Hardball: Is Hillary A Hawk Or A Dove?
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Aug 08, 2007 5:01pm
(h/t Scarce for vid)
Chris Matthews' version of playing "hardball" is to pose the question of whether Hillary Clinton is a "hawk" or a "dove". Of course, he doesn't ask Clinton, but two substitutes: Jon Soltz from VoteVets.org and Buzz Patterson from MoveAmericaForward, Melanie Morgan's hategroup, and author of the oh-so-balanced screed War Crimes: The Left's Campaign to Destroy Our Military and Lose the War on Terror (so I'll let you guess his agenda).
There are so many levels of fundamental dishonesty about the framing of this debate (especially given Matthews' fervor to disgrace all things Clinton), that I could use up the whole front page listing them. While I wish I could share Soltz's confidence in Clinton (which if you listen carefully, he amends slightly to encompass ANY Democrat over a Republican) I'll simply note that Patterson has been taught by his media trainers well: never give the other side a chance to complete a sentence.
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Their brains have turned into read only devices.
I love cats! and rats!
Hardball should be "Hard bawl"
does Melanie Morgan pay her shills with discount plastic surgery coupons?
A "Wellesley college, Socialist, Anti-military, Anti-American"? Are you shitting me? No, really? Polly want a cracker?
I’ll simply note that Patterson has been taught by his media trainers well: never give the other side a chance to complete a sentence.
Well that's because if they did, they would expose their stoopidity.
Is HRC a "hawk" or a "dove"?
It all depends on who she is talking to at that moment.
Hillary may be a dove or she may be a hawk, but at least she isn't a drooling loon like Tweety Matthews.
jr @ 4:
Morgan is a prime example of why people shouldn't get excessive plastic surgery.
Is Hillary A Hawk Or A Dove?
No, she's a vulture.
If you have to ask she probably isn't worth getting behind - unless she becomes the Democratic candidate (likely). Not throwing my vote away like I did in 2000. Turns out there is a difference in parties.
The link breaks down right in the middle of the clip. Please fix. Thanks.
Jon Soltz KICKS ASS!
I love this man, he doesn't take shit from any of these wing nuts. I wish to hell MSNBC had enough sense to kick Ms Tucker to the curb and bring in this hunky and sassy dude.
jack jett
president
jon soltz fan club
Whens someone going to say. . . .
"If we stop wasting billions in weapons, stop maintaining over 700 military bases all over the world, stop jerking around and trying to police everybody else then we will have more than enough resources to build brand new bridges everywhere, provide guaranteed health care for all, educate all our children and make America truly the best place on the planet".
Nice job by Soltz. Buzz Patterson is unbearable. I couldn't get the full clip to play (corrupted out at about halfway) but I found the full transcript at "Newsbusters" (strangely enough under a headline indicating Patterson "spanked" Soltz, whatever):
[Link to lunatic rightwing site deleted]
What a fuckin wacko.
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
Well, Soltz said this:
That was a good intro by the veteran. We should write that down and practice it in the mirror.
Matthews Spends Too Much Focus On Hillary Clinton
At every turn, Chris Matthews is talking about Hillary Clinton's negatives. He's obsessed, and it appears he will not stop until he feels he has damaged her chances to be president.
Half the stories on this site deal with Matthew's criticisms of Clinton. As well as being a closet to pre-open Republicans, Matthews cannot hide is destine for Clinton. With people like Rudy Giuliani the real drag Queen, Mitt Romney the real flip flopper, John McCain the biggest disappointment in the Republican Party, and Ron Paul the "Transforming Republican in disguise, you would think he would be a bit more diverse in this criticisms but he is not.
Who needs diversity when you it comes to Matthew's sole focus on Clinton. He better watch it; if I see the special attention he is given Clinton, other see it too.
Joseph
Buzz really,
How insightful and dignified of you with all that Coulterisms.
"She's a pathological liar" ? Buzzz-ard. And you worked for the Clinton White House.
Buzz, Does this moment of fame really get you the job in the GOP you are applying for here with the good pay?
And it seems in what Buzz says is that Jon Stoltz is a snakey liar as well.
