Rove: Champion of 'the little guy'?
Michael Gerson, Bush’s former chief speechwriter, devoted his latest Washington Post column to praising the genius of Karl Rove. It's not exactly persuasive.
Rove’s main influence on the Republican Party has not been a series of tactical innovations but a series of strategic arguments. In this way, Rove is the opposite of a cynical political operator. He is not only a partisan for George W. Bush but the most serious, tireless advocate of Bushism.
First, Rove argues that Republicans win as activist reformers, in the tradition of Lincoln, McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt. “We were founded as a reformist party,” he said in our conversation this week, “not to be against something, but to help the little guy get ahead.” The models he cites are 401(k)s and the mortgage interest deduction — government policies that encouraged individual wealth and ownership.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Rove is the opposite of a cynical political operator? He’s a champion of the little guy?
Kevin Drum tears Gerson's piece apart.


Sure. If by "little guy" you mean shrub co. and corporate congloms and big oil.
Can I smoke some of that too Dave ?
This is satire, right? This guy stole some unaired material from the Daily Show? That's the only logical explanation I can think of.
Rove is the worst possible stain on politics. His is a philosophy that depends entirely on dividing people, on turning Americans against Americans to secure votes and benefit a very tiny fraction of super rich business executives.
Rove is a pig. And he has gotten away with murder - literally.
KKKarl will be the guest on MTP this Sunday.
Tell Me It Ain't So
I have heard everything now. Rove helping the little guy is no more true then Al Qaeda in Iraq, and that is the biggest lie of the war after the WMDs lie. I am not surprise at the positive spin Rove is getting. When you have a cable news system that is 90% conservative, you see how much control of the media can change the complete direction of news and the people in the news.
Joseph
Hey, Nixon gave us the EPA. What conclusion should we draw from that about the thug party?
They're Dirty Hippies. They only care about themselves. Always high on oxycontin, viagra, or any other Rush that makes them feel the power. Take a bath, Rove.
And Grrrson, get a real name, take your nose out of Rove's ass, and join the human race. Feed your head on something else besides the heroin of placing stupidity before country.
The Philadelphia Daily News' befudled Stu "Another 9/11 Would Be Helpful" Bykofsky gets OWNED by Scott Horton. Listen to this delicious interview smackdown:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/15/scott-horton-takes-on-stu-bykofsky/
Champion of Bush's little guy, maybe.
If he's looking out the for "little guy", why bring back the credit card and car loan interest deductions? that dragonian bankruptcy law??? Yeah, I'm sure the "little guy" loves him for that one....
reformist party?
Does he mean like:
The Social Christian Reformist Party in the dominican replublic?
The European Liberal Democrat and Reform Party?
The Arab reformist party?
Or does he mean like Iran's largest reformist party?
Hard to tell by google.
Personally I think he meant like the armchairsubversive reformist party myself...
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
A child on every republicans lap reformists..
provided the "Little Guy" has a last name of Rockefeller then I guess yes, this asshole is for the little guy screwing the even littler guys.
Rove is
sorry, I was going to say Rove is just in it for himself and all he has brought to the political arena is a lower discourse and increased dirty tricks...I don't know how that helps any little guy, but it sure helps the criminals who couldn't get elected otherwise.
I made the mistake of reading this article while drinking my morning coffee and nearly choked as a result. After I recovered, I decided that it has to be one of those Bizarro world sorts of things. Down is up, black is white, etc. If you read it in that context, it makes perfect sense.
Bit NOLA @ 6:
As bad as Nixon was, he had at least one good thing to come from his legacy: the EPA. Almost seven years in office and Bush has come up with nothing that was either good... or even worked.
concernedmom @ 13:
It's Opposite Day!!! Wheeeeeee! :D
Hey, Nixon gave us the EPA. What conclusion should we draw from that about the thug party?
That Bush hated Nixon?
Rove's "greatest accomplishment" has been to craft language that has convinced a large portion of Americans to vote against their own interests.
It's Bizzaro world where everything is the opposite of how it really is.
No surprise here. I just don't get surprised anymore. They've even taken that from me!
