Bill Maher On The Factor: "I want to see the crossdresser and the Mormon run together"
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Aug 22, 2007 10:01am
On Monday night comedian and host of HBO's "Real Time", Bill Maher, appeared on "The Factor" and talked politics will Bill O'Reilly. Knowing he was out-gunned in the brains department, BillO treads lightly through most of the interview, but manages to get his digs in along the way. This was classic Maher, intertwining brilliant comedy with serious and and honest facts -- even BillO laughed at some of his jokes -- the ones he understood...
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O'Reilly: "Now, Republicans - are anybody on the right, on the Republican side appealing to you, Bill Maher?"
Maher: "They're appealing to me as a comedian -"
O'Reilly: Ok, but you wouldn't vote for them unless hell froze over."
Maher: " Right. But I would like to see the cross-dresser and the Mormon run together."
John Amato: O'Reilly smears Arianna Huffington, calling her a left wing loon. " I know a loon when I see one and you stacked it up last year. How many times can Arianna Huffington come on the program? Since she regularly appears on The Factor I'm sure she'll be happy to hear that. Meanwhile, his little sandbagging camera crew got the police called on them."









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I love how Bill memory holes Rudy's lifestyle. "independent" anchors on the march
"We have got to put pressure on the mass media not to play the same craven role they played in Iraq, when they effectually collapsed and became a megaphone for Bush's policies," Sanders said. "What Robert is saying here is that the leader of that effort is Fox News, which in many ways is simply a propaganda machine for the Republican Party and the Bush administration."
(Senator Bernie Sanders)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070822/ap_en_tv/tv_fox_iran_1
Maher for President!!!
Then we can smoke jazz cigarettes legally!
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the play link for the WMV is busted. I click it and nothing happens - I don't even get info in the status bar at bottom of my browser.
Video does download, though.
please fix.
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latest rev of Firefox.
Weird, I can't get the link to play.
Maher is one of the few pundits game enough to enter enemy territory. And he holds his own very well. I wouldn't mind seeing him on Hannity as well.
Maher ROCKS
O'BigMouth SHUT UP
Windows media player works!
hmmmm Vid links no workeeee . . . DOH!
"history will judge him" - nice cop out billo.
I kinda have mixed feelings about Maher. Some time back he was on Imus and at that time he didn't seem to be very up to date on some things. I like that he's quick and funny and hit's his targets with dry humor. Maybe the day he was on Imus he was having a bad day or something.
I've sworn off the O guy just as I did the A woman in the black cocktail dress.
No video here too!
what i saw and heard was maher when asked about portreus' assessment that the surge is working, maher explains in detail why this is a false assessment. o'reilley then dumbs it down with simplicity apparently in deference to his audience, "okay, what you're saying is that the surge is not working." question comes immediately to mind and i'm writing as i'm watching, when o'reilley makes the snide comment that the show is loaded with left wing loonies, why didn't maher extend the invitation immediately to o'reilley to come on the show. that would have been a win-win. maher is bright enough and strong enough to take o'reilley on expose his lies for what they are. should tim robbins also be on the same panel then all the better i would watch.
"Crossdresser and mormon" - what a country! I should say - what a joke this GOP group of fakes actually looks like. You've got Mc(BeachBoy) Insane, Rudy the Girlie Boy, Mitt (The Bigamist) Mormon and now the criminal (violating election laws) Fred (the cradle robber) Thompson. What a country!!!
I'm sitting here ROTFLMAO as I even visualize this group of phonies - the best of the GOP - wow! Has this party degenerated.
Can anyone visualize Ms Total Plastic Thompson sitting as "First Lady" in the white house?? Between her obviously augmented boobs deflating regularly and her botox injections freezing her face up, she would become a comedy of errors herself.
Then check him out - an impotent, sad, over-the-hill B actor pretending to be president? We've already had one real actor and another "wannabe" in Bush. We don't need any more of what the GOP has to sell.
GOP - Actually the "third party" now by numbers of registered voters. Independent Voters now comprise 35% of the population with the Dems around 38-40%. That leaves a meager 25% (or less) as registered Repukes. This number is dropping daily.
Time to "vote for a third" - the People's Party!
” I know a loon when I see one ..."
So he can ID a loon visually? Usually you have to HEAR them to ID them. There must be a club, and Billo must be president.
