Audio of Larry Craig's Bust!
Sergeant: "You are sitting here lying to a police officer." Do you pick up stray pieces of toilet paper from the floors of public restrooms? Was your palm down or up? I could tell it was your left hand...
Craig: "I sit down, um, to go to the bathroom and ah, you said our feet bumped. I believe they did, ah, because I reached down and scooted over and um, the next thing I knew, under the bathroom divider comes a card that says Police. Now, um, (sigh) that's about as far as I can take it, I don't know of anything else. Ah, your foot came toward mine, mine came towards yours, was that natural? I don't know. Did we bump? Yes. I think we did. You said so. I don't disagree with that."
Sergeant: "Okay. I don't want to get into a pissing match here."
Seems that Larry doesn't know what hand his gold ring is on...Sadly, No! has more...
Just, DAYUM!
Gives new meaning to the phrase "How low can you go?"
Resign already....;-p
This should be juicy and the final nail in his gay coffin.
CNN is stunningly unprofessional. Right now they are doing a long piece on Larry Craig essentially defending him and saying his behavior was all logical because he was hounded by the Idaho Statesman. They are totally ignoring the part that in order for that to be true, the police officer would have to have made it all up. This is absurd.
"I don't recall" The Republican's should make this their motto for the "08" campaign!
Tweety is doing a pretty great job of ripping DeLay on "Hardball" today as the latter tries to defend Craig
Don't cops have anything better to do then pretend to take a shit for 5 hours?
Entrapment is wrong. What if Craig really was just trying to go to the bathroom?
He didn't go to the airport to get a blow job he was there to catch a flight.
Seems to me that the cop was a little to concerned about his gay sex quota.
The Delay/Tweety thing is pretty good. Hope you get some video of it. Delay is so delusional.
Would I pick up a piece of toilet paper off a public restroom floor? Dude, I refuse to sit DOWN let alone TOUCH anything. Oy. The part I liked was the wide stance to keep his pants from falling down. Huh? How do you get your pants down with a wide stance, unless you're wearing really baggy M C Hammer pants.
Did he really say the cop solicited him?
lol what a dumbass.
classic To Catch A Predator-esque audio
marco @ 6:
That mensroom has a problem.
and the problem is that men have sex in it.
marco @ 6:
Marcos, how would you feel if your 8 year old son was using the stall right next door to two guys having sex. I can't go into a men's bathroom and my boys are too old for the ladies room.
How did this go from Jewel to craig?
Jewel was a sweetheart. RIP
Drudge is a piece of shit. He walks around with that hat pretending to be a 1940s detective. He got lucky with the Monica story and made this his meal ticket.
BTW -- If craig is not guilty why did he plead guilty? Also why was he peeping into someone else's stall? Give it a break with the wide stance and he's innocent bs, he likes nasty dirty airport sex. Period.
"I have a wide stance!" Indeed!
One of the first things Craig says is "entrapment". Seems you wouldn't use that word unless something had happened that had enticed you to do something that you shouldn't have done.
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Someone post a link to a transcript if they find one, for those of us stuck at work with no audio.
CD @ 11:
Hard to argue with that, no matter what flavor you like. When I'm in a rush to catch a plane and I have to squat in a public men's room to take a dump, the last thing I want is to listen to anyone having sex in the next stall. I don't care if it's too pixies from the planet zordon, get a freaken room!
On the other hand, this has never happened to me. So I have to wonder if it really is a problem, and why in Minneapolis, I city I never visit. But I'm thinking, if I don't hear other guys having sex in the stall next to mine in LA or New York then it just ain't happening anywhere? Is it? BUT, if it is - cut that out and get a room!
Couldn't believe that Chris treated his BFF DeLay the way he did tonight. It was great. Best part was when DeLay brought up Ted Kennedy, Patrick Kennedy and one other person using them as examples of elected officials the Dems didn't kick out. Chris said so they are the party of forgiveness? It was classic.
Oh my bad.
Strawberry @ 8:
lol...
where's Chris Hansen when you need him.
Stick a fork in him... he's done.
The transcript is posted on the MSNBC site.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Craigtranscript.pdf
Matthews yucking it up with D-bag Delay is more sickening than than this tape they are playing now.
I've got your wide stance, right here.
marco @ 6:
if he had his hand "palm up" perhaps he was expecting a pay-off or bribe and he just happened to be sitting next to the wrong person-- no cameras would see and who would watch money being exchanged under a bathroom stall?
Strawberry @ 8:
CAN touch this
marco @ 6:
I could buy that, but you don't plead guilty for something you don't do. And there were many other times he's been accused and ample evidence has pointed to his sexual preference in the past. This was the best outcome for this TURD.
maybe he was expecting to get his palm greased???
Until now I thought the wide stance thing was how far apart his feet were when he was peeing. Now I learn it means how far apart his feet are when he's sitting on the john with his pants around his knees or something. There's something that would have never crossed my mind. I have learned a ton of stuff this week that I sure didn't need to know.
