FRC Claims Others Can't Be Christian, Have Values
The Family Research Council is launching a project aimed at convincing its supporters before the 2008 election that liberal politicians "are spouting God-talk" in order to "confuse people of faith" and hide their "true agenda." Invoking the Religious Right's recent favored phrase for its imagined constituency - as well as the "Swift Boat" campaign of 2004 - the so-called "Values Voters for Truth" campaign is an attempt to vilify liberals - and, obviously, Democratic candidates - as enemies of Christianity who are undertaking a conspiracy to "deceive and split values voters." [..]
As an example of this supposed "fraud," the letter cites a Democratic presidential candidate who spoke of his "belief in Christ" and also supports civil unions for gay couples. Similarly, the letter warns that a candidate noting a "biblical call to feed the hungry" also voted against an anti-abortion bill. A third candidate is denounced for the "hypocrisy" of wanting to let gay couples adopt children. According to FRC, these supposed contradictions indicate that Democrats discussing their faith and values is merely "lip service," part of a "campaign of deception" that led directly to the Democrats winning control of Congress in the 2006 elections.
FRC's tactic of trying to claim "values" and "faith" as Religious Right-only attributes is hardly new - it was the driving force behind the group's "Values Voter Summit" last year, organized before the elections to encourage a disillusioned base to turn out for Republicans. It is also the premise behind cries of "anti-Christian persecution," such as at the "War on Christians" conference, at FRC's "Justice Sunday" events (in which opposition to right-wing judicial nominees was presented as an attack on "people of faith"), and with "Patriot Pastor" political machines that warn of the "forces of darkness" trying to "deny America's Godly heritage."
The FCR is repulsive.
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Many of these so-called values voters are being held hostage to a cult-like mentality among their faithful. I have met many people who enter into a church, only to have to move away in order to escape the clutches of a controlling environment. I have met many older teens who have run away or been turned away for not being "Christian enough", and parents who are taught in every way how to behave, act, engage in their personal relationships. As in other cults, these churches isolate parishioners to the extent they can almost never leave. When a church sequesters you physically and mentally, it is borderline abusive. I have no doubt the profound implications of such relationships are akin to a hostage/kidnapper.
“forces of darkness” trying to “deny America’s Godly heritage.”
What might that be the slaughter and extermination of the American Indians for resources or . . . .
never mind.
Maybe the truth is Europe didn't want these clowns and thats why they ended up boat people who drifted ashore at Plymouth rock.
Christianity, once again under siege by the 15% of the population that would rather not be taken to war because government chooses to ignore the teachings of the very god they invoke. Ha ha
this argument is so.....19th century
God hates the FRC, God hates the FRC, God hates the FRC...
I know because he's sitting here on my knee. Little gnome that resembles Santa.
Never met a true Christian who said "only we can be Christians you can't."
The concept is ludicrous. Insanity at it's finest. Real Christians do things to benefit people. Not yap and snivel about how unfairly they are treated and what a raw deal they've been given in life.
I grew up with a girl who was raised in a fundamentalist baptist church, and believe me, they've been brainwashing people the past 40 years, so it's not like this day wasn't coming.
These f*cking christianista fascists are becoming a pain in the ass. What are they so afraid of in the reality-based world? Soon there will be a call for violence against anyone who doesn't believe the same myth they do.
The non-christianista Christian religions (Catholics, United, Anglican, Universalists, etc.), along with Muslims, Jews, Mormons, etc. better prepare for an assault by the fundies, who, along with bush, are doing more to damage the US than even the so-called terrorists.
MSNBC's Hardball wonders "Is Christianity under siege?" Absolutely -- from the likes of The Family Research Council.
I wish I could buy superbowl air time. I would keep it simple, black and white letters and background. Are you christian? are you for the war? in order for one to be true the other must be false. People are conditioned not to think for themselves. Plain and simple. I believe most other propaganda, revisoinist teachings, and pre-emptive wars stand on the shoulders of that principle.
Huh? We already knew this.
/sarcasm, in case you're one of our impaired visitors
Chris Joseph @ 10:
I heard they don't have sex standing up...fearful that God may punish them for dancing...
I've met many a real Christian in my time. They don't try to convert you, take your money, then make your life miserable as a condition of membership, then beat you into submission if you don't obey.
