Robertson's viewers send him their SS checks while he wants to privatize Social Security and wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent. The marks will fall for anything "culture war" while these preachers live the mansion and a yacht lifestyle. Props to Obama

2nd

Rich Old White Men Wearing Expensive Suits

Rich old white men
wearing expensive suits
pontificating
on the evils
of liberals and gays
and single parent families
preaching about
the coming final battle
good versus evil
as if they wished
they could make it happen
a prerequisite
for the second coming of Jesus
in spite of all the people
who would be killed in the destruction

Rich old white men
wearing expensive suits
strut across the stage
yelling and waving their Bibles
putting the fear of God
in those who feel the need
to fear something
taking people’s money
to pad their lavish lifestyles
and to promote
their own brand of poison
they fund schools and missions
that obliterate and subvert
the true mission of their Savior
that every man woman and child
should be loved and honored
as if each one
was the Creator in person

Rich old white men
wearing expensive suits
never stood in a food line
slept on a sidewalk
filed for unemployment
they never wore a uniform
feared death in battle
lost a limb or a loved one
to a roadside bomb
or a sniper’s bullet
though their dollars
have often purchased
land mines and sniper’s bullets
they never picked cotton
cabbages or fruit
never swung a hammer for a living
never sweated to make a mortgage payment
or worried about health care
But they will take
an old woman’s last dollar
let her think she’s saved
and tell her Jesus loves her
until she loses her home

Rich old white men
wearing expensive suits
are destroying my country
club people over the head
with their Bibles
use Old Testament Law
for a New Testament religion
that bombs medical clinics
and shoots doctors
invades hospices
trampling family’s grief
there is no New World
to which we can escape them
seek refuge from persecution
like the Pilgrims of old
freedom of religion
freedom from religion
freedom of thought
freedom to live however we damn well please

Rich old white men
wearing expensive suits
we can only wait for them to die

Robertson isn't REALLY a preacher-he's a money-grubbing conman with an innate need for power and money.

He is without ethics and principles. A sociopath.

I have a VISION......

Pat Robertson is old and will die very very soon.

The insane man better not target Obama or any American
in any way he referenced an elected president in Venezuela.

And what the hell is his book all about.

The New World Order (Paperback)
by Pat Robertson
http://www.amazon.com/New-World-Order-Pat-Robertson/dp/0849933943

quote from the book The New World Order:

"As a brief personal note, my father, A. Willis Robertson, succeeded his fellow Virginian, Carter Glass, in the United States Senate in 1946. Glass had chaired the House Banking and Currency Committee, and my father went on to chair its counterpart in the Senate, where he had the hearty support of the banking community. As I write this I am looking at a lovely sterling SILVER tray given him by the American Bankers Association at their annual meeting in San Francisco, October 25, 1966. My father was also a colleague in the . (Robertson, The New World Order, p.126)

Carter Glass ..puppet of the Rockefellers.

And yes. Prescott Bush—grandfather of President Bush was involved in financing Hitler's rise to power.

Jason @ 10:

lilybelle @ 6:

Guess I'm going to piss in the punchbowl here. Am I supposed to be pleased with Obama saying we're no longer a Christian nation, but now also a Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non believing one? Hello. We never were a Christian nation but a secular one. Am I the only one who finds his commitment to secularism insufficient?

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Thanks for setting me straight. I'll try inanity "Pat Robertson is old and will die very very soon," instead.

Good goin' Obama. That's what you get for going on a crazy man's show. You had sense enough not to go on Fox but because you want everyone to think you're a big Christian you go on CBN.

I've got news for you, a lotta uninformed people still think you are a Muslim and they don't necessarily watch CBN so don't waste your time.

There's a larger group of voting public than the religious right. Get out there and vote... don't let them steal another election!

miss_kitty @ 7:

Robertson isn't REALLY a preacher-he's a money-grubbing conman with an innate need for power and money.

He is without ethics and principles. A sociopath.

But he has such a nice smile.

Obama, like virtually every other public figure is wrong about a very critical detail (perhaps he does this to appease the behemoth voting block that Evangelicals represent). He states it was the "Forebears to the Evangelicals" who were most adamant about erecting barriers between church and state. In fact, it was the Deists. For those unaware, a great many of the founding fathers including nearly all of "the biggies" were Deists.