Did the mic cutting, "shut up" yelling, Billo actually say they believe in the freedom of speech on his show???? OMFG
I love how Putin is setting things afire with his shirt off. Why can't they see how much Russia has improved under his tutelage? I personally am amazed by the transformation in Russia in the last few years. But I still don't have a handle on how much it helps the average Russian citizen. Giuliani is a disgrace.
Crossed Dressing = Going to the Playboy mansion??!!? Jebus, no wonder the reich-wingers are morally bankrupt scum if they think cross dressing is no different than going to the playboy mansion. You f**king loons.
O'Reilly spent the entire interview attempting, as usual, to attack Democrats yet didn't say one critical thing about his reich-wingers. Trolls, I bet you still "think" that he is fair and balanced, riiiiiiiight?!!!!! LOL.
I jate to say this but maher lied huff was on the show last season.That being said he nail o'reilly ass maher is a real stand up guy.He sticks to his guns no matter where he is.
Ricky Bones @ 5:
I dunno CROSSdressing sounds kinda religious.
How do Mormon couples crossdress in each others sacred underwear?
Does sacred underwear get hashmarks?
This sites gone bizarro today.
And not just because FAUX personalities are on it.
American Pundit Fighting @ 6:
Yep, I'd like to see more of this. Armed with humor and the simple truth, simpletons like "Get off my lawn" O'Reilly don't stand a chance.
My big question is: Why the hell is the media still calling this "The Petreas report"? Maher has got to be up to date enough to know that it is being written in the White House! They admit it!
AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!
you forgot maher's whip snap put down to bor's comment about ariana... stopped billy dead in his tracks!
Only about the 20th time Maher has mentioned the cross-dresser thing. Still must be funny to some I guess. Is this the framing strategy?
Che's Lounge @ 16:
Oh he knows a loon when he sees on alright... he looks at one in the mirror on a regular basis...
[...] still beavering away on this book that I’m writing, but I haven’t laughed this hard at an online video in some time. Science bless Bill Maher. Can’t wait for the new Real Time season to [...]
I'm curious why Maher didn't mention Ron Paul. I know nothing that would get O'biley's panties in knots more than throwing support for the anti-war Republican. :S
Thanks for these clips C & L. I have Faux News blocked on my TV so that noone can stop there even by accident. Maher makes O'Really look like an idiot with such ease.
O'Reilly is calling Maher out for stacking the guests on his show?
Is there no freakin' end to this man's hypocrisy?
I agree With Bill Maher about JE. John Edwards is a populist in the tradition of JFK, and he is the Right's worst nightmare.
uncle wally @ 9:
What he didn't say was that "history will judge him poorly." And that would be true.
Well.....I'm somewhat heartened by Falafel's assertion that dubya will only be judged by history....as he's always wrong, that's a contraindication that dubya will in fact be judged......I'm hoping for Nurenberg.
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I donno if this has been mentione dyet, but anyone see Bill's uneasy reaction to Mahr saying rich ppl dont need those tax cuts??
dennis @ 27:
Yes, it is. Like Gore's earth tones, and Gore "invented the Internet," and Gore was the subject of Love Story, and Gore sighed too much, and Gore was "stiff" and, oh, don't forget, no matter what's gone wrong in this country, IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT, IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT, IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT.
Wingnuts are useful tools in mechanics and to the GOP power structure.
There's 5 different pictures of Guiliani cross-dressing? Something's up with that. Sick puppy.
Maher did everything he could to restrain his eye rolls. BillO is pathetic. I hear his radio show is about to tank...
Straight Shooter @ 39:
The reichwing, who want to name everything after Ray Gun, even though he hasn't been dead 10 years yet, want to rename San Andreas Fault the Bill Clinton Fault.
Straight Shooter @ 39:
Maybe, Straight Shooter. But liberals/progressives don't want in any way to be like them, do they?
I was laughing out loud when BillO said, "you go to the Playboy Mansion all the time and nobody gives you a hard time about that..." and Maher replied, "But I go AS A MAN... in MEN'S CLOTHING!"
Hilarious... my personal fav moment.
dennis @ 27:
Only about the 1,000,000,000th time O'Reilly claimed that anyone left of Coulter is a "far left loon". Still must be funny to some I guess. Is this the framing strategy?
dennis @ 43:
Reich-wingers think they speak for the masses. More proof ^^^^
nullbull @ 44:
Considering reich-wingers are chronic homosexuals and sexual deviants, attending something so blatantly heterosexual would be repulsive to the reich-wing.
ysbaddaden @ 42:
The San Andreas fault happened 6,000 years ago when the earth was created, ysby. Can't blame Clinton for that one. Although I'm sure his wife will soon fix it.
