermans and Feinsteins who have those seats.
Yes, the Democratic party is designed to win some insignificant battles and loose all the major ones. Hadn't they won some and created an illusion of progress, the majority of Americans that are sane would fight them harder.
God knows I love America, and I've tried to be optimist, but I can't see how sanity will be able to take control in time. The corporatists and NeoCons has the country in such a grip, only now are we starting to see what fights lie ahead.
You KNOW how shamelessly confident Rove etc. still are about elections in 2008 being much much closer than any happy-gay Obama/Hillary-blinded Dem are thinking.
Is there no-one on the left who are able to think pragmatically?
Brawlin_Dem @ 45:
"own up to what i did"? WTF? i voted.... this is america is it not? should i call party central to see who i should vote for? questions like that really make me proud to be an independent.
i would vote for gore in a second in '08 if he ran. in '00 things were different. back then he had melded too far into the corporatist-wing of the party. i couldn't support that. principles, and all. i thought gore would win (and he did) and hoped that nader would get the % he needed to get third party matching funds--figuring if the dems saw that their siding up with corporate powers was costing them votes and their was a left leaning challenger they might get back to their ideals of helping the little guy.
one of the biggest issues for me, not that anyone asked, is the collusion between corporate america and govt--i see it as detrimental to our democracy. and, in 2000, i just couldn't support someone that catered to that govt ethos.
[from 2000, just for an example of the preponderance of the evidence: "The Clinton administration and Gore are part of a system that infects both parties that allows corporate influence to gain access to the halls of power and distort our political process." says Peter Eisner, managing director of the Center for Public Integrity]
and, btw, gore DID win.
thus, this is moot point.
and this is O/T, sorry sitey...
So because you thought Gore was too far to the right you allowed yourself to be used as tool by Nader in his childish, egotisitic revenge plot? Nice. How proud you must be.
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Smack_dab @ 48:
this has nothing to do with being wishy washy, and i realize you don't understand that. i am a liberal, and the mainstream dems have become corporatists. that said, they are still--for the vast, vast majority--better than any GOP candidate, thus i generally vote for the dem. but, unlike you, i do not let partisanship blind me to the fact that that dems have become weak, and are for sale just like the repubs.
i am on C&L every single day fighting against the far right, and i take extreme insult to anyone that belittles my passion, my fight and my intentions.
Brawlin_Dem @ 52:
it saddens me to say this, but it seems like even moderate dems--like you--have forgotten what democracy is about. also, you only seem to read sections of my post, strange.
and thanks for the parting insult. i like to think that we can discuss issues and debate without resulting to name calling...
Smack_dab @ 48:
Clinton was almost as big of an Imperialist as Bush is. NAFTA is all about subjugating other countries so our corporations can profit.
Don't bury your head in the sand. Just because they have a (D) next to their name doesn't make them progressive. But by all means, keep fooling yourself into thinking these crooks are better, because that's what the establishment wants.
EZ @ 27:
Her lifelong loyalty was to one and only: AIPAC.
I am glad I voted for Gore. I can say that I did the most I could as a voter to oppose Bush in 2000 rather than stupidly throwing away my vote on an idiot who had zero chance of doing anything but be the spoiler. And only idiots believe there's no difference between the two parties or that any third party has any chance of making a positive difference.
The neo-cons and the religious whackos didn't make a third party, they corrupted the conservative party. If you want to make a difference, then go be part of the liberal party, the Democratic party. To paraphrase Rumsfeld, you go to war with the party you've got, not the party you'd like to have and this is war for our country's future. After we hopefully fix our nation, then you can go back to your third party folly.
Smack_dab @ 57:
by calling the democratic party the "liberal party" you have exposed your ignorance for all to see.
Smack_dab @ 57:
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/Sanctions.asp
Liberal Jer @ 15:
Ditto Jer although I stick with the Green candidate. I truly cannot stand Feinstein, although I'm happy to see she's eased back on the Joker makeup though.
On the upside, we do still have Barbara Boxer who I will vote for any election.
Don't bury your head in the sand. Just because they have a (D) next to their name doesn't make them progressive. But by all means, keep fooling yourself into thinking these crooks are better, because that's what the establishment wants.