The wikipedia entry is not ready to conclude this, but it offers enough clues for the curious to look further:

In America, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by Deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of separation of church and state, expressed in the religious freedom clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Founding Fathers who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams,Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, Hugh Williamson, James Wilson,[31] and James Madison.[32] Although these men were members of traditional Christian denominations (Hugh Williamson was a Presbyterian and the rest were Episcopalians), their political speeches show distinct Deistic influence. Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly Deist. These include Ethan Allen[33] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize Deism throughout America and Europe). Elihu Palmer (1764-1806) wrote the "Bible" of American Deism in his Principles of Nature (1801) and attempted to organize Deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York."

Currently (as of 2007) there is an ongoing controversy in the United States over whether or not America was founded as a "Christian nation" based on Judeo-Christian ideals. This has spawned a subsidiary controversy over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians or Deists or something in between.[34] Particularly heated is the debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington, for some of whom the evidence is mixed.[35] However, Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful."[36]

I agree about the "no longer" part but Obama's overall message was still a good one. It's the CBN folk who seem to be emphasizing the "no longer" part more so than Obama.

Can someone please tell what day it was when GOD said only the gop can believe in him?Well lord knows they need him more than the rest of us.Thye may own this war but my lord they don't own.

If we had true seperation of Church & State Robertson would be arrested for threatening the lives of foreign leaders.

Back in the begining of American history witches had freedom of speech too...

Gurgle, gurgle gaaaccckkkk!

LP@19:

But he has such a nice smile.

Are you saying Pat has a perty mouth? ;)

Barak's looking more presidential every day.

Left Behind Advocate1 @ 30:

Osama is dead wrong on this issue.

But not to worry, my pastor and our church are taking this matter heartily. There is an ongoing underground movement amongst our church to discredit Obama, and his bully of the pulpit. And this movement is growing steadily ever since he made his anti-christian remarks.

LOL. You've done a nice job, LBA1, of parodying the idiotic Christian Right. You play the idiot role very well. Don't lose that sense of humor.

If the fairness doctrine comes back we crack down on CBN first.

30
so, please, tell us what Christ taught us about this sort of thing....
your post tells of a so called preacher who is doing the very thing Christ warned us about- people who use His name to further their own interests.

Robertson’s cbn-the crappy butthole network is the danger we should be afraid of. they only spew hate not compassion. they should really read the bible they quote from. i believe it says, paraphrase, it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter heaven. robertson is so weighted on his way to hell.

Okay, this isn't related, but you have to see how this little neo-con is supporting the war and talking about 'sacrifice' like his fat little ass even knows the concept! It's sickening. Let's give this clown a C&L awakwning!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_W9H4_08o

I have a relative who watches CBN/TBN all the time. I hear the most incredible things coming from these "Christian" preachers. I'm sure my tax dollars are paying for some of this crap thanks to BushCo because hardly an hour of the day goes by without one and all praising the Preznit. Hardly a day goes by without hearing the story of how when Bush was asked about a philosopher he admired he named Jesus.

That's as far as it goes. They never question the war, poverty, lack of health insurance, the demise of the middle class, autism rates, nothing but the one quoted story above proves, PROVES, that Bush is a great Christian. No one ever asks, "How come Mr. Preznit and Christian never attends church?"

I applaud Obama bringing even one moment of sanity to this audience. On CBN/TBN Democrats are always bad, GOPers are always good, and Bush is pretty close to being God's other son.

I'm digging Obama these days. I was a little concerned about his comments about Pakistan, but I don't think he was way over the line on that (if one is to trust the official story on Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, and the attacks of September 11, 2001.)

Regarding lilybelle @ 6:

Guess I'm going to piss in the punchbowl here. Am I supposed to be pleased with Obama saying we're no longer a Christian nation, but now also a Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non believing one? Hello. We never were a Christian nation but a secular one. Am I the only one who finds his commitment to secularism insufficient?

Seriously, what do you want? He said, "Whatever we once were, we’re no longer just a Christian nation..." and he went on to include "non-believers" too. I don't think its necessary for a candidate to get into a discussion of the history of religious beliefs among the founding fathers or the country as a whole, and I think Obama dodged that discussion deftly. I think it is important to describe a vision of where we should go. And as much as its important to define a secular future with room for atheists, its not necessary to browbeat the religious for their silly superstitions either. I think Obama hit a very inclusive balance here.

Perhaps he's a uniter not a divider.

And Pinocchio's "dad" was Guiseppe (Joe, for the non-Italian).

I've noticed over the past week that the right-wingers really are attacking everything Obama has said full bore. Is it because they fear him more than Hillary in a general election?

And Pinocchio's "dad" was Guiseppe (Joe, for the non-Italian).

Actually Pinocchio's dad was Gepetto

That was for old billy @ 47

Old Billy @ 54:

Fanon @ 51:

And Pinocchio's "dad" was Guiseppe (Joe, for the non-Italian).