I agree, Strawberry. You don't touch anything in a public stall and for god's sake not a piece of tissue that is on the floor. I'm a neat freak but I don't pick up stuff off of public restroom floors. Jesus, I get grossed out just thinking about it.
About Craigs fascination with the TP...
For the record, I made the exact same observation somewhere on the Internet yesterday or the day before. You can check my NSA file for proof. I wondered at the time why nobody (the PRO reporters) asked Senator Craig about his fascination with those odd bits of tissue in public bathrooms. Glad to see it's finally an issue of focus. I'm going to look for my original snark and post a link here when I find it as proof of serendipity.
Enjoy.
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I'm just picturin' the Senator turnin' about 15 different shades of red durin' this interview, drenched in flop-sweat.
The dumbass shoulda called a lawyer. The lawyer might , at least, have gotten Craig's plea heard by a judge who would have sealed the record. But now not only does everyone know that Craig got busted, they know why- and they know how desperate the Senator sounded.
And I just loved the cops final comment: "No wonder this country's goin' down the tubes." Perfect! Ya couldn't write it any better.
Dire Lobo @ 18:
Be careful on the Jersey Turnpike...Ask Former Gov Mcgreevy
ooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NASTEY!
I'm with Marco. Who gives a shit how he touched the bathroom stall? Having to use an airport bathroom is uncomfortable enough without having to worry now that if I stand the wrong way I'm goin to get arrested.
To whomever said "what if your 8 year old walked in and two guys were having sex"... first of all-- I've NEVER seen anyone having sex in a bathroom (?!!!!!) at an airport.. But apparantly it happens. Okay fine, great. Then arrest people who are having sex in bathrooms. What's up with all this crazy foot-tapping code, palm-up or palm-down BS?!!
I felt sorry for the guy, if only because if I was taking a dump and got questioned minutes later over what angle my feet were at, etc. I'd have no idea. Not saying he's innocent- I don't think I've ever "bumped feet" with anyone in a toilet stall (which he admitted to), but if it happened I don't see how that's a crime in and of itself.
/rant over
B
Then again maybe he is gay and it wasn't just his stance that was stretched out.
But the truth is they got nothing on him. no glory hole or anything.
Liar, liar, pants on fire . . .
Why the hell, on a charge like this, would Craig agree to talk to the cops without an attorney? It doesn't make sense. Then he waited several days or weeks before he plead guilty. Did he talk to an attorney during that time? If he did, his attorney must have advised him to plead guilty to whatever charges were held against him. If he didn't talk to an attorney during that time, he is too stupid to be outside by himself.
To my way of thinking, the only three items I'd like answers to are:
Is there a record at police headquarters/airport security as to lewd behavior occuring
in this particular restroom in the past?
How long had the "bathroom sting" been in place or underway?
Was anyone other than Craig arrested?
It's disgusting that he is even wearing a wedding ring when he certainly proved he loves nasty, dirty men.
Mr. Craig, do all of us a favor and JUST GO AWAY.
Marco,
You must not live in a highly populated area where this sort of thing is a problem and police are actually there to prevent these types of activities, such as what Sen Craig pled GUILTY too. Keep in mind, he pled to a lesser charge. These types of meetings happen all too often in big cities and they have these things called laws, which are designed to restrict such activities. If it weren't a problem, the police would not have to be doing this kind of shit detail, pardon the pun.
pissed off patricia @ 40:
Well the thing is...he was trying to catch a flight. Maybe he just wanted to pay the fine so he could get the hell out of there. Like he really wants to call his lawyer and wait for him to get there so he can go to court and be in the papers.
At first, this little entrapment story was fun. Naughty, nasty Larry.
Now, it's becoming Entertainment Tonight...and Always.
And when you think about it, what in the hell was the "lewd" crime here? Bumping a foot? Rubbing a hand on a partition? Peering through the crack of a door in a public place? Not lewd, in my book.
I agree with those who say cops should have bigger fish to fry.
It has been reported that Craig had given the policeman a card which read United States Senate and asked the policeman "What do you think about that?" That would certainly seem to be an intent by Craig to have the policeman, by the influence of Craig's position, drop the charge.
Still, any LAWmaker with a brain, KNOWS to never plead guilty to something he did not do - if he was innocent, he should have fought it and skewered the police and the D.A. instead of continually saying, "I'm not gay" Guilty dog barks the loudest. He also had a stipulation in his plea agreement that he could not proclaim his innocence, odd that he would agreee to that if he was not guilty
transcript
If he plead guilty, he's guilty. No other outcome. I sure as hell wouldn't have plead guilty if I wasn't guilty. And, I wouldn't have needed an attorney to tell me that.
Marco,
You have derailed :-)
Marco. He's in the papers right now and he's on tv and the net. Had he had a lawyer he might have beat the accusation and be a man of good standing today. The flight can be rescheduled if your professional and personal reputation are at risk.
