There's still time . . . there are people where I work who think we should nuke Iraq on the way out . . . . they have that mad look in their eyes.

He obviously doesn't understand the situation because if he did he would see that the evil dictator was propped up by the United States and that no WMD's were found. Honestly I think George W. Bush would have looked a lot worse killing every Iraqi only to find out there are no WMD's, maybe that is what he is going for. President Bush: At least he didn't nuke Iraq.

This poster forgot one important item about Caesar - Rome was not a democracy.He also left out a third option - if the leader of the United States promotes a program or law, fairly and honestly, implements the program, finds out it didn't work, he could say to the people, "Hey, we tried, but this didn't work out the way we envisioned. I made a mistake. Let's try something else or fix what we've got." Something George Bush hasn't tried and wouldn't even know how to admit to a mistake.

These nuts think that because we have nuclear weapons just sitting there taking up space, we might as well use them.

Bill O'Lielee @ 2:

There's still time . . . there are people where I work who think we should nuke Iraq on the way out . . . . they have that mad look in their eyes.

And I expect that Darth Cheney is one of them.

And President-for-Life Bush. Yes, that's just what we need. Wackos that make Jack D. Ripper look sane cultivating the winger crowd and coming out to openly push bare-faced fascism and genocide. Well, at least they're not trying to disguise it anymore. Ya think O'Reilly's going to go all sanctimonious about hate speech on the internets over this one?

What a frigin' Kook! He needs on of these!

Delia @ 8:

Bill O'Lielee @ 2:

There's still time . . . there are people where I work who think we should nuke Iraq on the way out . . . . they have that mad look in their eyes.

And I expect that Darth Cheney is one of them.

And President-for-Life Bush. Yes, that's just what we need. Wackos that make Jack D. Ripper look sane cultivating the winger crowd and coming out to openly push bare-faced fascism and genocide. Well, at least they're not trying to disguise it anymore. Ya think O'Reilly's going to go all sanctimonious about hate speech on the internets over this one?

My namesake, Mr. OhLieLee, has a special room reserved for him in the eternal magma room.

Wow another day and a life is repug stupidville.

Syring is another asshole worth mentioning.

Evidently, he slept through the part where Caesar was slaughtered by the Senators and Rome descended into a social political free for all between the survivors. Additionally, he fails to explain why Caesar slaughtered Gaul. Money. Greed. Terrific motives which are quickly forgotten when the other side pushed back and the slaughter became justified. I wonder if he understands that most human beings simply want to live quiet lives and enjoy their culture, lifestyle, and families. They only become enemies when attacked. The situation in the middle east has been brewing for thousands of years. The issue of whoever started the fight is moot.

A right wing authoritarian laid bare for all to see.

Can you say scary?

It's a spoof site. They want bush to get what cesar got.

Ruthless People @ 7:

...the Christofascist jihadists ...

I don't think you have to say Christofascist. History will show that Christian is the default fascism.

rcg @ 3:

What in the hell makes these people like this? How can they be so evil? did they really spawn from the same America that i did?

this is the compassionate conservative reichwingnut neocons at their best.

ALL A BUNCH OF BASTARDS.

I think one realizes that a certain segment of the American population is totally friggin nuts. The ones who generally advocate such violence, yelling the loudest and the most vulgar are the same ones who you will find are nothing but wimps. That's this wingnut digby with the blog.

wow i love the bill maher add!

Rob Riggle from Iraq on the DAILY SHOW!

sorry about the extended link (must close tags!)

Junker @ 31:

It seems this guy is a certified nut. If you have a look at his bio, it condemns him utterly:

I mean, all the Freudian traumatic childhood stuff is there. And I missed the part where he explained his qualifications to us (sorry, I forgot, Universities are too PC).

Unfortunately, he is an Australian (although originally British), which makes me rather embarrassed. I have always known we have our share of far-right nutters, but I didn't realise that some were quite so far gone.

Funny how so many of these whack-o's are Brits or Canadians.

We must look like easy picking for a lunatic wanting to get ahead in the war mongering game.