WHere do these lost balls come from?
The little guys to Karl Rove ,are the millionaires under 25 million net worth. They have not learned to be predators yet.
The fact that Gerson gets to spew his conflicted, revisionist nonsense in the Washington Post several times a week is about as damning an indictment against the paper as anything. Imagine giving Ron Ziegler his own column in 1975 shortly after Watergate, and that's about the size of the suck-up job.
mdhatter @ 16:
Any time the thugs seem to do something in the best interest of the EARTH means they want one of their guys running it.
From a certain perspective I can almost understand it. THey really believe that they are for the little guy. And having known quite a few little guys, they think the same way that Rove and co do. The little guy is always out for himself. The cult of the little guy is let the other guy worry about himself, let's just worry about me. So from that stand point, I think what Rove said was true. It doesn't matter that Republican policies do not actually benefit the little guy. The little guy is so grateful to get three hundred dollars back at the end of the year that he doesn't realize that the big guys are getting hundreds of thousands back each year. And their brother's keeper? Forget it.
As Nikolai Gogol said once, "People are ready to embrace all of mankind as a brother, but will not embrace their brother."
Hitler was a champion of the Jews. He threw em in the oven for their on good.
BushCo: Helping the little guy to buy an overpriced house, introducing the little guy to the the brave new world of mortgage foreclosures.
The mortgage interest deduction is the result of a 19th-century aspect of the tax code that was intended to aid corporations. It is totally accidental that the little guy benefits from not having to pay taxes on interest on loans.
War is Peace. Love is Hate. Rove is champion of the little guy. This is doublespeak as surely as we've always been at war with EastAsia.
George Orwell wrote Nineteen Eighty Four as a warning.
George Bush reads it as a manual of operations.
well, that's the motto right? when times get tough! Go shopping! That is sound economic policy to a republican. It's outrageous.
SadbutTrue: Is the bit about George Orwell yours, or a quote. Good stuff!
HammClov @ 28:
Don't forget the tax cuts for the upper brackets...
The new Mission Accomplished photo:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/FoU30anh.jpg
Somebody explained the trickle down theory to me the other day. The more giant refrigerators and washer and dryers the neocons buy the more boxes the little guy has to move into, as a home , when the depression hits the working class. See! It aint all bad.
Rove must have given him an extra dollar to cum up with that drivel!!!!!
The very word CONSERVATIVE is the opposite of reformist!!!!! Conserve means to conserve the old ways. Conservatives hate change and reform. They fear and loathe new ideas. It doesn't matter what they are or how they will help. New is scary and frightening, and conservatives cower in fear of NEW!!!!
One thing they are good at though. They are experts at lying!!!! That is an old conservative notion that never changes.
Rove is for the little (character) guy, the little (work) guy, the little (brained but rich) guy, and the little (contribution to society) guy.
And he's the opposite of a cynical political operative - he's a cynical political failure trying to be an operative.
His influence has been a series of strategic arguments - he has caused the Dems to win the next 20 years of elections over the Repugs through his dimwitted partisan bickering strategies.
ha! In New York City that's the truth. You can't leave anything on the street for five minutes before someone picks it up and takes it, or lives in it!
foolme1ns: Read Philip Agre's essay on Conservatism and what is wrong with it. Good reading and makes a convincing argument about what you said: http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html
I want to know what Gerson's been smoking or drinking, because it would be nice to get that HIGH...even at 9:00 in the morning. :-)
I think, in the final analysis, it will be shown thusly:
- When our system of government "fails" it will not be considered a "failure", it will have been a raging "success" to those who "failed"; and,
- When our economy finally crashes and burns, it will not be considered a "failure", it will have been a raging "success" to those who "failed".
The people who are at the helm of both systems are practiced dialectical thinkers. They were reared in Hegelian households and deeply indoctrined in the same at a young age in their elite schools. Then, they entered their chosen field and joined thousands of other like-minded individuals, who then worked in tandem to rule over and enslave the floundering, idiotic masses.
And, it was easy. It took about 100 years or so, but it has finally paid off for them.