Actually Pinocchio's dad was Gepetto

Really?

Boy is my face red.

.

Good thing no one can see you, then ;)

I'm in a group that's going to be left behind when the rapture comes. I can tell you that Jerry's Rolls drives like a dream, though it overheats because the holes in the radiator keep healing up. I'm in line for one of Pat's Lexuses now. I think I'd like the pink one he keeps in the garage to caress every Sunday afternoon. I'll probably have to repaint that right side back fender. It's rubbed down to the primer in spots. The pink latex seat covers have to go.

Kevin Foster @ 24:

It's difficult to express how disappointed I am that Barak Obama would appear on CBN. Why is Obaba shoring up the credibility of a hate-mongering, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic kook like Robertson by appearing on his network? For Christ's sake, Robertson endorses assinations.

This action, on the part of Obama, makes me lose all respect for him. I was going to vote for him, but he's just proved his judgment is very, very bad.

I have a question for you, why didn't you lose all respect for Obama a few weeks ago when he stated that he would meet with the world's most repugnant leaders without preconditions? Obama is interested in engagement and dialog, i'm not surprised that that philosophy includes the religious right. Maybe Hillary is the candidate for you.

Roket @ 58:

I have the honor of living in a small town that was attacked by CBN. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that CBN does not report the truth. The only thing correct in their story was the location. The rest was pretty much fiction. Obama should be careful whom he panders to. Robertson will not hesitate to lie if he feels his God will benefit from that lie. That, of course, would be the God of the Monetary Church of Christ.

Of course that would be in line with Eusebius's doctrine of "holy lying." I used to think it was Irenaeus, but then I saw the errors in my ways.

Old Billy @ 60:

exit7a @ 56:

Hey what about the F.S.M ?? I am insulted

Rahmen, brother.

Breed more pirates, aaarrrghhh!

CBN: The "Crazy Bastard's Network".

ysbaddaden @ 27:

If we had true seperation of Church & State Robertson would be arrested for threatening the lives of foreign leaders.

Not to worry, the "separation clause" is alive and well. If anything our culture is becoming more and more intolerant of Christian symbolism, as reflected by the rise of atheistic fundamentalism in our midst and confirmed by crusaders such as Rob Sherman meeting with some limited success in the courts. (Ironically, everyone has faith in something, even the atheists, who apparently believe their world view is "correct.")

If Robertson should be arrested for directing an off-handed comment toward Chavez, a foreign leader, then what in all fairness should be done with our fellow Americans who are equally guilty of directing similar comments toward our very own government officials, i.e. Bush, Cheney, Snow et al?

The truth of the matter is Robertson was not serious, and hopefully the same can also be said about our fellow citizens whose frustrations cause them to say regrettable things.

You know, if Robertson wants to go on TV and wax poetic about how this country was founded on Christian principles, the First Amendment protects his right to do so. Stating a belief/opinion our country is a "Christian nation" and actually having the power to replace the Constitution with the Holy Bible are two very different things.

The best way to cope with media hounds like Robertson is to just ignore them and not stress out about perceived threats which have absolutely no chance of materializing. Overreacting to what he says and heaping scorn on the man, either in the real world or the blogosphere, will only make it easier for him and his followers to position themselves as being the reasonable ones. When the urge to rebut cannot be quelled, then speak the truth in love and try to avoid conspiracy theories.

Give me eternal rest in a place with a beer volcano and a stripper factory ....

Jason @ 10:

lilybelle @ 6:

Guess I'm going to piss in the punchbowl here. Am I supposed to be pleased with Obama saying we're no longer a Christian nation, but now also a Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non believing one? Hello. We never were a Christian nation but a secular one. Am I the only one who finds his commitment to secularism insufficient?

Ironic ain't it?

Obama made a critical error. He used the word "reasoning". That is code for Thomas Paine's Age of Reason, for which Robertson and his ilk have deemed the Satanic Atheist.

pine nut @ 70:

Kills me that these people don't get it that the foundation of their religion, Protestantism, was the religion of the Puritans and other religious expatriates who came here to escape persecution for their religious beliefs. They most certainly had strong feelings about keeping church and state separate and for good reason.

They don't understand their history. I'm sick of the babblings of idiots who don't even bother to pick up a damn US history book to back up what they are saying.

The vast majority of Americans are 6th grade dropouts.

Pat should spend the Summer cleaning toilets in Fallujah.

