Daily Show: How Closely Does Iraq Resemble Indiana?

tds-riggle-indiana.jpg Daily Show correspondent (and Marine reservist) Rob Riggle reports from Baghdad and asks American soldiers what they think about Rep. Mike Pence's bone-headed comparison of Baghdad to "any open-air market in Indiana in the summertime."

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I think it's incredibly healthy for a society when "fake" news programs become real and "real" news programs become fake.

At least this way, we get to laugh at the things that are destroying our entire planet, instead of, you know, actually rising up and gathering in the nation's capital en masse, by the millions, in order to effectuate true, peaceful change in the workings of the world. Maybe this is because we'd rather die with smiles on our faces, not frowns.

Not only do we get to do what we're told, we get to do what we're sold. We're Americans - we are pros at playing the part of the mindless consumer. It's what we've been conditioned to do for over a century now, so why shouldn't we be good at it?

Yep, I could hardly tell Iraq apart from our local mall. Hey, was that filmed at our local mall?

I think Graham, Lieberman and Pence need to spend more time over there if they really want to enjoy the local ambiance. I bet you can get the rugs even cheaper after the vendor's stall has been blown all to hell.

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Humor is about the only thing keeping many of us sane right now.

Dark Comedy at its best: sad and funny at the same time.

Bring 'em home. Now.

If Iraq is like Indiana why don't we send troops there?

pissed off patricia @ 5:

Humor is about the only thing keeping many of us sane right now.

Are you calling us sane now? I'm not sane anymore - for the last 7 years. ;)

At least this way, we get to laugh at the things that are destroying our entire planet, instead of, you know, actually rising up and gathering in the nation’s capital en masse,

Plus we can sit at our computers and write snarky posts!!

ralph @ 7:

If Iraq is like Indiana why don't we send troops there?

It's too close to DC.

Check it out!! Just last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHz4a_sgqCg

wonder if the soldiers are even allowed to see these clips?

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Sorry, I think this "reporting from Iraq" thing is still a bad idea. I get the point they're trying to make in the piece -- but does he really have to be there? Somehow, the fact that Rob Riggle is actually there -- for me -- takes the fun out of the shtick. It's a bit too close to the daily tragedy that is going on there.

It's like going to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and doing a shtick there.
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...to add, it's like they're using Iraq to get ratings. Again, there is no other reason that he has to actually be there to do his shtick -- at least from what I see.

(And I love the Daily Show -- I'm no troll).
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Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 2:

I think it's incredibly healthy for a society when "fake" news programs become real and "real" news programs become fake.

At least this way, we get to laugh at the things that are destroying our entire planet, instead of, you know, actually rising up and gathering in the nation's capital en masse, by the millions, in order to effectuate true, peaceful change in the workings of the world. ?

I don't think that millions of people marching onto the capital, especially a capital ruled by bloodthirsty people, would result in anything approaching "peace".

Tony Snow:

I guess we'll never know the answer to your hypothesis until/unless we give that a try.

"All we are saying, is give peace a chance."

Sending Riggle to Bahgad was a brilliant move. Send a fake reporter on a parody news program (that presents more truthful reporting than real news programs!) to a war that's a fraud!

Priceless.

Tony Snow @ 15:

Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 2:

I think it's incredibly healthy for a society when "fake" news programs become real and "real" news programs become fake.

At least this way, we get to laugh at the things that are destroying our entire planet, instead of, you know, actually rising up and gathering in the nation's capital en masse, by the millions, in order to effectuate true, peaceful change in the workings of the world. ?

I don't think that millions of people marching onto the capital, especially a capital ruled by bloodthirsty people, would result in anything approaching "peace".

That's what THEY want you to believe. Cynicism is encouraged by the corporate elite. And I think Orwell... makes a good point. Millions of Americans will laugh at the situation but when it comes to doing something about it....

Remember that Rob Riggle is part of the USO tour. So the Daily Show stuff is a sideline for him, while he is there.

This is for the troops, more than it is for the Daily Show viewers.

I had mixed feelings about this.
Did Riggle entertain the troops while he was there? I presume he's a comedian/actor. Was this for his resume? Or were they exploited for our humor?

theWalrus @ 17:

Sending Riggle to Bahgad was a brilliant move. Send a fake reporter on a parody news program (that presents more truthful reporting than real news programs!) to a war that's a fraud!

Priceless.