They live by example. Don't interfere with your right to free will, unless of course you step out in front of a car coming down the street with your back turned to it then they will step in and save your life.
This is bullsh*t.
NBC Header:
"Is Christianity Under Siege?"
Yes, it's out in the open now. Despite 99% of our elected officials being Christian and the majority catering to the far religious right, everyone is secretly out to destroy Christianity. You know, by not letting Christians burn gay people and non-believers at the stake like they used to be able to; the only rights the Christians now have is to deny other's equal rights. What persecution these religious-righters have to suffer.
Somebody call a WAAAAmbulance.
These goons want a theocracy but know they can't come right out and say just that.
Values?? The Rev.Ted Haggard values?? METHodist values?
Bob Allen Values?? Oh those rest area shitstall values are sooo special.
Jeff Gannon/Guckart values? Yep, a frequent hooker/visiter at the Dumbya White House.
We all know the values of these so-called religious zealots, extreme hypocrisy just rules their life.
Yeah, it's the Democrats who are trying to deceive and confuse religious people with their hidden agenda, yeah, that's it...it's not the Republicans with their culture of death masquerading in the guise of a culture of life...it's not the people who use abortion as a tool to get elected...it's not the people who deny equal rights for gay people only to be caught with a gay hooker (doing meth no less)...it's not the people who refer to their own base as the wackos who are deceiving the nation with their bogus religious rhetoric, it's the Democrats, who support people of all faiths, you sure won't see a Muslim in the Republican party, you sure won't see anyone being truthful in the Republican party, and you sure won't find anyone who has any real interest or even a belief in God.
See the moral of the story is all it takes is a small group of bad people, men in most cases to totally screw everything righteously up thats good in this world and gives people hope.
“Values Voters for Truth” wouldn't know Truth if it was staring them right in the face.
It's all about EGO to them. Me me me me me.
L.A. Confidential @ 9:
Then you've never met a catholic who is taught that catholicism is the one true religion and anyone who isnt a catholic will go to, at the very least, purgatory; at the very worst, hell.
I stopped buying into that dogma a long time ago.
I vote with our founding fathers; religion has NO place in government!! It should be PERSONAL AND PRIVATE!!!
Rosanne @ 21:
People actually fall for this shit?
CG @ 23:
Amazingly, yes. Around 30% of Americans, to be precise.
Do churches pay taxes? NO! If they are going to get involved in government it is time to change that rule. I left my church because they were preaching politcs. I am still a Christian, but until the churches realize they are separate from the government for a very good reason I have had it with organized religion.
Keep the government out of the church and the church out of the government - the whole country is better off.
crazylove @ 8:
with longer hair,a beard and a loud booming voice(for those who can hear her.
Someone asking the question "Is Christianity under seige?" should be dealt with in exactly the same way as someone asking "Is the white race under seige?".
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
Whats screwed up is this is the type of behavior that true Christianity is against. In the bible, God gave mankind free will, and to make a long comment short, said "here are some rules, if they're broken, I'll deal with it" and above all DONT JUDGE PEOPLE which is exactly what these nuts are doing. They're inserting religion where it isn't meant to be inserted, they are asserting some type of "rightousness" where none exists.
And it is working.
Condoning and putting into the law and policy of the United States the disappearing and torture of children is NOT a Christian value.
Sadly,
Heather
Let's be clear. Tony Perkins is nothing but a mouthpiece. These bumpkins are losers and frauds.
Send them back where they came from - forever.
This is the most hateful "Christian" nation on Earth!!!! The US is the World Capital of Hypocrisy!!!
A total non-issue, specifically designed to divert attention away from important issues.
Verbally attack these bastards at every turn. It's not about religion anymore; it's about human VALUES:
Love everybody
Don't judge
Don't start wars
Don't lie to people
Help people
Heal people
You can add to the list of progressive values all you want.
I firmly believe that all of these so-called religions have been hijacked by cultists and are no longer legitimate religion.
If they want religion, practice it in silence, just like their God directs.
The FRC is a tool of the Repugniscum Party!!!
They are an illegal, unregistered 527 group that should be heavly fined by the FEC!!!
Man, it's gonna be funny when Zeus starts tossin' bolts of lightnin' at those heretical FRC dumbasses!
