Harold Ford doesn't know who's been right about this war all along
The new chairman of the DLC said he doesn't know who's been right about the Iraq war. No, I'm not kidding. And he wonders why most of the presidential candidates stopped at YKos and left the DLC conference blowing in the wind. He was there to talk about Obama's foreign policy ideas and answered this way on Hannity and Colmes last night
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Colmes: Barack Obama had a great point when he said those who voted for the war in Iraq and then had to apologize for that vote should probably be the last people to criticize he---who was right about the war in Iraq all along.
Ford: I don't know who's been right about this war all along...
Colmes: Sure you do...
Ford: That's open for dispute.
Colmes: You don't know who's been right about the war all along?
Ford: One thing is clear. What we're doing now is not working.
Does he think it's an open debate? Attacking a country that didn't...never-mind....It seems he's trying to shift the focus of the war debate in a weird way, don't you? This is pathetic and if anyone followed the Senate race, you'd know that Ford is as much a centrist as James Dobson is. The Blue Dogs have betrayed the American people since the Democrats took back Congress in November. His campaign reached as far right as it could go and he still lost to Corker in Tennessee in a close race. He got more media exposure than most in the '06 election because of the smear job they pulled on him. I emailed the DLC and asked them to clarify his remarks...I'll have a second clip later where he criticizes YKos also...
Another day, another one of my points proved.
The DLC, the PNAC wing of the Democrat Party.
Feist!
Video is not workin' folks.
And everybody remembers this exchange:
Ford: I don’t know in which direction the sun rises in the morning...
Colmes: Sure you do…
Ford: That’s open for dispute.
Colmes: You don’t know that it rises in the east?
Ford: One thing is clear. It's hot outside.
This guy doesn't get it...it's up about what the people want..not what the dlc wants ..
The DLC = a spineless, cowering, submissive bunch of loosers.
From a lost senate race to a lost cause, the DLC. If Ford's defeat proved anything it proved you can't out reich wing a reich wing Republican and therefore the reich wing will smear you nonetheless. Had Gore and Edwards learned this in 2000 this nation might not have been saddled with 6 1/2 years of debt, death, destruction, incompetence and corruption.
Has he not paid attention to the last 4 years or so?
Is Harold Ford on some kind of drugs or has he taken an overdoze of prescribed
medications? His brain must be fried...what a stupd thing to say; especially a
spokesperson for the Democratic Leadership Council.
The Blue Dogs have betrayed the American people
Whatever. Without us Blue Dogs, we wouldn't have a Dem majority in the House. Don't use the stupid "RINO" tactic Cons use when they don't like centrist Republicans. Eating your own will get you nowhere and alienates the centrists who, I might add, outnumber the far Left in spades. You don't have to be on the far Left to be on the Left.
What, you expected them to leave Iraq by February? Be realistic, you should have known it would take a good year to withdraw.
On a recent episode of Real Time with Bill Maher, Gary Shandling
busts this Ford guy open. Here's the YouTube link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnJ18i0P8z4
This takes place at about 4:40 into the clip, but watch the whole thing
anyway.
Harold Ford comes from an integrity-challenged family. He is Lieberman-lite.
So the criteria for the position were 1)Lips firmly attached to shrub's ass. 2)Cheerleader outfit for "debate" on illegal occupation. 3)GOP talking points replace brain.
Ruthless People @ 6:
RP - in 2000 it was Gore/LIEberman; 2004 was Kerry/Edwards.
After this comment Bush might have a new BFF and land a big ole wet one on Harold Ford. Lieberman's going to get jealous.
Bobaloo @ 9:
What, you expected them to leave Iraq by February? Be realistic, you should have known it would take a good year to withdraw.
Wow, are you optomistic, or perhaps you are using scarcasm. As best I recall,
the new Prime Minister of England said that it'll be 8(Eight) years before "his"
troops can totally withdraw and U.S. Pentagon persons have said it will be
a minimun of 2 years before any withdrawal can even be started...
Ford tries to hard to be "centrist" like his praise of Reagan during his campaign
Dr. Acula @ 13:
That's right...and holds true for both...
Ruthless People @ 17:
Gore-Edwards...my wishful thinking I guess since I am sure they have both learned by now:)
The scoop jackson wing of the Democratic Party is as dead as Scoop Jackson.
I am new to this blogging stuff so please dont be offended when I say that I just looked at "Daily Kos" for the first time a few minutes ago and this site (which I only learned of this am) now. I like this site better.
So, here goes: the time for ragin' on blue dogs or other groups is pretty much past, just as the time for stopping the Iraq debacle. Ford's very serious mistake was appearing on the Hannity program at all. That was very dumb and ultimately descructive to eventual unity for (us?) democrats. For that he should be punished. No person interested in the wellbeing of the Democratic Party should appear on any FNC program ever. If such a person does so, there should be a netroot and then public campaign to have such a person labelled a fraud and a fool and drummed out of the party. Let us always keep shooting outward.