I have been going to the Supreme Court for a decade, and the lurch to the right with Roberts and Alito is the single most frightening thing I have seen in my years of interest in the courts and progressive politics in general.
This is a bit of a "Gotcha" arguement, and YES Gore won the election anyway...
But, if Nader hadn't had those votes, it might not have gone to the USCC.....
And, with GORE in the WH, you don't have Alito and Roberts, two VERY YOUNG hard Right Corporate Idealogues on the court for decades.
This is an old discussion, and finger pointing IS pointless, but THIS DID MAKE A difference!!!
Just as Perot allowed a break in the decades of Republic Dominance and allowed Clinton in, Nader effected the outcome in 2000, and events unfolded from there.
THE POINT IS, even if Diane F. is no real progressive, we need to pull together and vote OUT every Republic thug we can?
Right now, that means voting Democrats in.....
Brawlin_Dem @ 45:
let me ask you this. If gore wins -- Will we fix health care? Will we leave Iraq (lol) -- Will we fix immigration?
Answer -- NO fucking way, (dream on) --- The AGENDA stays the same -- World Bankers (richest most powerful fucks on the planet) - need new Zillion dollar shoes for their next 10 generations.
Short answer: -- No difference between Gore (Dems) or Bushies (Reps) ---
THE AGENDA REMAINS THE SAME.
Samson- @ 58:
And so you'd rather tactily support the Repug party. Or are you so stupid to think that some party other than the Democratic party can dethrone the Repug party from power.
The US sided with the Soviets in WW2 not because we were pro-Communist but because we were both anti-Fascist. We need to join together and support the only entity that has a chance of defeating the Repugs and put the other stupidity aside until that is done. If not, then the Repug party and the neo-cons will win and our country is doomed.
Here's a couple more for you, Smack_dab, on your great, altruistic "liberal party":
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072100-03.htm
http://www.accuracy.org/article.php?articleId=44
Now tell me, the democrats are great, how?
To be clear, I too tend to vote for democrats. However, I don't blindly support anyone with a (D) next to their name, as you seem to. I'm fully aware of the fact that the democrats are in bed with the same corporations as the republicans, and have many of the same goals. They just have different talking points.
Also, if the democrats are so "liberal," why won't they come out in favor of gay marriage, ending the drug war, instating a nationalized health care system, and ending our imperialist/globalist policies in third-world countries?
Smack_dab @ 57:
call nader a "spoiler"
call me an "idiot" (i can take it. it is starting to sound like a compliment the more you write and toss around inaccuracies and insults--a badge of honor, if you will)
but, please, realize what nader has done for this country. you might hate that he ran for president, and be bitter. but any true liberal would know nader's history, and what he has done for this country, consumers, etc. seriously, you need to do a little research.
and, maybe you see the logic in the rummy quote about the army, but (fyi) it doesn't really further your argument to use such an outrageous statement as support.
Different Anonymous @ 60:
Hahahahaha-there's a thug in Dem clothing. She treats the help as if they're subhuman. Really. Too wealthy and high class to treat a Democratic Party precinct captain driving her to the airport as an equal. My friend was spoken down to, treated as though she were retarded. And she's has driven all sorts-Al Gore, the Clintons and on and on-Everyone treated her-up to that point, as a member of the Democratic Party-an equal. Boxer treated as if she were a slave.
The left coasters are a hoot. They have a Nazi governor, the traitor Duke Cunningham and a republican in democrats clothing for a senator.
California your a joke!
Samson- @ 65:
And OJ Simpson was an outstanding football player.
HEh @ 67:
:( It's true, it's true... California is supposed to be one of the last bastions of American liberalism, and yet we're so easily fooled. Look at former Gov. Pete Wilson. He put in place a lot of the mechanisms that allowed Enron to so thoroughly fuck over Californians, when he deregulated our electricity markets.
Another example: Prop. 187, the "We Don't Like Mexicans" bill.
Smack_dab @ 63:
you don't get it, so i'll write slower, hee hee
i know you are not well read on some of this stuff so i am trying to be patient. but the fact is that the push to the right/corporate is something BOTH parties have enabled.
the REAL issue (at least for me) is prying corporate america out of govt, and the dems--for the most part--are not interested in doing this. BUT, if you make them realize that the liberal votes are not guarenteed if they govern like corporatists, then, in order to retain their seat, they will have to rediscover their progressive values, what dem grassroots support.
i am interested in fighting the corporatocracy. when dems line up against it and refuse to be bought and manipulated then i will become a dem.