Princess @ 48:
More proof that reich-wing stupidity is a hell of a drug.
Chris from Ohio @ 40:
Guiliani's Mae West impersonation is one of the finest ones out there.
I like Maher, but I think he's playing into the NeoCons' hands with the "splitting Iraq up" strategy. After America has occupied that country for as long as they need, I believe the NeoCons will promote the 3 nation solution as the only way to "peace". It's of course "divide and conquer" strategy in its purest form, and will make it easy for the well known "American interests" (the interest of corporations with looser and looser ties to their original homeland) to control the markets and get a long time foothold.
Also, it's a perfect example of the American arrogance that even sensible guys like Maher inhabits. The American nation is responsible for destroying that nation now, and now they think they have the grand view of things to decide where borders should go? That's wrong on too many levels, but I'm afraid Americans don't see it that way. They are however use to the idea of themselves shaping the world in their own image. And if the local populations disagree, it's because they are "barbarians" and/or "uncivilized".
ysbaddaden @ 23:
agreed.
the comment with my screen name isn't even close to what I typed in.
Oh well
I appreciate Maher's efforts to get the word out about Guiliani's cross-dressing, the issue is supposed to be the hypocrisy, not the cross-dressing itself. So at some point Maher should make that clear, instead of just making it look like cross-dressing automatically disqualifies someone from office. Why shouldn't a transvestite be president? RuPaul would make a lot better president than basically any Republican (she's joked, if president, she'd paint the White House pink.) If believing cross-dressing should be a non-issue makes me part of the "looney far-left", I'll be happy to stand with Dr. King in believing people should be judged by the content of their character.
Bill O must be on valium or he simply knows when he's out-gunned.
Cross-dressing has never disqualified someone as a candidate.
I say Rudy should wear a dress until the `08 election! I mean, why not? His answers are much "crazier" than his wearing a dress!
Bill was being "funny", but I'm serious.
Johnny @ 53:
Giuliani's cross-dressing is a parody, and a grotesque one. It is not a transgender issue, you are absolutely right, the issue is hypocrisy, as in PRM (Phony Republican Morality)....b.t.w., this clip is quite dangerous- it makes O'Reilly seems like an opinionated, um, gentleman...
Actually... that sounds odd. Let me try it again.
Cross dressing can be fun at times, it truly isn't "crazy", but Rudy's answers to the many pressing questions facing our nation are...
Better?
Awful Falafel slipped up and spoke the truth!
"There will be no accountability for this President."
Maybe BillO lies because the truth hurts.
Bill-O's myopic and aging audience were upset that O'Reilly didn't challenge Maher's "anti-dubyah comments". How come his audience is never concerned about Bill-O's anti-Democratic Party comments?
Bill Oreilly, Moron At Large.
American nation is responsible for destroying that nation now, and now they think they have the grand view of things to decide where borders should go? That’s wrong on too many levels
How true!
Immediate withdrawal is viable. Why? Because the US government is only there for oil. Period. If they choose to have our men and women in uniform stay and "fix" what their commander "broke" it will never lead to a stable middle east, it will only lead to the ultimate goal of control over the middle east and then the world and I for one do not smile upon a one world government.
BillO was surprisingly civilized with BillM.
I had to laugh when BillO claimed BillM could say whatever he wanted because 'we support free speech'. As long as you're not a left wing loon of course ( which basically means everybody left of Coulter ).
What a toad. (BillO)
Pretty amazing that so many comics have a better idea of what middle America is thinking than any political candidate yet. Or perhaps the comics just aren't afraid to speak out.
So many of us wish we could kick this total administration out of office today, but what we have left isn't that much better. I could care less what sexual habits a candidate has if they were just for taking care of America instead of selling us out to the highest bidder.
To BillO every democrat is a left wing loon, their's no in between. He needs to be called on that one every time. That's just silly. Maher caught him right away in a lie about Huffington on his show. Didn't take long. I'm surpirsed Maher let BillO talk over him so many times. Nornmaly he doesn't. And what's wrong with going to the Playboy mansion anyway? The vast majority of american males would do that in a heartbeat. That was quite a weak attack by BillO. He's used to those weak guests so Maher got the soft treatment. Can't wait for the new season friday of "Real Time", I sure missed it.