Does anyone else cringe when they hear Shillary speak? She's just oh so full of herself.
didnt work...
Doggiebobo @ 15:
Wow, are you optomistic, or perhaps you are using scarcasm. As best I recall,
the new Prime Minister of England said that it'll be 8(Eight) years before "his"
troops can totally withdraw and U.S. Pentagon persons have said it will be
a minimun of 2 years before any withdrawal can even be started...
All those permanent military bases and the most expensive embassy ever built - the US Embassy in Iraq http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/ - I think proves we are not planning on going anywhere anytime soon until the middle east is drained of every drop of oil. Wake up and smell the coffee, you were, have been and continue to be duped.
Leaving. Was. Never. Part. Of. The. Plan. Cheney didn't go to court to keep those energy task force meetings secret for nothing.
These are the political candidate choices we have in Tennessee: bad or worse.
Down with the "Blue Dog Democrats" who betrayed the people on the spy bill! Time to unseat every last one of the group of 41 thugs who voted AGAINST the civil rights of the people! They've help to trash our constitution and destroy our democracy. They're shapeshifters - pretending to be democrats but republicans in disguise. These Blue Dogs are more in line philosophically with the lockstep Rethugs than true democrats. Time to oust them all from office when their terms expire.
The people are sick and tired of frauds in Congress. Personally, I believe that the entire kit 'n caboodle in Congress right not need to be pitched out on their ears! They've all failed the american people and lied to us in 06.
Time to sweep Congress clean of the filth that inhabits it presently.
Bobaloo @ 9:
What's the point of having a majority when they vote with the minority?
We've been had.
The DLC has a part to play and they know it. It's the same part that Lieberman plays. The right would not be able to do the crazy crap that they want to do with no competition. The people would revolt. The DLC is the enabling tool that they use to make it seem as if there is a real debate over issues that there already is a clear answer on. This is a perfect example. It is clear that people like Barack Obama and Russ Fiengold were on the right side of this issue. It is clear that leaving Saddam in power was a better alternative to what we have now. It sucks that that is the truth, but it is the truth. The DLC enables the republican party by creating the illusion that the issue is still open for debate on a partisan level. The DLC in a sense is a flim-flam operation whose goal is to confuse the percentage of the electorate that is undecided. The most honest thing for the DLC to do is to become a third party where the moderate (indecisive) members of both parties can run under. They are not republicans, but not democrats either..........
wait a minute, they're Zombiecrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And for those reminding us of the abysmally low poll numbers for Congress, this is precisely why. The Republicans are working against the people and now these Blue Dog Democrats are doing the same. I feel sorry for those who will be caught in the crosshairs but in order to make certain that we rid ourselves of any still hiding behind the Democrat moniker, they, too, will have to go now.
The horrendous numbers for Congress is because this Congress has proven itself to be just another, run-of-the-mill, sycophantic "Do Nothing" Congress - just like the last one.
Ruthless People @ 23:
All those permanent military bases and the most expensive embassy ever built - the US Embassy in Iraq http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/ - I think proves we are not planning on going anywhere anytime soon until the middle east is drained of every drop of oil. Wake up and smell the coffee, you were, have been and continue to be duped.
Leaving. Was. Never. Part. Of. The. Plan. Cheney didn't go to court to keep those energy task force meetings secret for nothing.
You are preaching to the choir. When the Court of Appeal in D.C. ruled in favor of cheney
back in 2002(ruling that the behind, closed doors meetings of the Energy Task Force was
in "our" national security interests) that was just the first in many, many instance where any transparancy of what this admin. is doing was lost. And, as you commented upon,
building the LARGEST and most expensive U.S. Embassy within the Green Zone is certainly
no indication that there are plans for us to depart Iraq any time within the foreseeable
future.
The preznit is going to hold an unscheduled press conference in a few minutes. I betcha he starts by telling us how important his new proposal to further cut taxes on corporations will enable them to remain competitive in a global market, and continues by explaining how this will help the stock market recover. Any takers?
jay @ 27:
cristalyn @ 24:
I hear ya. It's one of the reasons I left my native south and took my tax dollars with me. I had had enough. If those who could leave and want to leave the red states do so taking their tax dollars to more politicially friendly parts of the country the right wingers would eventually wake up. For all the reich wing talk of God the only thing a wingnut conservative really worships is the almighty dollar.