But most of all, Chris needs to confront some of this hyperboil slander if he is to allow them to shovel unconfirmed slander.
Stoltz even got away with saying, I "in private conversations with Hillary".
And Buzz calls her things like, "patholoical liar from private reflection". Public discourse at its best Chris.
Does Buzz have a problem with females in the work force as well. Chris could of asked Buzz why did he work for Clinton if he felt that way, why wait until now to speak out, or can you prove she is a pathological liar vs Bush or any other politician?
Is it asking too much of Chris Matthews to take out the trash when it begins to reek?
Man this countries fu*ked up.
Dude, could you be any more transparently anti-intellectual? Does that play in Peoria? "Oooh, that fancy-pants went to College, I bet she thinks she's something special..."
Does anyone know what he's talking about with the banning military uniforms at the white house?
Typical of Matthews to foist a loon of a right winger against John Stoltz, a real American hero. Stoltz kept his cool and wouldn't let Patterson sling his hate speech over his answers. Matthews continues to waste air time on blurring issues and would rather make a headline than make history.
Tweety's only reality is inside the Beltway. He only caters to that crowd. He is badly in need of a visit from Jon Stewart who will tell him, Tucker-style, that he's hurting America.
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"...No greater honour than being in charge of our troops in a combat zone."
OK vomit. Quit insulting hawks.
It is an urban myth, a well established falsehood that Patterson has been working for months.
If Matthews had an integrity, he would demand a correction or retraction from Patterson.
geeezzz matthews is a let down.I keep watching thinking he will do something right.But No.As for that big mouth,his behavior is so typical of the Reich wing...blah blah blah.yada yada yada...same old crap.Their technique is never stop babbling,just keep on talking no matter what.It doesn't have to be true or accurate or even honest just keep spwewing crap so the people who don't pay attention slurp it up....But calling HC a pathological liar was soooo bad.....they never cease to amaze me with the levels they will stoop to..I wonder if the big mouth thinks Preznit Boosh is a pathological liar...I watched that show yesterday...the big mouth got pretty aggressive near the end...when they can't rationally explain their position to someone who is out doing them with true articulate facts...they resort to loud aggressive behavior.....intimidation.But it doesn't work anymore.The only thing this clown accomplished was exposing himself as a hack.As for HC.....well...we'll see.
It's the classic false dichotomy. You are either a hawk or a dove; there is no in-between. The right has made a constituent fortune over the last ten years framing issues in this way. Don't consider the shades of complexity between the two extremes. Simplify the issue and frame it in moral undertones.
One question for Buzz:
Since you are of age, why are you sitting in an air-conditioned studio when you could be sitting in an unprotected Humvee without proper training, inedible rations, and no rotation home supporting the cause you so rabidly believe in?
miss_kitty @ 26:
Why did Pat Tillmans name just pop into my head?
They were both wrong. Patterson was wrong in directing his ad hominem attacks against H. Clinton while Soltz should know better when stating that H. Clinton will lead the fight against Al Qaeda in Iraq. Does Soltz not realize that only 2 per cent of those who are fighting against U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq can be considered belonging to Al Qaeda? Is Soltz going to advise Clinton to also invade 60 other countries in order to fight Al Qaeda. Going after the terrorists should be done with police action not with military muscle. It is like an elephant trying to squash a flea. Unfortunately Soltz, like that other hawk Paul Rieckhoff, does not seem to understand that the United States has no business being in Iraq since the war/occupation has been bogus from the start because its underlying premise has been undermined by the illegality of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Is that a hair mullet I see growing on the back of Chris Matthews' head? Check out the side shot of this guy now.
I wonder if this another way for him to subtly pander to the dwindling Republican base?
What a partisan take on the second speaker the sound went out so I didn't get his name this guy is a total right wing hate monger, only the child molesting, male prostituting republican religious right can be redemptive, tell me this piece of non thinking sh8t isn't a hypocrite. Look NO one in the Congress or Senate where given any TRUE military Intelligence on the War for OIL in Iraq, certain repukulans were given enough info with thew permission of the TRAITOR in the WH. to leak to the Right Wing Media.