Bill Mahar had sex with Ann Coulter. That says it all about him. IMO he plays to both sides just for laughs.
veritas @ 15:
I've been a registered republican since I was 18. Unfortunately you have to choose one or the other to vote in primaries, so I decided on Republican so that I could vote AGAINST the worst republican. And that was back before they became as creepy and militant as they are today. I'm still happy with my choice.
elsie @ 64:
Mahar is gay?
Sorry, the vids will be working really soon..I think the windows version is OK
celsius @ 51:
I think that the peoples of Iraq prefer a 3 nation situation, with shared oil revenues. That's a difficult political goal, but one that the US can only advise on, not implement on their own.
I am right there in agreement with Bill Maher. If I were to be invited to the Playboy Mansion, I would Definitely GO AS A MAN.
I don't know about crossdressers, but my TV's ticked.
Hey Bill, Arianna is a straight shooter. Her blog is so successful that she has to keep a loon like you out.
Are you jealous that you cannot play with her using your falafel.
In that clip, Bill Maher FLAWLESSLY executed the talk-show guest equivalent of the classic hockey-fight tactic of pulling the opponent's jersey over his head, and pummeling him mercilessly until stopped by the referee.
The perfect form, the perfect execution. That was no highlight film, that was a training film!!
why does anyone go on fuckface mcgee's show? you know he's either going to cut your mic or try to railroad your ass into submitting to his asinine irrational bullshit. what's the point? why anyone would take a moron who's claim to fame is inside edition seriously is beyond me.
I like Bill Maher. He, though I have to say, is not too bright. His passion is in the right place but it seems when he gets into talking specifics he is lost.
You can tell that maher is just........bracing himself. He know the kind of idiot that O'rly is and he doesn't want to play his game.
It's like putting and MIT graduate in the room with a high school drop-out and trying to discuss high level math.
It's a great example of how pathetic the right wing has become and their talking points.
First Billo clip I have watched from start to finish.
Bill Low Lielly is SUCH a hack!
"...no accountability for this president..."
"I think you're out of your mind!" re Maher's comments about John Edwards.
"If he wants to wear stockings, fine!" re Rudy the cross-dresser.
I think Maher had an authoritarian mother and just to compensate they become gays.
LOL
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Sometimes I feel sorry for Billo. He's such an aggressively, woefully, stupid man.
I love Bill Maher. It was funny to watch him laugh and shake his head every time Billo cut him off.
EZ @ 78:
You think Maher's gay? Ooooookay. Oh yeah, I forgot that LOTS of gay men hang out at the PLAYBOY MANSION.
I most enjoyed O'Reilly trying to tag Edwards as far-left extremist with Maher correcting him. Many of the positions O'Reilly cited were very mainstream, with majority approval. But O'Reilly's boogeyman smears are about all he's got (and yelling angrily over his guests).
QT link is working now...
Dr. Matt @ 19:
Are either of these points really worth discussing? Yeesh.
fluorophore @ 84:
Apparently so since you had to comment on them.
Batocchio @ 82:
And yet O'Reilly's truncated intellect still can't figure out why Mr. Edwards will not appear on faux again.
"cut and Run" "left wing loons" "Rudy only cross dressed on SNL".
Man this spinning dipshit sure seems to be working pretty hard for Bush and his crew considering he's a "middle of the road" guy.
What a putz!
Bill O' was a draft dodger. Here you have a guy who played football in college and was a semi-pro baseball player. Why don't people like Maher ask him about his chickenhawk background?
Bill O' is a wimp and coward.
I love how O'Reilly can't ever acknowledge this administration's egregious clusterf**king.
O'Shilly.
Maher made O'Lielly look dumb, as usual. By the way, who does O'Lielly support for President? He probably voted for Bush twice, if he voted at all. His buddy Hannity is raising money for Rudy, so O'Lielly should fess up.
Also, O'Lielly doesn't like Edwards because he was one of the first candidates to say he wouldn't appear at any Faux News Debates.
EconAtheist @ 89:
That's odd considering he said in 2003 if there were no WMDs in Iraq he wouldn't trust the adminstration again. I guess that was a lie.
what was bill saying at the end there? there was cross talk but didn't he say something like "who cares if he (rudi) wants to (mumble) wear (?)" did he say hose?
so is billo ok with cross dressing...he's probably look as good as rudi all dolled up.
not that there's anything wrong with crossdressing but isn't this the party that attacks others who play dress up.
