Do Americans believe the Petraeus/White House Report will be honest?
By John Amato Wednesday Sep 05, 2007 4:19pm
Not according to the new Rasmussen Poll:
...39% believe the report will honestly and accurately reflect the General’s true assessment of the situation in Iraq. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it will not while 26% are not sure.
You could say 65% of Americans believe this will be more propaganda coming from the White House on Iraq as usual.
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NO!
Honesty first!
This is a rhetorical question.
Nope don't believe he will be honest. He has slipped into the dishonesty as the so called "Best and Brightest" did during Viet Nam. And Bush....ha don't believe anything that he says.
Has Bush ever told the truth?
As it's being written by the White House, how can the report possibly be an honest assessment?
Eric Alterman has a friend serving in Iraq who contributes to his blog on a regular basis. Here's his take:
Lt. Col. Bateman writes:
"On General Petraeus' upcoming commentary before Congress: I think I need to write something a little longer to explain this, but everyone should know that my culture (in the Army, and this only applies to the Army) cannot say "no." We just can't. We are inculcated from our first days under arms to accept all missions. We never accept that we have been beaten, or even that we (taken as a whole I mean) even can be beaten. This starts when you are a cadet. Sometimes you will be assigned more material than it is possible to read, and more work than you can accomplish. This is done intentionally. It teaches us about making priorities, accepting risk, and making decisions up front. But it also, unintentionally, conditions us to accept loads that are too much. The process continues, again unintentionally, as you move through your career. You never tell your boss, "No sir, I cannot do that." You may tell him that you need additional resources (time, men, or material), but you always accept the burden. Always. It is the Army way. After a lifetime ... well ... you get the picture".
How many times did we all hear Bush say "Let's wait for General Petraeus's report". That told me all I needed to know, which was the White House was going to distort it. Like with the slew of generals before him, we will only get the real story from Petraeus AFTER he retires.
Absolutely NO !!!!!!
Honest?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [breath]...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Initial cost projection of the war (invasion)
Levees will hold
WMD
Low inflation
Deficit is heading down
9/11 = Iraq
Credit crisis is contained
and on and on and on…
No. Just more Murderous GOP PNAC Bush DoubleSpeak Propaganda.
Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Petraeus’ September Report Will Be Written By The White House
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/15/petraeus-white-house-report/
Hey, you know how Bush & Co. keep telling us to have patience with the surge, and wait for General Petraeus' September report? Well, the General's report will be written by the White House.
At what point do we throw EVERYBODY out of office and start again, exactly?
If they do believe it'll be honest, they are just hopeless fools. They should have learned something by now.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 11:
now would be a very good time.
and to top it all off, he has no CIB.
Almost 40% believe it will be honest??? Jesus, I honestly live in one of the stupidest countries on earth!
The fix has been in since day one. Bush is a manipulator, a game fixer, and schemer. He wouldn't let it ride on Patreus unless he knew that Patreus would tell him what he wants the nation to hear.
We are fighting and dying to prop up a corrupt, virtually non-existent government. Just like in Vietnam. These government people are barely keeping their seats warm.
That approximate 33% (39% in this case) that still think Chimp - and his handpicked minions - is infallible are an amazing bunch, aren’t they? These lemmings will truly follow Pres. Zoolander right off a cliff. Good riddance, I wish they all would… unfortunately we, the 67%, would be pulled right down with them since we all live in this once-great country together.
we don't live in a democracy (republic) any more. bush has written signing statements, gotten the ag to politicize the entire judicial system and violated every constitutional freedom and international law and treaty we have. oops, he does allow guns. he needs those to get his fucking minions to run the country when he declares martial law soon.
you don't really think this fucking shit-for-brains plans to let go of his illegal power takeover, do you?
Of course it will be a farce...
Farce, farce farce, farce, farce, farce.
And yet enough doubt will be planted to give defacto consent for more war.
CNN is announcing that bin laden will address America via video on the eve of or on the day of Sept. 11.
Nice timing, huh? You have to wonder is he working for the bush administration. I think the last time we saw him was just before the 04 elections and bush won that election. Now that support for the war is waning here he is again.