Jesus of Nazareth spoke to the virtues of charity, forgiveness and compassion. He warned against the sins of pride, avarice and moral judgment. The only people he is credited with ever warning outright about the perils of divine justice were child abusers and religious hypocrites. He had not one word to say about homosexuality. Christianity is, by definition, a religion founded upon the ministry and teachings attributed to Jesus and to Jesus alone. To the extend any church doctrine deviates from what can be known about his life and message, it is not Christianity.
I have only three words for these self-righteous hypocritical sons of bitches:
Ted Fucking Haggard
I always thought Giuliani was toast.
Bye bye Mitt.
Newt better quit before he starts.
I think that from now on when I fill out a questionaire or a survey when they ask :
Q Religion?
A No Thanks
Freddy is on wifey number two or is it three? I know. I know. This is only his first trophy wife.
Jeez it looks like the only God fearing politicians are the Democrats. OH my.
We should call them out on their foolhardiness by reminding them that the surest way to protect their religious freedom--and that of Americans--is precisely by maintaining the separation of state and church.
Radically Moderate @ 41:
I've been doing this for years.
And they ask:
Q: Sex?
A: Yes. I'll take some!
What about voting for and supporting a war when there's a commandment against killing?
What about support for the death penalty?
What about serial marriages?
What about having more concern for the blastocyst/embryo/fetus than with a living child?
What about judging not lest ye be judged?
What about ignoring the admonition to not be like the hyprocrite who prays on street corners so as to be seen, but to pray in private?
What about the least you do unto your brothers you do unto me?
But whadda I know, I'm just a Witch.
This is a no-no. But if you're a republican spouting "traditional values" while you have a cock in your mouth that's a-ok.
CG @ 23:
They could put a scoop of it on a ice cream cone and their followers would eat it.
They'd just be told that the corn is the nuts in Rocky Road.
Sigh.
Until the left acknowledges that abortion is the bedrock issue for "values voters" and that it is this issue that allows them to be repeatedly manipulated into voting for candidates and supporting a party who are deeply unChristian in their methods and ends, we won't be able to have a real dialogue with voters who would otherwise be our natural constituency.
They equate abortion with murder. You may disagree. But the contempt on the left for that view of abortion (and for the people who hold that view) has cost us dearly. As long as the left treats the right to abortion as a done deal, the right has a crusade with every nutball preacher acting like Richard the Lionhearted.
The right needs to lose the abortion battle in Congress and in the state legislatures. And the left needs to realize that legislatures are the best arena to have it out once and for all. And we'll end up with a right to abortion that is more circumscribed than what we have now (and which will probably look a lot like abortion law in western Europe where abortion battles were fought in legislatures rather than courts) but which is more secure than the tenuous hold on that right currenlty offered by Roe v. Wade.
And then maybe the abortion wars can stop deforming American politics.
That rethug shill, Tony Perkins, hails from my current state of residence, Louisiana. I called the FRC about three weeks ago after having read, in a Baton Rouge daily newspaper, a deceitful ad by the FRC which encouraged locals to have their congresscritter vote against the hate crimes bill.
I spoke w/the receptionist of FRC's dc office and asked her why the FRC was against the hate crimes bill. The recep regurged the tp's of the religious reicht. Then I calmly asked her why was it that FRC said nothing about hate crime legislation passed years back when it focused on ethinic, racial, and religious groups. Oops, she didn't know how to respond to that but would have "an administrator" call me back asap. I told her not to bother; told her I'm ashamed to be living in the state from whence Tony was steeped in his hatred and am further ashamed that he is now trying to further seed that hatred.
Really why is anyone still bothering to give this issue REALITY?
Hardball throws out the bait and every knee in the house jerks.
Think of your densest relative. At some point you limit a lost cause.
This is so silly. So unnecessary.
Just quit talking about it. No more respondo capice`?
If you want to live in a religiously fundamental society MOVE TO IRAN!!!!!!!
50 Thinking Southerner
Is Tony Perkins wife always afraid to take a shower, especially when she sees his shadow on the shower curtain?