Chris from Ohio @ 40:
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i'm with you...not that i'm calling him a sick puppy but men who are not crossdressers do not wear dresses unless it's halloween, and then if it's every year ppl will wonder (or maybe know:)
veritas @ 14:
How delusional must one be to even consider running as a Republican in '08?
We've seen the consequences. But then, consequences don't apply to powerful goons such as yourself.
Batocchio @ 82:
Well said! I think the right-wingers are more afraid of Edwards than they are Hillary because he is running a populist campaign on issues that have support by a majority of Americans. They all hype Hillary's lead because they want to run against her, using her as a lightening rod to mobilize their base.
I was only surpirsed that Bill didn't ask Bill why vermont refuses to pass Megan's Law.
Bill O'Reilly can shout all he wants but I'll never forget the time when his teeth fell out in the middle of a rant.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, read the story: http://beginnorth.com/blog/2007/08/14/bill-o%e2%80%99reilly%e2%80%99s-te...
p.s. I LOVE YOU BILL MAHER!
to Rasputin, you are correct sir!
i'd also like for everyone to note how the media is pushing hillary and obama (like they did with kerry) as THE front runners and usually don't even mention the other candidates. they think they are the ones the republicans can beat so they are the ones to back.
im sorry....but maher playing nice nice with lufa boy makes me wanna puke
and again maher shows himself ignorant on issues
"young people dont vote"....well bill, in the last two elections, young people came out in record numbers.
this guy just doesnt do his homework
BillO is such a total dumbass!!
Maher was OK I guess, but it wasn't worth having to listen to Loofah Boy bloviate. That pig really, really disgusts me. God, he makes me want to PUKE!
Whatever possessed Maher to show up on that sleazeball's show anyway?
bernarda @ 88:
Aw c'mon. What do you mean. As Bill says himself: "i've seen combat".
me @ 102:
Maher's promoting his show, that's what. Albeit shamelessly promoting it by being on this asshole's show...
Bill O' is so jealous that he cannot get invited to the Playboy Mansion. I bet he would commit an act of treason to get a blow job at the Playboy Mansion.
That is a major difference between Dem's and Repub's. Dem's get it for nothing, Repub's have to pay for it because they are clueless on how to deal with a woman. Submissiveness is not the way.
[...] Maher, host of HBO’s popular Real Time with Bill Maher, appeared on The O’Reilly Factor to discuss the September 11 testimony of General David Petreaus and [...]
"Crossed Dressing = Going to the Playboy mansion??!!? Jebus, no wonder the reich-wingers are morally bankrupt scum if they think cross dressing is no different than going to the playboy mansion. You f**king loons."
um... at the risk of sounding like I'm defending O'Reilly here, you have confused me. If this is a criticism of O'Reilly, as it would seem to be given the "reich-wingers" thing, then you would apparently be saying that he is silly in thinking something as tame as going to the mansion would be as bad as cross-dressing. I mean, that's how that form of argument or criticism is usually used - implying that people are silly for thinking one thing is as bad as another and therefore makes for a snappy comeback.
But how does that work here? A person might argue that the playboy thing is immoral in some sense, degrading women or something. But how in any sane and rational worldview could crossdressing be considered in any way immoral? Silly yes, immoral no. So what exactly are you saying? O'Reilly's comment was stupid, but it was comparing stupid to stupid, not moral to immoral.
Not that I want to pick nits or anything.
me @ 102:
Bill doesn't believe that the solution to handling these clowns is to avoid them. He has the confidence and the brains to confront them on any issue.
Since BillO can't laugh at anything that Dennis Miller says he has to bring on Maher even though he makes BillO look like an idiot. What a person would do for a laugh.
I spent hours on the floor trying to pick myself up off the ground from laughing so damn hard on Mahr's zinger when "OReally" said, "You're not a knee jerk kind of a guy, right?"
Mahr: " Oh no,no, no...I'm much higher up with my jerk".
Absolutely hilarious. Too freakin funny. We gotta get him, Colbert and Jon Stewart together and let that trio host the next Washington Press Club dinner. Shit won't be so comfortable for most elected officials present, but the pay per view gate will be huge! LOL.
