I did my tax return and did it by electronic with my bank account, and the IRS said I made a mistake and that I owe them $600 dollars. So they sent me a letter and we work out a payment plan and they sent me a payment plan booklet. I just sent them $52 for the month, and they proceed to go to my bank and withdrawal another $40. No Letters or consent, or any indication that they would be doing this. I contact the bank to find out how this happen. The banks have said that they have been doing this to everyone, and take money without any warning. The bank have nothing to do with any of the proceeding of this or any knowledge that they would do this. That from the IRS they can go in and do whatever they want into the banking system.

The bank have said they took one guy $600 dollar outright with no warning, and that they have been seeing a lot of this on a daily basis. So anyone owing the IRS is in for a surprise. Just a warning for those that are protesting the govt.

Whitman was light years ahead of his time.

Today on Hardball with Chris Matthews, Iraq war hawk and former soldier Mark Finelli admits that Bush's invasion of Iraq was a deliberate act of imperialism to provide a location in order to locate US soldiers in the region justified by a Saudi threat to kick out America's 20,000 troops.

He cited the book "America's Secret War" as for more reading on the subject.

Here's the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MS0go6M8Go

You can Digg it here:
http://digg.com/politics/War_hawk_admits_Iraq_was_about_imperialism_not_WMD

W@ wd the l8 gr8 Wlt Wtmn thnka how we use Englsh 2day?

Gekke @ 6:

what an asshat, I guess english was the only language he spoke fluently.

I take his statement as a sort of excuse for the prosaic and robust nature of his own poetry. I do like this part;

"—when the swarms of cringers, suckers, doughfaces, lice of politics, planners of sly involutions for their own preferment to city offices or state legislatures or the judiciary or congress or the presidency, obtain a response of love and natural deference from the people whether they get the offices or no … when it is better to be a bound booby and rogue in office at a high salary than the poorest free mechanic or farmer with his hat unmoved from his head and firm eyes and a candid and generous heart … and when servility by town or state or the federal government or any oppression on a large scale or small scale can be tried on without its own punishment following duly after in exact proportion against the smallest chance of escape … or rather when all life and all the souls of men and women are discharged from any part of the earth—then only shall the instinct of liberty be discharged from that part of the earth."

Oh, holy s*&t...

We're going to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/world/middleeast/15diplo.html?ref=world

Re: my above post, the last line of the article is priceless!

"I think that the circumstances require us to do our best to bring the country out of this difficult situation," Iraq's Sunni Vice President Tariq Hashemi said.

Since we're doing American Authors on the thread and the quotes of Thomas Paine had someone who appeared to be Will Rogers... thought I'd throw some of him into the mix!

Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate; now what's going to happen to us with both a Senate and a House?
--Will Rogers

Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
--Will Rogers

I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
--Will Rogers

On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does.
--Will Rogers (A personal Favorite)

There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators.
--Will Rogers

The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has.
--Will Rogers,

I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.
--Will Rogers,

I find this "my language is the best to express everything and encompasses all senitments" statement to be kind of shallow. Especially considering that when I read translations of whitman in french it really hit home.

ALL language is interesting, nuanced and complex. Not one moreso than another.

etienne

> Have Christians Already Accepted The Mark Of The Beast?

Hell, they already accept the cross (the instrument of Jesus' death) as something to worship. Of course they accept the mark of the beast as well.

You know this summer I have seen people FINALLY peeling these off their cars ( middle america) ...I had three on this street, and all are gone now....( three W stickers)

enigma, they've been pretty much gone from here in so-called Bush country (Houston, Texas) for a couple of years now. Every now and then I see a Bush/Cheney sticker or a W sticker, maybe once every two weeks. If their window is open, I open mine and yell "TRAITOR" at the driver.

Have Christians Already Accepted The Mark Of The Beast?

Actually, that'd be the 'Euro' of the beast... (a little 'currency exchange' humor, there!)

Dennis Kucinich does an excellent job in this interview with George Stephasnuffalupugus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKsuzoDalI

I'd love to see this posted on C&L later today and read the comments because he is just so right on so many levels in this interview.

I like Whitman and his writings, but I do not share the same respect for my native tongue.

Did you know that English is also known as the Liar's Language? You have to speak another language to fully understand why, but one aspect is how specifics are eliminated out of words, such as gender and tense, where as with many foreign languages, the specifics are conjugated into the word and cannot be removed or casually omitted by the liar.

Hardly the dialect of common sense!

Yesterday, when I heard that Karl Rove was leaving, my very first thought was that Cheney was behind it, becaue Rove was basically the only obstacle between Cheney and an attack n Iran. This morning the first thing I hear on Washington Journal is that Bush is declaring the Iranian National Guard a terrorist organization. This is the first time a National Army has gotten that designation. I believe an invasion of Iran is next on the Agenda.