Yeah...yeah....we get it. But again, other than entertaining the troops -- He doesn't need to be there. He could have done any of these shticks from the studio. But doing it from an actual blood zone -- that's bizarre.
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Weaseldog @ 19:

Remember that Rob Riggle is part of the USO tour. So the Daily Show stuff is a sideline for him, while he is there.

This is for the troops, more than it is for the Daily Show viewers.

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

The troops in the shots probably enjoyed the diversion if just for a few minutes.

Slightly off-topic... I've been worrying over the convergence of events in Iraq. Bush's speech about killing fields, the upcoming coup, the real probability that we'll install a violent dictator... I think the speech was meant set off Republican talking points, for when the killing fields are repeated in Iraq.

We may soon be looking back at events like the Daily Show in Iraq, as the good old days.

The Republicans are wonderful straight men (that includes the ones who aren't straight).

So Al Franken shouldn't entertain troops in a "blood zone"?

STOP George @ 14:

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...to add, it's like they're using Iraq to get ratings. Again, there is no other reason that he has to actually be there to do his shtick -- at least from what I see.

(And I love the Daily Show -- I'm no troll).
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There is no denying that the show will get some extra attention due to these segments I think you are looking at this from a narrow lense. It's my understanding that Mr. Riggle is there as part of a USO type show. He's there with other comedians and entertainers. Why not ALSO report back to the Daily show while he's there? I think it's an incredible opportunity for us to see our service men and women as people and not some nebulous number "over there".

Humor, like it or not, cuts through a lot of bullpucky and any opportunity to see the feet on the ground as humans and not just the top brass who toe the party line is, IMHO, a very good thing.

hadenuf @ 26:

So Al Franken shouldn't entertain troops in a "blood zone"?

Al Franken doesn't do shticks for T.V. from Iraq.

Hey -- I'm all for entertaining the troops, but it's just kinda weird that he's doing this for cable-viewers at home as well.
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Barbana @ 27:

STOP George @ 14:

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...to add, it's like they're using Iraq to get ratings. Again, there is no other reason that he has to actually be there to do his shtick -- at least from what I see.

(And I love the Daily Show -- I'm no troll).
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There is no denying that the show will get some extra attention due to these segments I think you are looking at this from a narrow lense. It's my understanding that Mr. Riggle is there as part of a USO type show. He's there with other comedians and entertainers. Why not ALSO report back to the Daily show while he's there? I think it's an incredible opportunity for us to see our service men and women as people and not some nebulous number "over there".

Humor, like it or not, cuts through a lot of bullpucky and any opportunity to see the feet on the ground as humans and not just the top brass who toe the party line is, IMHO, a very good thing.

ok. But I still think it's weird. To each his/her own.

Bottom line: We live in the misery our Elite creates, then they provide us with ways to laugh at our misery, thereby relieving us of our desire to do something about our misery.

Baaah. Baaaaaah. Baaaah.

STOP George @ 18:

Tony Snow @ 15:

Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 2:

I think it's incredibly healthy for a society when "fake" news programs become real and "real" news programs become fake.

At least this way, we get to laugh at the things that are destroying our entire planet, instead of, you know, actually rising up and gathering in the nation's capital en masse, by the millions, in order to effectuate true, peaceful change in the workings of the world. ?

I don't think that millions of people marching onto the capital, especially a capital ruled by bloodthirsty people, would result in anything approaching "peace".

That's what THEY want you to believe. Cynicism is encouraged by the corporate elite. And I think Orwell... makes a good point. Millions of Americans will laugh at the situation but when it comes to doing something about it....

Wait, you seriously don't believe violence could erupt if millions of people marched onto the Capitol? Haven't you ever heard of Bloody Sunday of Russia? Tiananmen Square?

"If Iraq is like Indiana why don’t we send troops there?"

Because "Peace in the Midwest" just isn't as good of a campaign slogan.

Plus, our dictator is friendly with the Bush Administration (former budget director for W's OMB, I believe).

Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 30:

Bottom line: We live in the misery our Elite creates, then they provide us with ways to laugh at our misery, thereby relieving us of our desire to do something about our misery.

Baaah. Baaaaaah. Baaaah.

People laughed in the concentration camps. Read Viktor Frankl.

I can't think of a good reason for Riggle to not be there. Watching him show the frustration and holding politicians up to ridicule tripped a synapse. Not really in a bad way, but more of a this-is-very-surreal-and-we-would've-never-expected-the-world-to-look-like-this-8-years-ago way.
At least TDS, unlike the "real" news, actually sent someone with a military background.
Dildoes with balls attached.