Doggiebobo @ 29:
You are preaching to the choir. When the Court of Appeal in D.C. ruled in favor of cheney
back in 2002(ruling that the behind, closed doors meetings of the Energy Task Force was
in "our" national security interests) that was just the first in many, many instance where any transparancy of what this admin. is doing was lost. And, as you commented upon,
building the LARGEST and most expensive U.S. Embassy within the Green Zone is certainly
no indication that there are plans for us to depart Iraq any time within the foreseeable
future.
Of course, we're not going anywhere. We know that now. We also know that we were lied to to invade this country illegally for their oil. Think: PEAK OIL and you'll realize the neocon agenda immediately. Also, think "war profiteering" and you'll see why Haliburton (Cheney's pension) got the no-bid contract. I'd love to see the bank accounts of BushCo because it's always ever been about the money.
OleYankee @ 20:
Welcome aboard. Agreed, we ALL need to be issued shotguns and "shoot outward"
just as Dickhead cheney did on his hunting trip...hoping that our aim is somewhat
better and more deadly.
veritas @ 33:
Of course, we're not going anywhere. We know that now. We also know that we were lied to to invade this country illegally for their oil. Think: PEAK OIL and you'll realize the neocon agenda immediately. Also, think "war profiteering" and you'll see why Haliburton (Cheney's pension) got the no-bid contract. I'd love to see the bank accounts of BushCo because it's always ever been about the money.
Doesn't it seem hilarious now that once they knew there would be no WMD's located, they conveniently switched the "objective" to "democracy". Hah! What a kick in the face we're all getting right now as we watch the sun set on our own democracy while espousing the concept of a democratic Iraq! Hahahahah! What fools we've become....spineless, ignorant fools. While the people have slept, they stole this democracy. Pretty easily and pretty handily, I'd say.
In actuality, I believe that the Blue Dog Democrats put the last nail in the coffin of this democracy. Bush's 6 month spying escapade finished off any shred of civil rights we have at this point. Now the voting machines are hackable so 08 will be anyone's election if nothing is done. Once our vote is hacked and allowed to be contaminated, the people will have lost everything. Since we know that 2000 and 2004 election definitely "were" hacked, I'd venture to say that our constitution has become a wad of toilet paper and our civil liberties have been dissolved.
anonymous @ 30:
Sorry, I cannot stomach listening/watching that asshole, so will have to rely upon
subsequent posting here at C&L to learn what the prick said.
Well, technically, he's right. We've only tried one course of action, so all we've established is that that course doesn't work and the people who support it are wrong. We haven't tried anyone else's proposals, so we don't know whether anyone is right, merely that the righties are wrong.
Doggiebobo @ 29:
You are preaching to the choir. When the Court of Appeal in D.C. ruled in favor of cheney
back in 2002(ruling that the behind, closed doors meetings of the Energy Task Force was
in "our" national security interests) that was just the first in many, many instance where any transparancy of what this admin. is doing was lost. And, as you commented upon,
building the LARGEST and most expensive U.S. Embassy within the Green Zone is certainly
no indication that there are plans for us to depart Iraq any time within the foreseeable
future.
Doggie, comment directed more towards Bobaloo...and when I say "you" have been duped, I mean we all have and Bush's 25% approval rating proves most people realize that by now.
What's the point of having a majority when they vote with the minority?
We've been had.
Welcome to my reality, founded 2005.
Say it with me now: Democrats=Republicans
Doggiebobo @ 37:
You both are right!!
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If more people do not switch to "I" and promote a viable Independent candidate in 08, the Rethugs will win again and will definitely finish off this democracy. It's already mostly fascist with Bush's new tax cuts for the corporations. In fascism, everything is corporately owned - even the administration. We have a corporate-owned media functioning as the fascist neo-nazi megaphone right now....there's really not much left to accomplish before it's known worldwide that this democracy has become tyranny and a fascist state.
“Everything’s fine.”
Keep blowing that smoke up everyone’s ass Chimp.
Ira @ 38:
You can't be serious here! We've lost 4000 lives of our very thin military at this point without any tangible "plan" at all and you are suggesting that we try something else?? We've destroyed this country, murdered innocent individuals as 'collateral damage', and have tanked our own country economically (trillion dollar national debt) and you are suggesting that we try another tact? Argument can be made that even continuing this amoral, illegal invasion for another 3 months will bring about a Depression.
I can't watch Vannity and Colmes; it hurts my eyes to watch and my ears to listen to the crap they produce and call it "news coverage of political events."
Although I do have to give half a prop to Colmes for offering Harold the opportunity to pull his head out of his ass and come clean about who's right and wrong on the war in Iraq.
But you also have to understand that Ford thought he was heir apparent to "New Black Leadership" before Barack Obama came in and stole his thunder, so anything he says about Obama should be taken with a grain of salt in that Ford hates Obama, and the feeling is mutual on Obama's part.
