Bush Ramps Up Iran Rhetoric, Warns of "Nuclear Holocaust"
By SilentPatriot Tuesday Aug 28, 2007 11:02am
Here's the video to Steve's post from yesterday. For those who may have missed it, in a speech before the American Legion yesterday, President Bush continued his rank fear mongering and made clear that he plans on confronting Iran regardless of what the American people or Congress have to say about it. Keith recaps the saber rattling and highlights the ever-moving Iraqi goalposts by juxtaposing what Bush said were the goals of the "surge" back in January with what he is saying today.
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And Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust. Iran's actions threaten the security of nations everywhere.
And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime, to impose economic sanctions. We will confront this danger before it is too late.
Unlike in 2002 or early 2003, this sort of crap doesn't fly anymore. President Bush simply has no credibility left. That is what happens when you spout lie after lie to a country that expects to hear the truth from it's leader. You have breached that trust, Mr. President, and it won't return to the office in which you currently reside until you are gone.
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Bush looks like he's surrounded by tentacles.
that maniac belongs in jail.
This time, I'm afraid that it really will take a mushroom cloud to convince us, Mr. President.
Typical war drum-beating, chicken-hawking asshole.
a region already known for instability and violence
Yeah, by your own hand.
Iran is about to pay dearly for Bush's low popularity.
I couldn't agree more, SP.
WTF should we listen to anything this guy has to say anymore?
if they really wanted to start a nuclear attack.. wouldn't starting with nuclear weapons would be more reasonable.. than making 4 planes fall from the sky?
Fool my once (with Iraq), shame on you. Fool me twice... fool me twice... won't get fooled again.
Ooooh, this is why Rove, Gonzo, and the rest are jumping overboard,..I think I got it now.
he's lost all credibility. the great dissembler.
He doesn't give a crap about what we think of his credibility.
Thats the really scary part.
Damn him!
My, my, a real life Don Quixote....
Paranoid Schizophrenics never run out of things to fear, or reasons to fear them.
I'm surprised he didn't conjure up 'The Voices' that he hears, to justify this position.
Take the keys to the war making machine away from Bush/Cheney. They will fuck it up, whether Iran needs to be hit or not. Let's wait for a reasonable, sane, and above all competent president in 2008 to deal with this.
Well...I have a serious question. I despise this president and disagree with 99% of what he says and does, but in this case I'm not so sure. It's to the point that I feel a twitch in my knee whenever he says something...I gotta disagree. On this issue, however, no. Ahmadinijad appears, to me, to be a religious zealot like Bush, who is bent on destruction. I do not think the world will be a safer place if this man gets nukes.
If I am wrong (and I hope I am) please, tell me why.
why won't someone that has the power arrest this criminal? there are so many in this country that can, and none do?
it shows you that law enforcement isn't authorized to do their jobs. the DOJ is a joke, and they have hindered the prosecution and defense of every case in this land for the last 7 years.
next person I hear that says equal justice under law, gets a big laugh from this old tree.
He didn't warn of a nuclear holocaust. He warned of a nukulur holocaust. I don't know why bloggers give him the benefit of the doubt. If he says nukulur, type nukulur.
What else would this simpleton be doing if he and everything he said weren't a recurring nightmare?
Nuclear holocaust? The hypocrisy has reached new limits.
Here's one country - with thousands of nuclear weapons. One country that has USED these weapons to kill a few hundred thousand in the past.....threatening a country that probably doesn't have any, and if they did, have no ability whatsoever to threaten the US.
But instead of talking about that, the media just promotes Bush's propaganda. Makes me sick.
That's my rant. Read on if you'd like:
"Speaking of Iran"
http://www.populistamerica.com/speaking_of_iran
WOLF....!!....WOLF..!!
The SKY IS FALLING!!!
IRAQ HAS WMD's...!!
T"HE END DAYS ARE "UPON US...!!
This man has lied and cried wolf so much nobody can take him serious (except of course the 26% ers).
Dr. Strangelove Cheney is really wanting to push this to the max with Iran.