This American want believe it...
who do you think hired bin laden to destroy the twin towers in nyc? the bush family.
The bottom line is that those poll results show that the White House's tactics are working.
They extended the war by several months while sowing doubt and confusion and division among their critics, and are preventing an objective, honest discussion on a going-forward basis. Plus, they have given the GOP a safe way to BS everyone in the interim (as we saw in last night's Republican candidates' debate).
Those are the true objectives. Who cares if a majority of the public doesn't believe that the report will be honest? A majority of the public didn't support Bill Clinton's impeachment either. As Karl Rove would tell you, the critical thing is that ENOUGH people support you that you can exercise political power.
You used the words "honest" and "white house" in the same sentence. That's pretty funny...
It doesn't matter whether one thinks the assessment will be accurate or not -- and aside from the fact that our military should not have been sent in the first place -- we have done enough irreparable damage for lifetimes to come, so I would say that the best course of action for both Iraq and what's left of this country, is to re-deploy safely, as soon as possible -- which means NOW!
Peace!
Count me in the "propaganda" column. I trust NOTHING that has the stink of the cheney/bush administration on it - and there is ample precedent for this view.
[...] who believe the White House report on Iraq will honestly reflect Gen. David Petraeus’s “true assessment of the situation in Iraq,” according to a new Rasmussen poll. 5:55 pm | [...]
pissed off patricia @ 19:
I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself.
I see Karl Rove and Dick Cheney's FINGERS ALL OVER THIS PROPAGANDA!
pissed off patricia @ 19:
The war is a quagmire, the economy is tanking so fast even the rich can’t all find a life raft, the Republican party is down for the count and… Surprise Surprise!! Bin the-great-uniter-in-fear, forget-all-that-bad-economy-shit, HE-is-the-Devil-wanting-to-destroy-us, who-cares-now-about-a-perv-in-a-toilet-stall Laden… is about to reappear!!
Boo! And Double-Boo!!
[i]You could say 65% of Americans believe this will be more propaganda coming from the White House on Iraq as usual.[/i]
The poll said that 35% said they didn't believe it would be honest. How on earth could you say that 65% didnt believe it would be honest?
Sounds like some rightwing-style counting to me.
you could say that, but it wouldn't be true.
Bush to USA:
Look at your TVs and see the bogeyman Bin Laden that we've mysteriously been unable to capture in six years. Ugga bugga! Ugga bugga! Now give us money to keep the Iraq war going to save us from terrorists like Bin Laden even though Iraq had nothing to do with him. Ugga bugga!
Quick, the public appears to be resoundingly on our side! Let's capitulate to the White House on our core values! Faster!!
CNN's just reported on a "softening" of the Democratic position by demonstrating a willingness to compromise... it looks like the rethuglicans have proven their point... be as obstinate as possible, regardless of the consequences and you'll get your way... it looks like an end to this war isn't going to be the result of efforts by public servants, only by public protest... i've been wondering why i haven't seen the same level of public participation and outcry in demonstrations as what i seem to remember from vietnam... maybe now, things will change...
If the polling question was exactly "honestly and accurately reflect the General's true assessment", then no shit most Americans won't believe this. After all, didn't the WH announce that they will write the report and not Patraeus a few weeks ago?
Not sure that I can agree with your math... How do you get 65%? Do you always have to adjust by 30% any Rasmussen poll results or something?
Though I don't believe this report will be anything other than pro-war boosterism.
Biggus Diggus @ 31:
Bin Laden's still free, are you?
That's my take on it too, Biggus Diggus. That rascal sure does pop up as needed. Rove is gone but they still have him to get the job done. Hey, have we ever seen Rove and Bin Laden in the same room at the same time? ;)
Bin who?
Oh, you mean that guy who (supposedly) was responsible for flying planes into the World Trade Center?
The 6'6'' Saudi from one of the richest oil-families in Saudi Arabia, that Bin Laden?
The guy with CIA affiliation, the one that we helped with arms and training to fight the Soviets -- that Bin Laden.