Cue the shrieking violins.
these "family" groups need to lose their tax exempt status. They're nothing but front groups for the GOP. Bush has added trillions to the national debt but they use culture war Soma to distract the "flock" from their declining standard of living
Thinking Southerner @ 50:
The FRC is just another Mall of America Hate Outlet with a never ending White Sell going on!!!!!!!
I'll be completely up-front of my intentions. I'm here to kill the notion of God once and for all.
Inca Garcilaso de la Vega @ 12:
Bingo. They certainly don't seem to know what Christianity is.
For 2.4 million years man has evolved, then, suddenly he starts to revert back to how men thought in the Dark Ages,
(Dark Age n. 1. An era of repression and unenlightenment: 2. Dark Ages.a. The period from about A.D. 476 to about the year 1000. b. The entire period from the end of classical civilization to the revival of learning in the West; the Middle Ages).
In the Sixties I had hopes that man would shed the yoke of fear that comes with religiosity, but I was sadly mistaken, because now we are heading right back into the dark times.
Alex should take his little brother into the woodshed.
Golly gee, when is the FRC going to look in the mirror and realize that the blowhards(pun intended) that they routinely support are the most egregious violaters of their core values?......Never!
I would bet any amount of money that if you picked at random a Bible thumper and an atheist, the atheist would be the more moral person. There are some true Christians out there, but they are very few and far between. The vast majority of those who call themselves Christians are that in name only, doing nothing to live up to the standard set by their prophet. They say they are Christian in order to fit in and to be pompous jerks to others who are different.
Zenrage @ 56:
As my all-time genius non-theist friend once said,
"Fuck you...fuck me....fuck god".
Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old "stud" whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.
Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.
Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced.
Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.”
Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.
Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times.
Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.
Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed [13], convicted in Virginia for soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy[14] and on four other counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
John Fund, right wing hack of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child.
Zenrage @ 56:
What is the "notion of God?"
What does that mean?
Tony's wife, Lawana, is a native of BR. In fact, she dated my husband for several years and until she met Tony. So her ex-beau married me, what irony. And when I say I assume she and I could be no more different, I mean there must be an Atlantic Trench chasm between us. But I tell you, that third-degree-from-Tony about which I'm marked makes me feel as though I am the one that needs to shower more often.
gee, coming from people with ridiculous primitive superstitious beliefs, that really means a lot. i hope they don't sic their super-powered sky buddy on us!
religious people are embarrassing, ignorant, and intellectually weak. it's 2007. time to grow up before we blow up.
dixie blood @ 55:
Do you know about Tony's purchase and use, in a past Louisiana political campaign, the list of David Duke's (remember that sheety good ol' boy) backers/contributors! I'd say you've got Tony pretty well figured out.
Thinking Southerner @ 66:
Thank you.
....liberal politicians “are spouting God-talk” in order to “confuse people of faith” and hide their “true agenda.”
Gosh that sounds familiar....
Now where have I heard that before?
Zonk
I'm all for a General, global war on religion. And we say the Muslims have a 10th century mentality. Oh, the fuckin' hypocrasy of it all.
Don Davis @ 2:
Damn, there are actually some things agree with BushCo on.
HEY FRC . . . deny this . . . you swarmy hypocrites! _ _ | _ _
I want the nutjob to answer, "Who asked for a National Church and who conferred that decision on you?"
I don't want or need preaching. I need a job that can feed and shelter my family and not to be paying for a series of pointless wars.
I want constitutional democracy back.
I want to live in a nation of laws.
I want my kids and their kids not to live in fear their whole lives over blowback from today.
matt greer @ 13:
I believe that should read:
Are you Christian,
OR
Are you for the war?
Common. I've heard two Minnesota Public Radio announcers muse about whether an atheist can have a morality.
Really, when you hear that you have to realize that you are listening to an uneducated barbarian who knows little of the last several hundred years of Western thought. It's only sad that American culture is so low brow that people can feel reasonably comfortable saying such things without worrying about being laughed out of the room.
Captain Kangaroo @ 62:
et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam
Don't forget Jim West, Repub. mayor of Spokane, Washington:
In high school, those who bragged the most about sex were usually those who were doing it the least. It's the same with "family values." Those who thump their chest and bellow about morals are trying to drown out the sound of their own hypocrisy roaring in their ears.