Had this moron actually made an effort to learn the history of the Roman empire he'd discovered that it...Ahh...didn't end so well. What an effin fool.

the connies want to control a woman's pregnancy but think nothing of killing millions "over there"

Its just fancy psycho babble...ignorant and destructive.

What's even more fucked up is that there are people that read it and agree...lurkers in this very place.
And we're the haters? Haters are the ones that quietly agree with this garbage.

What scares me is why are these nut-jobs running around trying to clean up their own poop.
The "nuke Iran and declare marshall law" theory suddenly has a little a little more teeth.
I wouldn't put anything past this administration.

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Not surprising that some of the people most clamoring for US global imperialism are not from the US. People that insecure that they want to subjugate themselves to the biggest bully on the block... it just has to exacerbate their psychoses that they're from "wimpy" countries.

After reading this post by Digby, does anyone doubt that the wingnuts in the White House, with such ardent and insane backers and advisers, are on the brink of declaring MARTIAL LAW, and ditching our democracy???

Immediately after getting re-elected in 2004, Bush and his wingnuts pals set in motion their plans for seizing permanent power, with Alberto Gonzales doing what he's been doing at the Justice Department an important part.

But let's not forget the secret warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens, U.S. spy satellites training their spy cameras on U.S. soil, large amounts of taxpayer money going around the nation to police departments and DHS centers to buy their loyalty, the building of $385 million worth of secret detention centers due for completion by the end of this year, DHS setting up a TIPS program from which to pay informers who spy on and turn in other citizens, pastors being recruited into "Clergy Response Teams" to mobilize in case of martial law, Bush executive orders stating he'll "consult" with Congress and the Supreme Court "if" he declares martial law following a national emergency (and solely based on his judgment), the overturning of the 1878 Posse Comitas Act and suspension of the habeas corpus right of suspected "enemy combatants" (based solely on Bush arbitrarily deciding who or who isn't an "enemy combatant).

Bush-declared MARTIAL LAW looms, my friends, my fellow patriotic American citizens.

And to hell with Bush being Caesar.

Mark above has already noted that this Atkinson guy is not only a friggin jack ass, but he also doesn't know his Roman History all that well. He seems to have forgotten that Julius Caesar does not equal Octavian/Augustus Caesar (I guess this moron doesn't even have HBO!). And yes, Octavian was eventually able to defeat his enemies, gain control of the entire empire and usher in the so-called Pax Romana. Nonetheless the Roman Empire was inherently unstable and remained at relative peace for 200 years more because of luck (the great pandemics didn't show up until approximately the 3rd century) than anything else. And during these "peaceful" years, Rome enjoyed Caligula (whose ghost now resides in the White House), Nero, civil war in 69, another civil war in 96, and then, after approximately nine decades of good luck, gradual decline. During the Third Century, Rome was in hell, and once it emerged, for this, the system that "saved" the empire was even more authoritarian. I guess that sounds like a jolly good time, especially if you are a friggin, right-wing jack ass. Why are these people so incredibly stupid?

I wonder if Atkinson (the author of the piece) realizes that Pakistan has nukes? What does he think Pakistan would do (let alone any other country who would consider us a global threat) if we nuked Iraq?

I can only hope there are more rational and thinking people in power in America than people who have completely deluded themselves, like Atkinson.

"...unt aftavud vee get zee jooz."

Yessss, of course; nuking the middle east and going batshit crazy on the rest of the world will resolve all of democracy's domestic shortcomings. Waaall, I just don't understand why they'd feel the need to scrub their archives.

Does this guy have an HO-scale zeppelin field/rally viewing stand in his basement by any chance?

All I can say to these radical right-wing extremists and terrorists is:

Try it and see how short your life-span becomes.

This nut job who wrote this thinks the military would fight to keep him in power for life? Please. At the rate Bush is abusing the military he will be lucky if the military doesn't remove HIM from power before 2009.

yeah..... nuke the middle east..
blowup & irradiate all the oil.....
world chaos....
cats 'n dogs living together...

throw in a dash of christian identity.....

sounds like Quentin Tarrentino's new project

rcg @ 3:

What in the hell makes these people like this? How can they be so evil? did they really spawn from the same America that i did?