Jesse @ 64:
excellent post.
C'mon people -- can't we get past 2000 (and 2004). We KNOW the neoconmen fucked us over and now perhaps a majority of the American sheeple are finally coming to that realization. We have to move FORWARD. The reichwingers love it when we argue amongst ourselves -- and we can't give them that satisfaction.
Nader certainly didn't help with his candidacy; neither did Gore by failing to win his own home state; and the vote in 2000 should never have gone to SCOTUS because there's no flipping way that Busholini took Florida by 537 votes!
mudshark @ 21:
Let her know... or at least let her office staff know. What a bitch!
Samson- @ 41:
Damn right. Wake up...We're all responsible because we (all) fail to stop it.
Just another example of how there is one party with two wings in it. (Moderates (Dems) & Conservatives of the GOP)
Once again Feinstein's decisions demonstrate clearly why I voted against her last year. She is just terrible. In addition to her often pathetic stances on social issues, if you have a problem with the way the music industry is handling copyright matters, you should have an issue with Feinstein, she is wholly in their pocket. The only reason she gets elected is the "D" by her name. Party loyalists, always screwing it up for the rest of us...
Johnny2bad @ 74:
no, this is incorrect. i live in center city philly and i marched, i protested, i went to meetings, gatherings, you name it. i spoke up, i spoke out, i spoke to power. me and THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people did all over the country.
no, it was the politicians that voted for this war that sent our troops to die, and it was the politicians that stood by and let nearly a million iraqis be killed.
no, the real guilty people are the politicians that signed on to this war, the corporations that helped with the blitzkrieg propaganda, and the media outlets that focused on celebrity BS versus issues that matter.
you can blame yourself for the iraq deaths, that's fine. not me, i know that there are incredibly strong and powerful forces in this country that have political power that eclipses the will of the people(thanks santa clara versus S.Pacific RR). and that is why we have to guard against the corporate takeover of our government, by EITHER party. hence not a blind partisan vote.
Damn it!
What the hell is wrong with the democrats?! NO! We don't need FISA revisions. NO! We don't do interviews without transcripts. NO! None of Bush's appointments have qualifications or integrity.
Have they learned nothing?
I think Cindy Sheehan should consider running for the Senate against Dianne in the Democratic primary...
I lived in San Francisco for 20 years, and watched Di rise from a member of the board of supervisors to her current position as Senator. She has always been a republican masquerading as a Democrat. To my shame, I have voted for her in the past because "she was the lesser of two evils". No more. From here on out, the democrats only get my vote if they put up a genuine progressive candidate. I will never vote Republican, as I despise what that party has morphed into, but I may vote independent. If that puts another republican in office by splitting the democratic vote- so be it. Let's face it, we are no longer a country by, of and for the people. It's all about CORPORATIONS!
I agree wholeheartedly with catsagainstbush - in fact, I was just going to write that when I saw that s/he already wrote it. If Cindy during the course of events decides that she does not need to run against Pelosi, she should definitely run against the DINO Feinstein.
I'm a California voter who read this and immediately tried to call her office but it was busy and then I remembered that I can never get through to her office. It's either busy or I'm on hold forever or there's a message saying it's not business hours. Anyway, Feinstein disappoints again. Fascist enabler. Shame on her.
Makes you wonder if Diane Feinstein actually voted for Nancy Pelosi. She lives in her district.
George Wallace said "there's not a dime's bit of difference between the democrats and republicans".
Trouble is, we were content with the 9 cents of difference for too long. Myself included.
I call her something often alright. Hey Diane, retire and be a grandmother (probably the only thing you're good for, you *UPOP). We need principled leaders right now, not your dimwitted fluff. I'd give anything see a Democrat take a stand until completion. The pugs do it day after day!
miss_kitty @ 66:
Good to know, I had a different opinion of Boxer (based on media info - I'm from Arizona and it really isnt my business).
