So when a democrat becomes president, and informs the nation that it's time to start paying for all the stuff the Bushies charged on a credit card, the democrats will be blamed as big taxers.

Oh, and frist?

King of Mean @ 1:

So when a democrat becomes president, and informs the nation that it's time to start paying for all the stuff the Bushies charged on a credit card, the democrats will be blamed as big taxers.

Oh, and frist?

Dude, it's already begun. Didn't you hear Bush this morning? He spent 30 seconds talking about the poor miners and the rest of the time trying to tell us how great the economy is because of E-Bay. He also said the evils dems want to pass the greatest tax hike in the history of our country. He was so wasted. He reminded me of a drunk pulled over by a cop and trying like hell to appear sober.

strawberry @ 3:

King of Mean @ 1:

So when a democrat becomes president, and informs the nation that it's time to start paying for all the stuff the Bushies charged on a credit card, the democrats will be blamed as big taxers.

Oh, and frist?

Dude, it's already begun. Didn't you hear Bush this morning? He spent 30 seconds talking about the poor miners and the rest of the time trying to tell us how great the economy is because of E-Bay. He also said the evils dems want to pass the greatest tax hike in the history of our country. He was so wasted. He reminded me of a drunk pulled over by a cop and trying like hell to appear sober.

It is dawning on a befuddled Bush that he is in danger of losing everything.

L.A. Confidential @ 5:

strawberry @ 3:

King of Mean @ 1:

So when a democrat becomes president, and informs the nation that it's time to start paying for all the stuff the Bushies charged on a credit card, the democrats will be blamed as big taxers.

Oh, and frist?

Dude, it's already begun. Didn't you hear Bush this morning? He spent 30 seconds talking about the poor miners and the rest of the time trying to tell us how great the economy is because of E-Bay. He also said the evils dems want to pass the greatest tax hike in the history of our country. He was so wasted. He reminded me of a drunk pulled over by a cop and trying like hell to appear sober.

It is dawning on a befuddled Bush that he is in danger of losing everything.

L.A. I wonder if people like him can be that introspective. He seems to be a strictly reactionary creature. Poke him with a stick, he'll bite. I just don't think he's deep enough to realize he's on the verge of crashing and burning.

In a famous debate Lincoln addressed exactly this point and why Congress and not the President was given the power to declare war..

Abraham Lincoln famously explained the principle this way:

"Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose – and you allow him to make war at pleasure…. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after you have given him so much as you propose. If, to-day, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, "I see no probability of the British invading us" but he will say to you "be silent; I see it, if you don’t."

The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons. Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where kings have always stood.
---Abraham Lincoln

But we have a congress that refuses to act, while 80% of the Dems have opposed recent actions to further prevent the degrading of our civil liberties, the "Blue Dogs Dems" gave Bush a rubber stamp to further destroy them.

They have refused to consider impeachment... they have continued to fund the war rather than deauthorizing it or defunding it and in so doing have contributed to the financial ruin of the nation and exposed us to black mail threats from China. Our infrastructure is crumbling and our armed forces state of readiness continues to decline as more combat divisions exhaust their materials.

This is why the founding fathers, as Lincoln reminds us, called it, "This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions."

On the lighter side:
No.8, the congressional members live forever and the only way to get rid of them is either by sending a prostitute or bribery which they cannot resist.

We need to change laws and that is members of the congress cannot stay in the office forever. That is to me is scary.

It seems the best US economic coverage always comes out of Britain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchi...

This could be really bad.

Rasputin @ 9 -- good post.

This is ridiculous, don't worry about the US dollar.

The chinese are starting to make noises about holding a garage sale on their 1+ TRILLION american dollars (How come they can save our money, but we can't?)

Pretty soon you'll be able to pick up as many dollars as you want, they'll be drifting around on sidewalks as if they were paper pennies. (Which is about what they're worth in Europe today, want a $50.00 hamburger? Go to France)

Yeah, the Bushites did a real number on our economy. From the largest surplus in history, to the biggest deficit in history, in just seven years. Where did the money go?

Directly from the Treasury and the proceeds of loans from your grandchildren to Halliburton and it's subsidiaries (Cheney's Pocket, Unlimited, is a KBR subsidiary), Big Greedy Oil, Israeli Defense (include the Iraq war on that tab), and miscellaneous FOTD (friends of the dummy).

They TRIED to save money, the republican way, by scrimping on veteran's care and benefits, kid's education, kid's health care, and holding the line on low-and-middle-income-earner's taxes, while drastically cutting taxes for the rich, but it just wasn't enough.

So soon Bush is going to retire to Paraguay, where he'll be welcomed as an equal by his fellow christian despot tyrants, during their daily prayer services to their true gods, the managers of their swiss-franc offshore bank deposits.

TDoff @ 17 -- you just HAD to include "Israeli Defense", didn't you?! Our aid to Israel and EGYPT, fyi, are mere drops in the bucket when compared with what Busholini has pissed away in 6+ years.

18 Dr. Acula Says:
Okay folks, here’s more “proof” that Iran is arming the “insurgents”!

don't you listen to some of the national news?
the bush/cheney adminstration's handling of the war and war equipment
have lost or can not account for over 190,000 arms. and where do you think
they went? to a storage locker in the green zone? you are foolish to
believe that an adminstration that lied us into this war is going to do no
less than misinform the public and congress about what iran is up to.

i personally do not believe we have been told the truth from the get-go.
this adminstration stole both 2000 and 2004 elections. they are reichwing neocon
bastards set on turning this great country into a fascist state and running
it into the ground every way they possibly can and they are succeeding NOW.