We're totally doomed. Prepare yourselves for anarchy and totalitarianism at once. After all, what would true Orwellianism be without doublethink, even after society breaks down completely?
Don't give a damn what they were founded on. What I give a damn about is what they've been doing the last twelve years. Which is pushing their bullshit religious agenda, violating the constitution, ignoring the suffering of the people in order to make big oil happy and pushing all all into an environmental, social, economic and military disaster of epic and unheard of proportions.
Which, I might add but was too quick on the Submit button, is like dating a modern day Ike Turner. Yeah he used to do a lot of nice stuff for you, but now he just beats the shit out of you on a daily basis.
Wow, What an arrogant bubble boy. He and his boss are completely out of touch with the pulse of the nation. He needs to keep up with polls, and know that mainstream America is not with him. Completely Out of touch. Which planet does he live on? -----> http://www.YouPolls.com Keep them Honest
Sure, Rove is for the "little guy" -- right before he "tears the tops off" and does his MC-Rove dance. Putrid!
Blue Buddha @ 14:
And in fact has worked tirelessly to gut and utterly emasculate every environmental and fiscal counterbalance that formerly existed. shrub is like an 'anti' midas. Everything he touches turns to shit.
Sentiment: 'Rove for the little guy.'
My reaction: Pfffffttttttt!
Rove is no genius. Nixon had his Donald Segretti. Bush has Karl Rove.
It doesn't take genius to exploit the fact that Big Media will spread any lies you give them, without ever checking any facts, and without ever admitting to past mistakes.
If the little guy is Napoleon Bonaparte.
Republican Party: For the Little Guy
The underhung
The P***k party.
Typical repug approach to manufacture reality:
Rove is for the little guy.
Bush the 2nd is a poor abused soul who's only sin is fighting for our security and interests
Bush the 1st was a brilliant strategist and the 90s economic rally was entirely due to him not Clinton, in fact the 02 mini recession was completely Clinton's fault.
Reagan was the best president of the XX century, he single handedly defeat the Soviet block.
Heck they managed to frame Ford as an amazing statesman when the idiot died a couple years ago...
For Republicans lying is second nature, in fact some just can't tell reality from their fiction anymore.
I laughed so darn hard I had to go to the bathroom twice. And there were 68 posts before me.....I have one question...does the MSM think all Americans are as stupid as republicans? Correction...does the MSM thing all Americans are as stupid as MSM>
That speech by Michelle Obama underscores why we need a change from the political quagmire that has engulfed this country for so many years. Rove is a part of the problem because he is responsible for the politics of fear. He is a part of the problem. America, succumbing to this Rovian atmosphere is the biggest part of the problem. People, do something different. Don't buy that brand of politics. It's the worst possible way to go. I'm starting to see Clinton as an off-shoot of that; keeping the playbook of fear continuing. We should, each of us, elect a president we believe will put a stop to the principle strategies Rove put in place. Obama, Edwards and Kucinich seem to be the only viable candidates to do this. Living in fear is what will get us a Clinton, Dodd, Biden. That is fear. That is what Rove wants. Keep national security through fear up on the table instead of realizing that there is a better way to keep us safe. I don't want more of what I already had. Check out Michelle Obama's speech. WoW.
Rove’s main influence on the Republican Party has not been a series of tactical innovations
"Tactical innovations"??? Is that what they're calling dirty tricks now?
Gerson is insane. Rove constantly brags about the Bush tax cuts which have added trillions to the national debt. The "little guys" children and grandchildren are going to face massive middle class tax increases to pay for Bush's giveaway to the Coors and Walton heirs
Karl Rove showed his true feelings about the average worker when he said the following.
According to a congressman’s wife who attended a Republican women’s luncheon yesterday, Karl Rove explained the rationale behind the president’s amnesty/open-borders proposal this way: “I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas.”
-GSD
The "little" people, under the republicans, have been squeezed to the breaking point. Our tax dollars have been transitioned away from supporting our needs here at home and into the pockets of BushCo and the war profiteers.
The pack of lies crapping out of the corporate media has to stop.
It won't stop voluntarily, and that is why we need to break up the monopolies. It's the only way to shut these liars up.
