August 12, 2007 11:32 PM
About Bluegal aka Fran

Executive Producer of The Professional Left Podcast. On staff at Crooks and Liars since 2007. Master's degree from Harvard. Happy wife of Driftglass. Mother of three geniuses. Obsessive knitter. Blogs at http://bgalrstate.blogspot.com. .
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Here's a look back at the results of the "Karl Rove Whack-a-Mole Contest."
Like, "manifest destiny..."
mean nothing .. there's still the telephone and maybe a kitchen cabinet ... The longer this republiKKKan $$$tuff goes on, the longer they are in power the more cynical I get and the more I feel they've broken the country so badly that it cannot be repaired.
While they, the robber barrrons, get away scott free.
Rovism: Lie and the Truthiness will set you free, pending clemency.
That cartoon depresses the hell out of me. Just when I think mankind is evolving, along comes Rove and the rest of his ilk to prove me wrong.
Ha! Great toon...
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector. — Plato
Rove has brought more harm, destruction and damage to the heart of America than a thousand Bin Laden's could have ever done. One only hopes that there are painful and early cancers for men of his ilk.
At 56, Karl Rove surely is not done infecting the body politic. He has more damage to wreak, no doubt.
Ding-dong the witch is dead....
at least we have people like Letterman to make us laugh about it all
Philosopher-King, Neo-Cons, In The White House is not the joke this cartoon makes it out to be...
When it comes to Plato, his influence is not that far off from day to day goings on of this current White House
Bill Kristol, and to lesser degree, Karl Rove, really believe that they're Philosopher-Kings straight out of Plato’s “Republic”, it’s what drives everything they've done, and as such, as part of this self created job requirement of theirs, they've got to tell a “Noble Lie” to us every now and then...
These people really believe that it's their mission in life to look after us, the 'little people.'
For any and all of you doubters that don't believe that the "Cult of Leo Strauss" has penetrated the White House at the highest levels, consider the following evidence:
Here is where Leo Strauss once taught, (which makes it the cradle of Neo-Conservative thought in American Academia), after he left the University of Chicago, for the last 4 years of his life, until the day he died on the Annapolis Campus.
Now, here's a picture of one of the tutors from there getting a Medal from President Busch in the Oval Office, a woman by the name of Eva Brann, (yes, that's actually her real name), who taught me, and Project For A New American Century founder, and Fox News commentator, Bill Kristol, everything we both needed to know about "The Noble Lie" of Plato's Republic.
The Neo-Cons are a seriously delusional and dangerous bunch and the only people's best interest they have in mind is their own.
Karl Rove, and his ilk, are "Exhibit A" of the form of the truthiness of this.
~Nyc
Most likely Rove will be off to work for Halliburton at their new corporate office in Dubai.
where the law can't touch his fat ass.
Agreed walrus. Rovie will still be around, I think either in Fred Thompson's or Rudy Guiliani's campaign.
He probably thinks he can be more effective by getting out of the spotlight, essentially, pulling a Cheney, "working in the shadows".
Good riddance, Rovie. And we'll be watching you.
Count on it.
Talk about opposites. It is the difference between a small mind and a great one. Rove's fate should be a ten year prison term where he must read Plato everyday. Rove still wouldn't get it. His mind somehow skips those ideas that mattered to Plato: justice, truth, beauty, love. Rove, what a pathetic human.
The comic assumes these guys would end up in the same palce in the afterlife. Not likely.
Nyc W. Alberts @ 12:
From reading Popper's The Open Society and Its Enemies I agree on that. Hard to say anything bad about Plato. But he was a conservative in the truest sense. He wanted to prevent change.
Sorry Plato. Can't stop change. Can only delay it (conservative) or deal with it (liberal).
Anybody I've talked too who supported Plato's philosopher-king utopia always felt that, sure, they'd be one of the kings.
Send that SOB to jail!
Rove has always had a Platonic relationship with the truth, admiring it from afar but never consumating the relationship.
So the Mayberry Machiavelli is calling it quits, huh? Who's next? Gonzo, the Trailer Park Torquemada?
Who is Arthur Scheuerman?
http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/who-is-arthur-scheuerman/
More on the Crandall Canyon mine collapse: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6605037
Robber Baron Murray continues to deny retreat mining:
"Murray in a press conference last week said implications retreat mining had anything to do with the accident were false. 'And the damage in the mine was totally unrelated to any retreat mining,' he said."