This is more true: "The U.S.’s actions threaten the security of nations everywhere."
These guys are crazy fools. We've got to stop them.
Blah, blah, blah.
The whole world is bored of you now, little man.
i wouldn't trust Bush with my lunch money
Another "speech" in front of a cozy, loving crowd. Nice job Chimpy, way to take your message to the people.
Anyway, he tried this exact bullshit once before....and it worked.
Now, if the American people buy this crap one more time....they deserve all the negative ramifications that will result. Frankly, there's no hope for this country.
To paraphrase a wise man..."Fool me once, shame, uh, shame on me. Fool me twice, I uh, uh,...won't get fooled again."
Typical presidential bed wetting stuff. He'll kill us all.
anonymous @ 18:
I've read translations of his speeches, in which he bashes Bush, but it seems to me, to be tit-for-tat. He wouldn't even be in power if Bush hadn't started his saber rattling against Iran.
Where Bush is threatening to Bomb Iran, all Ahmadinijad is saying is, 'bring it on, we're ready.' not once has he threatened to invade Texas.
On an other note, the Russians seem to think that he's not developing nukes, and it is their engineers overseeing the program.
Now there's no reason to trust any of these sources, but likewise, Bush seems to lie about pretty much everything.
But to give you credit for thinking this way, consider the parable of the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf."
One last point, as Bush destroys America's military readiness, he works to improve the military readiness of Saudi Arabia, by selling them $20 billion in weapons. Why is that?
So, do the Dem candidates want war with Iran? If not why aren't they shouting it from the rooftops?
BushCo will stop at nothing to attack Iran. Crank up the volume on the terror pimpin, time to bomb Iran.
Now that China and Russia are allies with Iran, if Iran really wanted a nuke, couldn't they supply them with one?
Also why isn't chimpy pursuing China and Russia? Coward yellow-belly warmonger.
chimpy failed in two wars simultaneously, now he wants another.
NO CHIMP! NO MORE WARS!
LibertyLover @ 5:
Please don't say that. He can actually arrange that.
bush is never more animated ("alive") than when he's screaming hysterically for war. Anyone notice that? It's like a drug to him, and I truly believe he's addicted to war. Just as long as he doesn't have to actually fight in one or sacrifice anything himself.
►Runs-With-Dog◄ @ 23:
Bah! You hit Submit Comment quicker!
Bush just made it clear that he will act, no matter who disagrees. I guess those 'Generals on the Ground' don't matter anymore.
Weaseldog @ 16:
Another we don't want the smoking gun to be a nuclear mushroom?
boosh is a good example why dropping mushrooms in a college dorm ain't a good idea.
Dale @ 3:
To me it looks like bombs going off. They damn sure ain't halos.
We're not marching on Moscow until winter.
Weaseldog @ 29:
I agree, Russia would be very worried if they were developing Nukes, because they could be passed to the Chechen (sp) rebels or the Serbs, then Russia would be in danger.
burt @ 26:
He'd just get his buddy chainey to beat it out of you.
510 more days... 510 more days
* rocks back and forth *
The leader of Iran is a religious zealot and may be a madman. He shouldn't have nukes. The leader of the U.S.A. IS a madman, and a religious idealogue, and he shouldn't be trusted to have the reigns of power. Our national security is threatened because of the Bush administration first and foremost, and not because of Iran. Bush is a danger to us all.
Is boosh surrounded by the sphincters of jellyfish?
ysbaddaden @ 37:
Exactly. If he only smoked pot in college, he'd be trying to look for actual smoking guns rather than obsessing about mushrooms. :D
Funny how Saudi Arabia, from where almost all foreign fighters are coming from in Iraq, is never
ever mentioned...ever!
The quote is wholly inaccurate. The President did not once mention a "nuclear holocaust".
He said "nucular holocaust"
Get it right.
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I think he is to lame a duck to get us started in another war. If he did however, he would seal the fate of America for the next fifty years as the terrorist nation that the rest of the world will have to deal with.
This is typical of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney: At any time when the topic of IRAQ becomes hot, they start in with hostile rhetoric about Iran.