Wasn't Machiavelli a little guy too?
ysbaddaden @ 46:
Rove pulled his bone apart?
Nothing pisses me off more than when these Bush administrations scumbags and acolytes invoke the names of Lincoln and Roosevelt when comparing their actions and principles to those of these past great Presidents.
With Rove's girth, methinks he ate the "little-guy."
Maybe whole boxes of them.
Since one of Rove's main concern was in getting his clients elected, and even one of his protegees was hired to replace a federal prosecutor who wasn't pursuing election fraud cases of false id's, couldn't we logically conclude that Rove was the one behind the vote caging of the "little guy"?
Is it possible that those RNC E-mails may produce something that a soon unemployed Karl thinks he has to get out in front of and create his own repetitive lying spin? Why else would he be so aggressively be touring the fantasy media during his vacation?
Well, he does lay it on pretty thick. But you know what they say: "In for a penny, in for a pound." Or in Rove's case, a quarter ton.
Talk about twisted logic. I've got to say, I'm so tired of this sort of thing-- and the right wing does it constantly. They set up these long strings of distorted premises, one following from the last, to arrive at a conclusion that's 180 degrees opposite from the obvious reality.
This attitude that's so prevalent on the far right, that there is no objective reality, that everything is a matter of interpretation (or spin, to be more precise)... this attitude is right next door to insanity.
I think he meant lil' George, not little guy.
Rove is still on the US payroll until August 31, right? He is doing a very blatant political media blitz in the meantime on your and my dime. It's another example of in-your-face from KKKarl.
I know the fed is bailing out the stock market as I write, but I'd like to comment on Rove's self-praising remark about 401(k)s. In the past week people with 401(k)s must have been heading to the bathroom pretty frequently. If the markets fall, that means the big time spenders have already taken their profits and the little people tied up in retirement funds cannot act quickly enough or individually to pull their money out. The smaller investors are the ones who end up paying for the folly every time. Voluntary retirement funds need more protection just as social security as been protected from the vagaries of privatization.
With Rove's resignation, the Bushies have begun their campaign to rewrite the true actual history of their regime and replace it with their own bizarro narrative from a parallel universe (Darren Dalton much?).
Remember, these guys consider themselves as "History's actors", who have the right and the ability to do this.
We need to be diligent and ram each and every lie they come up with back down their throats and we need to do it in the print and film media, where more people have a chance at seeing the Bushie history revisionist lies exposed.
Also I'd love to see a "MediaMatters" type blog created to deal with this upcoming Bushie rewriting of history, where everyone of the Bushie "History's actors" lies are thoroughly debunked with links to the truth, so that the few credible journalists out there can easily access the true history and how the Bushies are trying to manipulate it with their lies.
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History's Actors
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
- Ron Suskind "Without a Doubt"
401(K)s and mortgage interest deduction are certainly helpful, to us somewhat bigger little guys as well as the very rich, but there's tens of millions of Americans to whom those two items alone are beyond anything they'll ever achieve. That's where poverty, crime, and other serious social issues thrive, and that's where we need more action.
OxyCon @ 65:
One thing Rove and his kind didn't take into consideration is THE INTERNET and all those pesky bloggers. The Pig Boy. No wonder you're seeing such venomous attacks on KOS, FDL and even C&L.
'Rove is the opposite of a cynical political operator'
In the same way that Machiavelli is known for being guileless?
How could anyone write that about Plame-outing Rove? Unreal.
Rove: Champion of 'the little guy'?
You just can't read that title without thinking 'the little guy' means George W. Bush. I passed the thread two or three times before I stopped to read that it meant something else.
Coalition death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
Escalation in Iraq by the numbers
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IH15Ak03.html
Gayle @ 70:
well the more deaths the better memmorial we can build in dc, i see a wall , a lage wall maby puce collored a lage picture of the chimpy on the one end and a larger picture of the cheny turd featured on the other end, in between these nazi thugs will be the names of their victims , god it will be gourgous below the names will read , [ what better way to honor our war dead then to make more of them] rest in peace !