I think Marco is just yanking our chain :)
Ricky Bones @ 44:
This is like that movie minority report. Is it really a crime if nothing happened? It is entrapment. Why wouldn't the cop just wait for actual gay sex to start happening? I am sure the offenders would get more time and the cop would get 2 sickos at the same time.
Just Me @ 46:
Apparently "case studies" have been accumulated...and the tapping of the feet, repeatedly
by Criag, is just one of the signs that some sort of "contact" for sex is being made..and
couple that with "touching feet" and "waving his hand two or three times under the wall
dividing the two" seem, at least to me, to imply that Craig was up to NO GOOD.
exit7a @ 35:
And beware of Veterans park bathrooms just ask FL state rep. Bob Allen-R.
Strawberry @ 12:
as a man, i can tell you i've used numerous public bathrooms, (including some in the minneapolis airport) and have never heard men having sex in one. as humorous as i find this story to generally be, i feel bad for the senator and think the police officer on this tape sounds overzealous as well. isn't eyewitness testimony unreliable in court? why is the cop's word (not to mention harrassment of the senator in the interview) acceptable?
Marco,
You amaze me...LOL
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Guilty as hell!
Doggiebobo @ 55:
Yeah. It's like gang signs for Republicans perverts.
Pervert sez what ?? trolling the can come on how George Michaels
Doggiebobo @ 55:
So this was all foreplay? Hm. I'll remember that the next time I'm out on date:
Me: "Let's go rub the bottom of a partition now!"
My date: "Oh you naughty, nasty, little boy. OK, let's do it!"
Me: "Now let's pick up stray pieces of tissue from the floor!"
My date: "Oh, you are SOOO turning me on. Bump my foot next!"
Me: "My God, you're a hot one! Stare at me through through the crack of a door now!"
My date: "Now you're crossing the line...but this is all so hot!"
I thought the cop sounded pretty damned fair. He even told him he wouldn't call the paper or anything like that, and he didn't.
The questions he was asking the senator were fair questions. The answers he was getting were for the most part lame. Craig was nervous and probably scared as hell. He probably was seeing his life flash before his eyes as he stood there with the cop. But still, he should have been smart enough to know that he couldn't handle this alone.
marco @ 6:
Don't you think that if you were a sitting (no pun intended) senator and you were doing NOTHING wrong in the bathroom, you would raise HOLY HELL at the accusations? Or are you the type that thinks when OJ wrote his runaway/suicide note saying "Please remember the REAL OJ", it was because he was innocent?
Just Me @ 46:
Craig was NOT charged with "lewd behavior" instead he plead guilty to "disorderly
conduct", a lesser offense...and being such an exceptional smart(?) U.S. Senator,
felt that, as he said in his press statment.."it would just go away".
Amusing that some want to proclaim Craig's innocence in spite of the fact that Craig, himself, pleaded guilty. Apparently his defenders know something he doesn't???
Yeah, I guess the terms "guilty" and "conviction" are kinda meaningless. IOKIYAR.
If I was in the ladies public restroom and another lady slipped her foot over in my stall and then reached her hand under the petition I would think she was insane. I would be out of there so fast I would probably be in the wide stance running to the door in order to try to pull my panties up and run at the same time.
[...] the Larry Craig arrest tape: Craig: “I sit down, um, to go to the bathroom and ah, you said our feet bumped. I believe [...]
If this guy has been as promiscuous as some of the comments and stories suggest, he and his wife would be real smart to get tested for STD's.
i am sure that the pd released this tape in response to craig saying he did nothing wrong and that the pd was just out to get him
tomorrow (the beginning of the long weekend, and a dead news day) an announcement should come out that craig is checking himself into a rehab
can we all deal with the what this sad affair truly shows???
here we are, on the anniversary of the death of a great american city
here we are, dealing with the debacle of iraq
here we are, sitting idly by while a corrupt administration seemingly is gonna get away with high crimes
here we are, watching our civil rights be eroded
here we are, on the cusp of what could be this country's greatest recession since the 30's
and we are more worried about another sex scandal
we are truly twisted
This pervert is also on the Board of Directors of the NRA since 1983... I don't even want to think about where his gun barrel has been!
marco-
There are codes involved in these kinda activities, as there are fer many illegal activities. If a john approaches an undercover cop posin' as a hooker and says, " Twenty for french," ya can bet yer ass that the john will be arrested fer offerin' $20 fer oral sex.
Ya can find the "tearoom" codes on-line, as well as directories that will lead ya right to a public restroom near ya where these things happen.
Can't do squat about any of it, Uncle Joe so we might as well have a good laugh over Naughty, Nasty Larry.
pissed off patricia @ 68:
Most guys would react the same way* if not more severely.
*san pulling up panties. lol
Once in high school someone took a picture of someone masturbating in the shower. Everyone was all-a-flutter over it.