Obama earned his way to leadership and Ford hasn't - that's why Obama doesn't care for Ford, and wouldn't have campaigned for him in Tennessee if he hadn't been strong-armed into going to Memphis by the DSCC and Chuch Schumer.
But for Ford to be this disingenious about the war and everything else the DLC has touched and turned to shit, really takes the cake here.
veritas @ 45:
Besides, how can ANY plan work when no plan can identify the "enemy"???? We've never defined a human enemy and are caught in the crossfire (monkey in the middle) of a civil war which has been going on for well over a year. Who's the enemy? What is the objective? Since Bush has never answered either question, this war is total nonsense.
Poor wittle Harry Ford. :(
Nobody wanted to come to his tea party so now he's going to go on Fux and stamp his wittle feet. Boo hoo.
We don't know who's been right about the war all along?!? We sure as fuck's sake know who's been WRONG all along. How bout start with that? Point fingers. Place blame. Focus on your common enemy before you go and shoot at the dems on Fux.
This is someone who should be working for Lie-barman.
OleYankee, welcome to one of, if not the best, sites on the net. You're in good company here. Hardly anyone throws chairs or things like that. Okay, we do it but not at one another. :)
Herold Ford is yesterday's news. Anyone who can't admit this war was a crime at this point shouldn't be listened to about much of anything.
veritas @ 35:
Doesn't it seem hilarious now that once they knew there would be no WMD's located, they conveniently switched the "objective" to "democracy". Hah! What a kick in the face we're all getting right now as we watch the sun set on our own democracy while espousing the concept of a democratic Iraq! Hahahahah! What fools we've become....spineless, ignorant fools. While the people have slept, they stole this democracy. Pretty easily and pretty handily, I'd say.
And I keep asking myself if front runner Hillary is the one who would bring us back and change the course if elected. Cozying up with Murdoch would be reason alone in my book to be suspect.
Sorry, I meant "Chuck" Schumer in my post (#46).
And Bush makes my eyes glaze over and my ears go deaf - so I'll come back for the C&L update on his presser.
anonymous @ 30:
Busholini's on the teevee raht nayow!
KING DOUCHEBAG stammers and yammers once again.
He's trying to be supportive of the wide range of Democratic candidates, as opposed to this administration and the Republican candidates. He's trying to stay above the fray, but his lack of eloquence might be one of the reasons for his recent senatorial defeat.
Yep, Chimp's live, doing his typical rambling mumbling best to sound like he has something between his ears besides a rock tumbling around in there.
Nope, just a rock.
BlueKnuckle @ 54:
Lack of eloquence "Might be" one of the reasons...ABSOLUTELY. As he said recently
in another of his infamous speeches..."I hope we get to the bottom of the answer."
What a utter fool and incompetent asshole he is.
Ford's an idiot. I'm convinced if they'd run anyone else either than this homophobic, girl chasing spastic doushe, we would have taken that Senate seat!
Chimp says he’s not an economist. Doa! Chimp, you’re not qualified to vacuum shit out of Port-a-potties.
Gort @ 55:
With all the rock boosh snorted in his time he must have a boulder between his ears by now.
veritas @ 47:
I never expressed an opinion on whether or not we should try a different course, or whether that course could be to leave. I merely pointed out that since we haven't tried another course, we have no way of knowing who is right, only who is wrong.
Frankly, I agree with most of your points, and I think we should leave Iraq very soon. But we won't know for a while whether or not it's the "right" course of action. It's true that all the evidence currently seems to point to this as the best course of action, but there could be unforeseen consequences that, for example, further destabilize the region and engender hatred toward the USA. Perhaps some third option, neither stay the course nor get out now, is the best option.
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, "I think, therefore I'm a Liberal." Let's not become the same sort of ideologues we claim to oppose.
self centered bastard. sounds like he's getting money from the DLC.
centrist doesn't cut it. it didn't cut it in the 90's either.
the chinese, saudi arabia, and japan own are asses. that is a fact.
all this posturing is a joke.
Why, oh why, do these journalists still laugh at Chimpy's lame jokes? It's so weird to hear them cackle in the background. Or, hey, maybe it's a laughtrack! The Presidency as sitcom. Yeah.
Ford: I don’t know who’s been
rightprofiting about this war all along…Sure you do…
http://www.warprofiteers.com/article.php?list=type&type=176
Boeing
Lockheed Martin
Northrop Grumman
General Dynamics
Raytheon
United Technologies
Halliburton
General Electric
Science Applications International Corporation
CSC/ DynCorp
--> BAE profits soar on Iraq conflict
The UK's largest defence firm, BAE made a pre-tax profit of £657m ($1.4bn), compared with £378m a year earlier.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6938085.stm
As they ALL watch and manipulate their stocks and wealth - up and down, greed, merges, back and forth...
we watch our country, our bankrupt states, our deteriorating infrastructure , our precious dollar fall, our savings, our childrens future, their education, our jobs, our health care and our working class...