I don't know. I wish I knew, but I honestly don't.

It is these types who make me question Socrates idea that all humans strive for good and iti is only a lack of education that holds them back.

For though I wish it to be true, how can one educate such as this?

His words betray his people, his nation, and indeed - his faith. This article stands very much against *every* advance society has made since humans started using fire.

I won't say more because I'm not sure I can hold my anger in check.

The military swears an oath to defend the constitution, not some strategically shaved prosimian in a suit.

If Bush did make a completely blatant (as opposed to the current slightly less blatant) grab for dictatorial power, it would be the duty of the military to immediately detain him and hand him over to Congress for trial.

'Simple' as that.

The scary part is that George Bush and his minions have been acting like he is president for life. He's still sucking up power like he doesn't realize that it will all go to someone else in 2008.

This is why these nut-balls/neocons need to be put out of power
and never allowed to have it. Fascist authoritarians.

...

rcg @ 15:

These people are clearly Insane and Dangerous - why are they sill roaming the streets and not in the rubber rooms of some mental institutions? No, really. I'm serious.

how soon we forget ! reagan had them released from the sanitariems in the 80s to save a buck!

This is so adolecently Conservative think tank juvenile goo-losh.

Fry these two items atated;

Their Framework #1
The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise.

So a idea tht is "popular" can in no way be "Wise" as well?
-(Its wise as long as only a Republican decides it is)?
'So let Mark Foley decide if Pedaphilia is a crime, he is republican?

Framework#2
When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

"I know where the WMD's are, they are North-South-east-West of Tirkrit", Don Rumsfeld.

-Bush took the "only" action "prudence" demanded?
-There has never been a single military scenario, nor a single political plan, but very many options to deal with every issue of action on other Governments.
- Now Bush chose one option he may call prudent by his judgment. But the American people were led to believe the President had much sounder judgment and he would utilize it. We find it not to be the case. And difference with the Prsidents judgment was muted in the media when addressing the fallicy of Bush's course prior invasion.

Now all the Nuke'em carping. Not sure if it is worth addressing. Ask yourself why the big Oil Co's were brought in prior to the invasion? Do these reckless conservative that seek the rapture really believ Bush was invading Iraq for anything other than oil? What good would conquering a country wealthy in oil with nuke if the nukes will prevent you from exploiting those oil reserves.

I can see it at the pumps- regular, ethenol, premium, unleaded and no-radiation. Another free market choice for the consumer...........

I just watched Nuremberg last night on Television. Brian Cox played Hermann Goring. This Phillip Atkinson makes Goring look like a piker.

Are you making a hopeful prediction? Don't think the repubs are brave enough to match up with the Dem candidates? Come on, some of them like Cheney had to really fight for those 5 deferments. Now that is tough...........

"President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president."

If your going to try and write a 'professional' paper it might help to at least try to learn the difference between a majority and plurality. In 2004, about 60% of the eligible people voted. Of the ones that did, Bush barely got a majority of them with 51%. That means about one third of eligible voters voted for W.

Psychopath Ten to one he considers himself a Christian too.

YEAH...YEAH......THAT'S THE TICKET!............completely, certifiably insane.but ten again look who we're talkng about.............they are nuts.

j swift @ 78:

Psychopath Ten to one he considers himself a Christian too.

Of course he does. He explicitly invokes Bush's "duty to his God" - nobody except a self-serving Religiofascist (see righties? We can do it too) uses language like that.

Keep in mind - I DO consider myself a Christian. In the "Jesus died for our sins, was a kind and caring and humane individual who would do anything to help people, deserving or not" vein. Not the "Well I'm better than you because I have religion" vein.

*sigh* I'll hold off - I'll start ranting if I get going.

Suffice to say - if push comes to shove, I believe folks of this man's totalitarian stripe are in for a rude awakening. I know *VERY* few folks with a military background who'd go for this kind of thing. Heck - if they heard this guy mutter something like this, I know my uncle in particular would be uhm... well lets just say I suspect the argument would be short.

In fact, as bizarre as this sounds - let em try it. Seriously.

In the (in)famous words of Bush himself - bring 'em on.