Is there an assload of oil in Indiana?

gods bless the troops. Their deadpan responses made for some great comedy. I hope this visit by Riggle took their minds off their horrific jobs, at least for a short time.

E @ 35:

Is there an assload of oil in Indiana?

Only the kind that Hardee's uses for their freedom fries.

hadenuf @ 20:

I had mixed feelings about this.
Did Riggle entertain the troops while he was there? I presume he's a comedian/actor. Was this for his resume? Or were they exploited for our humor?


Riggle was interviewed on NPR yesterday about this. He's a reserve marine. He was there as part of the USO tour, and the stuff done for the Daily Show was an afterthought. He was curious to talk to other soldiers to find out if what Pence had said (about Iraq being like Indiana) had made any impact on the soldiers from Indiana. It was for them to vent. And they were aware of Pence's comments and the stupidity of them, clearly.

He said he deliberately stayed away from any pro-Bush/con-Bush bits because he thought it was inappropriate under the circumstances. He just wanted to highlight the troops and what their actual daily lives and thoughts about them were like. He purposely often became the butt of his own jokes. And like all USO acts, his goal was to give the soldiers a diversion from the reality that they might die at any time--something he said they are all very well aware of and grateful to have momentarily lampooned. Sometimes laughing at your all-to-real circumstances is better than dwelling on them. Their comments, not mine.

From *his* comments, my sense is the soldiers do see the Daily Show and do know that he is someone who could, himself, be called to Iraq at any time. He has served in both Kosovo and Afghanistan.

Yellow Elephant Safari @ 37:

E @ 35:

Is there an assload of oil in Indiana?

Only the kind that Hardee's uses for their freedom fries.

Well goddamn! That's some good diesel fuel right there! Invade Indiana!!!

RobertD @ 38:

hadenuf @ 20:

I had mixed feelings about this.
Did Riggle entertain the troops while he was there? I presume he's a comedian/actor. Was this for his resume? Or were they exploited for our humor?


Riggle was interviewed on NPR yesterday about this. He's a reserve marine. He was there as part of the USO tour, and the stuff done for the Daily Show was an afterthought. He was curious to talk to other soldiers to find out if what Pence had said (about Iraq being like Indiana) had made any impact on the soldiers from Indiana. It was for them to vent. And they were aware of Pence's comments and the stupidity of them, clearly.

He said he deliberately stayed away from any pro-Bush/con-Bush bits because he thought it was inappropriate under the circumstances. He just wanted to highlight the troops and what their actual daily lives and thoughts about them were like. He purposely often became the butt of his own jokes. And like all USO acts, his goal was to give the soldiers a diversion from the reality that they might die at any time--something he said they are all very well aware of and grateful to have momentarily lampooned. Sometimes laughing at your all-to-real circumstances is better than dwelling on them. Their comments, not mine.

From *his* comments, my sense is the soldiers do see the Daily Show and do know that he is someone who could, himself, be called to Iraq at any time. He has served in both Kosovo and Afghanistan.

The part in bold is an important point. He's "embedded" -- like the corporate media. No difference in these pieces. So he's a "diversion"? Why then does he need the T.V. camera? Entertain the troops...fine. But if you're going to water-down the truth and get ratings for simply "being in Iraq" -- then I think that goes against what the Daily Show is all about. This "diversionary" thing is an excuse (for the T.V. bits), in my opinion.

E @ 35:

Is there an assload of oil in Indiana?

Not anymore.

But it is full of hateful angry religous fanatics. And a governor that is a Dubya wannabe.

Lots of flies?

STOP George @ 28:

hadenuf @ 26:

So Al Franken shouldn't entertain troops in a "blood zone"?

Al Franken doesn't do shticks for T.V. from Iraq.

Hey -- I'm all for entertaining the troops, but it's just kinda weird that he's doing this for cable-viewers at home as well.
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I hear tell Brother Al brings down the house when he does his rendition of Oops I Did It Again, in translucent tube to top and glitter cheek shorts.

Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 16:

Tony Snow:

I guess we'll never know the answer to your hypothesis until/unless we give that a try.

"All we are saying, is give peace a chance."

Kind of like the guy with the kidney stone singing Give Pee a Chance.