TraitoRove is pond scum. I am so sick of hearing him described as a genius. He's a sociopath and a traitor to this country. Many of TraitoRove's more successful scams worked only because the media has become a stenographer for the corporate criminals running things. Instead of attacking TraitoRove's daily lies/talking points, the media simply repeated the nonsense as if it were gospel truth. WMDs; Saddam's ties to 9/11; Valerie Plame was not undercover; Everything Bushco does is protected by executive privilege; the Sleazeboat lies; That bulge on Junior's back during the debates was not Rove giving Junior the answers; 9/11 was Clinton's fault; etc.
TraitoRove and Bushco are the worst enemy of the little guy and of every guy whose not already filthy rich. Just look at New Orleans, they've done nothing to help the little guys after Hurricane Katrina.
Oh yeah, tax cuts for the wealthy really help people who are struggling. What fucking drugs are these people on? And if Teddy Roosevelt could come back, he'd smack Bush in the face.
I'm SICK of this idea of "Balance" that the so called Liberal Media thinks it has to print by propagandist/apologists like Gerson spews.
What's worse is, HE is part of the problem, not some bystander pundit.
It's like letting Cheney write a column about "how outing Valerie Plame" was really hard on him....
It's just so stunning that these parasites scream so loudly about moral values and love to blather and rant about moral decay, then they are the ultimate Nihilists: Nothing matters except they win and line their pockets with their blood money.
Would you ever see A right wing rag or Faux allow this kind of unabashed spin and historic revisionism of a Democrat?
Hardly, but, of course, WAPO must be "fair and balanced!"
Rove's a champion at scraping little guy remains off the bottom of his shoes.
" to help the little guy get ahead.”
He meant to "help the little guy get ahead in the line for the poor house."
Check out the readers comments to Gerson's love letter to Rove, very entertaining, I'm on page 20, and there's only been about three posts in favor of Rove out of the whole bunch at this point
Rove helps the "little guy" get noticed, perhaps in the same way that someone with a spotlight might shine it at his own troops and yell out to an enemy sniper; "Hey, over here!"
Individual Wealth! What a great person! As soon as I become an individually wealthy person, such that I can benefit from Rove's heroic deeds, I may thank him for betraying all the other Americans in his fascist putsch.
WashStateBlue @ 74:
Great comment.
My own analogy that I would add is; I'm waiting for the media to add balance to news reports about bank robbers. "Was Mr. Rove, as Liberals put it, stealing? Or, was he really just liberating the money? You decide, later with Nick Cavooto."
DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace @ 73:
Smack Bush in the face? I dare say TR would tear off his head and shit in his neck!!
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit
Simon White-Thatch Potentloins @ 80:
Bush, and ALL these strutting Republic ChickenHawks (Rudy, Mitt, Fred) would crap their pants if confronted with someone as really tough as Teddy R.
Funny, the modern Republic party hack gets all misty and soft about Ronnie Rayguns, who sat out WW11 doing a promotional gig.
Has there been ONE actually real stand-up Republic get elected since Ike? They shat all over McCain and put Frat-Boy Draft Dodger in office, cause he's a tough talking cowboy?
Teddy Roosvelt? Hell, FRANKLIN Roosevelt could have kicked the crap out these wimps from his wheelchair!
To me, the Poster Children for the Modern Day Republic Party are Mitt Romneys Six Sons, who tough it out riding bikes and driving the Campaign Winnebago through Iowa, but aren't about to put THEIR necks on the line for a war Daddy is dying to inherit.
Gutless bullies, everyone one them.
No wonder, the world laughs at US, the terrorist KNOW that Bush and Cheney are little punks with no real backbone...
Threaten the Oil, and they cower in the corner like the pussies they are....
The only time Karl Rove has ever liked the little guy is when he wants to scrap something off his jackboots.
Moon @ 60:
I think Rove is already campaigning but for whom? I'm just worried that, with as much as Rove loves the Bushes, it'll turn out to be Jeb. Rove leaves, trots out the line that the Bush family is all for, and part of the common folk, plus you have the added "awwww" factor of Jenna's marriage. Provides an excellent opppotunity for big family photo op that's bound to make certain voters go all misty-eyed and vote Repub.