Dr. Acula @ 18:

Okay folks, here's more "proof" that Iran is arming the "insurgents"!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292513,00.html

Okay, start the bombing, I'm sold.

Now that Gingrich, Bush, and the Iraq war have thoroughly perverted the English language, I wonder if the WWII French, Belgian, Czech, Norwegian, et.al. resistance fighters like being referred to as 'insurgents', or 'terrorists'?

Or is the latest 'PC' bullshit not retroactive?

Eskwaya @ 26:

There are a couple of items in the news today reminding us that the conservative philosophy of government is not to govern at all.

Actually, the conservative philosophy is the Federalist Society philosophy, which is to have a very powerful President and a very weak legislature and judiciary. The role of conservative congressmen, in furthering this philosophy, has been to cede power to the President and abdicate most power, including traditional oversight, in deference to the President.

i think i can hear alexander hamilton dragging his carcass thru the halls of power.... "brains!! brains!! all powerful executive!!! pseudomonarchy!! brains!!"

Tony Snow @ 28:

Eskwaya @ 26:

There are a couple of items in the news today reminding us that the conservative philosophy of government is not to govern at all.

Actually, the conservative philosophy is the Federalist Society philosophy, which is to have a very powerful President and a very weak legislature and judiciary. The role of conservative congressmen, in furthering this philosophy, has been to cede power to the President and abdicate most power, including traditional oversight, in deference to the President.

Exactly. That's all they do; amass executive power as much as possible... then spend the rest of their term exploiting it for financial gain before leaving office in shame, forcing their successors to enact unpopular programs in order to fix the damage. Then, they return four/eight years later and run on a platform of removing those unpopular programs and returning to the previous state of incompetence and greed.

It's brilliant.

It is ironic that they should call themselves the Federalist Society since thay base their philosophy on only one of the federalist Papers and ignore the rest.

Federalist Paper #47:

The Particular Structure of the New Government and the
Distribution of Power Among Its Different Parts
From the New York Packet.
Friday, February 1, 1788
James Madison

"No political truth is certainly of greater intrinsic value, or is stamped with the authority of more enlightened patrons of liberty, than that on which the objection is founded. The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. Were the federal Constitution, therefore, really chargeable with the accumulation of power, or with a mixture of powers, having a dangerous tendency to such an accumulation, no further arguments would be necessary to inspire a universal reprobation of the system. I persuade myself, however, that it will be made apparent to every one, that the charge cannot be supported, and that the maxim on which it relies has been totally misconceived and misapplied. In order to form correct ideas on this important subject, it will be proper to investigate the sense in which the preservation of liberty requires that the three great departments of power should be separate and distinct."

http://www.conservativetruth.org/library/fed47.html

FEDERALIST PAPER No. 48

These Departments Should Not Be So Far Separated as to
Have No Constitutional Control Over Each Other
From the New York Packet.
Friday, February 1, 1788
James Madison

"In a government where numerous and extensive prerogatives are placed in the hands of an hereditary monarch, the executive department is very justly regarded as the source of danger, and watched with all the jealousy which a zeal for liberty ought to inspire. In a democracy, where a multitude of people exercise in person the legislative functions, and are continually exposed, by their incapacity for regular deliberation and concerted measures, to the ambitious intrigues of their executive magistrates, tyranny may well be apprehended, on some favorable emergency, to start up in the same quarter. But in a representative republic, where the executive magistracy is carefully limited; both in the extent and the duration of its power; and where the legislative power is exercised by an assembly, which is inspired, by a supposed influence over the people, with an intrepid confidence in its own strength; which is sufficiently numerous to feel all the passions which actuate a multitude, yet not so numerous as to be incapable of pursuing the objects of its passions, by means which reason prescribes; it is against the enterprising ambition of this department that the people ought to indulge all their jealousy and exhaust all their precautions.

The legislative department derives a superiority in our governments from other circumstances. Its constitutional powers being at once more extensive, and less susceptible of precise limits, it can, with the greater facility, mask, under complicated and indirect measures, the encroachments which it makes on the co-ordinate departments. It is not unfrequently a question of real nicety in legislative bodies, whether the operation of a particular measure will, or will not, extend beyond the legislative sphere. On the other side, the executive power being restrained within a narrower compass, and being more simple in its nature, and the judiciary being described by landmarks still less uncertain, projects of usurpation by either of these departments would immediately betray and defeat themselves. Nor is this all: as the legislative department alone has access to the pockets of the people, and has in some constitutions full discretion, and in all a prevailing influence, over the pecuniary rewards of those who fill the other departments, a dependence is thus created in the latter, which gives still greater facility to encroachments of the former."

http://www.conservativetruth.org/library/fed48.html

Madison and the founders never intended any branch to have the upper hand and certainly not the Executive Branch. From the founders point of view as Madison points out here:

But in a representative republic, where the executive magistracy is carefully limited; both in the extent and the duration of its power; and where the legislative power is exercised by an assembly, which is inspired, by a supposed influence over the people, with an intrepid confidence in its own strength;

The Federalist society's drive to make and all powerful Executive is antithetical to the principles of a free Republic. From Madison's point of view in a republic the people are supposed to keep their eye on the Congress, but only after properly limiting that Executive Branch.

I don't think he ever could have forseen a rubber stamp 109 congress and a spineless 110Th!

so this is how our republic died.the bush criminal cabal of nec cons and the uber rich will survive.the rest of us will work ourselfs to death just to pay off the debt,to our chinese slave masters.we are becomming a third world nation.

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