Yet:
"Both sources [one a family member of one of the trapped miners, the other a veteran miner himself] who spoke on the condition of anonymity believe the downward push on the pillars suggests retreat mining was to blame for the accident. Critics of the practice have said it is dangerous because of how it eliminates a mine's ceiling support."
Also:
"Instead of raining rubble from above, debris seems to have crashed in from the mine walls, said Richard Stickler, the director of the U.S. Mine Safety and Health Administration."
The truth is starting to leak out.
I'm hearing theories that he decided to leave because of impending investigations. (Siegelman, DoJ, warrantless wiretapping, Plame, etc.) While these are all serious and befitting of high-crimes-and-misdemeanors status, I can't see that Rove would take any of them seriously. Bush has been actively ordering lesser plebes, Miers, etc., to ignore subpoenas. I can't imagine Rove would be told otherwise.
So can anyone please make the case to me that the investigations will prevail? I WANT them to, I just don't see it happening. Any insight would be greatly welcomed.
The cartoonist nailed it. Rove is monster sophistry. Darth Cheney just a plain old monster.
And a Philosopher King would have to be imbued with the pinnacle virtues of good, truth, love, and justice to even be a candidate. There is no such virtue in our politics since the job attracts the "lovers of the task."
God, Katrina? Attacking Iraq without provocation. The propaganda that led us into Iraq. It's hideous.
This implies that Rove has a conscience.
So where in Texas does KKKarl move back to anyway? Is he *really* from Texas? I know Bush isn't!!!!
kinda OT
http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2003nn/0303nn/030303nn.htm
news from way back when, two weeks before "operation cluster-fuck" commenced
Surely you can't outrun the truth because your lies cause you to lose traction.
I don't know about y'all, but I have no doubt in my mind that Rove will be retained by one of the Republican Presidential hopefuls by like, TOMORROW. There is one thing this guy does well, and that's getting dumbfucks elected. And there's plenty of dumbfucks that need help doing it on the Con side.
Surely if a warcriminal comes out of hiding, his days are numbered.
Whitney Morehood @ 28:
Fred Thompson, come on down.
It's the Attack of the Baldies.
ef="#comment-159565">Gavin @ 11:
I would like to hear Rove sing two songs by Frank Zappa rather than the phony rap he did at the tv dinner(name given to the Washington.tv writers awards dinner that Stephen Colbert will never be invited to again,due to his trashing of the Bush scumbag minions last year.because of the wonderful job he did truthing Bush and his
Rove`s first song is to Bush,and the Rev.Pat Robertson,Billy Graham,and my brother-in-law and it is entitled Jesus Thinks You`re a Jerk. And another favorite of mine that hopefully will fit,or has fit for Karl as I know he will enjoy tremendously Why because of his great sense of humor.It`s a ballad called:.Why Does It Hurt When I Pee? So rock on Karl,you`ll have a snarky blast.Enjoy.
Rove spent some time in Utah, formative years (he attended Olympus Senior HS in Salt Lake City for about two years, did not graduate) if I recall correctly. There, he saw the power of the political word, watching as the state switched from centrist Democratic to right-wing Republican. Shortly thereafter he went to work for the RNC, after dropping out of college.
Mitt Romney, Mormon, has collected more money in Utah than anywhere else, including Massachusetts where he was governor. Mitt has already been caught going off on a radio interviewer who pressed a little too hard on the religion thing. He's not afraid to act like a little prince waiting for his turn.
Turdblossum understands Mittens. Be afraid.
> Rove ... Utah ...
That figures.
Paul in LA @ 30:
Thompson's already out. Giuliani maybe? (shudder)
Dear Karl,
I hope I see you in handcuffs on MSNBC's
"To Catch A Predator."
I detest Karl Rove.
He is a sick, narcissistic maggot that needs to prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
Murdock targets NY Times. Next on the list of Rupert Murdock.
I think since we now know where he's from, it's obvious where he's gonna end up. In Romney's campaign.
Notice the timing: Romney just won the straw poll in Iowa ...