As a "conservative christian" myself I find these kinds of organisations repulsive, and for the most part hypocritical. They tend to pick and mix the bible to fit their own agenda. The iraq war itself disobeys almost every commandment, yet god forbid 2 people of the same sex make out.. then they're really concerned.
The way i've always understood it is that god loves everyone, including homosexuals. If everything in the bible was taken into a literal sense, or certain parts were not added by man then why don't these groups appeal for slavery? Why don't these groups have people stoned for working on the sabbath?
Or maybe it's because they know they can fear monger and hate off of homosexuals, and really take advantage of peoples uncomfortableness with it.
Whatever happened to Ralph Reed? He certainly played those christians like a fiddle didn't he.
Gary @ 76:
I guess you are not a Democrat becasue we know that Democrats can't be Christians. We have been told.
Umm, some context here. What's with Sharpton? I mean, why is he pictured?
I remember so well the songs we sang in fundamentalist Christian Vacation Bible School when I was an innocent young girl of 6 or 7, lovely little ditties such as:
"Love, love, L-O-V-E
Love, love, boundless and free
Jesus left Heaven to DIE ON THE TREE -- THIS IS LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!"
Now you know what you are dealing with.
I wish these smarmy hypocrites would actually read and follow the words of the man called Christ.
He was criticized for hanging out with the "publicans and the sinners," instead of the religious leaders of His time. He said don't pray on street corners, go into your closet and pray in secret.
He healed the sick and raised the dead, but didn't ask them whether they were worthy or not, nor did he ask for a medical insurance card or proof of citizenship.
He fed the hungry, and said it told people to render unto Caesar what is his (pay taxes.) He told the rich man to give away his possessions if he wanted to get into heaven.
He told people to mind their own business, not their neighbors, and was against capital punishment. He drove the money-changers from the temple.
If He every does come back, these people are gonna be in for a big surprise, cuz He will not be happy with them.
How can they claim to love Christ and hate so many of His children?
Remember this: Jesus rode on a donkey, not an elephant.
Doesn't their "tax-exempt" status require them to NOT participate in political affairs of the country ? ?
How about we truly persecute not real Christians, but the crazy Right-Wing Religious nuts.
I recall watching a movie back in the late 70's or early 80's: The Rapture - most of the "hard-core" religious preachers stayed after Christ came to earth to pick up those who repented and sought him in true heart, mind, and soul.
I'd like to give these shenanigans a run for their life. Take away their Tax Exempt, their Mega-Churches, their pricey houses, yachts, and vehicles and make them life like those true missionaries that have left all to go preach to third-world countries.
RedRocker @ 83:
What really pisses me off is these so-called "Holy" men living in mansions and getting supported by old widows sending in part of their social security checks.
It's even worse when they blow the money on meth and gay hookers.
Don Davis @ 2:
Can you add anything productive to a conversation besides linking to your lame "satire" blog?
I guess those "values voters" will just have to vote for canidates who support mass murder and child rape(ie:Republicans) then, huh?
you can tell any organization with "Family" in the name uses the noun only figuratively. Unconditional love and acceptance is what a real family should have. These schmucks have nothing but hate and greed.
Sigh. When oh when will these fundies retreat back under the rock from whence they came?
I would encourage the FRC to call on the young men and women of their following to join the Armed Forces to fight the true enemy
of christianity.
WOW! look at those wingnut kids scatter..............young repug chickenhawks don't seem to accept the calling of their leaders to fight their TRUE enemy.
Yep them Liberals are a REAL scarey bunch of ghouls compared to those Muslim Fundamentalist.
This is just stupid --
Jesus had very little to say on the subject of sexual prohibitions and precisely zero to say about homosexuality. The Bible talks about feeding the hungry cover to cover. There is not one single word in the Bible about abortion.
It is obvious that the FRC is a cult, led by people with a similar "chosen people" twisted mindset like Jim Jones in Guyana, David Koresh outside Waco and Osama bin Laden somewhere in Pakistan...or even the present Pope in Rome.
The FRC's mentality is no different than that of certain shariah-spouting Shia in Iraq, with their secret torture prisons, secret shariah religious courts, secret shariah judgments and secret executions of anyone they deem to be an "infidel." And these tortured bodies of dead Iraqis (primarily Sunni, but including "infidel" Shia) keep being dumped on Iraqi streets to warn all other Iraqis that they either submit to shariah or die.