The criminal coverup will not stand.
Law breaking, war profiteers, war criminals and traitors that occupy the White House will be held accountable.
Blue Dogs is just a lame talking point created to keep progressive interest in the blogosphere. It really speaks volumes of how quickly the progressive blogosphere will stoop, like Republican, to childish talking points in order to pander to their base.
Scott @ 10:
I don't get it. How did he 'bust' Ford open?
AnnCoultersMoustache @ 64:
Glad you cleared that up for us.
Bobaloo @ 9:
Comedy gold... LOL
Do blue dogs have blue balls?
anonymous @ 62:
That's My bush?
One thing is clear about Harold: having him in the senate wouldn't have made the least bit of difference.
ysbaddaden @ 69:
Actually, there IS a sitcom, come to think of it...Li'l Bush!
pissed off patricia @ 49:
Am really hoping the DLC will become yesterday's news, but I won't hold my breath.
Sorta OT, but anyone notice how hard the right is coming out against John Edwards, Coulter calling him a "fag" and now John Gibson accusing him of "whoring" his wife's illness, calling him a pansy and just spewing all kinds of nastiness. The overkill is very telling. I think they feel more threatened by him and his populist message than either Hill or Obama. When you look at campaign contribution stats, it makes sense as well.
Mainstream press giving him a hard time as well.
Ira @ 60:
anonymous @ 66:
You bet Anonymous!
It's a sad day when a felon like Tom Delay had better control of his own party than a blue dog like Harry Reid.
And that Blue Bitch Nancy Pelosi. She did a hell of a job unifying the Democratic majority.
As a democrat who has been appalled by transformation of the Republican party into a theocratic fascist entity, I can not help but feel that I've been duped by the party I've supported for 25 years. (please- no lectures about how we don't have the votes in Congress to override Bush). It's important to stand for something going into a fight, even if it looks like you can't win. BUT AT LEAST PUT UP A FIGHT DAMN IT.
Besides, I'm not convinced it's a losing fight. The majority of Americans are disgusted with Bush and the republican party and ready to throw them out.But cowardly/inept democrats have been consistently undermining their own strength. Starting with Nancy "impeachment off the table" Pelosi, to last weeks FISA cave-in to the great dictator. Now Harold Ford makes this assinine statement. Clearly it's time to sweep all these career politicians out, both rethuglican and democrap who put party interests before the country. That is of course, if we ever see fair and honest elections again.
Fellow Americans, please prove my darkest fears wrong. I want to believe that enough Americans love their country enough to put aside blind party loyalty and come to her aid in this time of madness.
Ford can choose to become either irrelevant or a Republican.
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pine nut @ 72:
Your perception is right on the mark, pine nut! My ultra right wing brother is visiting this week and can't seem to stop talking about Edwards, even when nobody else is talking about him (which is about 99.9% of the time).
Sailor Art Thomas Jr. @ 70:
I'll go you one better--I'm glad this homophobic asshole lost!!! Period! He was just another Zell Miller in the making!
Yeah, I was pretty floored to hear him say it's a dispute over who's right. Um, basically Obama was right. And I had high hopes for Ford too during the campaigns.
That is why I hoped Corker would beat this fool. I'd rather have another rightwing Republinut than a another rightwinger in our caucus. He's a lyin hpocrite too, all that Jesus talk during his campaign when he is a notorious playboy and, in real life, only uses the names Jesus when he says "Jesus Effin Christ."
Scumbag!
Ira @ 60:
Whatever plan is the right one, I feel it begins with a recognition that slaughtering people is bad. Slaughtering people at a slower rate is better slaughtering them at current rates.
Ultimately, we are not responsible for the eternal destiny of the Iraqi people. We are responsible for the harm we have done and the harm we continue to do. We have no obligation to keep slaughtering Iraqis for another 38 years in order to make up for slaughtering them for the last 4 years. Spending trillions more dollars in order to destroy more lives isn't the answer.
I feel no end of shame that my fellow Americans ever thought that slaughtering human beings was the best use of most of our resources. If you look at how we spend American dollars, we value the effort to kill people more than education and the health of our children. We have demonstrated that we feel our highest calling is the destruction of cities and the slaughter of other humans at a massive scale.
This is how we have chosen to define ourselves.
Whatever we do, it must come with the recognition that we intend to do less harm. Our actions must reflect that. We must be as willing to sacrifice to achieve real peace, as we are to sacrifice to slaughter fellow human beings.