You mean the "Dead or Alive" guy from 5 years ago, is he still around?
Fools on the Hill @ 5:
yeah, when he said he wasn't concerned about finding bin laden
Yes, as I play poker online at PokerStars.com, come & join me, lighten up on Bush. As soon as Iran takes over there'll be no internet, Blogs, or Poker!
I take it that is what/where your going, with ya'll being against fighting for GOD, Mother & Country.
I just won another Pot, GLA.......
CYA
Impeachment Hearings: The People Are There But Where is Congress and the Media?
By Joe from Olympia, WA - Aug 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm EDT
The fact that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney haven’t been impeached is a testament to Congressional Democrats’ choice of politics over principle and the abject failure of the mainstream media to do its job and provide substantive coverage of the Bush Administration’s shredding of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.
...
The public, once again, is ahead of the politicians and most of the media establishment. A poll taken back in early July 2007 by the American Research Group found that, despite Big Media failing to call Bush and Cheney on their assaults against the Constitution in any meaningful way, 45 percent of Americans favor impeachment hearings for Bush and 54 percent favored impeaching Cheney. (and of the 120 communities who have voted on the topic to date, an astounding 86, or 71.6 percent, also PASSED legislation calling for the impeachment of both) Nearly One Million Americans have signed petitions calling for impeachment hearings.
Consider the arguments for impeachment
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Man%20Who%20Runs%20With%20...
Impeach Bush and Cheney NOW!!!
Questions the real white house press corp. are afraid to ask but should.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=headzup&num=100&so=1&start=0
pissed off patricia @ 37:
I think I saw them dining at an Abblebee's in Wichita in the Spring of '01.
I don't think there would be an ounce of truth in the report.
I have talked to people who have children who are not generals but soldiers and their story is quite different from what the Petraeus/White House Report will say. I can't recall anything these folks in this administration have spoken to be truthful.
Just last night I spoke to a woman who has a nephew who is in Germany having surgery to try to repair a head wound from a recent bomb attack. (his outlook is not good) Her 16 year old daughter is falling apart trying to accept the fact that her 18 year old boyfriend that she has grown up with since kindergarten deployed to Iraq yesterday afternoon. His first orders had him going for 12 months. His orders have since been changed to 16 months and on the day he left the orders were changed to 20 months. How do these people keep their sanity?
Has Petraeus or bush donated any of their family to their cause?
The short answer to your question is NO, NO, NO!
I THINK NOT.
Fools on the Hill @ 5:
and also when he said it would be a lot easier if america was a dictatorship
If this video does appear, afterwords every station should be required to show that clip of bush saying he doesn't worry about him any more
You could say 65% of Americans believe this will be more propaganda coming from the White House on Iraq as usual.
No you couldn't. You could say, "Thirty-five percent (35%) say it will not while 26% are not sure." "Not sure" means they're not sure. However, it probably will be propaganda. Love the blog, just don't misrepresent information...that's the government's job...
c ya
Nathan
Why are 26% unsure given the non stop lying and spin for the past seven years?
dadams @ 13:
A few years ago would be best.
jp, they are unsure because it's hard for them to keep up with the news when their head is all the way up their ass.
WWBLD
There hasn’t been a more influential, shroud-wearing, bearded man in cave since Jesus. For one person, this guy sure can tweak the masses.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20601969/ ...yeah suuuuuurrreeeee!...things are going so well this happened
This is all about leadership...If we are winning the war...why would they allow this skinny bearded shit to advertise "when" he's gonna talk and say they are gonna show it ? It's a slap in the face.
I wouldn't even give him the time of day to spew his propaganda. Foulke his ass.
Six friggin years, hundreds of thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars spent and this guys making home video's on the anniversary of one the worst attack on our soil and the SCLM is running promo's for it ? Does anyone else think that just the thought of this being hyped is insane ? This is surreal.
Hey mudshark, how is your buddy that was bit by that shark?