Samson- @ 54:
Obviously, the poster accusing you of "losing the election for the Dems" is stuck in partisan mode. You know how that goes. I'm a Dem, my dad was a Dem, my grandpa was a Dem, etc, etc, etc. And then that mentality of Dems vs ReTHUG and there is NO ALTERNATIVE or you are a traitor to (insert party name here). That's what is wrong with this damn country. You are either a Dem, a ReTHUG, or a hack that is to blame for so and so losing the election, even though so and so is complete garbage and unelectable.
Smack_dab @ 57:
Guess I'm an idiot then, because there is not one damn bit of difference between either political party and the entire country knows it. That is why independants get votes. It's called democracy. We should try it sometime instead of this two party cluster@#ck we pretend is one.
I don't know how it is possible for anybody who has followed her over the last 30 years can trust Diane Feinstein. I've always considered her to be another Joe Lieberman type. At every critical juncture, she a corporatist to the core.
I called Feinsteins office and expressed my disapproval. We cannot for one minute allow these people to think they aren't being watched.
Biafra/Keithley '08! TALK - ACTION = 0!
Seriously, if anyone wants to see what a really good political campaign looks like, they need only look to Jello Biafra's example. Nothing like vacuuming the leaves off of your opponent's front lawn and pushing to have cops go up for election in the neighborhoods they patrol to get some real media attention.
Actually call Barbara Boxers office to. Obviously she isn't supplying enough peer pressure.
and she is one of my representatives. i hate contacting her, once i do verify that i am in her disctrict, her form letters are so full of talking points and years of wraping herself around the right people, she problem couln't answer a simple honest question. she did put gonzo on the spot asking about material his office deleted in the justice department manual recently. a fauk it, they are all crooks and liars...
Smack_dab @ 57:
I gotta tell you, using a Rumsfeld quote to positively prove your point, uh... not so convincing.
the REAL issue (at least for me) is prying corporate america out of govt, and the dems--for the most part--are not interested in doing this. BUT, if you make them realize that the liberal votes are not guarenteed if they govern like corporatists, then, in order to retain their seat, they will have to rediscover their progressive values, what dem grassroots support.
i am interested in fighting the corporatocracy. when dems line up against it and refuse to be bought and manipulated then i will become a dem.
Well said.
NChomsky @ 88:
I also don't see much difference. I see the Corporatist Party with its two wholly owned subsidiaries, The Republican and Democratic Parties. However, within the Democratic Corporatist Party, there still remains a core of member who are still trying to be true to Traditional liberal/progressive ideals. That core is being steadily marginalized. Were it not fror grass roots efforts, they'd probably be non-existent at this point.
It does look like independent parties may be the way to go. The greens probably have the best chance of carrying on the tradition, but they are going about it all wrong - to such extent that effectively, all Nader accomplished was serving as a spoiler. The way to eventually achieve the WH is to do as the greens did in Europe. they started getting elected at the local, regional and provincial or state level. then got elected in ever larger number to parliments, until they became a force that could not be ignored. In other words, they did all the background work of changing and modifying paradigms. If the comfort level isn't nurtured among the average voter, it is absurd to think that anybody except the freest thinkers, visionaries and whatnot will vote for an independent for the highest office in the land. The European Greens succeeded because they recognized that there's no such thing as a free lunch. They invested the 20 years of work it took to pay the price of admission.
The Greens need to do the same thing here. City councils, county Boards of supervisors, Mayors, representatives and senators to state assemblies, US congress representatives, governors US senators. Not until then will a bid for the WH be credible or dilutive of votes to the least evil of two choices. the prerequisites have to be satisfied. With the prerequisite work only just recently begun, Nader, as much as I agreed with everything he said, was a fool for trying to get the office at such a deeply critical time. The background work is still happening only on the local and regional level. there was no possibility he could have succeeded. His impact on the debate was negligible. And the 2 million or so votes he took, ended up being critical. In an almost evenly split vote, in the age of bogus, rigged and dirty elections, his candidacy ended up being a force multiplier that accrued benefit solely to the Republicans.
I vote Green candidates for all local elections and would love to put one in the state assembly. There's no way one could currently get elected to the US House right now, in my district. won't be voting Greens for offices higher than that.
Hey, Arlen Specter is giving it all away too. He's a republican though.