They then deflect some part of their IRAQ critics, temporarily away from trying to hold them accountable on IRAQ, by discussing Iran.
You've seen them do this dozens of times.
And right now, IRAQ is so hot to these guys, that it's white-hot...
Right now, they're just trying to survive the month of September, with their "surge" intact...
And if they find themselves with the American People dead-set against any more "surging", then they're fighting tooth and nail against any draw-down of U.S. Troops in IRAQ.
And so get ready for more nonsense about Iran over the next month.
The only thing that scares me is the fact that people listen to these evil, stupid people.
A lot of war buffs, love to re-enact all of the world's great military victories. How come we're led by one that wants to re-enact all of the world's great military defeats?
So let's get this straight.
If a group want more dead Muslims (a million dead Iraqis is not enough), then all they have to do is stage another big attack on USA?
Is it really that easy?
If we don't fight them there...and there...and there...and there...and don't forget there...and there...and there...hey, what's that?! over there...and there...and their...and thayre...and they're...and der...and there again...
And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime, to impose economic sanctions.
Geez, who have we not kicked in the nads?
Do we have friends and allies that will sacrifice their sons and daughters for us?
"And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world..."
We still have friends and allies after what we dragged them through in Iraq? They're better friends and allies than we could have hoped for. We ought stop fucking with them.
If he has no credibility left, would somebody please tell that to the people in Congress? Somehow, they haven't gotten the message.
Man, get a net for this loon before it's too late!!
Damn you Weaseldog! LOL
►Runs-With-Dog◄ @ 40:
I would say, Weaseldog, that the reason Bush sells 20 billion in arms to Saudi Arabia is that he expects SA to keep house in the area when they, and we, have set up new regimes in Iraq and Iran. (And no, I don't believe "we" can set up new regimes in either country, at least not stable ones.) Good points, all, and thank you and Runs-with-dog for responding.
The thing that worries me is that perhaps this is the reason that Rove and Fredo left. They couldn't talk him out of attacking Iran and they are heading for the hills! You have to admit that the Bush has never changed his mind about anything.
Gort @ 54:
I don't mind not fighting them there so long as they would have to cross one of our bridges to fight us here.
The CFR, Federal Reserve, and international bankers that are behind this idea are pushing hard while they can to get the IRAN war going. They will have their North American Union police state up and running by May 2008. There will be a staged terror attack on either Chicago, SF, or Los Angeles, after which there will be martial law and a full blown IRAN invasion. The Democrats are on board as well and are obviously not doing anything about getting this madman with a scientifically estimated 85 IQ out of office. They are controlled by the same masters that control the MSM and the REpubs. The only one's against it are Ron, Dennis, and Mike.
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anonymous @ 18:
because he has no delivery capabilitys to use a nuke , actually it takes poerful rockets desighned to hurl a nuke far enough to reach the good ol usa!
anonymous @ 18:
And the world is much safer with Chimpy...the alcoholic, religious freak, semi-literate, business failure, living in Daddy's shadow, cokehead....having his finger on the button???
I wish I could believe that. However, each time I think he can't possibly get away with the bizarre otherworldly things he suggests--he gets away with them. It is totally beyond my comprehension that he can be repeating his go-get-Iraq fantasies, aiming them this time at Iran, and there doesn't seem to be any way to stop him short of the troops refusing to carry out insane orders. Kafka, Orwell, Heinlein, H.G. Wells, and Jules Verne couldn't have written scenarios so incredibly grotesque even had they collaborated. The US is about to wage a global war OF terror--and I am terrified.
Let's stop calling him "Mr. President." Let's just call him "George." And let's stop calling it the "Iraq War" and call it "Bush's War."
We are being clearly run by a junta made up of the neocon leftovers and now the Military that is left and agrees with these mucks.
All the reasonable Military generals have been kicked out or pushed to retirement in the 7 years this administration has laid siege to them.. What we have left are the big time hawks ready to kick some ass and prove we are the toughest baddest military on the planet.
The world will rightly rise up against us.