General Petraeus is so far up Bush/Cheney's butt you can't find him. He will do as he's told that's why he got the job. Congress should first ask Petraeus why he allowed the enemy to get 190,000 US weapons, vest and bullets. Why he told Katie Couric to say what he tells her not what she sees. Why isn't he protecting the soldiers as a leader. The American people are being punkd again by the White House. It's all about the money. Oh by the way Osama works for the White House PR department with his up coming video. It's being shown on 9/11 to put Americans in the fear mode so they will give more money and vote for a Republican President again. For the kids it's called Chicken Little the Sky is Falling will we believe the Twilight Zone area.
I just read the latest post at Kos. I shouldn't have. The Dems want bush to draw up a plan to withdraw from Iraq, but there's nothing more to it than a plan. No follow through.
Well, if Petraeus is honest his report should be similar to the 2 independent reports which already graded Iraq as a failure. How likely is it that his report can have any credibility if it's strikingly different than reports that have already been issued? Of course credibility doesn't matter because assuming Petraeus paints a rosy picture, the MSM and political pundits will spend all their time debating which reports are to be believed while Bush and his war crazies go full steam ahead with more war because Petraeus will have given them the justification they need, true or not.
do these jackasses really believe this idiot general is going to tell them that the surge has failed?
BTW, I find it surreal I am asking mudSHARK about a real-life shark attack.
pissed off patricia @ 55:
That's laughable...it's you going to your neighbors house and telling them to transfer their assets to your bank account and give throw in the keys to the mini van because you think it would be nice of them to do it.
no
Just like Colin Powell, Bush is hoping Patreaus has enough cred to get his (President Dickhead's) lying sorry ass by just one more time...
Can't the General just say the standard Chimp Administration reply, "I don't recall."?
I wonder how long before Petraeus is a commentator on Fox News?
Isn't it amazing how grown military men, who would not hesitate to throw themselves on a grenade and sacrifice themselves to save their men, lack the courage to sacrifice their careers to tell the truth to the American people, according to the code of honor they supposedly dedicated themselves to? Something I have never understood.
Indeed, the U.S. suffers from an appalling lack of courage on all sorts of different fronts, from Congress to the courts to the media.
Did anybody wonder where Karl Rove was headed when he drove out of the White House for his last day?
Back to the old costume shop to get a new turban and an AK-47. The old one was looking pretty ratty.
Al-Queda -- live from somewhere near Tuscon!
pissed off patricia @ 55:
Son left for Iraq today for the next 451 days.
What is to follow through, They would be in a country that didn't string piano wire across the streets not get blown up by IEDs and worried about getting shot at on a daily basis.
Exactly...More spin from Bush and Co. Count on Faux News to play along to the hilt.
WMD? Right! Al Qaida link to 9/11? Right! All is going great in Iraq? Right!
Mr. Pelicano @ 64:
Actually, many have. Lots of promising careers have been cut short because the Military men could not continue to go along with the Bush administration. They retire, and are now speaking out.
Keep in mind that it is actually illegal for a military man to speak against the President. There are good reasons for that.
We need some answer about this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18325.htm
Larry Johnson asks compelling questions. Did you know that Barksdale LA was the "jumping off point for Middle East operations?"
pissed off patricia @ 19:
Yeah, Booshy assumes that the majority of Americans trust republicans to protect them from terrorism. They're hoping and wishing for another one. the repugs have another thing coming. its over.
Hareli@68: well, yeah -- they were the guys who did the "shock and awe" number on Baghdad. Look at their website.
I still think the most important part about that story is that they managed to get some nukes out of the normal command and control for awhile. I wouldn't be surprised if they were intended as a "gift" to Olmert. How to nuke Iran without taking heat from Russia (as if Russia would be fooled for a minute, but the guys in the WH are not the sharpest crayons in the box.)
mudshark @ 51:
I noticed they are phasing in Iran in these discussions now..
LongTooth @ 7:
Because Lt. Col. Bateman and the Army believes this does not mean this type of thinking cannot be challenged. I suggest that Bateman read what Lt. Ehren Watada said at the Veterans for Peace convention last summer in Seattle when he told the veterans, myself included, that:
"I speak with you about a radical idea. It is one born from the very concept of the American soldier [or service member]. It became instrumental in ending the Vietnam War-but it has been long since forgotten. The idea is this: that to stop an illegal war, the soldiers can choose to stop fighting it."