Reid, for his part, when faces with a republican filibuster or opposition just folds up that tent and moves on. Why should I stand up to the republicans alone when the opposition party doesn't have the freaking balls god gave a mouse and standup to them and KEPP HAMMERING AWAY ON THE SAME BILLS!?!?!?
Are 'we' an opposition party? What are we opposed to? Democrats? Yah have to wonder...
How the good people of San Fransisco could ever vote for Feinstein is beyond me....
I called Senators office and the staffer said that the Senator had a very LONG LONG conversation with Leslie and she found him "moral" enough to pass through the committee - BUT that she had not decided if she would vote for him when it comes to final passage in the full Senate. Hmmm... She won't, if she listens to her people.
Didn't she approve of Hayden going to head up the CIA? I didn't realize that she was a Liebercrat until this article.
I've never understood her popularity and I've stood against her for years. The people praise her while she takes every advantage to fleece them.
Totally. Disgusting.
All Democrats should reject every Shrub nominee on principle. It is almost guaranteed that if Bush supports someone, that person is incompetent, a Bushie sycophant, and setting out on a far-right wingnut ideological agenda, however he/she may be disguised to make it through the process.
miss_kitty @ 66:
I never liked her, but being in NYC it wasn't very close to home. I've heard of her IMPERIAL ways and being an AIPAC turncoat, so your input of personal encounters of the 3rd kind gets another reddish flag in the blue camp UP. What would be the %% of these 5th column agents within dems? Anybody ever tallied that up ?
Lieberman lies more openly, uses his lies as a virtue, the others are more conniving - sad to contemplate who of them is more of an AIPAC sold sleaze.
I've held my nose and voted for Feinstein in the past , because the Republican alternative has been worse. Not much, but still worse.
Anymore, it's getting hard to tell the difference.
Liberal AND Proud @ 25:
Seems to be an epidemic in this country, not just CA.
NChomsky @ 88:
This is what is so sad about the state of our country, that so many do not understand or seemingly refuse to understand how politics works in this country, that they think by wishing it was different it magically will be different. There will always be two major parties and the rest will be not worth anything. The two major parties will look similar as both try to vie for the middle ground to win the most votes. If this country political middle ground shifted to the left, so would the Republican party in their effort to garner votes. Voting for a third party is a waste of time, you might as well just stay home as you're saying you accept the status quo.
I see no other choice but to vote Democratic in the hope they'll make this country a good place again and clean up politics as I know the Republican party will do none of those things.
Dems and Repubs are the same!! WAKE UP!!! Vote Ron Paul! Kucinich! Gravel!
My gawd people, look at that face. California, did you vote for eyes that look just a tad bit murderous?
Those are really cold eyes. But she's not the only COMPLICIT dem, is she.?
When can you work hard to dump this creep with the thick brown muff on her head?
Remember, DF has always voted for the flag amendment. Couldn't get any more right wing Republican.
It's better to vote for a marginal Democrat like Diane Feinstein than take a chance on getting an actual Republican in office that could do real harm. Even if her voting record as a Democrat is a little questionable, she still counts toward the Democratic Majority, and Democrats are still able to make committee assignments etc. As much as I like to see Joe Lieberman out of the Democratic Party, strategically it probably would have been better for him to remain a Democrat.
Barbara Boxer is great but she's always in danger of losing her seat to a Republican. Diane Feinstein's seat is much more dependable.
I can't stand Feinstein and never could. Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Carmikl @ 110:
What good does that do? Since it's Democrat in name, you wanna close your eyes and cross your fingers, and hope that next time she will do what's right for the American people?
You know a madman he tries the same thing over and over with no difference in results. If she votes like a Republican every time there is an important vote, I'd rather have a Republican. At least then we know what we have to deal with. Much better than someone who pretends to be something she's not and stabs you in the back all the time.
No it is not better to vote for a marginal candidate. I had no choice the last time around and I did not vote for either. We need a no confidence box to check and each winning candidate must get 50+ % of the vote. Dianne Feinstein is my Senator and I believe she should be impeached along with Chimpy. She did NOT do her constitutional duty but instead gave it away and look where it has gotten us. In fact putting them all in jail would be a great idea. the contunued allowance of this regime by the Senate is complicity in action. Diane has more in common with Bush than any of her constituents and she votes accordingly.
celsius @ 112:
But you do know what you're dealing with, a Democrat that votes like a Republican. No surprises there. But when Democrats have a razor thin majority in the Senate, every warm body with a (D) after his or her name counts toward who gets to set the agenda. If there was a Republican in her seat, Mitch McConnell would be the majority leader.