Just Me @ 46:
CD @ 75:
And Tucker would bash his head against the stall.
pissed off patricia @ 68:
If this was a came occurrance in ladies public restrooms there'd probably be well hidden cameras and a whole lotta male officers volunteerin' to review the evidence. ;)
Alas...
johnx @ 76:
Over the wanker or the perv who brought a camera into the lockerroom?
You will also note that he regularly "connected" there....
OK so a rich senator walks into an airport bathroom. Next thing you know a cop is accusing him of trying to initiate gay sex. The copy says you can pay the city a fine and plead guilty to disorderly conduct and it won't be in the papers.... or call your lawyer, wait for him to get here, miss your flight, get in the paper defending yourself about gay bathroom sex. Hmm...what to do. Guilty or not pleading helped him catch the flight and stay out of the paper for a month. Do you really think the media would treat him any different if the story broke that day and he plead innocent?
This never happens to me in public restrooms because I take the most god-awful smelly dumps with lots of sound effects that drive everyone away that doesn't have to really take a nasty dump themselves.
I'm typing this right now as I'm taking one of the above-described dumps, with my laptop computer scorching my thighs connected to wireless Internet.
Ah, the nexus of technology and crap.
Kerrr-plunk!
marco @ 82:
First, tell me please Marco where in the transcript the officer or anyone else said..."plead
guilty to diorderly conduct AND IT WON'T BE IN THE PAPERS"????
Kate O'Beirne on Tucker. BLECH
According to the police report, when the detective flashed his badge, Craig only response was "No.." Now, if someone flashed their badge at me while I was innocently sitting in the stall of a public restroom, I think I'd ask: "What's this about, officer?" Or maybe: "Are you kidding me? I'm on the toilet!"
As for what the detective was doing in the stall, he was sitting out a sting operation in response to complaints about lewd behaviour in the men's washroom at the MSP airport. He did catch other people during the sting operation - notice in the transcript he chides Craig for lying to him while the other people he's caught were at least honest. I don't remember how many other people were reported to be caught in the sting operation, I just remember that at least 2 of them were Canadian. (Go Canada! God, I hope one of them was named Stephen Harper...)
I don't have a problem with Craig being gay. Who really cares? The only problem is the guy has made a career out of his homophobia and that level of hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 71:
Uncle Joe-
If the PD didn't release this tape on its own, someone woulda filed a FOIA request fer its release(which is probably what happened, anyway).
And who's worried about this scandal, other than Craig, his family and supporters? It's Schadenfreude Week in the prog-o-sphere!
But thanks fer yer concern, Sister Mary Josephine.
marco @ 82:
Marco, why are you having such a hard time accepting the facts of the case? There is a bathroom at one of the malls near me in the Sears men's department that is infamous for cruising there. There are websites set up that tell people which public bathrooms are cruising hotspots. And Craig's explanations are so lame they enter into dog ate my homework territory. I have no doubt he is guilty of the exact behavior written about in the police report.
If this story is old why the release now? The timing seem quite suspicious with Rove and Gonzo resigning, and the drumming for the war on Iran. The gay issue seems to be the Republican biggest card to deal with that move the country focus away from the real story. Some would say the Gay issue was what use to win Bush his second term?
For a moment, let's take the sexual nature of the incident out of the question.
Let's suppose that this was a case of ....well...let's say...littering.
This man, who is supposed to compose national laws, has no grasp of how law in America works.
That alone disqualifies him as a legislator.
Now...let's put the sexual nature back in....
Doggiebobo @ 84:
The officer did say something along the lines of 'I don't call the media,' or something like that. He didn't guarantee that it wouldn't be in the papers, he just said that he wouldn't be releasing the information to the media in some sort of press release.
All the same, Craig has to be pretty stupid to think that a guilty plea to a lewd conduct charge is going to pass unnoticed. So, he's a hypocritcal, self-loathing homosexual or a moron. Your pick. If I was Craig, I'd work the moron angle. It's working wonders for most of Bush's administration.
I just love watching these hypocritical "holier than thou" repukes get caught in the same activities they so vehemently denigrate others for. Add craig to the list of many others, including vitter, stevens, cunningham, haggard, jim baker, jimmy swaggart, etc., etc., etc.
Squirm, you bastards!
Wow, it was hard to judge if he was lieing and I was at first believing his story (wide stance to keep pants off the floor) but picking up the paper, and then obviously lieing about which hand he used to brush the bottom of the stall door? Then the way he argued showed he was being pretty much caught in his lies.
what would be good to know is if he flushed the toilet... did he make a deposit? did he even pass anything into the toilet in the minute or two he was sitting there picking up toilet paper off the ground behind his toilet (which would be pretty dang gross, even if he was one of those guys who picks up litter).
Looking into the stall doesn't mean anything...i look all the time to verify occupancy, especially in a large heavily trafficked bathroom where I can't see the feet of those in the stalls.
But where was the tapping of feet??? I thought it was literal tapping, like a signal..not just bumping shoes...which in small bathroom stalls can be innocent..especially when you're widening your stance so your pants don't touch the floor..and undoubtedly a senator would have expensive pants on.