O'Reilly calling other people "loons"? Now THAT's funny! :lol:
BillO knows that Maher is one of the few people who can come onto his "no-spin zone" and make him look like a total jackass, which isn't hard in the harsh light of reality, but in the shaded cave of his own show, is much harder, so oRally tiptoes around him to avoid pissing him off.
In other words, Bill Maher can go beard the lion in his own den, the lion in this case being oRally as Scar, a sickly coward of a lion who is only at home around his own sycophants.
elsie @ 64:
He goes on Billo's show to increase both of their ratings...nothing else.
Bill O'Reilly is such a f_ _ _ ing asshole.
to call out the republican candidates' mormonism and occasional transvestitism is a bit crass. if the same levity was voiced against homosexual or jewish (or arabic) candidates, we would be howling. especially upsetting is how it's now ok to make fun of mormons in a way that just would not fly were it against members of other minority religions.
O'Reilly is so smarmy and such a phony propagandist that it boggles the mind. Maher did a very nice job countering him which was nice to see. I love it when he said Edwards was a radical lefty because he wants to raise taxes on the rich, cut corporate welfare and have universal health care and Maher said those aren't radical left policy ideas. Exactly right Maher, exactly right.
You know, if Rudy wants to cross dress, that's fine, far be it for me to hate him because of his sexual preference, particularly when there are so many better reasons to hate that phony, fear mongering, crook!
straight shooter @ 52:
It isn't close because I'm "big" Straight Shooter and you're "little" straight shooter, that's why. :)
[...] Maher on the Factor does it again, as quoted on Crooks and Liars. Although frankly, I thought this was a quip about an upcoming [...]
Billo is becoming more and more like the right wing loon Wally George.
Maher is a bigot. He basically said that Romney is an unqualified candidate because he's Mormon. Talk about being hypocritically xenophobic. Never mind what Romney's politics are, we should just ignore him because he is a Mormon. Nice Bill, very open-minded, accepting, and liberal of you.
What are you people smoking? Maher has no answers; he only complains. Anyone can bitch; be a man and more importantly, be a leader by offering some solutions! And Edwards is the most electable candidate? Please! Hillary and Obama's people would disagree I think. - There are thinkers and feelers in the world. One party represents the thinkers and the other party represents the feelers who respond with knee jerk reactions, and whose candidates offer feel good statements but never any plans or specifics. It is easy to be against everything, but what are you for? And specifically what would you do differently? For once, suppress your emotions and use your ability to reason. Lives at stake! There are consequences to having a poorly informed electorate that lives on sound bites and emotional responses, and who doesn't take the time to carefully analyze current events.
Bill v. Bill (O'Reilly
O'Reilly: [A]re anybody on the right, on the Republican side, appealing to you, Bill Maher?Maher: They're appealing to me as a comedian---O'Reilly: OK. But you wouldn't vote for them unless hell froze over.Maher: ...I would like to see the cross-dr...
joe @ 30:
Maher, who once called Ron Paul his hero, got so much shit from his audience over that (because Ron Paul is anti-abortion or something) has now totally forgotten who Ron Paul is. Maher was whipped back into shape and only supports Democrats. If Ron Paul were really his hero, would he be pining for the cross dresser and mormon to run in the general election?
Ryan @ 122:
Maher probably doesn't even care. It's called needling since it's a sore point within the GOP.
Both of these dirt bags are equally media spinners. Forget the left/right paradigm. It's all a lie. There are more than two ways to run a country. "Liberals" are just as retarded as "Republicans" and it's freaking sick to listen to them banter like little fanboys over whose team is better while WAR and ECONOMIC RUIN destroy the nation we were given.
Our forefathers earned it. They gave it to us, and we took it for granted.
Vote Ron Paul 2008. Sure, he's a "republican", but he's far more progressive than anyone on the left. And the only presidential candidate except for maybe Mike Gravel (who... um... lacks charisma and tact) and Dennis Kucininch. I would love to see Ron Paul vs Dennis Kucininch. I'd call that a win-win election!
celsius @ 51:
If you want to be quite technical about it, splitting Iraq wouldn't be "destroying" a nation. Iraq didn't exist until after World War I. Britain spent years creating a new country out of 3 administrative territories formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire. (For the morbidly curious, that would Basra, Baghdad, and Mosul.) Instead of continuing to attempt to force people with such extreme differences to tolerate each other, why not let them go their separate ways, with separate governments able to respond to their needs?
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