Mmmm, yes. Fear in the hearts of the ungrateful dems (has a familiar ring) works pretty well. Fear for the dems fear for the thugs, threaten those self-satisfied corporatists whose only liberalness is liberally shaking out fear on us like salt on french fries.
Really, threaten all corporatists dem/repug with some CHAOS in their lives, let them feel that horrible sting in their hearts, that threat of loss they've so generously bestowed upon us. And then, FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE LOSSES.
Stomp Hillary Clinton! We know we don't like her! Tie up Nader with a challenger!
All of those people we know are not public servants. The ones we have to look at sideways and sigh. We're sick of these people are we not?
We can make the next election a game of musical chairs. It's not too late to bring in fresh contenders from every state. Keith Olbermann, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, we've GOT Al Franken, who else??? This can be fun! Anyone?
Jello Biafra is awesome
Thanks for the number.
People...please call it and pass it on.
The dems have lost their balls, spines, and gumption.
jack jett
www.jackejett.com
This is why the republican media got off her back about her husbands deals in Iraq. She muct have struck some kind of deal with them that she will start back voting for the evil policies she has been voting on sense Bush took office.
This is a democrat that has really did a three hundred fifty degree turn and it is so painful to watch her at every turn just stab American people right in the back.
It has to be this situation she's in with her hubby involved up to his neck with the Iraq deals he is getting.
It just makes you sick dont it?
Feinstein is a Bush ally especially since her husband is a war profiteer. He wins billion dollar Army contracts and she votes the way the Bush Co wants her to vote. If you follow the money trail, it all makes perfect sense. Her husband's company bought a subsidiary of Carlisle in 2003. They are all in bed together, folks. this is why you will see a lot of crap from the democrats, but no action. Michael Moore's and the Ralph Nader's are the people everyone should be listening to to save this country. Watching the US from a real democratic foreign country (New Zealand) depresses me to see all the red herrings out there and the public goes for it. Follow the money and who benefits!!!
RE: Senator Feinstein:
I kept waiting for her to be the progressive we all thought we were told she was.
But I didn't do my homework . . . not since White put bullets into the Mayor and Harvey Milk, long ago.
I was living On The Peninsula, when that happened. I remember it.
And she began to work her mojo.
I didn't do my homework. And apparently, no one ELSE in Nor Cal did, either.
And now, she's Lieberman Left Coast.
As a former San Mateo, CA resident, and present Sacto, CA resident, I'm ashamed I ever voted for her.
What a phreakin betrayal. I'm ashamed, and I don't mind saying so.
She AND Boxer have to go . . . and we need to steer to more progressive people into the GREAT progressive state of Nor Cal.
And Pelosi is on stand and being judged, tomorrow, if she caves to the FISA that will allow the present USAG to be the DECIDERERERERERERERERE . . . then Pelosi, as ALL our Senate Dem's and House members are, are at their last leg of this progressive extension of our hearts.
After this, they all hafta go. Gone. Period. Don't care, yer fired, I'm declaring DECLINE TO STATE, and I'm lookin to any others available . . . and I don't care WHO they are, as long as they are new, and I know where they come from and WHO'S funding them . . . . . and they PROMISE to uphold some old ideas I done growed used to.
Habeus.
Posse Comitatus.
Seperation Of Powers.
NO Executive Privilages Or Unitary Executive!!!
No 4th Branch . . what a crock of shit, it's not in the Constitution, it's a MADE UP NAME!!!
And we gave it to them . . . we gave it to them.
So.
They have absolutely DESERTED us, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, in our time of need, and in this Republic's, and in our Constitution's TIME OF NEED!!!
How was it that so many SF voters, and Nor Cal voters, of GREAT intellignence, more than mine, how was it they continued to vote Sci-Fi into her Senate Office, time after time? And Boxer, too? And Pelosi?
. . . hmmm?
I mean, I'm not really sure they got our best interests at heart . . . in fact, I think they played us like punks and punkettes.