And another favorite of mine that hopefully will fit,or has fit for Karl as I know he will enjoy tremendously Why because of his great sense of humor.It`s a ballad called:.Why Does It Hurt When I Pee? So rock on Karl,you`ll have a snarky blast.Enjoy.
HAHA! why does it hurt when I pee!
My balls feel like a pair of Maracas!
I predict Romney will buy Rove for $100 Mil
Rove will guide and mentor him and in return, Romney will feed him. He will haul Rove around on the top of his car in "air-tight" box.
Isn't what Rove's saying what Joseph Goebbels preached?
The Daily Show is Brilliant tonight! And don't miss the interview/roasting of Bill Kristol.
Here's one for you Rove-----
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." (Plato)
(Maybe that is what was the core of the Rove's problems after all)....
> Isn’t what Rove’s saying what Joseph Goebbels preached?
Yes.
Isn't it nice to hear someone answer a simple yes or question with a simple yes or no answer? :-) You're welcome.
> ... on the top of his car in “air-tight” box.
I heard Sam "Genius" Seder catch that tonight when he was subbing for Mike Malloy. :-)
Haha, yes. Thank you, Stanley.
LibertyLover @ 42:
I'm already there---love that man Stewart!!!!
Dear Mr. Kristol:
Pull the plug.
Thank you.
First Rove, then Thompson,
"whatever could be next?" you ask.
I bring you yet another sign of the apocalypse:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1324437420070813
Kristol will never pull the plug...
These guys are like Nero playing his fiddle....
Trying to drown out the opposition while Rome burns....
Eternal Vigilance @ 49:
OMG! I wonder how long that will last?
LibertyLover @ 42:
Stewart blew it tonight. Let Kristol get away with saying Bush heard the voters in Nov and fired Rumsfield. When the realist knows that he resigned.
Jon was off his game with Kristol. Especially about the Iran comment Kristol made.
> Trying to drown out the opposition while Rome burns….
It's time to see Rove burn....
Time to remove the Rove colored glasses!
So if Rove is making himself available for hire, then the logical landing would be the politician who is the biggest scumbag with the smallest conscience. Guilliani, perhaps?
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Eternal Vigilance @ 34:
Wrong Thompson. Fred is on his way into the race, bad polling or no. He's paying for the fixer, and Thompson is Rove's longshot.
I think the bad turnout for the Iowa caucuses does not mean Mitt hired Rove, but that Thompson sees that these current candidates are not reaching the heartland. Expect Thompson to go full-frontal with a Rovian attack on liberalism in the time of terrorism in 4, 3, 2, 1....
The Romney Band of non-fighting Missionaries story will be reverberating through the campaign. Adding warmonger Rove to his team doesn't help those numbers at all.
laserbeak @ 39:
HAHA! why does it hurt when I pee!
Originally by Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention
My balls feel like a pair of Maracas!
Rove will end his days like Lee Attwater did, quaking with fear that he will be judged for his actions.
After years of helping Fascists win elections by the use of The Lie, The Smear, The Shell Game and the Steal, rich scumbag Lee Attwater found out he was dying.
Then, he spent his remaining time apologizing for his crimes. Attwater wasn't proud that he worked so mercilessly to elect (or impose) the great Christian leaders like Reagan, and to villify any opposition. He was ashamed of his life's work- as he should have been.
When Rove looks back on his life of crime he will fear for his immortal soul- if he really is a Christian.
War criminals often live to old age in guilt-free comfort. Just ask Henry Kissinger.
I don't know about Plato, but Joseph Goebbels would agree with Rove's statement in that cartoon.
Anyone who doesn't think this is serious isn't paying attention.
Taliban backed in Pakistan
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2b8a8cd6-48ed-11dc-b326-0000779fd2ac.html
Final reckoning days away for Musharraf
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/388b9da2-49b1-11dc-9ffe-0000779fd2ac.html
...and to think: the reason why Rove is like this is because he was beaten up by a girl when he was nine years old.
I dunno what lesson to draw from that. :?
Hang on... He's not actually resigning for another couple of weeks, but why announce it now?
I may be cynical, but...
WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE NOW??
great article online at the USA Today site about why Rove's resignation could be dangerous to the Democrats. Its worth a look.
I wonder if Fred Thompson has been waiting to officially get into the race until Rove was officially free to help him from behind the curtain?