[...] C&L posted this excerpt from an e-mail Obama sent to a Christian Broadcasting Network correspondent: For my friends on the right, I think it would be helpful to remember the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy but also our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn’t the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment…. It was the forbearers of Evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they didn’t want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it. [...]

arroyo @ 77:

Pat should spend the Summer cleaning toilets in Fallujah.

With his tounge

“America wasn’t built on Hinduism,” Robertson continued. “America wasn’t built on Islam. America wasn’t built on Buddhism. America and our democratic institutions were built on the Christian faith. There is no question about it…. And I think to put Christianity on a par with Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., I believe this man is doing a grave disservice to our nation.”

A valiant effort by Obama, but he obviously underestimated the extremism of the evangelical deluded. Robertson and his intolerant ilk clearly could give a rats ass about any other religion but their own. After all their fairy tale clearly states that the only way to save yourself from an eternity of fire and burning and choking and pain and sorrow and misery for all of eternity is to avoid at all costs the multitude of other pesky gods/religions. Be it by choice or forced on you via legislation. They just wanna save you damned sinners, don't you see!

What your guvmint really should be doing to ensure your salvation, is to provide a soul-saving list of deities to worship, like Wiki does. Never can be too careful when it comes to your salvation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

lilybelle @ 6:

Guess I'm going to piss in the punchbowl here. Am I supposed to be pleased with Obama saying we're no longer a Christian nation, but now also a Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non believing one? Hello. We never were a Christian nation but a secular one. Am I the only one who finds his commitment to secularism insufficient?

Nope. You are not the only one. To say, as he does, that we are no LONGER a Christian nation implys that at one time we were. This is bogus.

Old Billy @ 47:

I'm digging Obama these days. I was a little concerned about his comments about Pakistan, but I don't think he was way over the line on that (if one is to trust the official story on Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, and the attacks of September 11, 2001.)

Regarding lilybelle @ 6:

Guess I'm going to piss in the punchbowl here. Am I supposed to be pleased with Obama saying we're no longer a Christian nation, but now also a Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non believing one? Hello. We never were a Christian nation but a secular one. Am I the only one who finds his commitment to secularism insufficient?

Seriously, what do you want? He said, "Whatever we once were, we’re no longer just a Christian nation..." and he went on to include "non-believers" too. I don't think its necessary for a candidate to get into a discussion of the history of religious beliefs among the founding fathers or the country as a whole, and I think Obama dodged that discussion deftly. I think it is important to describe a vision of where we should go. And as much as its important to define a secular future with room for atheists, its not necessary to browbeat the religious for their silly superstitions either. I think Obama hit a very inclusive balance here.

Perhaps he's a uniter not a divider.

And Pinocchio's "dad" was Guiseppe (Joe, for the non-Italian).

Returning to this thread to late, so I don't know why I'm bothering, but here's secularism 101. This isn't about the history of religious beliefs but of our Constitution. That presumably is within the purview of someone who wants to be president. Our nation and constitution from their very inception have been secular. This heritage is not anti-religion. This heritage is not pro-religion. Pointing out this fact and defending secularism is not about browbeating the religious. Indeed, one can defend scrupulously secular government and be deeply religious. Or not. Again, secular does not mean non-religious. It means that religion is a private issue.

Giving any support to the dangerous and anti-American claim that the US was a Christian nation is not made ok by ecumenical gestures. And, no, I don't want shout-outs for agnostics and atheists. Yes, Obama is sincere in his embrace of those from all religious backgrounds as well as those who hold no religious beliefs. But we deserve no less than a president who affirms that our country is not now nor ever has been a Christian nation, that our constitution is entirely secular.

Old Billy--Is this an example of the straw horse fallacy or false dichotomy logical fallacy?: "And as much as its important to define a secular future with room for atheists, its not necessary to browbeat the religious for their silly superstitions either."

S. @ 49:

I've noticed over the past week that the right-wingers really are attacking everything Obama has said full bore. Is it because they fear him more than Hillary in a general election?