Is ANYONE ever gonna get PISSED about this?
Larue In Sac-Harumph.
Lawrence Santoro @ 26:
Yes, then I twiddled my thumbs for six hours. Guess which was more productive.
Feinsein I hope you are enjoying the largesse of your husband's war profiteering. It is very apparent you don't give a sh*t about anything else. I have absolutely no idea what compels your reactionary votes in Congress but I do know that you don't represent anybody but your self and George W. Bush's greedy friends.
Brawlin_Dem @ 52:
You would sound more convincing if the Democrats actually weren't Republicans. I can tell you you are sounding real old real fast.
Liberal AND Proud @ 25:
I would like to take issue with this.
I would have liked to have had a primary challenger to her for the last 2 elections. No real challenge would come. Any Democratic primary challenger would be crushed by the party. Dianne is far too powerful, and currently, the Democratic nominee for Senate in CA will win because the Republicans keep nominating far far far right guys, rather than moderates.
We in California know what she is, but as long as she runs, the party will support her and she will win.
I voted Green in 2006, knowing full well it would not make a goddamn difference.
Brawlin_Dem @ 40:
No votes for Nader helped Bush to steal the election.
Not counting votes, preventing people from voting...that stole the election.
Voting for Nader was legal, sorry to tell you, so did not contribute to the theft.
If the votes were counted and not stopped by the SCOTUS, the votes for Nader would even have been a blimp.
And chew on this...
More Democrats voted for BUSH in Florida than voted for Nader. Bitch at those people, if you want to complain about anyone's vote.
/just sayin'
Smack_dab @ 68:
logical fallacy, false analogy. If you want to be a propagandist. you should be a Republican or work for Diane Feinstein. Oops you are,you do.
Tequilatarian @ 123:
Another good reason not to vote for the Democrats. If they want to field reactionaries like Feinstein then screw them.
jackp @ 118:
I would love to live in New Zealand but I hear its pretty hard to emigrate there.
Smack_dab @ 63:
Oh goody, dethrone the Republicans with Democrats that will solve all our problems. Then we'll have A Bill Clinton f**king over the poor, pushing globalism, selling us out at every opportunity, taking money from Marc Rich and the Israeli arms merchants. We'll have a Madeliene Albright who helped murder a half a million Iraqi children as she has us shed tears about her family's persecution by the Nazis. We'll have a coterie of people like James Carville, Dick Morris, Stephen Stephanoupolis. Great! I'm really looking forward to your great progressive party. We need a third party or a goddamn revolution, anything but these tweedle dee tweedle dum criminals that have running things for far far to long.
Aw, don't be too hard on Feinstein. After all, she is an honors graduate from the Joe Lieberman School of Politics!
larue @ 119:
Who said Feinstein was a progressive?
That would be ... nobody.
I never cared for Franknstein! It takes more to be a good senator then just speaking out against injustice. At the end of the day you have to deliver
and to many times this has failed to happen under her Leadership. Vote her OUT.
yeranalyst @ 128:
If you'd like to offer up some other course of action, I am all ears but every time I hear people whine about how the Democrats are just the same as the Republicans, I hear no other alternative being offered (unless you think constant whining will solve everything). As I see it, electing more Democrats (aka removing Republicans) is our only hope.
All our pent up anger should be focused on changing the system to allow recall of Federal officers and term limits for all Federal officers. We can change this system from the "mendicant democracy" we have to a system that is far more responsive. Careful reading of the National Initiative for Democracy reveals a well crafted proposal that would allow us to take the control of government away from the military-industrial corporations. This is not a recipe for mob rule as the corporations would have us fear. The last 20 years of Pew polling of public opinion show people's priorities to be quite progressive. This is indeed threatening to them and they will spin it mightily. But every vote for the National Initiative is a vote away from military-industrial corporatist control of our government. Yesterday saw the beginning of the end of the Diebold, etc. empire of electoral fraud. Today could see the beginning of people starting to reclaim their power as the fourth branch of government. Vote.
I called her office, asked them to convey to the senator my tremendous disappointment in her capitulation to bush and his henchmen, and then said in a straight voice that I hoped that the rumor that I had heard - that she was switching to the republican party - was true. The person taking my call replied "really, you heard that?" I lied and responded that I had.
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