Tough call, but I think he either did in fact solicit, or he got caught up in some lies, and might have been innocent and just fumbled in the interrogation because he was too focused on saving his ass from bad publicity. I'll give him 70% guilty, 30% innocent. But this is a limited judgement based on the audio only. Before this, i was 100% sure of guilt...which shows how easy it is for us to be caught up in poor MSM reporting. And believe me, I want him to be guilty..but I"m also fair.
Hard to understand a lot of that tape, but hearing the cop read him his Miranda rights made my day.
This is really, really bad for Craig, and he sure looks and sounds guilty, but in the final analysis it seems to me this boils down to he-said/he-said. What's to stop any cop from making the same accusation against anybody in an adjacent public bathroom stall? It's easy to embarrass a public figure by forcing them to discuss intimate anatomical details.
Maybe this incident will encourage other people in Craig's past to come forward with more concrete evidence -- with his version of the blue dress.
Biggus Diggus @ 83:
Yeah, but do you use a broad band?
Badda bing, badda boom. Please tip your wait staff and bartender.
This is so embarrassing.
Bored @ 37:
I've got to say that I think this asshole did it. Even if he didn't, I'll never shed a tear for a republican morals grandstander who got railroaded. He voted guilty in the Clinton impeachment trial. Kharma.
But on the other hand, the thought of being arrested and charged for these particular behaviors is horrifying. If this were a democrat whom I liked, I'd be raising holy hell about how he got shafted. Then I'd make the point that people plead guilty all the time who say they're innocent. They're simply hedging their bets by taking a sure thing instead of rolling the dice at trial. I once got a ticket for running a red light. I'd swear it was yellow to this day. But since my record was clean, they pleaded it down to a non-moving violation equipment infraction that would not go on my insurance record. Yes, I pleaded guilty and paid the fine.
If I were walking down the street, and nodded my head just the wrong way while moving my hand the wrong way, could I really be arrested and charged with anything at all? From what I've seen about this, it kinda stinks in a Bush/Cheney/Gonzales Patriot Act kind of way.
Yeah, I think he's a hypocrite and a weiner hound ... and fuck him even if he's not ... but this arrest just scares me more than anything.
sam @ 85: Very, very well stated...and right on...
If this is true, hasn't he then voided his plea, by proclaiming exactly that, repeatedly, in the media?
?????
I wish someone would talk about the dangers of this kind of sex in terms of STD's. If I was his wife I would be down at the clinic to be tested right now! This is not , as a C-Span caller today said, " A gay thing " , it is a perverted thing! I am gay, been in a steady relationship for 32 years and have never had bathroom sex! Seems like this will back fire on the gay community as well when Repubs start saying, "See this is how GAY people are!"
marco @ 82:
Missing a flight?!?! Fer chrissakes, the guy was accuse of solicitin' a sexual act in public- with another guy! Maybe this shouldn't be a crime or misdemeanor, but Family Values loons like Senator Craig have done their damndest to make sure it is categorized this way!
A man of Craig's stature, ya'd think, would hire the best team of lawyers possible to fight these charges. Craig, if innocent, should not only be able to easily beat the rap, but a guy as righteous as the Senator should also be able to present an affadavit signed by the Holy Trinity that attests to his utter and sacred heterosexuality!
But, as stated numerous times before in this post, he plead guilty to a lesser charge. He held his sexuality cheap, rather than defend it. And he did this to catch his connectin' flight?
PurplePatriot - He didn't just do one thing that was code. That could be coincidence. He got the entire multiple step password right. If it was just foot tapping, fine. If it was just the hand between the stalls, fine. If it was just the "wide stance", fine. If it was just looking into the stall, fine.
But it was all of those things. That ain't coincidence.
Cythraul @ 99:
I heard Jeffry Tubin say the same thing on CNN yesterday....so "he(Craig) protests toooo
much."
Well maybe Craig isn't gay. For the record I do believe he did exactly what he was accused of but he could be bi. Dan Savage wrote extensively about men with families who troll bathrooms looking to bust a nut. But to be gay wouldn't one desire to be in a meaningful long term relationship instead of seeking out anonymous sex in public places? Sounds to me like he has sexual compulsion problems and seeks to act them out in mens rooms with other willing participants.
So a police officer is sitting in a stall and he has the psychic ability to know that it's a rich senator (not even from his own state) that goes into the stall next to him? And just know, really knows he can really put a hurtin' to him?
Do you really believe that aside from the D.C. police, and even half of them could even do it, identify a US Senator from the crack of a stall?
That cop just sat in wait knowing a rich senator was going to come through those doors.
For one thing, Craig might have been just jumping around in his answers, because he could have thought of the possibility the officer may have had a tape recorder or even a video camera in his stall. There wasn't a day in my life as a police officer I didn't not have a tape recorder in my uniform pocket. Especially when going into a narc operation.
KSWheels @ 102:
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm just saying that as a citizen, I think the threshold for dropping the net on this particular sting is a little low.