I'm not saying that FRC leadership and members have secret torture prisons, secret courts and secret judicial rulings...they leave that up to the Bush administration.
But it is obvious from their hardcore, insane, right-wing rhetoric what the FRC leadership and members would love to do to patriotic U.S. citizens who don't want to be party to their religious cult.
In the meantime, though, they just sprinkle powder into envelopes while sitting around their "christian" dining room table and mail these terrorist letters off to everyone they've judged to be "infidels."
Which I'm certain Jesus Christ would have done...if there'd been any USPS-like mail service around two thousand years ago and weaponized anthrax. (snark)
There is a shadow looming over America and threatening our freedoms, and it's not Communism, it's corporate-fascist-christianity. The narrow minded bigots are the spiritual advisors to the religious fanatics and hypocrites, led by Cheney and his sidekick. They've killed 100's of thousands of Iraqis without flinching; they've killed 3,600 Americans and maimed 20,000 others in a lying, godless, unnecessary, useless crusade against Islam; and they've brought us to the brink -- and possibly over it -- of fiscal ruin.
If the Progressive candidates who espouse Christianity don't scream their righteous indignation about this from every roof top they deserve the contempt being heaped on them. This is not a time for paddy-cakes. This is a time to take it to the people, to challenge the narrow minded bigots to defend their heinous accusations, to verbally destroy them by dismantling their arguments and, metaphorically, tarring and feathering them and allowing an aroused congregation to ride them out of town on a rail.
It's a vast liberal conspiracy!
Yeah...the democrats have such wide and varied groups under their tent that they don't even agree sometimes, and would have a pretty hard time getting together to pull off a dramatic ruse on the media.
Maybe Christians can be liberals and vice-versa.
"Is Christianity under siege?"
Yes, by right wing crazy people. Or more accurately, you could say it was under siege, but it lost the fort.
Far be it from me to presume to know the mind of the Divine, but I have a sneaking hunch that Jesus wants nothing to do with these FRC types... just going by the example of the wrath He showed the self-righteous hypocrits of His day.
the compassionate religious reich has moved so far to fascism,
that we are headed to a dangerous showdown. the tactics they are
using to quelle dissent are exactly those used by hitler and musollini. (sp)
We gather here to celebrate the passing of the fundamentalist christian right hoo-ha.
It was madness, abyssmal stupidity, an exercise in human limitation,
It taught us the futility of reason, what life is like without art or science
Of living in the projected darkness of one's own shadow and exposure
and the suffocation of life force.
here lies the nut the shell has cast away.
Crunching a few numbers here,
it appears there are 275,000,000 of US
and an assortment of 25,000,000 of THEM
ARE WE PUSSIES?
Never, never, ever forget...
http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=70
These people are neither right nor Chrisitan...
Burn in hell, Mr. Perkins, cause that's where your hypocritic soul is going. Or you could come back in your next life as a black transsexual.
So ahh, FRC...when did Jesus swoop down and tell you all this?
Apparently, these same people within the FRC believe that it is ok to lie, it is ok to kill, to covet (as in oil), ok to bear false witness, to break the law in the name of their churches (not in the name of God), and on and on. Who then, are the false prophets, those who tell the truth or those who distort it?
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/scarlet-letter-camp...
check out the fun we've been havin' with
the Baptists For Brownback 2008 crowd....
and remember to bring your Scarlet Letter 'A'
Religion is gods way of killing off stupid people.
Is Christianity under siege? No.
But if these religious fruitcakes think for 1 minute,
that the majority of the American people are in
the least bit intimidated by their condescending, and
haughty rhetoric, they have another thing coming.
There is really no difference between an Iranian Ayatollah,
and a Baptist, or Evangelical Ayatollah. Both will kill you,
or send you to the nearest concentration camp, if they
can get away with it. The behavior of most of them does
indeed make their God out to be a Circus Clown. And they
give the distinct impression of leading their Deity around
by the nose. I know I hear many of them on a Sunday
morning on the telly, literally screaming for Iranian blood,
and more Iraqi blood to boot. Quite disgusting.