Unfortunately for booshco peace is only the pause between conflicts to allow for reloading.

ralph @ 7:

If Iraq is like Indiana why don't we send troops there?

they are sending troops here to indiana why just last night one of our home town boys came back ,their were flags being waved people screeming , pats on the backs by members of the vfw the ameican legion wore thier piss cutter hats ladden with gold shit from other wars , headlines in the paper this morning , evansvill hero comes home , and a parade led the way for the flag drapped coffin , im sure the kid would have been proud , as god is my wittness americans are such fools!

STOP George @ 40:

RobertD @ 38:

hadenuf @ 20:

I had mixed feelings about this.
Did Riggle entertain the troops while he was there? I presume he's a comedian/actor. Was this for his resume? Or were they exploited for our humor?


Riggle was interviewed on NPR yesterday about this. He's a reserve marine. He was there as part of the USO tour, and the stuff done for the Daily Show was an afterthought. He was curious to talk to other soldiers to find out if what Pence had said (about Iraq being like Indiana) had made any impact on the soldiers from Indiana. It was for them to vent. And they were aware of Pence's comments and the stupidity of them, clearly.

He said he deliberately stayed away from any pro-Bush/con-Bush bits because he thought it was inappropriate under the circumstances. He just wanted to highlight the troops and what their actual daily lives and thoughts about them were like. He purposely often became the butt of his own jokes. And like all USO acts, his goal was to give the soldiers a diversion from the reality that they might die at any time--something he said they are all very well aware of and grateful to have momentarily lampooned. Sometimes laughing at your all-to-real circumstances is better than dwelling on them. Their comments, not mine.

From *his* comments, my sense is the soldiers do see the Daily Show and do know that he is someone who could, himself, be called to Iraq at any time. He has served in both Kosovo and Afghanistan.


The part in bold is an important point. He's "embedded" -- like the corporate media. No difference in these pieces. So he's a "diversion"? Why then does he need the T.V. camera? Entertain the troops...fine. But if you're going to water-down the truth and get ratings for simply "being in Iraq" -- then I think that goes against what the Daily Show is all about. This "diversionary" thing is an excuse (for the T.V. bits), in my opinion.

This is satire. There are cameras to record it...sort of like when we'd prefer to have people testify before Congress with an official record kept. The Daily Show is trying to make a point to us at home--the soldiers were willing to help Riggle do that and got, perhaps, a little bit of humor out of it in return.

So maybe the part in bold is the important point.

Well, Jon does say that sometimes all he has to do is show pre-existing clips of the news as is and make funny faces at it. How is this different? By having Riggle in Iraq under nearly exactly the same circumstances as the bozos from Congress has equated all those politicos up-beat reports to those of a fake comedy show, possibly done against a green-screen. Listen to Jon's intro in this clip - the whole Asif/Riggle thing on day one, they're aware of it.

Anyone from the TDS-If you happen to read this, thank Major Riggle for me. I never got sent to the sandbox, but have many brothers and sisters that are either there now, or have been during the course of this war.

Thank you for for providing an outlet for the troops to lampoon Pence and the rest of the bastards that promote rather than fight this war. Maybe this message will get to more of the non'ers that actually support this bullshit escapade. Let's bring them all back before one more human being is sacrificed upon the altar of this administration's greed and avarice.

Respectfully,
"FATSO"
USAF 99-05

Having lived in Indiana, I'm confident in pointing out the main difference between a market in Indiana and one in Baghdad: average IQ.

If Riggle routinely goes to Iraq with the USO, why not have him doing reports from there? If I was a family member of one of these troops, I'd be thrilled for any opportunity to see my loved one even if it was only on a tv screen. Plus this probably attracted an audience that may not otherwise watch TDS and, since most of us here agree that this show is more informative than MSM news, what's not to like about that?

Doing USO is always a labor of love.

I can hear it now, promoters of the war will point out that it was safe enough for a Daily Show crew to go out there. They'll use any excuse these days to try to put lipstick on that pig.

Riggle rocks

Republicans like Pence just think and talk like fools. Anybody that has any common sense knows that Iraq is a meat grinder, a quagmire, a grizzly nightmare. Pence and Graham just showed the world what f**king idiots they are. Hopefully, their rivals in the next election repeat their idiotic statements in the tv ads. Surely their are some intelligent people in Indiana and N. Carolina.(or is it S. Carolina?)

Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 30:

Bottom line: We live in the misery our Elite creates, then they provide us with ways to laugh at our misery, thereby relieving us of our desire to do something about our misery.

Baaah. Baaaaaah. Baaaah.