The first thing we need to sacrifice is our egos. We need to quit worrying about whether we are winning or losing the war, and concentrate on accomplishing meaningful goals. And that peace will not be won through military victories.
We need to decide that our purpose in this life is not to slaughter human beings and find a different purpose if we wish to be the nation that we like to pretend to be.
They aren't Blue Dogs, they are Red Dogs.
Pick a party losers.
Harold, is it any wonder why you lost? I am sure that the folks in Tennessee wouldn't mind a Democrat, but you gotta be a Democrat first.
Join the GOP or smarten up.
-GSD
This exchange is a perfect example of a loser. A person who does not have or is afraid to give his opinion about the war in Iraq at this point is a loser. Now we know why he lost his bid for the senate in 2006.
DLC is on the payroll. On message; On track; Onboard; On point right to the invasion of Iran!
DLC and Mr. Ford have one thing in mind; impress the CFR and the real leaders of this country that they too can run us right into the Globalization of Middle East Oil!
Hey Harold! Throw in a few comments about "the birth pangs of a new middle east!". Those CFR guys love that! They might even give you a pat on the head and let you speak at the next Bilderburg Conference.
Jeff Cohen @ 80:
Jeff Cohen??? Are you that famous artist???
for all those people who have sipped the kool-aid to long and suggest that "if we leave Iraq...chaos will insue";
1. you are buying the "lets stay for the Iraqis" line. Much like the "lets go for the Iraqis line". its BS.
2. The occupation is illegal! We have no rights there! for "the Iraqis" or not for the Iraqis! A criminal doesn't get to come into your home and then defend his stealing of your stuff because he thinks it's better for the victom. Illegal is illegal.
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Isn't Ford a paid Fox News channel contributor?
Like Rick Santorum?
http://politicalinsider.com/2007/03/harold_ford_named_a_fox_news_c.html
After losing a very close, and hard-fought election in November, Mr. Ford picked the wrong horse to make his comeback on.
We do know who's been wrong about the war all along...
Harold Ford.
There is no "far left" in the Democratic Party. The prominent non-DLC voices in the Democratic Party are calling for mainstream centrist policies, that enjoy wide support from the majority of Americans and the majority of independents, such as
Redeployment from Iraq
Universal Health Care
Higher Minimum Wage
Competent Government
Accountable Government with Checks and Balances
What is so radical about that, Mr. Ford?
Speaking of Ford & Kos, this was on DKos yesterday:
by kos
Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:38:56 PM PDT
* This Sunday, I will debate Harold Ford on Meet the Press for 15 minutes on the future of the Democratic Party. For now, it is set for the top of the hour.
The Democratic Party is NOT liberal or progressive anymore. Frankly, I don't like them anymore. Sadly, for how bad they are, they are better than the GOP. We need more parties!
The Dems voted with Bush on that bill to strip more of our civil rights. The Dems aren't the party of the people like they used to be.
Unlike the millions in the blogosphere who now claim they were against Iraq from the beginning, Obama actually has the proof.
I think Ford was trying to make a rhetorical point here. I wouldn't look into it too much.
Obama has been crowing about the fact that he wouldn't have voted for the Congressional authorization to use force against Iraq that Hillary and other Democrats voted for.
If by "right about the war" Ford is talking about being right about voting for that Congressional resolution, then he definitely has a point.
This is exactly where Barack Obama has been getting it wrong all along. Voting FOR the Congressional resolution that authorized the president to use military force against Iraq IF Iraq failed the WMD inspection process or IF the inspections showed that Iraq was a threat to our national security...was the exact right vote. Obama would have been WRONG not to have voted for it. How else were we going to get U.S. and U.N inspectors into that country to show us whether or not we NEEDED to invade Iraq post-911?
Hillary's was the right vote to cast on that resolution.
That is why Hillary hasn't apologized and shouldn't apologize for that vote. The problem was not that vote. The problem was that Bush used military force and invaded Iraq EVEN THOUGH the inspectors were telling him and the world that Iraq was proactiviely cooperating with the inspection process, was not failing it and no threat to our national security was being found. He invaded Iraq in defince of the criteria for invasion as stated in the Congressional authorization.
As far as anyone's unrealistic expectation that we would be able to start intelligently and effectively redeploying out of Iraq within the first several months of the Democrats recapturing the barest of majorities in Congress (the Senate), look up the defiinition of "quagmire". Once Bush plunged us into this quagmire, it should be no surprise to anyone that this quagmire behaves just like your classic, text-book definition of quagmire ought to behave.
Why the hell would anyone give a shit what was said on Fox.
Chip @ 94:
He's a rare bird alright.