Jamie @ 100:
Proud of you Jamie....and as you implied, this is the type of incident that "some" of the
far, right-wing, conservative, religious bigots will use..INAPPROPRIATELY...as a brush
for all gays.
If I made a commercial its the "do not recall" line that I would highlight. Run pictures of Gonzo and Craig and the rest of them saying, "I do not recall" over and over and over again. End the piece with something like; "They do not recall, huh?...Thank God were all here to remind the Republican's what they've done."
Does anyone live near the Minn. Airport and own a camera? This story could only improve if we had a photo of the stalls therein.
glennl @ 108:
If you did that, it would make you a cunning, strategic, hard-hitting campaigner. Therefore, by definition, you wouldn't be a democrat.
I kid you not!
My friend's kids yesterday were playing cops and senators.
They were fighting over who would get to be the senator. I had to watch the reinactment of the stall pickup right there in the living room.
Then the kid stands up and says, "I'm not gay... never have been gay."
Adam @ 109:
WHY? What would that prove or disprove?
marco @ 6:
Are you kidding me? The cop was there because people had called and complained. It's not about gay sex, it's about public sex. People have a right to be not bothered by that kind of thing when they are in the airport.
The senator is some kind of idiot for even talking to this guy. After he read him his rights, he had to know he was being charged with something. Just say, "I'm not going to talk without a lawyer, thank you."
Personally I am tired of these family values republicans running on promoting these ideas of morality when they are the last ones to actually live up to them. Why isn't the fact that Karl Rove's adoptive dad was openly gay and a pioneer in the piercing subculture in the 70's getting more press. Louie Rove had something like 37 genital piercings and his pierced cock was on the cover of Piercing Fans International Quarterly. It is pertinent because wasn't Turd Blossom one of the ones who helped make the gay marriage debate into a wedge issue during the 2004 campaign?
Mug @ 111:
I remember that as kids, circa '73-'74, my friends and I played Cops and Nixons.
Good times...
OMIGOD, this is just getting ridiculous...the wheels have come off the MSM...they can't seem to get enough of listening to this audio tape...Despite the unsurprising example of yet another REPUBLICAN HYPOCRITE...there should be some compassion for this man's family. Talk about a feeding frenzy...and with REAL NEWS out there to investigate and report on...but, no, haven't time for THAT...gotta get the sleaze out...BUGGERS...
marco @ 6:
he was just looking for the pause that refreshes before planeing!
Mike @ 3:
Does this suprise anyone?
Like most of you I am sure Craig is guilty of this crime. He is well versed in the dance and the cop knows his business too.
Busted for sure but given his word against that of the cop and the denial from the beginning he might be able to convince a jury of reasonable doubt. Marco is playing the role of the defense lawyer and you must admit this case is not a slam dunk for the prosecution if it were an offense that would even go to trial.
PurplePatriot @ 97:
Why? Do you have a wide stance?
Seriously, I am certain that this was not remotely subtle. Sure, I can understand the entrapment fear, but this was not a smile or a nod. If I walk up to an under-cover cop on the street and ask if he's got a dime-bag, I'd get arrested in two seconds, even though I never mentioned drugs.
raw shiva, did you just claim Karl Roves dad has 37 genital piercings??? Are you trying to make my day? Got a link?
glennl @ 121:
I've seen the link. I'll hunt it down. It's amazing!
Dancer @ 116:
Would you prefer some Natalie Holloway? Don't worry, something shiny will come up to distract them. This is kind of funny, but not remotely something that deserves a great deal of attention.
it shouldn't be against the law, for a man to solicit a man for sex. it shouldn't be illegal. I can walk into a single's bar, say to a girl "nice tits wanna f*ck?" and its fine. but if I say it to a man, well, since I'm a man, its "solicitation for paid prostitutional sex". or, like, something like that.
its not right that Larry Craig tapping his foot and rubbing his hand is illegal. its ridiculously homophobic.
but...... you know why its illegal? well, its because 2-faced fags like Larry Craig spent all day passing laws making tough guy born again Christian voters happy by denouncing homosexuality.
so its incredibly ironic that yet another GOP'er with a strong voting record against gay rights, got busted for being gay. I'm seriously laughing my ass off here. the entire GOP's anti-gay voting record is starting to sound like that classic Shakespearian phrase "Thou dost protest too loudly..."
the GOP isn't against gay marriage because it demeans traditional family values. they're against gay marriage because if gays are offered the potential to meet someone nice and live happily after then that means way fewer desperate 19 year old gay boys willing to suck dick in an airport bar for a bag of crystal meth. and closet homos like Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Jeff Gannon and many, many others simply can't have that.
What is really weird, is seeing "professionals" debating this stuff on TV and here on this blog.
Though Craig is probably trolling bathrooms -- and is a typical hypocrite. It's kind of nonsense that we have police doing this sort of thing. Arguing intent and whether it was a left or right hand.