Too simplistic. Throughout most of human history, the "elite" did not provide any ways to laugh at "misery". Nor is humor intended to keep the elite in power. There are plenty of other ways to maintain a regime. For example, next time you're in Zimbabwe, check out all of the ways to laugh at misery that the Mugabe regime offers.

hadenuf @ 20:

I had mixed feelings about this.
Did Riggle entertain the troops while he was there? I presume he's a comedian/actor. Was this for his resume? Or were they exploited for our humor?

Hey, lighten up. It's called satire. An excellent way to bring a topic to light. Who's exploiting the men and women? The Daily Show, or this administration? I'll bet the G.I.'s love the distraction and they get to be on TV.

PS He'd better not be thinking of opening his dildo shop in Alabama. (See yesterday's clips: guns vs. Hello Kitty vibrator.)

re: STOP GEORGE at #39

I agree. Makes me uncomfortable to see these bits that are supposed to be funny if you are anti-war.

We want the war stopped. And everyday, some of these troops die and everyday Iraqis get blown up, shot and killed. Sometimes by us, sometimes by al qaeda, sometimes by their countrymen.

I doubt if anyone at TDS is pro-war, but to be embedded is to make the bits more friendly to those who support the war, and there is no way to laugh with pro-war people when there is this much death and human misery on the line.

Just my humble o.

Was this the one where he acts like Forrest Gump and starts talking about dildo's....ye got yer latex dildo's and yer black dildo's and yer white dildo's and yer pink dildos and yer soft dildo's and yer hard dildo's and yer looong dildo's and yer fat dildo's and yer battery operated dildo's and yer manual dildo's lets see....well....I'm gettin a little tired now.....I think I'll go home now....

that was fuckin hillarious..........REALLY......still LOL

ya know yer fucked when ya can't laugh at yerself...............

mudshark @ 57:

Was this the one where he acts like Forrest Gump and starts talking about dildo's....ye got yer latex dildo's and yer black dildo's and yer white dildo's and yer pink dildos and yer soft dildo's and yer hard dildo's and yer looong dildo's and yer fat dildo's and yer battery operated dildo's and yer manual dildo's lets see....well....I'm gettin a little tired now.....I think I'll go home now....

sorry...I forgot the double ended dildo.....meanwhile.......back at the ranch in Crawford.......

Simultaneously one of the funniest comedy bits and best pieces of journalism Iraq and the craven politicians that support it.

Not one single "serious news" outlet did what the Daily Show did. Take the attempts by our pathetic politicians to mislead us about Iraq and contrast it directly with the troops and their experiences there.

What other major media source went and asked actual soldiers from Indiana what they thought of the "Indiana market" comments? None.

Daily Show scoops all the major media. And is wickedly funny in the bargain. Hear that MSM? You're getting beat at your own gig by a comedy show you pathetic hacks.

Thank God for the Daily Show.

I'm a born and bred Hoosier...and still live here in Indiana. I was offended and insulted by Rep. Mike Pence's asinine statement. Not all Hoosiers are Neocon/religious right/Bush fanatics.

I'm a big fan of the Daily Show, and a big fan of Rob Riggle. I was excited when he joined the DS cast.

He's segment on Iraq/Indiana was a work of art and did what I wished main street media had done; shown just how idiotic Mike Pence's statement really was!

Kudos to Rob Riggle for his work with the USO and his past service to this country. Kudos to the DS for the segments they did from Iraq. Not only was the Indiana segment funny and poignant but so was the one where American servicemen got to wish the Iraqi parliament a happy vacation.

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Oh, come on, everyone, cut our members of Congress a break. We're talking about our representatives and senators. When have they visited an open market or mall in the last few years unless it was for a campaign appearance?

To remind you, these are busy, energetic people, striving to improve America brick by brick by going to Iraq and proving how safe it is. Proving how safe Iraq is is as fundamental as holding free elections so the Iraqis can create their own government. Then, once that's done -- which, I believe is expected to happen in September -- they can rebuild the oil industry.

That should be done by January. After that, they'll use the proceeds from selling oil to hire Iraqi nationals to rebuild the schools, bridges and hospitals.

Just be patient. It's all about to happen. It's right around the corner. No, the other corner. You're looking at the wrong corner. No, don't look in the corner, look around the corner...wait, I thought it was this next corner...are we in a maze? I don't recognize any of these corners. Can someone help me? Hello? Is anyone there? Hellloooo?

The Daily Show mocks stupidity - if only the MSM would at least note it.

Didn't Mike Pence used to change tires in the pit at Indy?

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