I felt almost completely alone in being against the war before it happened. I was working in Waco Texas at the time. It was surreal to be in the heart of Bush country, watching his motorcades drive by and think about how many people he'd slaughter before he left office.
'It’s Me', by the time that vote came up, the inspectors had already proven over and over that Saddam was in compliance.
That vote wasn't necessary.
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Has Ford been sleeping the last 4 years?
And Ford was the Democrat in the Tennessee Senate race?
Weaseldog @ 99:
Weaseldog, where did you hear that?
The Congressional authorization vote was taken on Oct. 11, 2002.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/iraqtimeline2.html
Nov. 8, 2002:
The UN Security Council unanimously approves resolution 1441 imposing tough new arms inspections on Iraq and precise, unambiguous definitions of what constitutes a "material breach" of the resolution. Should Iraq violate the resolution, it faces "serious consequences," which the Security Council would then determine.
Nov. 18, 2002:
UN weapons inspectors return to Iraq, for the first time in almost four years.
He's not that bright.
It's Me @ 103:
Weaseldog, where did you hear that?
I read the declassified portions of the reports on the UN website as they were released.
Everything we needed to know, to debunk Bush, was out on the UN website. They are probably still there, but you'll have to dig to find them.
The US media lied and just made up stuff that wasn't in the reports. Anyone could go read them and cut through the BS. And hardly anyone did.
It's Me @ 103:
It's Me @ 103:
There was no reason to believe that the inspectors would find anything when they returned. They had spent years insuring that the programs were dismantled.
Iraq had more people and satellites watching it than any other country in the world. Thats why Rumsfield and Bush had to invent the idea of secret underground facilities, that we now know, didn't exist. Because we knew that was the only possible, though improbable way that such a program could be restarted without anyone noticing.
sure fire loosers for 08 obama or clinton ! kucinich and edwards might be the answer to takeing the presidency !
Weaseldog @ 105:
Shouldn't it be up to you to dig and find them? I dug and found my timeline link.
They sound like pretty hot items to debunk the entire position the U.N. took after the Congressional authorization passed. I think I would have kept a link or at least copied the info onto Word...
I still can't get the damn vid to work!
The whole Ford family is like a Soap Opera, imagine if the Cosby show was about a political family instead, then imagine if they were all dosed.
well, ford did lose his own election. that should say something.
Harold Ford and Markos Moulitsas of DailyKos will be debating on Meet The Press this coming Sunday. It is supposed to be the first segment. Harold Ford is an idiot to go up against Markos. Markos will wipe the floor with this guy. I can hardly wait. GOOD TIMES!
Here is another link showing that the U.N. was reporting that Iraq was "beginning" to cooperate to destroy missiles that were "outside the permissible range of U.N. inspectors" and disarming weapons for the first time "since the middle 1990s", all AFTER the authorization to use force against Iraq IF it failed to do so was passed by Congress.
Hillary's vote was the right one. Bush is the one who violated the specific terms of the authorization by invading despite the fact that Iraq was not failing the internaional inspection process or found to be a threat to our national security.
Blix welcomes accelerated cooperation by Iraq, but says unresolved issues remain
http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=6383&Cr=iraq&Cr1=inspect
7 March 2003 – Top United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix told the Security Council today that over the past month Iraq has displayed "active" or even "proactive" cooperation, which has allowed the inspection process to make significant progress, although a number of key disarmament tasks remained to be resolved.
Addressing a ministerial-level meeting of the Council, Mr. Blix cited in particular Baghdad's move to begin UN-supervised destruction of the Al Samoud 2 missiles, which had been declared by Iraq last year, but were later found to be outside the permissible range by UN experts.
"The destruction undertaken constitutes a substantial measure of disarmament - indeed the first since the middle of the 1990's," Mr. Blix said. "We are not watching the breaking of toothpicks. Lethal weapons are being destroyed."
No vid, still. =(
I never liked Ford, and even for the DLC, this is sad. It's one thing to be a craven, gutless hack, but how can Ford be so damn ignorant of the politics and polling on this? Who the hell is he sucking up to, or for what possible reason? If we're going to have unprincipled, bad people in leadership positions, shouldn't they at least be, I dunno, capable of winning future elections or something?
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I'm almost glad this brain dead politician got beat by the dickhead from Tennessee. He certainly should know better, but it's as if he's afraid he's going to lose his job as butt-licker for the propaganda network.
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One thing for sure ...
The public sure didn't get it right.
The public was so busy waving the flag and cheerleading for the president, that
over 70 percent supported this debacle in the making. The public figured that this
war would be over in a week to 10 days. In fact, the public stayed with this crap
through the 2004 election.
The public deserves a big share of the blame for this f***ing mess.
Futher proof that the DLC is obstructionist in their own party, Gutless and Spineless. Their Motto is if it isn't our way sabotage it.