Anyone that hold any Investigative Congressman (woman accountable) for the TRAITOROUS ACTS of the WHITE HOUSE and the REPUBLICAN SENATE are Ignorant and Stupid with a Capital S. This Administration has done everything in its power to circumvent and obstruct the due process of Law and of Congress with the Bush Crime Family and its Supporters leading and Misleading the Way.
I gave up on Chris after his Coulter lovefest.
How does that guy get off trying to tell a former soldier what was and wasn't present in the battlefield. The Clintons are far from perfect, but if a soldier says "we had armed vehicles" and "we had the proper body armor", how does some guy who never served try to tell him, "you didn't have what you say you had"? It is one thing to hate the Clintons, but it is something completely different to call a person who served his country a liar when he talks about first hand experiences he had in the field. This is another example of someone on the right who doesn't support the troops, but blames it on the left, because they are the bad guys. If a troop says that the democrats provided everything he needed in a battle, that is the end of the discussion. You can't just say he is being dishonest, especially when you weren't there.
I don't think she's even sure what she is, she flips and flops. Hope we can get her to make up her mind http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=251
Hillary Clinton is a nasty ambitious bitch who flip-flops because she is only trying to get herself into the White House, and will do anything or say anything she thinks will get her elected,. That said, I would vote for her, even though it would turn my stomach to do so, just to keep a Repiglican out of the Presidency.
All these candidates, with the Possible Exception of Kucinich, SUCK!
Patterson is an embarrassment to Strata Blue - and remember this...he was such a piss-poor officer that his career ended at 20 under "up-or-out" - in spite of the high profile of his job. I took him to the woodshed a while back.
Boring Scott @ 30:
Here you go Boring. I served as an Air Force pilot for 20 years, retiring 6 years ago. I served in combat around the world protecting you and your right to say whatever you want. I was happy and proud to do so. So, when I am asked a question and give my opinion, that's every bit my right as well. The Left's chickenhawk argument is getting tired.
--Blue Girl @ 39:
Blue Girl,
Wrong again. I turned down my promotion to 0-6 because I had a daughter born with birth defects and couldn't afford to keep moving my family with the Air Force every 12-18 months.
What's your story? I'll match resumes any day.
I'm admittedly biased, but I thought Soltz handed his ass to him.
The only weapon "Buzz" could bring was the typical discredited Democrats-are-cowards crap. And here's another discredited asshole who complained we weren't hearing the "good news" coming from Iraq now telling us leaving Iraq would create "chaos".
The only thing these wingnuts have to sell is fear.
Old Billy @ 22:
Old Billy,
Put down the X-Box and educate yourself. Read "Dereliction of Duty." No? Don't confuse you with the facts? That's what I thought.
could we maybe dislodge the "hawk or dove" labels from contemporary discussion? tweety luvs labels, maybe--for the sentient class--policy and political discussion could focus on more than simple overgeneralizations?
i made myself laugh
Buzz Patterson @ 43:
"Don't confuse you with the facts?" could i get a translation on this?
Bill, i consider that type of response from "buzz", (buzz, hee hee) a badge of honor
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Alot of people served in the military and were proud to do so.
But they don't feel the need to wear their service on their sleeve or use their children as weapons in an argument or market their books on liberal blogs.
And they also happen to oppose this idiot war in Iraq.
You know Buzz, maybe "[t]he Left’s chickenhawk argument is getting tired," but I think very troubling was the ease with which you called Hillary Clinton Anti-American. I certainly won't be voting for her under any circumstances, but what gives you the authority to make that call? And you claimed she was a pathological liar. Can you back that up with proof? Other than "all politicians are pathological liars."
You're just a little too eager to call the pot black, kettle.
miss_kitty @ 47:
Miss Kitty, here is what you and most of the other folks on this site (and Jon Soltz) aren't getting...I KNOW her! I worked by her husband's side for two years. I had an office and a bedroom in the White House. Doesn't that give me a little insight? I think so. Soltz was making his shit up.
starwheel @ 46:
As is Soltz to further his political agenda...and he's still serving! I retired before I made my opinions heard. He's using his uniform and his service to promote his anti-war campaign. If he'll resign his commission, I'd salute him. He hasn't and he's violating the UCMJ. He knows that which is why he wouldn't answer my last few questions. Blue Girl, you know the deal.