The headline of this article is wrong. If it was Bush doing the warning, he was warning of a nukular holocaust, not a nuclear one. Damned liberal media!
tyree @ 65:
This is true, tyree. It is also true that he can create utter chaos in the area by threatening Israel and/or the more moderate countries.
tyree @ 65:
Of course, there's 160,000 Americans right next door.
Hey monkey boy STFU! If monkey boy makes ANY move on ANY other country he should be immediately impeached. He and his entire administration have zero credibility.
anonymous @ 71:
Well by all means let's not have utter chaos in the Middle East.
Let's see,,,,
2 or 3 battle groups in the Persian Gulf, military $ for Israel and Saudi Arabia, Iranian Revolutionary Guards proclaimed tuurrrsts, no one left in the White House except Satan, er, Cheney.....
Yup, that's it: war with Iran coming soon.
Bush doesn't give a shit what ANYONE thinks now, he's just stark ravin' mad.
I'll tell ya what - if he does attack Iran, I'm going to DC and bang on the White House gate. If we organize a group of hundreds of thousands, we can overpower the Secret Service and pull this loon out into public. Storm the gates!!
ckerst @ 73:
You're just jealous of him because your mother isn't a dead ringer for the father of our country.
.... "rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime"...
What friends and allies around the world?
Those friends and allies are most likely to rally to isolate his regime!
Bush is a very lonely man.
Using herr dubyah's "logic", Iran would be justified to preemptively attack America.
Dale @ 72:
There is one thing I do know. THIS president should not be the one dealing with the problem, if there is one. Iran is years away from develping the centrifuge capability for enough weapons grade uranium. We can afford to wait. Once the Dems are in office and the world is (maybe) willing to work with us again, and the U.N. is allowed to do the work it was created to do, we can solve this peacefully.
Rusty Shackleford @ 74:
That was glib and clever. But not particularly helpful.
anonymous @ 71:
moderate country? lebannon , palistine , oh yeah i cant say israels not moderate!
Bush authorized the US military in Iraq to attack Iran yesterday. Why is this not serious enough to take seriously? A 10 word sentence buried midway through his speech and every one wants to believe he's just a nutcase that no one need pay attention to, why? Did someone take away the nuclear football and its codes?
Okay, I'm scared witless--but weaseldog@52 and dale@62 still can make me laugh.
Aren't WE the biggest nuclear threat? "They'll follow us home," W. said in a giggly whimper, not realizing what those words really mean:
"We are pussies who let other people who have nothing to do with our fight die because we're ascared."
Will someone please shoot the agitated chimp – showing his teeth and jumping and swinging on his branch - with a tranquilizer dart so he can sleep away the next 14 or so months - and keep the rest of the world safe from being bit.
anonymous @ 71:
That's why Bush has to destroy the Middle East, its the only way he can save it.
The world would be a better place in herr dubyah and dead eye dick just shut the f&ck up until after Jan 2009.
Hey - Everybody! We're going to war with Iran. We have to go to war with Iran because oil is the most relevant thing in all our lives. When oil is irrelevant the wars will end.
Dr. Matt @ 78:
Excellent point.
Oh and I forgot - it's all Clinton's fault!
1) Bush and Cheney don't give a crap about human life.
2) Bush and Cheney don't give a crap about U.S. citizens lives.
Please reference New York 911 rescuers and Katrina victims.
3) Bush and Cheney love Saudi Arabia and Blackwater.
4) Bush and Cheney love big oil.
5) Bush and Cheney love an inneffective Congress.
6) Bush and Cheney love extreme religious leaders and armageddon prophesies.
The truth is, this is not even a smart political move. He just has nothing else to do but beat the drums against Iran. The Iraq adventure was a walk off a cliff. That didn't work out very well, did it? Where's our flowers and chocolate? Where's the evidence that we've even improved one piece of Iraqi life? So what do you do after you've lost a huge pot in poker on a stupid bluff? Why, try the same thing over again. There's a word for this kind of psychology, but George is too old to normally be considered as a candidate for schizophrenia, which starts, almost always, in the 20s and 30s.