I find it highly amusing that Charlie Rose really believes that Rove is leaving because there is "nothing he can do anymore other than compromise with Dems which is not his strength" and that he wants to write a book to enhance the legacy which he and Bush will leave. Yeah. With the legacy of the all encompassing secrecy and use of executive privilege for every single minute of the administration's tenure, does anyone in their right mind think he will tell the truth in his book? Yet we all know there are a lot of stupid gullible people out there who WILL buy it, as if it will explain everything. If Rove is Rove, he will continue his machiavellian mission from the shadows, like the black plague spreading throughout Europe, planning and plotting more diabolical schemes. Expect the worst.
Certainly Karl Rove is a fascist criminal and a traitor, but some say he is a non-believer. In any case his philosophy is that two wrongs don't make a right, three and many more do. He is the best example of a Republiscum serial wrong-doer.
Asiren @ 64:
Ummm... didn't Ashcroft, Powell, and a few other folks retire a couple of weeks after they announced their retirement? It's not unusual at all for a politician to announce their retirement a few weeks out. Jeez... a little paranoid, aren't we?
It's time Rove put aside the coolaide and ordered a hemlock on the rocks.
Didn't Plato put words in Socrates mouth? Apparently socrates spoke out in civil disobedience against the empire but passively took the hemlock because he should follow the Law.
i refer to Howard Zinn on this comment in his article or speech about civil disobedience
Charlie Rose is a beltway tool who gets his ideas in the form of conventional wisdom spoon fed to him by those at the seat of power.
-GSD
I plot your rubric scarab,
I steal your satellite
I want your wife to be my
Baby tonight, baby tonight
I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
You're mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil (Repeat)
Pay me I'll be your surgeon
I'd like to pick your brain
Capture you inject you
Leave you kneeling in the rain
Kneeling in the rain
I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
You're mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil (Repeat)
I'd like your blue eyed horseshoe,
I'd like your emerald horny toad
I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road
And then I'd spend your ransom money,
But still I'd keep your sheep
I'd peel the mask you're wearing,
And then rob you of your sleep
Rob you of your sleep
I choose to steal what you chose to show
And you know I will not apologize
You're mine for the taking
I'm making a career of evil (Repeat)
Well, to borrow an old line from Tricky Dick, I guess no one will have old Karl Rove to kick around anymore.
I learned a lot from studying the way Rove operated. Even though I hold beliefs quite different from his, I respected the wicked sense of humor he brought to everything he did.
Wrapping your mind around American politics can be pretty maddening, and if you don't maintain your sense of humor, you'll probably self-immolate.
The most important thing I learned while studying politics the last seven years, however, is that I don't ever want to make it my living.
And, so, as Rove exits Stage Right, I tip my cap to him. Let's face it, all of us on the Left pay attention and participate in politics at least a little more than we used to.
We don't know how much legal trouble Rove will be in. We don't really know what inner turmoil the man may be dealing with, either.
I don't say this to apologize for whatever wrongdoing Rove is guilty of.
What I'm saying is that, strictly as a political tactician, I give him his respect. He picked a side -the side that's on the wrong side of history, in my estimation- and fought like hell and stood up for his friends.
I think of it sort of America like that old Looney Tunes cartoon where Wile E. Coyote and the Sheep Dog fight all day, but when the whistle blows, they're off the clock and they just relax. It's why you see Henry Kissinger being invited to Rolling Stone Magazine parties. It's why we have football instead of civil war.
Again, whatever moral and legal issues Rove will be dealing with remains to be seen.
In the meantime, I'd just like to say... so long, Turd Blossom.
Apparently so for an embarassingly large number of Americans!
the repetition of a lie can become the truth?...only to those willing to believe it......
Since we're the reality-based party, let's face the horrible truth:
Rove's goal was a difficult one--to get a near-moron elected twice as governor of Texas, then twice (well, maybe once) as President. And he did it, using every Nixonian dirty trick in the book.
The secondary goals were not to govern America well, but to cut taxes on the rich, which Rove/Bush did, and to cow Democrats in every way possible so as to destroy every program designed to help the not-rich. And so things fell apart, in every shitty way possible. Katrina, the bridge, Iraq.
But now Rove walks away from this mess on his own schedule, not to jail but to riches on the right-wing lecture circuit.