Yes, I get the humor of Craig's downfall here. But if we step back a little -- it seems a bit demeaning to everyone involved to discuss what it means to run a hand under a stall or tap a foot. Let people get in trouble for actually doing something.
But hey, in the scheme of things -- I recognize that they are collateral damage of their own hate.
jimmiraybob @ 96:
Thanks, Jimmyraybob, that was exactly appropriate.
I agree that what Craig did was not a gay thing, but a perverted thing. It's a whole different kind of behavior. He may not be gay. He may just be perverted and get off on the rush of bathroom sex. Kind of like how pedophiles are not gay whether they prey on boys or girls -- they are pedophiles.
Concernin' Louis Claude Rove's piercin' fetish:
http://www.bmezine.com/news/guest/20070818.html
The cop nails it at the end:
"Embarrassing. Now wonder why we're going down the tubes"
Doggiebobo @ 112:
Well, for starters, the bathroom Craig was arrested in was outside of the terminal he was in.
He had to leave the security area, walk quite a distance to a specific bathroom, one that has been tagged for closet-case hookups.
I don't know about yourself, but when I travel these days, if I don't have to leave the "security" zone while in transit, I don't.
Who wants to have to have to wait in line, take off your shoes, and go through the ridiculous metal detector more than they have to?
Just so you can go to your favorite bathroom?
I guess if you are a closet case anonymous bathroom sex seeking Republican, it's the thing to do.
Biggus Diggus @ 127:
Exactly.
That's why its not the same as someone picking up someone else in a bar.
Hmm. I'm having flashbacks to the days and days of commentary on Monica's dress.
Can we try and NOT become Republicans? This is just desserts -- but it is making us a pack of hyenas.
raw shiva @ 114:
He got the COVER! That's impressive.....Karl only got a couple of column inches on his manhood, but that's all the space they needed.
Must be fun at the family thanksgivings? Wonder if Louie and Karl compare stories about the biggest pricks they know?
Karl always wins the discussion, cause he's a personal friend of Cheneys.
I hate Republican hypocrites, and God knows there's enough of them. Before hearing this recording it was easy to assume this was just another holier than thou closet horn-dog doing what his party commonly does... lying profusely. I was quite surprised to find however that this time there may be nothing to it. There is no smoking gun here, no compromising position, no audio/video/photo/text of anything illicit, nothing! There should be a lot more evidence of wrongdoing involved to justify how big this story has become. I kind of feel sorry for the old guy now. It seems quite possible that he may be on the level... interesting.
burnt @ 123-
it shouldn’t be against the law, for a man to solicit a man for sex. it shouldn’t be illegal. I can walk into a single’s bar, say to a girl “nice tits wanna f*ck?” and its fine. but if I say it to a man, well, since I’m a man, its “solicitation for paid prostitutional sex”. or, like, something like that.
It's not the proposition fer sex- it's the proposition fer havin' sex in a public place. If Craig walks up to the cop and says, "You and me, room 223 of the Airport Sheraton in 15 minutes," it's golden. But the crime he was arrested fer was attemptin' to have sex in the stall of a public restroom. That, under the penal code directin' the cop, is a crime. And it wasn't even the crime Craig plead to.
marco @ 6:
While I love another Rep in trouble I have to admit this one is a little far fetched. I don't really understand what he did wrong. Men proposition women all the time and it is not a lewd act. He didn't force anyone or continually harass anyone. There was no talk of money exchange, at best it was a sexual advance, but even that is up to debate.
Andy K @ 128:
Thanks Andy... I loaded a link to this several times but none have been posted... what's the deal?
he plead guilty to disorderly conduct.
Disorderly conduct charges are generally bullshit. They are generally tacked on when the cop knows he doesn't have a thing on you. When you're entrapped, they tack on disorderly conduct. When the cops know from your general age and what neighborhood you're hanging out in that you probably have a joint on you, but they don't have probable cause to search you, and they want to fuck with you anyway, they go ahead and search you, arrest you for possession, tack on disorderly conduct, state on the arrest report that you were arrested for THAT and THEN they searched you and found the dope. Then they let you "plead down" to the disorderly conduct, and if you're stupid or scared you generally do. Disorderly conduct is just basically a cop's way of fucking with people. That's exactly what happened to me.
Now, I think its pretty clear that Craig was looking to hook up.
But still... we have something here that has no witnesses, no evidence, nothing at all except the cops word against Craig's. Cops lie. They LIE. Not rarely, they lie FREQUENTLY.
Should you be able to be arrested for a "crime" when there's no victim, no evidence, no witnesses - just your word against the cop's?
And look - what was he arrested for? HAND AND FOOT MOVEMENTS. Or rather, a cop's word against his that he made certain hand and foot movements.
What the FUCK kind of country are we living in when you can be arrested because a cop claims you made GESTURES? And have your career and life ruined?
Craig is an asshole scumbag, he's a hypocrite and I'm glad to see him outed.
But you should NOT be able to be arrested for making hand movements. YES, sex in public restrooms should be illegal.