Bateman makes it appear that he and others in the military, be they either officers or enlisted, have to meekly obey whatever the military tells them to do. Bateman would do well to remember that the UCMJ tells military personnel that they have not only a right but a duty and an obligation NOT to obey illegal orders. Lt. Watada expounds upon this thought when he says that:
"Now it is not an an easy task for the soldier. For he or she must be aware that they are being used for ill-gain. They must hold themselves responsible for individual action. They must remember duty to the Constitution and the people supersedes the ideologies of their leadership. The soldier must be willing to face ostracism by their peers, worry over the survival of their families, and of course the loss of personal freedom. They must know that resisting an authoritarian government at home is equally important to fighting a foreign aggressor on the battlefield."
Watada went on to say that "The American soldier must rise above the socialization that tells them authority should always be obeyed without question. Rank should be respected but never blindly followed. Why does the lieutenant believe this? Because, as he points out, "Awareness of the history of atrocities and destruction committed in the name of America-either through direct military intervention or by proxy war-is crucial. They must realize that this is a war not out of self-defense but by choice, for profit and imperialistic domination."
Watada recalled a literary icon- "Mark Twain once remarked 'Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both yourself and to your country...' By this each and every American soldier, marine, airman, and sailor is responsible for their choices and their actions. The freedom to choose is only one that we can deny ourselves."
Watada went on to point out that "The oath we take swears allegiance not to one man but to a document of principles and laws designed to protect the people. Enlisting in the military does not relinquish one's right to seek the truth-neither does it excuse one from rational thought nor the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. 'I was only following orders' is never an excuse."
Bateman would do well to remember that the Germans who tried to use that excuse after World War II ended up being hanged at Nuremberg. It is way past the point that those in the military like Bateman remember that they have a brain and, as Watada has stated, that "The American soldier must rise above the socialization that tells them authority should always be obeyed without question" especially regarding the illegal and immoral occupation of another country by the United States.
"Fool me Once, Shame on You.
Fool me Twice, Shame on Me."
Try to Fool me a Third time, Get knocked on your keister!
Accountability for Bush and Cheney - Impeach them NOW!!!
General Petraeus.......WILL Betrayus!
Gort @ 53:
doing well...we didn't think he was going to make it..but he pulled through....250 staples on his back and r leg...it just missed his spinal column...by something like 2 centimeters or something like that..He's sitting up and cracking jokes...(probably because he's doped up)....He's already scheduled more classes at CSUMB..thanks for asking.It bit him from his shoulder to his right butt cheek(2 bites)....yeah.....he's the fourth guy I know to be bitten by one of those things...scary
There is another Osama tape getting ready to be played on CNN as I write this, probably taped in the WH basement. Wonder if there are experts in Arabic that can vouch that the English matches Osama language on tape. I have always believed these tapes are a fraud and Osama is an actor in those tapes..
Gort @ 58:
yeah...don't I know it...
Impeachment is the opiate of the masses. (So is the internet.) We are such weenies in this country. Where are the massive street protests? The strikes? The massive walkouts from schools?
Nah, it is much easier to sit here and blame some guys in Washington for not taking action. Much less work.
Petraeus’ Report will be Cribbed from ‘MONARCH NOTES.’
mudshark @ 76:
Bush's new "poodle", General Betray-us, is just another liar like everyone in the Bush administration.
Opps, don't know how that highlighting happened in my above post.?
maybe we should stop taking pols, hell the administration and MSM don't give a flying f --k about what the majority of americans think and feel. it doesn't seem to have an effect on any of our political leaders and the beat goes on. most of us know we are led by a pack of liars yet only bloggers call them out on their lies, MSM is like a lap dog that will follow any lead given them by the admin. it is a sad state of affairs when so much has been done to convince us that what we see, hear and know is not the reality and the perpetrators of the myth walk freely without and repercussions. WTF
George @ 79:
Have you heard about strike911? Check it out: www.strike911.com and you will see that there is a massive strike from jobs and school slated to protest this President and his foreign policy.