They try to take our country and we'll show them who the real Americans are.

They all went to the same school (home school?) it seems. On their website an exclusive article by the Editors is headed "Is Any (sic) of the Presidential Candidates Perfect?" Hmm. Is any of the editors conversant with grammar?

notice the intelligence coupled with the amorality. to this person, it's all a game. there's no humanity involved, just chess pieces. it's simply us or them, no room for empathy -that's for weaklings.

the irony is that the person who wrote this is a physical coward, untested, a pampered momma's boy. never dealt with a shattered casualty of combat. never put his own rump on the line. theoretical warrior. chicken hawk.

The Oracle @ 48:

After reading this post by Digby, does anyone doubt that the wingnuts in the White House, with such ardent and insane backers and advisers, are on the brink of declaring MARTIAL LAW, and ditching our democracy???

Immediately after getting re-elected in 2004, Bush and his wingnuts pals set in motion their plans for seizing permanent power, with Alberto Gonzales doing what he's been doing at the Justice Department an important part.

But let's not forget the secret warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens, U.S. spy satellites training their spy cameras on U.S. soil, large amounts of taxpayer money going around the nation to police departments and DHS centers to buy their loyalty, the building of $385 million worth of secret detention centers due for completion by the end of this year, DHS setting up a TIPS program from which to pay informers who spy on and turn in other citizens, pastors being recruited into "Clergy Response Teams" to mobilize in case of martial law, Bush executive orders stating he'll "consult" with Congress and the Supreme Court "if" he declares martial law following a national emergency (and solely based on his judgment), the overturning of the 1878 Posse Comitas Act and suspension of the habeas corpus right of suspected "enemy combatants" (based solely on Bush arbitrarily deciding who or who isn't an "enemy combatant).

Bush-declared MARTIAL LAW looms, my friends, my fellow patriotic American citizens.

And to hell with Bush being Caesar.

I started to forward digby's post to every remotely sane person i know with an introduction that read much like the Oracle's. Then I was struck dumb with deja vu. If people don't want to believe such a thing is possible, they will damn well deny it regardless of any evidence. Iraq proved that.

The ran the trial balloon in 2004 positing a scenario in which elections would be "postponed" in the event of a terrorist attack. They were merely musing, right? The nation suffered a failure of imagination at the time, unable to believe that "our government would lie to us to get us into war," as a beloved cousin told me.

I hope things have changed and we will rise against this tide, but if American Idol is on, or if a starlet shows her yoni at a roller derby match, we're sunk. We'll be as distracted as pubescent males at a nip slip.

Having read it a few times, I'm becoming convinced it's the group The Yes-Men.

The fact that Family Security Matters are 'busily scrubbing articles all over the place 'must be an indictation that these people must at least be marginally aware of just how insane they are...

We don't need to worry about foreign terrorists. We have more than enough homegrown ones who think that might makes their "right"right and that only they know the "real truth". Is dictatorship the natural successor to democracy in their book? I only wish that we had enlightened leaders rather than the swamp dwellers in charge now. What is the ultimate goal of these swamp dwellers? It must be to be rich, powerful, and in command of a devastated world full of blind worker ants. I can't even comprehend how disturbed these people really are.

That is the neocon action plan all summed up. The neocons don't like democracy. Nor does the Trilateral Commission, one of whose purposes was to "...curb the excesses of democracy..".

The writer, Phillip Whatsisname, reveals the mind and thinking of the sociopath.

I would not be surprised to see Bush and company concoct some excuse to declare martial law between now and the next election. If they think they are going to lose, or if they think that a Democratic candidate who is beyond their control is going to win the nomination, they are going to look at the remaining period of this regime as their last chance for a good time to come to realize the neocon dream.

It would be a very stupid move, but these are people foolish to the point of delusion. They would then have to learn the hard way the lesson they are currently refusing to learn in Iraq and the lesson they have apparently forgotten from Vietnam: that the full might of a heavily militarized police state cannot defeat a broadly supported guerilla insurrection. I don't think the American people would be the sheep they expect them to be.