Hey, we were warned about the Blue Dogs. Not that I am happy with them, nor do I excuse them, but I did hear tell on the radio (AARadio), right after the Nov'06 victories, that there would be some disappointments along the way as these folks voted with the Repukes here and there.
WTF is the head of ANY Democratic organization doing on Sean Hannity's program????
WTF is the head of ANY Democratic organization doing on Sean Hannity’s program????
Your comment assumes that the DLC is an inherently Democractic organization.
Just because they have the word "Democratic" in their title, doesn't make them democrats. In fact, they used the word to deliberately mislead members of the Democratic Party that they were true Democrats, even if their opinions spun ReThug.
Wow, this guy is a leading Democrat? Talk about neo-con-lite.
Glad he got beaten last fall.
At least the Rethuglican who one admits he's a repub.
The voters of TN knew this guy Ford pretty well, I think.
Too short of a clip to be of substance.
Moreover, Colmes is not a serious newsman, he is paid to be a liberal fall guy.
cristalyn @ 24:
How about worse AND worsest?
if harold has any ambition to continue his political future, he shouldn't be offending netroots. i am sure he willl the know might of kos and the like when he next thinks about senatorial race. good luck harold in developing your wisdom about current affairs.
Well, thanks for contributing, Harry. You must realize that if you weren't "republican lite" you would have won that Senate seat.
What a tool.
Jeff Cohen @ 80:
Jeff have you actually heard him say Jesus Effin Christ???
Ford is a worm! And it looks like most Dems. are finding this out
on there own. The Dems. should start looking at these spine-less
fools like Klobacher of Mn. and Rahm Emanuael.
Thank goodness he lost last year. Otherwise he'd be the permant go-to-DINO for the media. This way he's only on Fox. We'll secure the senate in 08 without him.
Harold, don't call me...
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tyree @ 108:
I like the sound of that!
Additional info: http://www.newshounds.us/2007/08/09/harold_ford_jr_joins_criticism_of_ye...
These blue dogs are the folks that give Dems a bad name: appeasing, can't attribute blame where it belongs, or blame the Dems yet worship the Repugs, wishy-washy. We should never have let them get into bed with the rest of us Dems. We should push them out and over the Repug side, where they can weaken their side.
I am for Edwards.
But Barak Obama is correct in his comment here.
And of course, Ford is still out there in left field, stumbling around like some kid waiting for Santa Claus, still believing that
AL-CIA-DUH is real.
Here this you war mongerers!
I am NOT afraid. I do NOT believe in AL-CIA-DUH. I do not support a never ending war on "Terror" which is the SAME as the "war on Drugs."
B.S. to both wars. They are just LIES to steal our hard earned money to support a frickin police state when we should be building infrastructure, educating everyone for FREE and providing FREE MEDICAL.
Harold Ford Jr. is only good for doing white women at the playboy club. Well according to right wing Republicans. Funny that he wants the Democrats to move closer to the right.
Obama rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdzcSkMCd54
Batocchio @ 115:
Is he the guy who promises to paint any car for only $99.95?
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[...] The New Chairman of the Democratic Leadership Committee Said He Doesn’t Know Who’s Been Right A...- Harold Ford, new chairman of the DLC, on Hannity and Colmes: Colmes: “Barack Obama had a great point when he said those who voted for the war in Iraq and then had to apologize for that vote should probably be the last people to criticize he—who was right about the war in Iraq all along.” Ford: “I don’t know who’s been right about this war all along…” Colmes: “Sure you do…” Ford: “That’s open for dispute.” Colmes: “You don’t know who’s been right about the war all along?” [...]
damn, I almost had a heart attack, I read:
waaaa, what happened to Dean??? Luckily I read it again, it was the DLC, the "we're sorry we're Democrats", the "let's not upset the Republicans"-Democrats
let's elect a true progressive this time shall we!
take a look at Mike Gravel, did you see him on the LOGO debate? You will love him.
Ruthless People @ 6:
Do you mean Gore and Lieberman??!
Bobaloo wrote,
That might indeed be true.
Why? There's two grounds for this claim: (1) it would backfire; (2) it's somehow morally wrong.
Since we're talking about politics, (2) doesn't pass muster.
Continuing...
It's not clear that the jackboot level of unity in the Republican Party in Congress has done them any harm at all at the election box in and of itself. Particular ideological positions, like their idiotic support for the Iraq war, have harmed them, and it's likely that their unity has amplified this harm. But unity and party discipline itself is certainly not clearly a self-defeating tactic, and IMHO it's probably a useful one if used cleverly.
As far as "centrists" outnumbering the "left," it depends on what you mean by "centrists" and "left".
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