But HAND MOVEMENTS in public restrooms?
Stop with this bullshit about "the children." OF COURSE if people are fucking in bathrooms they need to be busted. But if two people make eye contact and signal interest in each other, WHEREVER it occurs, its should not be illegal, unless they have the poor taste to consummate the thing right THERE.
And for those of you who are skeeved at the thought of something so horrible happening to you - the horror of being hit very subtly by a person of the same gender, do you really think it needs to be against the law?
Here's an idea, if someone you dont want to fuck winks at you, makes eye contact, taps their shoe or sends smoke signals from the ashtray with a cocktail napkin, ignore them or say no thank you.
Larry Craig, scumbag, hypocrite, gay homophobe, asshole, and person with shitty taste in romantic spots, was busted for being gay in public.
Yes Im with Marco on this one. I think Craig IS a closet case and a dangerous hypocrite, but I also think he was entrapped. He didn't actually do anything lewd. He communicated with another human being and that should not be a crime. The mistake here is that a few certain signals mean just one thing. What if he had met the guy in the stall that way and agreed to go somewhere else for sex? Would that be a crime. Surely there are more important things for the police to be doing.
Just Me @ 46:
So since he wasn't fully balls-deep when he got caught solicitating sex in a public place, he wasn't breaking the law? The "I didn't make it past third base" defense doesn't work against a charge like solicitation. If he'd picked up a hooker and got arrested before they found a nice filthy alley to screw in, he'd still be charged whether he had finished or not.
Does anyone from Idaho know if he made any stupid comments about the Lawrence V Texas case? Because there were tons of Repugs saying that sodomites ought to be forced to register as sex offenders.
Thanks Andy! You made my day. I sent it off to everyone I know, all two of them
I'm sorry but this whole situation pisses me of
ok so i don't agree with a conservative politician living a closeted life, but given Americas homeland security issues doesn't anyone else think that it is absolutely absurd that this is how policeman choose to spend their time policing an airport?????
who is the right more afraid of gays or terrorists?
Andy K @ 135:
Really? Seems to me he was arrested for tapping his foot.
I mean, what if he said "Yeah, I was hitting on you, and you responded favorably, and I was about to suggest we leave and go to the Marriott."
What's next? You can be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder because you rolled your eyes in disgust at someone?
Face it - sure we know what he wanted - but there's no way in hell you would be convicted of trying to have SEX IN PUBLIC because of foot tapping. No way it would even go to court. And the cops know that. But they also know that nobody charged with it is going to DARE take it that far.
They're counting on that.
"I tend to spread my legs when I lower my pants."
ROFL!!!!!!!
lwoolf @ 139:
There had been complaints about people having sex in the stalls, therefore the sting operation. And some one else on another thread said this particular airport restroom was listed on the internet as a well known hook up place.
[...] and it is perfectly natural for feet to carry on like that. . So I fully grok Sen Larry Craig in this audio of his arrest for the “crime” of having happy feet; it’s only natural!: Craig: [...]
"So since he wasn’t fully balls-deep when he got caught solicitating sex in a public place"
So... the time I met a woman in the park and we flirted and she asked me if I wanted to go somewhere... (we ended up at her place) she was breaking the law?Having sex in a public place should be illegal. LOOKING for sex in a public place is fucking ROUTINE, and you never get busted for it unless money is involved, or women aren't.
JSM @ 136:
Once again, it wasn't merely a sexual proposition. it was a proposition to do somethin' illegal: to have sex in a public place.
Those foot taps, the nudge, the palm-up reach under the stall are code for,"Hey, come over here and I'll blow ya- right in the stall of this public restroom."
Now ya might not think this type of thing should be illegal...consentin' adults and what-not...but when the guy in the stall next to ya, or next to yer 15 year old son, gets mixed signals and comes over to yer stall, well, you'll know why this behavior is illegal.
And, once again, Craig had five options:
1&2) Plead guilty or no contest to the original charge
3&4)Plead guilty or no contest to a lesser charge
5)Plead innocent and fight the charge
He chose the third option. He could've chosen #5. He didn't, fer who knows why. Too bad.
What a disgusting pervert this so-called Senator is. And hypocrite. What is up with Senators these days? Are the neocons all secretly sex perverts?
And of course this clown fought hard against gay marriage. And yet he's another right winger who hates gays yet is secretly gay himself.
Is it any wonder the American public got fed up with the Republicans last election year? Creeps. Craig should resign now. It's only a matter of time until the pressure builds up enough that he has to.
The Republicans sure are making it easy for the Democrats to win with scandals like this, one after the other. Down in flames the GOP goes, down in flames.
"There had been complaints about people having sex in the stalls, therefore the sting operation."
So arrest people who do that.
"And some one else on another thread said this particular airport restroom was listed on the internet as a well known hook up place."
Oh no, a hook-up place. The horror.
Funny how you never see cops staked out in any of the several TRILLION places popular with straight people for hooking up.
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