Dale @ 89:
The underlying point is that herr dubyah could be enticing Iran to attack the US, or our interests, so he can start, and lose, a third war.
You might think he has no credibility left, but he still has the power to continue the occupation of Iraq and go to war with Iran -- and the Democratic-controlled congress will do nothing to stop him. The Dems might complain about not being consulted or express reservations for consumption by their base, but have no illusions, they are on board with an attack on Iran. They know who butters their bread and the American people be damned.
Chimpy, the Presidential Stain. Vacant. Empty. Moron. Mass Murderer. Pussy.
Honest question. Have we ever before had a mentally challenged President before? I know Reagan wasn't all there, but even in his worst days, he never sounded this retarded. Is it possible Bush is regressing mentally from where he started 6 years ago because he seems to be more delusional than ever?
What I took from that report is that things are going so much better that we have everything to fear and no reason to feel safe.
I think that's a sign of progress!
If this rhetoric turns into a shooting war, what army are we going to send? Shrub has broken this one with his first fiasco and there are no reserves left. Does this mean there will be a draft? If a draft is needed, how many people in congress will vote for it or the war that Shrub is hellbent on fighting? If there is a draft, will the children of candidates from both sides go? Or will it be only us, the great unwashed, who have to "sacrifice"?
Give Me Convenience @ 88:
no its not true, because when oil becomes errevelent then water will be the next thing to fight over,the oil companys own all the coal here they own anything that produces power but water is next because they have poisoned the rivers the lakes the springs , if you want a drink of water in the future the corporations will have to drain the poisons they created from water and any country that hasnt poisoned their water supplys will be next for subdugation!
Pete @ 68:
How about Whore-hey instead?
Also, it is not a WAR. It is an OCCUPATION.
Repeat after me, OCCUPATION.
A good example of a U.S. "friend" is Sarkozy, who just went to spend a Weekend at Bushie's with the dead guy, and then went back to France. He's a conservative, right? So what does he do when he gets back? Calls for a timed withdrawal from Iraq, and a reasonable amount of political pressure on Iran not to develop their weapons. In other words, the same old French position. Gee, maybe they're not "French," maybe they're sane, at least relatively speaking.
The fact that President dinkledorf has no credibility doesn't matter. He's decided he is attacking Iran. The propaganda push is on.
Weaseldog @ 52:
The only real war buffs were the Picts, who went into battle stark nekkid.
That's what we need more Pict battles reeanactors.
Jim H @ 92:
Maybe he's been medicated well enough, that people just thought him a bit dim? Maybe we're seeing now, what close associates have seen for most of his adult life?
Huh? Bush was an alcoholic and a coke head. He would have been better served if he had been taking mushrooms. It might have expanded his consciousness. It might have let him have a connection to the universe his upbringing couldn't provide. Alas, we would all be better off if more people experimented with psychedelic drugs.
ecotopian @ 98:
Can I assume that you're asking a rhetorical question?
OT but amusing. The chimp's new portrait.
http://www.towleroad.com/2007/08/george-w-bush-a.html
Aren't mushrooms rather phallic?
ysbaddaden @ 103:
They also painted themselves blue. Does that make them Democrats?
But here's the problem.. unlike Iraq, IRAN REALLY IS A SERIOUS THREAT... it's the country we SHOULD have attacked, and brought down YEARS AGO, but we didn't... just like we didn't bring North Korea down, and now look how they push the rest of the world around. I think it's better to DISARM IRAN now, than have a second North Korean on the planet... and Iran is just itching to drop a bomb on Israel... better to disarm them first. Unfortunately, Bush wasted all the money, time and goodwill attacking IRAQ... the wrong country, for the wrong reasons.
Let's attack IRAN NOW, before it really IS too late. Can't you just hear a democratic president, in say 3 or 5 years saying something like, "We allowed IRAN to turn into this big threat, and we should have listened to Bush..." They will say it, and they will be right.
This monster works for the same people his daddy does ... the house of saud.