Buzzz ..Buzzz..Buzzzy old boy.....what are you talking about with this Left Chickenhawk [Deleted. Please be civil-Sitemonitor]..what? Are you saying that all Veterans and active military personel are Repub's.......really...get some original material....that shtick is so worn now that even you can't believe that .
I know you know her. Doesn't mean the stuff you say about her is true.
I slag off a few of my old bosses just like you've been doing here. As far as I'm concerned some of them are the worst people in the world.
I wouldn't call them traitors though because they disagree with the White House. Apparently, you never learned we have the freedom, the right , THE DUTY to disagree with our leaders. And it doesn't make us pathological liars, or "Anti American."
WTF do you think you were working toward in the military? The 'Freedom' to march in lockstep with the powers that be? No.
Why do you think people are so pissed off at the current situation? Because we HATE our country? No. Because we LOVE it. If we hated it, we wouldn't care.
miss_kitty @ 51:
Well said miss kitty..cudos to you.
A freind of mine had a dog named buzzzzz......and Buzz Aldrin is a ......what?....What did you say?...I CAN'T HERE YOU...
mudshark @ 52:
Thank you Miss Kitty, first, for wanting to engage in a conversation and not spew profanity and insults like others on this site. Secondly, I never called Hillary a traitor. I was asked a question about her ability to assume the position as our commander-in-chief. I gave my honest and experienced opinion. I don't have any qualms whatsoever with debating issues or positions. There is much to be gained through healthy dialogue about the issues.
As is Soltz to further his political agenda…and he’s still serving! I retired before I made my opinions heard. He’s using his uniform and his service to promote his anti-war campaign. If he’ll resign his commission, I’d salute him. He hasn’t and he’s violating the UCMJ. He knows that which is why he wouldn’t answer my last few questions. Blue Girl, you know the deal.
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If he's violating the UCMJ then he should be held accountable by his superior officers, correct? If he is not held to a different standard than you or I, then he is a free man to express his opinion as you are. Didn't he fight for his own right to speak his mind?
As if any of that piddly little quarrel has any relevance whatsoever. I don't need Soltz to tell me Iraq was a mistake or that Hillary Clinton could do a better job of managing this mess. I'd be a damned fool to believe Hillary Clinton would extricate the United States quickly out of Iraq. She voted for the damned war. She's the most hawkish of the Democratic candidates.
But even if she did call for a rapid deployment of troops, I'd also be a damned fool to believe it would be as horrible as you say it would be.
As long as Captain Stolz (I believe he is an O-3) does not speak out in uniform, on base, or slander his commanders, he has the right to speak out and exercise his civil liberties as provided by the Constitution (which is what we all pledged to uphold, not a political party) without falling into violation of UCMJ - (although the waters do get murky). He also has the right to engage in protected communications with his congressman, as the Appeal for Redress educated a lot of non-military types on. All military members have that right, from the lowliest ground pounder all the way up to Petraeus himself.
mudshark @ 53:
Mudshark, buzz = flying low and fast, get it? I was an Air Force pilot. Not something I chose for myself but was bestowed upon me by some of my buddies who were (and are) some of our nation's finest. What's your name?
--Blue Girl @ 56:
You are correct. But go to his votevets website. Check out his uniform. See, also, that he has been contemptuous of the president and senior military officials in his blogs on HuffPo. He's violating Article 88. THAT's why he wouldn't answer my questions. I had him and he knew it.
starwheel @ 55:
But Soltz is still taking a paycheck from the DoD. He's still a reservist. That's over the line. I don't really care what you think about me but I waited until I was officially retired to open my mouth. He's doing it on the taxpayer's dime. Big no-no.
ok buzz I'll settle down..Sir..by calling HC a pathological liar...you gave away your integrity.Of course you have a right to your opinion but with your military background....I would expect some respect for her...after all she is a US Senator.
oh and my name was ..grunt...as in infantry
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Buzz Patterson
And I didn't phrase my analogy correctly-sorry. You did say she was Anti-American-which I unthinkingly equated with 'traitor' in my analogy-given her standing in the country and her work history.