WHOOOOOAAA, BIG FELLA! Easy there, Michael, you'll pull something.
This is the same Michael Gerson whose White House colleagues recently accused him of writing squat during his tenure -- simply taking the work of others, done while he was off giving feature interviews, and then taking the credit for it. Here in NYC, that's called, Pulling A Rudy. (That's a very bad thing. Ask Bill Bratton of the LAPD.)
Ummm, let's not forget context here. The whole idea of 401k/IRA/etc. plans were to have something in place when they killed the idea of pensions. Take the riff-raff's retirement off of their backs, and slide it over to the R-R's. Just cut those suckers loose. This was not a boon; it was a way to kill the Pension. Period. Just greed again. Pure and simple. Of course, they then set it up where the biggest beneficiaries of the new plans were the people who had all kinds of discretionary dollars to save: THEMSELVES!
Remember at all times:
1) Always use the Rex Reed Rule: whatever they say, the opposite is true. Their "Clean Air" will kill you faster than a bullet.
2) If you see "an anonymous Administration official said," that means it's a self-serving lie from a self-aggrandizing coward.
What Rove and Gerson et al. need to understand is that it's their little guy who is going to be adjudicating their war crimes trials and most likely sending them to the gallows.
Perhaps the 'little guy' is the knotted mass of shit
floating around in Bush's skull...you know, the lump of crap
they try to pass off as a brain. That's probably the stupid
little nickname he has for it. You know how Bush & Co. are
with their stupid nicknames for one another.
He's the champion of any little guy who's ever been a bigot, anyway...
Ownership Society: If you don't own anything, you don't belong in society.
I was just at WaPo. Gersons not faring well in the readership feedback dept. 60 pages of letters so far running 200/1 against him.
I wonder how He's going to enjoy being out of the cozy little cocoon of the west wing? Not so much.
Rove likes to play with his little guy.
ysbaddaden @ 90:
Maybe he'll play with it so hard he'll tear its head off.
If you can stomach it, read the WSG's editorial about Rove. A real revision of history to say the least. You can almost see the tears running down their collective cheeks.
Champion of the little guy! No way. Rove lead the charge up Constitution Hill. He is the worst excuse for a human being (of course, along with Dick Cheney) to be alive now. He believes himself to be a political Svengali. He lies, he cheats, he deceives. I am hoping that this spider gets wrapped up in his own web and suffocates. As for loving his wife? If my husband had a male business associate who called him "Turdblossom", I don't know how long our marriage would have lasted.
I just heard David "Bobo" Brooks on NPR spewing this same talking pt. (obviously engineered centrally, prob. from TurdBlossom himself) that Rovey was a great "reformer", & the only problem was that the ReThugs didn't fully enough support his "reforms"-- destroying Social Security, etc.
Even more disgraceful (since we expect Bobo to lie whenever his mouth is open) was the speaker paired w/ him, "Ruth Markus" (if memory serves) from the WaPo far-right editorial pg., talking about how Demo congress critters were "weak on national security" & would pay w/ the voters-- 10 days or so after they crumbled to BushCo & enhanced unconstitutional wiretapping power for lying Gonzo!
It doesn't matter how often their lies are exposed, the MSM just invents bigger ones.
This just shows that you can say anything if you don't care how stupid you look. Rove sayin' it don't make it so.
Are you talking about Rove's sorry excuse for a penis? Because if you do your right on the target.
Well worth watching the short video at:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08172007/watch3.html
Well worth watching the short video at
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08172007/watch3.html
what happened to my post?
Bill Moyers has a comment on Rove at ,http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08172007/watch3.html.
Just posted Bill Moyers' take on Karl Rove at my website
Charles @ 66:
The problem is the Feds who manipulate interest rates. They raised rates 17 times @ 1/4%. That is 4.25% increase in home mortgages which in most cases resulted in doubling the mortgage payment.
This in turn hurts the little guy who buys on credit - yes Credit Cards and personal loans are affected also - but helps the upper middle class on up who have savings
That's what they call helping the little guy?
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