This is a political victory. Led by progressives like Michael Lerner, Jim Wallis and others, there has been a pro-active response to the rightwing social conservatives' claim to own faith. Of course, the most serious problem was not that the rightwingers claimed to own faith, but that the corporate media believed them, mostly because of their own ignorance about religion.
So we have gone from a situation where their claim to own faith was uncontested, to a situation where they are fighting back, and where they have to make the offensive claim that others' faith is not legitimate.
They believe that they are under attack because they are not free to impose their religion on others.
Example - Prayer in schools.
It's perfectly legal to pray in school. It always has been. But it is no longer legal to require all students to pray in school.
Therefore they are being attacked.
And sane folks know that you can't be Christian and HAVE values, the best Christians can do is hypocritically PROFESS to know right from wrong, good from evil, while PRACTICING pedophilia, whoremongering, sodomy-for-hire, pederasty, and preaching for war. (And that's just the priests, preachers, ministers and the rest of the hierarchy. Poor 'god' only knows what the sheep in the flocks practice, although, being sheep, and professing christianity, one can imagine that they have lots of forbidden sex.
It's disgusting for real Christians to hear these FAKE Right Wing-Nuts, with NO values at all, throw God around in the same sentence with their famous hate spewing speeches.
You can check out how vile the FRC's beliefs are by looking at one of the "researchers" that they use to circulate thier hatefull bullshit. His name is Paul Cameron, A "Psychologist" that the APA has struck off. Here's a link to some information about the "research" that he has done linking homosexuality to higher rates of child molestation. Needless to say, his methodology is deeply flawed and has be dismantled by the mainstream social science community .....here's the link C&Lrs http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html
sorry, here's a more direct link to this hate filled bullshit
uhh, I guess I suck at posting links, here it is again http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html
If they don't practice Christ's teachings, they ain't Christian.
FRC is about as Christian as Fred Phelps.
Did you catch Paul Cameron quoting Ann Landers as a research source in his article on child sexual abuse?
Hyuk.
His stats are completely wrong: there are more adult male/female child victim pedophile crimes than adult male/male child victim pedophile crimes.
Interesting coming from an org headed by Dobson, a guy who belt-beats his own dachshund, advocates whipping infants with real whips, and advocates grown men showering naked with little boys to compare penis sizes so the little boys won't grow up to be homosexual.
These are sick people, people.
The FRC? What a bunch of airheads.
There is no there there.
Again, the fact that millions of Americans believe in, listen to and act upon the advice
of the FRC says a lot about how far America has slipped in the past 25 years or so.
Once again, conservatives attempt to isolate and divide rather than unite.
I am so fucking sick and tired of Christians playing the victim card. It's dishonest, divisive and disgusting.
I am soooo sorry I said I missed the "Holy Crap" segment, this is all my fault! Forgive me Crooks and Liars! Forgive!
; - )
myiq2xu @ 107:
I must correct your time line. It was never legal to force others to pray in school. There's nothing "now" about it. It was just uncontested in many areas until our country's religious diversity expanded. Now that there are people of all faiths living in many of our neighborhoods it is no longer acceptable for them to tolerate the intolerance of the religious reich-wing Christianistas who wish to destroy this great democracy!!
you know what i think is sad, that these people spend every single years protesting magaretailors stores for not saying the word marry christmas, a pegan holiday that the christian took from, yet they couldn't care less about how the products are made and brought to those store thorugh horrible, evil, working condition.
FRC is comprised of charlatans and fools
those charlatans and fools make up far to much of a percentage of our country.
It'll be a miracle if Democrats can win the white house with all this right wing propaganda being handed out to the gullible fuckers at church.
God Bless...
bull market takes a bull shit @ 122:
It's not just the "gullible fuckers at church" but the MSM who love to suck the teets of Jebus everyday!! They run story after story about likenesses of Moses and Jebus, and the Virgin (Yeah, right!!) Mary in Cheese sandwiches, potatoes, beets, walls, windows, formations of mold, shit piles, cat hair balls, shaved heads, mud, etc.
How is it the MSM loves a good Jebus/Mary/Moses story but ignore every other religious story on Earth?
Easy answer!! They are as supertitious as the rest of the useless god-suckers in this world!! And completely closed minded to only what they know! Real morons...
Free yourself and admit that religion is as useless to philosophy as astrology is to astronomy!!
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