As a post script, for Bush to accuse the Iranians of murderous activities is literally insane.
King of Mean @ 110:
Yeah! Look at how they rolled through Poland, Belgium and France! I hear that horribly things are going on in the Polish Ghettos!
There are rumors that Iran will march on Moscow come winter.
King of Mean @ 110:
I truly hope you are the first to enlist in this fight you so eager to wage. Maybe you could be the lucky soldier to bring back the head of Ahmadinejad.
Or maybe just inhale a nice dose of depleted uranium.
He's either indulging in more of his typical deluded BS or he's pre-spinning a terrorist attack that he and his are planning to carry out against the US - in order to justify the neocon plan to attack Iran.
King of Mean @ 110:
This is insane. I suspect you are a plant by the right to hype support for yet another war of opportunity by the lap dog of the house of saud.
Iran was literally in the pocket of the west. The population as a whole was supportive of the west and DID NOT support the religious extremists. It is now in the hands of the religious extremists only because of the saud serving actions of Bush. What you are saying I believe to be a willful plant of misinformation.
If there was a problem in Iran it was US provocation playing both sides resulting in a devastating Iran Irag war and the British imposing borders and political boundries on SW Asia - Araby - after the first world war.
And as to North Korea, the US tried that approach and was literally defeated. Try nukes? Kiss New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington DC and more goodbye.
If you seriously believe that military action is a solution ... then you have no idea what the problem is. Do you understand political violence ... what it is ... where it comes from ... how you deal with it? I doubt it. But then ... you strike me as a prewar propagandist for hire.
Who do you work for?
King of Mean=King of Stupid
anonymous @ 18:
Now I am not expert in President Ahmadinijad, but there is one thing I know.....the right wing's stock and trade is to paint people as "boogeymen".....why do you have a negative impression of him? Because of what you have been fed by our government and our media? In reality (the place where wingnuts and neocons don't live), he MAY not be that bad of a guy.
Remember the British Sailors being held..........he basically played a joke on the whole world, fucking with everyone, by speaking for an hour, before teasingly insinuating that he may release the female sailors for the benefit of their children.......and then, half an hour later into his speech offhandedly mentioning that he would actually be releasing all of them.
You know a lot of despotic madmen who are fond of turning international incidents into practical jokes?
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Well, unfortunately, we’ll have no choice but to reinstate the draft if we hit Iran. The war will take a horrifying turn from worse, to much worse.
It is no comfort to me that many of our war lovers who are too yellow to fight, will be sent into battle, as many people who oppose all three wars on moral grounds, will be conscripted also. Even those too old to go, will be sacrificing young relatives to the Pet Goat God’s Hubris.
And they will blame Bill Clinton.
tyree @ 99:
How right you are. Thank you for looking past the smokescreen being offered (Iran is now the biggest threat) and seeing to the heart of the issue.
If women ruled the world, would missles be shaped different?
Dale @ 8:
That may well be, but I think it will be the American citizens who pay most dearly.
I expect to hear more terror-related stories in the months leading up to the war on Iran.
Terror alert !!! Terror alert !!! Head of terrorist caught !!! Another splinter terrorist cell destroyed in XXXX country !!!!
Emergency drills !!! Joint-task-force emergency response drills in XXX states !!!! Terrorist alert during Labor day/Thanksgiving/Christmas !!!
Terrorist Alert !!!
anonymous @ 18:
You are wrong because murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians because one mad man MAY have a bad thought is insane. Trust your gut when it tells you that everything out of bushs mouth is insane. It is!
Hell, NO! I won't go!
I'd like to see this scenario: once draftees enter the Selective Service office, they're asked, "Do you support the war in Iraq and Iran?" If they say no, they are free to go home. If they say yes, they are given a gun and shipped out immediately. ALL people, regardless of age or gender, would be drafted, thereby having a fighting force of truly committed individuals. First ones on the ground in Iran - Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc., etc. (the Fightin' Shit yer Britches Division)
miss_kitty @ 95:
Don't sugarcoat it; tell us how you really feel!