The right fears all the candidates more than Hillary. They are praying for Hillary to get the nomination. Her support in the South and mid west is poor. White men do not like her and neither do post 50 year old women. That is a huge voting block. She has the highest negatives of all the DEM candidates. The right is salavating that she will be the nominee as they have not even begun to trash her. The media is pushing her as they want another corporate GOP poster boy. Wake up and get to work for either Obama or Edwards.

sulphurdunn @ 86:

Fundamentalism in any form is and always has been an aggressive instrument of imperial politics.

yEAh when I think about it...how right you are...for a whole German nation to be so bankrupt to think it was OK for all the Jews and queers to be rounded up. After seeing that and then see neighbor set against neighbor in Iraq, one can only wonder when will it happen here?! Frightening your statement, please! Are you trying to wake us all into reality?

damn liberals picking on pat robertson again-- of course pat supports the way things were back when the founding fathers were doing the founding-- we also had great forms of punishment back then-- ah . . . the good old days--

http://www.uncp.edu/home/canada/work/allam/16071783/law.htm

Colonial Americans thought of themselves as moral and religious people. There were, however, many occurrences of crime and wrongdoing. Here are some common forms of punishment:

* Stocks: Wooden framework with foot holes in which the ankles were locked while the criminal sat down.
* Pillory: Like the Stocks, the Pillory was a wooden framework. The Pillory, on the other hand, had holes for the head and hands. Also, the criminal had to stand. It was common to throw items such as rotten fruit and/or rocks at the criminal which made the already extremely uncomfortable Pillory an even worse punishment.
* Whipping Post: This was simply where criminals were whipped before the entire town.
* Ducking Stool: The Ducking stool was a chair to which criminals were tied and dunked into water as punishment.

Never in a million years could Hillary speak like OBAMA.
Especially, here.

I am impatiently waiting for Robertson's creator (the devil) to recall him back to his just reward.Soon I hope.

Chip @ 88:

Rusty Shackleford @ 80:

Chip @ 67:

If anything our culture is becoming more and more intolerant of Christian symbolism...

Pardon my French, but where the fuck do you live? Certainly not Memphis.

It's obvious my statement was made in the context of the public square. People are sensing the growing intolerance to Christianity and responding with various displays on their own private property, ranging from the hideous to the sublime.

If by "public square" you mean public property (courthouses, schools, parks, etc.) then there should be NO tolerance for religious displays. I'm glad the intolerance is growing. You want to put up a cross or a Ten Commandments rock, do it on your own damn property.

Anyone else think it's hilarious that a white christian southerner is criticizing a man of African heritage for not being faithful to "the origins of our nation"? Those origins were a little different for men and women of African heritage than for white christians living down south.

The guy selling hotdogs from a cart in Times Square knows about separation of church & state. Any sensible ordinary Joe holding a can of Bud knows better.
We're just used to freaky abberrants in our faces, who the loudest but the fewest among us.
Obama, I'm wondering if you're gonna sell us out in more serious ways. Let's get real about THOSE.

This should not be a big deal.

Republicans desperately want Hillary to get the Democratic nomination.

They honestly think that her nomination would re-energize their base, cause their people to overlook the f***ing mess Bush had made of nearly everything, and harken back to the good old days of "Hate Everything Clinton."

So, that leads conservative Talking Heads and Opinionmeisters to generally downgrade Obama and talk up Hillary.

It seems obvious to me. It is, for the most part, SPIN.

JohnnyThief @ 90:

miss_kitty @ 7:

Robertson isn't REALLY a preacher-he's a money-grubbing conman with an innate need for power and money.

He is without ethics and principles. A sociopath.

He's also a profiteer,... the money he used for his media empire came from diamond mines in Africa,...

I wish Chavez would 'do unto others',...

Correct you both are. I don't know if he does but I know Falwell definitely took wads of cash and gifts from Israel to hand over the religious right as a major voting block which supported its ill treatment and military occupation in the Middle East.

Obama's statement was brilliant by the way.

No one is paying any attention to the Republicans, and they won't be when they decide to go on a Hillary trash spree.

The reason for Clinton's immovable pull is the reality is that Clinton represents a somehow happier time (e.g., the 90s) and people believe in the idea that could happen again when they hear the name Clinton. And at least, though Clinton has many strings attached to her, neither she nor her husband are stupid -- far from it -- with only the support of corporate funders making them capable of making a creative decision.

Hillary, Obama and Edwards all have persuasive strongsuits. I'm definitely thinking Obama knows how to talk to the people in a manner that makes it impossible to see otherwise. But he has his moments of shakiness as well. Edwards is humanitarian to the point of detached from tactical presence on the international scale. Hillary has a strong pull with the scholastic, career-minded young female, but has all of the ugly corporate background dragging her down...

Whatever the case may be, I think they're a fun bunch to watch all around. Obama certainly gave an airtight, profoundly diplomatic punch to the over-reaching Christian right empire.

Also, Obama appearing on CBN? He addressed them. I don't think he gave them value by making a bid for persuasion. Turning a blind eye to a giant crank machine and not showing the public how absurd they can be made to seem (with skill) from time to time doesn't help matters... But certainly he should not make a habit of it.