The People need to take back our country before Bush totally destroys it (along with the aiding and abetting of both sides of the aisle in this do-nothing congress).
Become a Registered Independent if you've had enough....35% of americans now have done so. This makes the Independent Party (when one is officially formed by Bloomberg) one of the two existing parties in this country - with Dems at 38% and the GOP at 27% and dropping fast.
It's time for a change to our current two party system which, clearly, is not working. Time for change is right NOW!
oops! It's www.911-strike.com
This idiot has been in office and ruining our lives for 6 years, and 26% are NOT SURE?!?
What the Fudge, Man??? Are they paying attention?
IMPEACH. NOW.
Kucinich/Gore/Obama/Anyone but Bush '08
Gort @ 81:
Gort..as you can imagine...people aren't in a hurry to get back in the water right now.
#84 and #85
www.Strike911.org is planning a nation wide general strike for September 11.
America has always been at war with Iraq. War is peace. Freedom Is Slavery.
veritas @ 85:
OK Bloomberg....what are his positions on all the relevant issues?The last thing we need is another election thrown by some one who is just posing....I'll listen to him...but he better be real!
When the General goes before Congress, he better make certain that he reads and understands it well enough to make us think that it is really his thoughts.
...about as far as we can throw him.
"You could say 65% of Americans believe this will be more propaganda coming from the White House on Iraq as usual."
um, no.
that is a terrible misapplication of the statistics.
frankly i'd be embarassed if i'd offered that as an analysis.
General Petraeus is being asked to subjectively grade his own performance. Wouldn't you have loved to have that kinda deal in school?
Wouldn't you just love to do your own job performance report at work? Ask David Petraeus how you get a deal like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob1ETBQ9U-s
That's all I have to say.
veritas @ 82:
straight, plain and that simple.
JohnnyBravo @ 97:
well said..
Carmikl @ 96:
he's not doing anything of the sort. he will only take the chimperor's p*nis out of his mouth long enough to spew the prepared lies he'll be handed.
Sam @ 72:
you know the idiot in chief is just itching to pull the trigger on Iran......
Absolutely they'll be honest. What possible motive could they have for lying?
Erroll: I've read a fair share of U.S. military history. What Bateman had to say was not news to me. In fact, it recalled a story related by WW2 General James Gavin (82nd Airborne) in his autobiography, 'On To Berlin'. The 82nd, of course, took orders from Montgomery during the "bridge too far" fighting in Holland, and later during the Ardennes campaign.
In his book, Gavin related his astonishment when, during a briefing, a British officer refused what he would have taken as an order. The latitude a British field commander possessed was entirely foreign to his own training.
And Bateman was not excusing what will certainly prove yet another administration con job. He simply put into a context that which honestly reflects a single, unintended consequence of the West Point curriculum. Honestly reflects, that is, while tacitly acknowledging the professional army's corrupt underbelly.
Of course, Petraeus is a political tool of sinister forces. I didn't meant to imply otherwise. Nor, for that matter, do I extend the benefit of a doubt where his motives are concerned.
But if not Petraeus, there would merely be another compliant general, chosen in order to endorse the views of his political overlords, come hell or high water.
That sound you hear is George Marshall spinning in his grave.
General Petreaus, trainer of Iraqi army battalions, Jun 2004–Sep 2005
Sep 2004–Petreaus: “Six battalions of the Iraqi regular army and the Iraqi Intervention Force are now conducting operations. . .Within the next 60 days, six more regular army and six additional Intervention Force battalions will become operational. . . Nine more regular army battalions will complete training in January”
Sep 2005–Gen. George W. Casey Jr., who oversees U.S. forces in Iraq, said there are fewer Iraqi battalions at “Level 1″ readiness than there were a few months ago. . . The number of Iraqi army battalions that can fight insurgents without U.S. and coalition help has dropped from three to one, top U.S. generals told Congress yesterday.