This guy is not sane, period. Now he's asking for another 50 billion for the Iraq occupation. If the Dems give him that, I don't think I'm gonna be able to stomach reading another piece of news. I take refuge in imagining his handlers keep him in his straight jacket for most of every day but let him out to make one of these speeches just so he can feel entertained from time to time. That fantasy and a cocktail hour that gets earlier and earlier are all that keeps me going these days.
If the draft comes, maybe we should be fulfilling the stereotypes. If you're before the draft board, tell them you're gay. And keep telling them that.
Maybe by doing this, we can get an all Republican Army to fight the Iranian Rupublican Guard.
it is like some people have the memory of goldfish. after 6 seconds their memory is wiped clean, as they keep banging headlong into the glass tank. it seems that there are some that seem to forget that the reasons for attacking iraq were blatantly distorted in order to give bush his war. but somehow NOW trust the information we are getting about iran.
and, now that the GOP is in the toilet, with no hope for '08, they start ratcheting up the attack-iran rhetoric. for those of you who have been snookered once again, ask yourselves a question: does attacking iran further US interests, or does it further GOP interests? obviously, they are not the same.
the answer is simple: attacking iran would make operation iraqi liberation (OIL) look like an ice cream social, and would only harden the theocratic regime's hold on the country. bush's policies have done as much to strengthen khamenei's (the REAL leader, not ahmadinejad) position as bush's policies have helped strengthen and broaden al qaeda's base.
when i hear the MSM-TV "experts" discuss foreign policy i wonder why the MSM still rely on the advice from this un-sages that helped create an atmosphere that lied us into iraq. it must be good for bizness...
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(A) a felony, or
(B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581 (a)(2); or
(2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman, or other person authorized by law to make an arrest.
(c) Any person making an arrest pursuant to this section shall deliver the person arrested to a law enforcement officer without unreasonable delay. (July 29, 1970, 84 Stat. 630, Pub. L. 91-358, Title II, § 210(a); 1973 Ed., § 23-582; Apr. 30, 1988, D.C. Law 7-104, § 7(e), 35 DCR 147.)
In Tennessee, it has been held that a private citizen has the right to arrest when a felony has been committed and he has reasonable cause to believe that the person arrested committed it. Reasonable grounds will justify the arrest, whether the facts turn out to be sufficient or not. (See Wilson v. State, 79 Tenn. 310 (1833).
Contrast this to Massachusetts law, which while permitting a private person to arrest for a felony, permits those acquitted of the felony charge to sue the arresting person for false arrest or false imprisonment. (See Commonwealth v. Harris, 11 Mass. App. 165 (1981))
Kentucky law holds that a person witnessing a felony must take affirmative steps to prevent it, if possible. (See Gill v. Commonwealth, 235 KY 351 (1930.)
Indeed, Kentucky citizens are permitted to kill fleeing felons while making a citizen's arrest (Kentucky Criminal Code § 37; S 43, §44.)
Utah law permits citizen's arrest, but explicitly prohibits deadly force. (See Chapter 76-2-403.)
Making citizen's arrest maliciously or without reasonable basis in belief could lead to civil or criminal penalties. It would obviously be a violation of a suspect's civil rights to use excessive force, to torture, to hold in unsafe or cruel conditions or to invent a reason to arrest for the ulterior motive of settling a private score.
Civil lawsuits against department stores, police departments, and even cult deprogrammers for false imprisonment are legend. Anybody who makes a citizens arrest should not use more force than is necessary, should not delay in turning the suspect over to the proper authorities, and should never mete out any punishment ... unless willing to face the consequences.
As the ability of the powers that be to hold society together and preserve law and order diminishes, citizen's arrests will undoubtedly be more common as a way to help communities cope with the wrongdoers in out midst.
anonymous @ 18:
My personal opinion is that Ahmadinijad is playing to his fundie base in the same way republicans do. But that aside, from what I understand, he has no real power to deploy forces or take any kind of military action. The real power lies with the Mullahs.