What I should have said was "I wouldn’t call them (my crappy ex-bosses) Anti-American because they disagree with the White House. Even if it were a White House with whom I agreed 100%."
Which ever way you come at this from the two pundits.... Clinton is bad news! I agree with the later pundit and the first guy was essentially saying she was a hawk... the other guy could not have enough hawk to datisfy him... If that guy was in the Clinton administration - then he was in good company with the first Lady.
But lets get back to that comment about Chickenhawks.....another disrespectfull shot at the left.And if you stuck around here enough you would see that there are alot of us Vets here...so this chickenhawk crap is just that...crap.
mudshark @ 60:
When I worked for her and her husband I was a loyal and dedicated servant. That was my oath of office. I never used my rank or my service (unlike Soltz) to advance any partisan political agenda. Also, to be completely honest, I got along very well with the Clintons on a personal level. I enjoyed being around them and they were very kind to me. My argument now that I have left the service is that he (and she) are ill-equipped to lead our military. Again, I was asked my opinion and I gave it. I respect their offices, I don't respect their leadership or their professionalism.
Buzz Patterson @ 48:
Did Bill make you smoke cigars too?
mudshark @ 64:
But that was the point that Soltz was making. He kept referring to being in Kosovo...I was in Bosnia at the exact same time. He kept thumping his chest that he was the vet. My point, to him, was that he couldn't play that with me. Now, I didn't know Mudshark that you were a vet with you earlier post. But trust me, that is what I hear from the Left constantly. "You weren't there so you couldn't know." Well, I've been there many times. I've been shot at in anger by our enemies. Soltz, who spent 4 months of duty in Iraq, attempts to play the chickenhawk card at every opportunity. Don't play that game with me, that's all I was saying. I apologize and acknowledge your service.
NChomsky @ 66:
LOL. No, but he had me smuggle them back from South America in the "nuclear football."
Buzz, here is where you lost me:
The "Democrat Party" business pisses me off, too, for what it's worth. I am a Democrat. The party is Democratic, and you diminish your argument with such juvenile taunts.
I suppose we could retaliate with Publican Party - after all, history has been far kinder to Democrats than Publicans.
Sir..do you consider anyone serving in the Reserves....on duty 24/7...
--Blue Girl @ 69:
LOL. Actually, it would be "Repub Party." And, oh by the way, when you "took me out to the woodshed" it would be "Prick's" and not "Pricks." Sorry, the writer in me.
mudshark @ 70:
If they continue to do their tours and take a DoD paycheck, yes. He's still a commissioned officer and, therefore, constrained by the UCMJ. Again, I don't care what he thinks, but he's playing the UCMJ and should be held accountable.
Buzz Patterson @ 68:
We had a family friend who had to bring potatoes into the US in a diplomatic pouch (Long off topic story)...
Sorry if I offended you Buzz....you see we often get people with names or monikers that aren't really theres.I didn't realize it was really you....with all due respect...whats happened is that the level of dialog has dropped so low ...well...you get the picture....again I apologize if I offended you...
Touche - I'm a scientist - I'll balance equations all day long, but where writing rules are concerned...I have grasped "affect" and "effect" differences. I was writing under the influence of outrage. I get that way when I am called a traitor, as I have literally spent every day of my life either as a dependent of or in service to the military of this nation. It's not a one-party state, and if it ever threatens to turn into one, i'll be looking for a rebel band to join.
yeah..I know........apologize......sheesh
Gregory @ 7:
'fraid so.