And we Democrats seem to weak to reverse the tax cuts on the rich, much less get out of Iraq.
Rove won.
We lost.
for now.
Karl Bauer @ 75:
I see what your saying,but he doesn't deserve respect.Not for his underhanded technique.If anything it shows the depths of immorality in the way he chose to operate.Not at all what this country stands for.
Maybe I'd tip my hat to him ... except there's all those dead people...
Rove-ing From The Wreckage
The Platonic ideal of mendacity.
Rove and Plato? What's next...Bush and Aristotle?
Did Plato ever play with Play-D'oh!
Blue Buddha @ 64:
OMG, it makes perfect sense now:
Rove has already made it clear of his conviction Hillary will be the Dem Primary winner. So while he's had many offers from other Republican candidates for 2008, he's instead chosen to opt out early because he couldn't bear the thought of getting beaten by a girl AGAIN.
Blue Buddha @ 64:
OMFG! It all makes perfect sense now.
Let's say Rove's had many offers from other Repug candidates for their 2008 campaigns. He's already convinced that Hillary will be the Dem he'd have to go up against, but can't bear the thought of getting beaten by a girl AGAIN.
anyone else think ol' turdy bastard looks like the evil clown from the comic/movie Spawn?
Mike Huntholl @ 89:
Did anyone see that turkey?
Mr. Rove Gets Out of Town
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/opinion/14tue1.html?hp
Editorial
Mr. Rove Gets Out of Town
Published: August 14, 2007
Karl Rove, the architect of so much that has gone so wrong with the Bush administration, announced yesterday that he is leaving the White House to spend more time with his family. What he didn’t say is that by getting out of town he is also hoping to avoid spending any time at all with Congressional investigators.
Congress should not oblige.
The American public needs to understand the full story of how this White House — with Mr. Rove pulling many of the strings — has spent the last six and a half years improperly and dangerously politicizing the federal government. Mr. Rove is already defying one Congressional subpoena to testify about the United States attorneys scandal. He should be made to respond to that one, and should also be subpoenaed to explain his role in several other cases of crass politicization.
President Bush took a risk when he put someone so focused on politics as blood sport at the center of his White House. Once he did, he had an obligation to ensure that Mr. Rove understood that his job was to promote the interests of the American people — not solely the Republican Party. Instead, Mr. Rove used his position and power to relentlessly pursue his declared goal of a permanent Republican majority.
Mr. Rove appears to have been deeply involved in the decision to fire nine top federal prosecutors, apparently for either bringing cases that hurt Republicans or refusing to bring cases to punish Democrats. There is also mounting evidence that he turned nonpartisan agencies into campaign boosters, quite possibly violating federal law. Earlier this month, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales admitted that Justice Department officials attended political briefings at the White House, some led by Mr. Rove. Officials at the General Services Administration and Peace Corps, and even six American ambassadors, among others, were also given briefings.
Mr. Rove has stonewalled Congress’s legitimate efforts to investigate. Some of his key e-mail messages on the United States attorneys matter appear to have mysteriously disappeared, while others are being withheld with baseless claims of executive privilege. As for defying that Senate subpoena, some subjects might have been protected by privilege, but Mr. Rove’s refusal to show up at all is outrageous — although totally in keeping with his and his boss’s disdain for the separation of powers.
Mr. Rove failed his own party, as well as the American people, when he counseled President Bush to turn every serious policy debate — Social Security, the war in Iraq, even terrorism — into one more political dogfight. Today, despite Mr. Rove’s claims of invincibility, both houses of Congress are back in Democratic hands, Mr. Bush’s approval ratings are around 30 percent and many Republican presidential candidates are running as fast as they can away from the Bush legacy.
Mr. Rove can now contemplate that legacy from his home in Texas. But he should not get too settled in. Congress needs to use all its power to bring Mr. Rove back to Washington to testify — in public and under oath — about how he used his office to put politics above the interests of the American people.
Love it. The sort of educated cartoon that comes with a knee to the groin because I can see it virtually destined for some freshman philosophy text illustrating Socrates' pursuit of the truth vs. the Sophists rhetoric.
Sophistry!
smchris @ 92:
You mean like Plato v Protagoras: This Time It's Personal!
Why would Plato be sitting on ruins?
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