This, The Authoritarians, is a must read:

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

It is by Bob altemeyer, PhD. He is the researcher whose work was cited in Conservatives Without Conscience. If you want to understand what the authoritarian and totalitarian personalities are all about.

It's a 261 page pdf, which summarizes 40 years of research. I could not stop turning the pages once I got started; read it over 2 days. This is an essential bit of reading for anyone who considers it important to know the mind of the committed enemies of democracy and liberty.

These people suggest the solution for Iraq would be the same way Caesar did to Gaul, which they pretend applies to today's context. They suggest Iraq be depopulated and replaced with Americans.

Gitmo's real purpose is to contain people like these so that they never touch a human being.

This crank is even crazier than all the other crazies in this so-called administration & among its supporters. Turn that rock back over.

This clown is just a crank, and does not represent any organization or pilitical group beyond himself. I have yet to encounter anyone from either the right or left who would endorse this madness.

I'm certainly not fond of the Neo-Cons, but trying to apply this guys paint to them is just plain unreasonable.

Here's Mr Atkinson's views on fatness:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/diet/myth.htm

A powerful, nuanced piece of work from our self-described social outcast/the only sane observer of humanity.

Are they fucking kidding?

Its not that democracy is bad, its that they let people with an IQ of 42 vote.

How old is Philip Atkinson? Twelve?

"This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy."

If, for a moment we pretend this is a sentence it implies every President has faced rage since Washington.

"When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army."

Invaded, yes. Conquored, no.

"The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead."

Very wise...

"The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide."

Yes, all the other kids are doing it!

"President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons."

That explains the lack of armored Humvies.

"Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government."

Perhaps this guy would have prefered living in Saudi Arabia?

"However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow...Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome..."

Why didn't he use Hitler's invasion of Poland example? I wonder.

"If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies."

Ok, but how would the gardners and the fruit pickers get there from South America?

"He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons."

Oh, i see. He is not twelve. He is certifiably insane.

Wow, that is one of the scariest things I've ever read. EVER.

The best way is to emulate Rome and conquer the world via mass slaughter?

Wow.

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Why stop there? Thars a whole lotta libruls dessycratin' Murika in them thar blue states. Heh heh

I went to the FSM website and read the original posting and then I went today and it had been deleted from their cache. This is serious stuff, it reads like Jonathan Swift, but these folks don't do satire (I guess it is because they do farce so well!) The Board of Directors of FSM is a high powered list. If another disaster happens how far away from martial law is the US, particularly with this kind of thinking counselling the White House?

Okay, I am going to be devil's advocate, here. At least this guy is admitting what war is about, and for that, he should be commended. Bush and the Neocons couch their conquest in terms of spreading democracy and freedom. Bush is just quixotic enough for me to think that on some level he might even believe it. The way wars have always been fought, with rare exceptions, has always contained at least an element of genocide. When one's enemy tries to kill you, the standard behavior is to reach for the biggest weapon available. If we are going to be over there killing a million men, women, and children over the next fifteen years, I don't see what the difference is if we do it in half a second except for that it will take less time and be less painful for everyone. Note that I am not advocating either staying there for ten years or nuking them. I am just saying that we can't buy into the idea that what we are doing now is any better than nuking them, except maybe in terms of our world standing in public opinion, which is not good. Personally, I think nuking them is far superior to killing them by degrees, but of course then we would have radioactive gasoline, so that will never happen in as long as the half-life would be for that radiation.

Nuke em eh...Till they glow in the dark on our way out ehh....
Riiiighhtt... insane in the membrane...INSANE IN THE BRAIN!!!!
Blaed upthread nailed why... All about that nuke winter thing... Fallout has no politics... It goes where the wind carries it......JD

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

I have a sad sneaking suspicion that this paragraph reveals a frightening truth. If Cheney and Bush had the support of their electorate they would indeed commit nuclear genocide.

You'd think these religious wackos would have a little more respect for what they themselves claim to be the fucking Garden of Eden. Hey yeah lets drop a nuclear bomb on the supposed birth place of man.

Brilliant idea.

I wonder if Philip Atkinson's quotes will feature in al-Qaeda's equivalent of the "Why We Fight" propaganda films?