By the way - good on ya having a sense of humor about being called a prick. When someone calls me a bitch, I smile brightly and say "Thank You!"
mudshark @ 74:
No sweat Mudshark, its me. No harm, no foul. Believe it or not but we "neocon trolls" have computers too...and I do care what you all think. Oftentimes, in the world I now find myself, the dialogue gets off mark and becomes counter-productive. I don't normally engage in vitriol as occurred yesterday on Hardball. I've been contacted by so many vets about Soltz over the last month or so that when he started spewing his normal talking points, which are largely unfounded, I had to engage. Contrary, also, to what many of you might think, I do what I do these days because I have a sincere and profound belief that its in our best interests. I am not funded by any Republican or right-wing agenda. In fact, I can barely make ends meet. I WISH I had Soros money like Soltz does.
Thanks for listening.
Buzz...Do you think Pres Bush is a pathological liar? And if so Why? Or why not?
Buzz..you sound like you might be considering taking a shot at the WH....gonna run?
Good luck with the special needs child. I sincerely hope you and she get all the help with her requirements you need. I know that making ends meet on the retirement income can be tough. I can't imagine trying to get by with a special needs child.
I sincerely mean it when I say that I hope all turns out well.
I have a feeling that Buzz has someone sporting the bill....but thats just me.
--Blue Girl @ 82:
Blue Girl,
Thanks so much. She is doing very well these days. A beautiful, intelligent 8-year old, and out of danger. She's fine. Believe it or not, but I have two younger kids who are also amazing. Being a best-selling author helps but you sure can't live on it. The publishers make all the money.
God bless you and yours,
Buzz
mudshark @ 83:
Mud,
Nope, 3 kids 8 and under and no outside support. Like I said, I wish the Right had daddy-rabbits like the Left. And, no, no plans to run for office. I've seen the White House up close and personal, no thanks. I don't care who's in office.
Hey folks,
Lot's of fun chatting with you. Everyone have a great night.
Buzz
Buzz Patterson @ 65:
Something bothers me about his comment.......the latter half in particular.
Speaking of kids coming first - the one I am devoted to needs to get ready for bed.
Thanks for the civil discourse. As you obviously clicked the link, you know I can let the redhead off the leash with impunity, now that I'm no longer bound by protocol...
Goodnight.
daddy rabbits like the left....c'mon buzz...shirley you jest.
yoohoo... buzz.....you didn't answer #79...just wonderin?
I still can't get over the fact that Tweety always puts on these right wing nuts and always up against the Dems so they can't get there point across , but will put
ann coulter on by herself . He is suppose to be a journalist with no bias. I know one thing he hates Hillary and does'nt care if any one knows it. She will get the last laugh , because I'm sure she will NEVER give him an interview.
Buzz Patterson @ 85:
Wait a minute....why the personal attacks then?...gotcha Buzz...
a little more pertaining to #79...or do you think he's been bought?
I miss a good buzz.
Dr. Matt @ 9:
She always has an exaggerated comic book look of surprise about her, doesn't she? Some people might pass that off to her just being really perky though.
Well, I had to spend family time so I missed Buzz's response to my last post and his further discussion.
I appreciate his willingness to participate tonight so, Buzz, if you're checking back in tomorrow, thanks. It was an interesting discussion even if it left me wanting for relevant responses.
Buzz's beef is with Soltz criticizing the war while he is still on the DOD payroll and wearing a uniform. I don't know what the UCMJ regs are and Soltz's adherence or ignorance of them is irrelevant to me, my position on the war and whether Hillary would be a good President or not. Buzz doesn't think Soltz has a right to criticize the war. So be it. Soltz doesn't change my mind one way or the other.
But this incessant need for Buzz prop himself up and his 20 years in the Air Force and the fact he retired for his poor sick kid and, look at me, I waited until I retired until I said anything critical, just comes off sounding blatantly insecure. What does he want? A biscuit?
Frankly, I don't need him to explain why he retired from the military. While I feel for his personal situation of having a child born with birth defects, it IS personal and it required no further explanation from him. But he used it to defend himself by disarming his critics with sympathy. I can't imagine anything more weak and pathetic than that.
hello @ 96:
ok but what happens when she's not feeling perky....but still looks it..........gawd....I wouldn't want to wake up next to that
starwheel @ 97:
your right....but he is good at getting people to listen to him....why..? I don't know.There were some questions he was reluctant to answer...in particular #79....he did read it..
mudshark@98 -
He's good at getting people to listen because he pushes buttons. But he can't win an argument.