Every other reason given for Rove's departure makes no sense. He is not afraid of any Congressional subpeona. He won't show up and Congress will just sit there and gripe about it. THe only person with enough power to remove Rove is Cheney, and the only person who had a chance in stopping Cheney was Karl. Karl is a bad, bad man, but Cheney is an evil, murderous lunatic. Rice will either get with Cheney's program or she will "move on down the road", too.

apishapa, I'm afraid you're right. That is the only thing that makes sense. Cheney is evil and we know Cheney wants to blow up Iran. Probably even Rove knew this was an awful idea and his job was to look after bush and the republican party. Bombing Iran will be the last straw for the party and bush. This is getting uglier by the hour.

Bush Administration to 'move' on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, deems Group "Global Terrorist"

The United States has decided to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the country's 125,000-strong elite military branch, as a "specially designated global terrorist," according to U.S. officials, a move that allows Washington to target the group's business operations and finances.

The Bush administration has chosen to move against the Revolutionary Guard Corps because of what U.S. officials have described as its growing involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as its support for extremists throughout the Middle East, the sources said. The decision follows congressional pressure on the administration to toughen its stance against Tehran, as well as U.S. frustration with the ineffectiveness of U.N. resolutions against Iran's nuclear program, officials said.

The designation of the Revolutionary Guard will be made under Executive Order 13224, which President Bush signed two weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to obstruct terrorist funding. It authorizes the United States to identify individuals, businesses, charities and extremist groups engaged in terrorist activities. The Revolutionary Guard would be the first national military branch included on the list, U.S. officials said -- a highly unusual move because it is part of a government, rather than a typical non-state terrorist organization.

..continues @ link...

http://www.howardstern.com/rundown.hs?month=August&day=14&year=2007&x=54...

The Howard Stern Show Tuesday, August 14, 2007

ANCHOR OR CHIMNEY?
Howard started off the show by saying he was sitting in front of the CNN building in his limo, and saw Lou Dobbs talking with a friend. Lou was smoking a cigarette, and then immediately smoked another, and then three more. The whole time, Lou was having an animated conversation with his friend and getting excited when people recognized him. Robin said that no one ever talks about Lou's crazy cigarette addiction, which is weird to her, because she feels that it's a big personality flaw. Howard agreed, saying it was really weird.

Could the US position of placing Irans' armed forces on US State Departments' terror list be getting us closer to a War with Iran? http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=328

"Where the 2008 Presidential Candidates stand in an easy to compare chart…
http://www.2decide.com/table.htm
yenehC hcaepmI "

The link has been censored!!! They don't want us to know and be an informed electorate? If so, that spells trouble already. I can just imagine what is to come in the future. They want us to be discouraged and not vote?

yenehC hcaepmI @ 28:

Dennis Kucinich does an excellent job in this interview with George Stephasnuffalupugus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKsuzoDalI

I'd love to see this posted on C&L later today and read the comments because he is just so right on so many levels in this interview.

its obviouse that the powers that be ,the corporations want the american people to vote for the next loosers for president hilley clinton or obamma, they think we are stupid and can pull another kerry on us, swift boatings an art with these faschist pigs , hillerys just republican light obammas not going anywhere hes black and just a one trick poney, who gave one good speach at the democratic national convention, dennis cucinich is the only candidate besides gravel thats talking turkey and isnt bought by the corporations ,want more george bush youll have that with hillery obamma!

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
--James D. Nicoll

I've heard of people being Frenched and even Greeked, but what does it mean to be Englished

Spanked?

Curtilingus @ 30:

I like Whitman and his writings, but I do not share the same respect for my native tongue.

Did you know that English is also known as the Liar's Language? You have to speak another language to fully understand why, but one aspect is how specifics are eliminated out of words, such as gender and tense, where as with many foreign languages, the specifics are conjugated into the word and cannot be removed or casually omitted by the liar.

Hardly the dialect of common sense!

English is a perfect language of business, economies, contracts, etc - very clear (conjugation not as crucial here, the worst lies are simply in small print, or as you say, just ommited, etc), however English is quite poor as langauge of emotions, feelings, and needs often several words what many other languages accomplish with one. Although we know Joseph and Joe, it does not indicate the age of Joeys. In other langauges (say Spanish, Italian, applicable to many other) if Jose is called Pepe, Peppito, Peppetino, etc - it mostly indicates a boy, child, a young Joe. Another example: a girl is just a girl, or boy is just a boy in English, without much saying in what age group could s/he be - one has to say 'a little girl/boy' to provide more age related info. In many languages (Russian and other Slavic ones, Italian ) there are very specific words (3-4 or more, each for different 'stage') that indicate the girl is much younger, a teenager, etc.. The same applies to many more. I am multilingual, fluent in several (alphabets as well), can 'operate' in ~ 10 langauges. It gets confusing sometimes (a great word in one language can be quite obnoxious in another !), one needs to practise to be current w/changing vocabulary. Am trying to get time and watch w/one eye the native daily news in 4 laguages from diff countries, while doing other stuff, occasionally in fifth .. Poetry of course gets more tricky - if one knows the original, very seldom the best translations are good and reflect the intent of the original. Knowledge of particular culture - living/immersed in it, history (as centuries, not the meager last 100 years !), being as familiar as possible w/native ALL is mandatory for some better understanding and translation, esp. poetry. The same applies for translation of English language (English-English, American-English, Oz/Kiwi-English, etc..) works/poetry into any other.