Matt in Texas @ 75:
I'll go to DC with the group. Just organize a group and I'll be there. I'll be coming from Texas, don't have any money, but I can holler real loud. Thank you!!
Doesn't this have to authorized by the congress?
Earlier this year I heard Thom Hartmann say that as long as there is plausible evidence that the president believed that 911 was connected to Iraq, then he could go in. That's why I think he's been putting the two together for so long. But will someone explain why he, WE, can go to a completely different country and bomb them as well?
And as long as i'm asking: If he hadn't been given the last money for Iraq, would he have the power/pocket to carry this off anyway?
We should be deathly afraid of Iran. Afterall, they have half their navy sitting on our Atlantic and Pacific coastline, waiting to be provoked by us. They also have around 180,000 military personnel and another 150,000 hired hands occupying Canada after overthrowing their despicable Dictator. Plus, we can't forget about the extra personnel the have in Mexico after going to get the despicable Al Kada and Ben Lawdin.
editorkid @ 20:
"Nukular combat, toe-to-toe with the Eye-ranians!"
Citizen Seattle @ 132:
Bush has declared the Iranian Republican Guard to be terrorists. This gives him the legal authority to bomb their facilities as part of the ongoing war on terror.
Now, all this is unconstitutional, but that we now have a Congress, Justice Department and White House, that believe that laws can cancel out the US Constitution.
Kevin @ 133:
:-)
irany irony
Citizen Seattle @ 132:
He would just take the funding out the emergency spending budget, which is essentially bottomless.
By asking Congress for the money, he's making them declare their approval.
To quote Yogi Berra:
"It's like Deja Vu all over again".
To quote Da Spyda:
"These fuckers are insane and are about to start WWIII".
IMPEACH THE ASSHOLES NOW!!!!!
Is it just me???
What is it about good ol' Keith that just doesn't make any sense??
How about this for an "angle"
He talk's shit......the shit we all wish we could say to the idiots in Washington and never get's "called" on it.........and by doing so......he takes away the will and the anger of the American people by having us believe that someone (Keith) is looking out for our best interests....he's a plant....an insider....figure it out....
Now answer this.....what the fuck has he really done for the average American by spouting his anti-bush retoric????
Fucking Zilch!!!!!
But he makes ya feel better.......huh...dumbasses...
Just another part of the propoganda machine....
Suck it up!!! LOL
Mention of the "Military-Industrial Complex" as reason for the Iraq War and the atrocities being done for its survival seems tough for the MSM to digest. Thus I am putting this item in the blogs for all to see:
Whistleblowers on Fraud in Iraq Facing Penalties
Sorry if it not directly pertinent to this item. But you have got to read it!
Thanks weaseldog
lucid fiction @ 120:
They probably wouldn't have fins.
Maybe some rounded protrusions.
All-war Is Bad @ 140:
I agree--this should have been leading the news in recent days but I've only seen it on blogs.
We spend Billions on research for instruments of death
instead of using that technology and funds for the benefit
of the human species. We live in a sick world, run by sick
people in a sick culture of death. Some day, Bush will meet
his maker (assuming he wasn't frankensteined in a lab), and
when that day comes, the angels will rejoice.
Sucanut @ 139:
Even if everything you say is true, is there some reason we can't have our own Fux News for 1 hour a day, 5 days a week, as opposed to the hours and hours of Bush propaganda and hatespeech that you righties wallow in every day on same said channel?
Damn the trolls are out today. Gotta be the Craig thing.
Weaseldog @ 109:
That woesn't woad, but Scottish weather.
Blue is often used to describe depression, maybe the Democrats could choose a gayer color.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2b5eM7lrDw
so he just basically declared war right??
Pine Nut, NC @ 145:
Ever heard of "good cop...bad cop"
They allow him to spout so as to calm the retards like yourself....
rain @ 131:
Count me in as well. Seeing as how my business of 5 years has gone belly-up I currently have plenty of time on my hands. No money, but shitloads of time for now. I'll be coming from Florida.
Pine Nut, NC @ 145:- Do not feed the trolls - they are all mourning the outing of yet another one of their heros. Let them spout.
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