Buzz Patterson @ 57:
We get it - Buzz is an assfuck, i.e. mudshark, and a 'perfect example' of what's wrong with our military. This hillbilly is typical of the out of control, wreckless dimwits that go into the military as a career, living off the government because they've got no other recourse in life.
Such a sad fag our man Buzz is. Look at his behavior on national television. Having shout during debate. What's matter, Buzz, couldn't think of anymore 'perfect examples'? Moronic.
Beyond being an imbicile, keep in mind that Buzz and 'buddies' are the people who make all the wrong moves in a time of crises because they believe might makes right. They've got no other mental capacity. That is unfortunate, for us, because through their stupidity, negligence, callousness, and wrecklessness, they put everyone in the world in danger.
Buzz, you are a twit. Moverover, you are our real enemy.
Buzz Patterson @ 58:
typical facist.
Alot of rotten people come out of the military.
timmm @ 101:
hey dimwit...don't..ie me with that bs....what? you can't tell the difference.....so you put together a few sentences...but for your mental capacity or you ability to rationally discuss something with someone you disagree with....is well beyond your abilities.....fuck off.
starwheel @ 100:
your absolutley right starwheel.if you notice the above post from whatever it's name is....that pissed me off. So I show a little respect...but I like to think I gave him some real questions....and he didn't answer the most important one...#79...sorry starwheel but I have to do this....HEY TIMMMMMMM.....read all the post's.....what a dimwit.
It's hard to tell if she's a hawk or a dove, but she's not a pussy.
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she's a corporately owned neocon mole.
oh come on, Matthews is almost as in love with Hillary as he is with Fred Thompson.
its amazing that after all these years, nobody in the media bothers to differentiate about any issues. is she a "hawk"? is she a "dove"? why not be specific about what situation you're referring to in the first place?? if you ask me should we invade Brazil, i'm pretty dovish. she would finish putting the taliban and al qaeda into the ground before they can kill more innocent people, i get more hawkish. its all relative, but every conflict is treated as if it were the exact same issue, which makes any real conversation impossible.
Hardball: Is Hillary A Hawk Or A Dove?
One thing she ain't is a chick.
Buzz Patterson @ 65:
I've asked this before on another forum and no-one really answered - what the hell is the deal with Mathews and his quite obvious hatred for the Clintons, especially Hillary? I don't get it? Why does he seem to despise her, not just her policies, but actually despise her as a human being? You can literally see and sense the vitriol whenever he talks about her. And no matter the topic, he can always find a way to work in some bizarre sneering refernce to her.
I know he is somehow thought of by the wingnuts as a Democrat because he worked for Tip O'Neil and Jimmy Carter once (and what the hell where they thinking?) but he is really an old-line conservative. I read somewhere that his father was a right-wing loon, and his brother recently ran as a Repug in Penn., but it doesn't just seem to be, "Well, I'm a conservative, so I hate the Democrats." He really seems to go around the bend when he talks about her.
I've also heard theories that he's a closet case, so maybe he just hates women in general?
I don't get it, nor do I get why NBC News, which ultimately runs MSNBC, allows such a freak on their airwaves. John Chancellor is probably rolling in his grave.
Hillary is every Conservative's Wet Dream.
They cream in their pants every time she is mentioned as the
front-runner for the Democratic nomination. They desperately
want Hillary to be the nominee.
Buzz Patterson @ 72:
If you don't care what he thinks....why are you going about slandering HC..and the Left
Buzz -
Article 88, as with all parts of Chapter 47 of Title 10 of the United States Code, applies only to personnel on active duty, or to reservists on inactive-duty training.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/ucmjart2.htm
Show us exactly how this applies to Mr. Soltz, please.
To clarify -
Chapter 47 does not apply ONLY to active duty personnel...for instance, it applies to retirees who receive pay, cadets, and a few other categories ... but in the case of a reservist, the distinction is active duty, non-active duty, or inactive-duty training.
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PS to Buzz - I notice the UCMJ applies to retirees who are entitled to pay. Hmmm, don't YOU get a paycheck from DoD?
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