LongTooth @ 103:
How many Generals have they gone through now? That speaks volumes.
Yep.... My money is on the notion that it will all be just another serving of more propaganda bullshit..... Same as it ever was.......
I can almost hear Stings voice opining now...
'I want my Waarr TEEE VEEE'...cue the drum riff......
Step right up folks... We gotcher 'all war all the time.....forever.....happenin right now.... Get in on the ground floor of this growth indutry... Man, gotta love this edgy 21st century stuff.... Are these great times or what???? My moneys on or what.........I don't gamble but I think that's a pretty safe bet these days..........sadly enough.............JD
Mudshark-
Your certainly are correct, as is LongTooth, that too many in the military such as Petraeus, have been too quick to simply accept what those in the warfare state tell them to do. But LongTooth totally ignored the words of Lt. Watada, which is that those in the military, contrary to what they have been led to believe, actually do have a choice "... to stop an illegal and unjust war" because "the soldiers can choose to stop fighting it." As I tried to point in my earlier comments, those in the military today have to start realizing that they actually have a brain and that, as Watada had said, "[they] must be aware that they are being used for ill-gain." As the powerful documentary Sir! No Sir! and David Cortright's classic book Soldiers in Revolt-GI Resistance During the Vietnam War demonstrated, an illegal and immoral war [in that case the Vietnam War] was able to be brought to a halt by having those from within say NO to the war machine. It was successful during the Vietnam War and the GI movement can again prove successful in bringing the Iraq occupation to an end.
Betray Us was chosen by Chimpy for a reason.
He will read from whatever script the Bubble Boy hands to him.
Dress up Boosh as the organ grinder and his loyal stooge as the monkey for the event. At least the visuals would convey an honest image, in sharp contrast to the stated prevarications that will falsely be presented as immutable truths.
The fact that the question is even being asked speaks volumes to the taint of dishonesty with which the bush administration infects everything.
It is a sad day when a general will prostitute his career in order to advance it. Didn't these guys take an oath?
What, did you expect more from idiot Americans, who don't care about anything but riding in their huge SUV's to get home to watch American Idle on their barcoloungers. 39%, that's disgusting! The American people are a bunch of fools!
He will spin it like this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49283-2004Sep25.html
Petreaus is exactly the kind of political general who punches his ticket covering up a lost cause until those responsible have squeezed every dime of profit that the last drop of blood can make from it.
The only reason this general is in his position is that he is a bootlicker who promised to keep the war going in exchange for the medal of freedom and a promotion. Dubya fires anyone who tells him the truth. Reality is not a friend to the crime family and all the thugs who reside in it. This is a farce.
If you believe the report will be honest you are an idiot, period. Why not wear a foil hat and run around screaming so we can tell who you are?
if our country strikes iran it will be israel pulling the trigger!
Errol...I see what yoursaying and agree...but these people(troops...some people forget their people)will be doing this a great risk as I'm sure you know..It is their duty to refuse to obey an illegal order...hands down.And we know that this whole thing is illegal....and you know this as well as I do...their brains are getting carpet bombed with disinformation...true some see the light...but fear keeps them from acting....this raises a host of other questions and statements....but I'll be signing off now...but I understand and agree with you...gn
Errol: U.S. involvement in the Vietnam war was not brought to a end by any action involving the army/navy/air force officer class. To suggest as much is ludicrous. "Those from within", whom you cite as catalysts for withdrawal, were rank and file draftees, and potential draftees, and the outraged, and their families- mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, who no longer wanted any part of that godforsaken war.
This much is true: GI's often enough made good on threats against officers who chose to ignore that simple fact. And that's a big reason- perhaps the biggest- why we have a volunteer military today.
That war ended because the American people finally had a bellyful of the Big Lies they had been fed for years. But, even as that was happening, wicked spinmeisters were propagating a stab in the back fable, that they might wage war once again.
And so war came.
Honest?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's a good one!
And if you believe what you read on the internet or hear on the young turks we are inches away from bombing the be jeezus out of Iran.
What kind of sense does that make on a purely rational scale?None.
There has been no honorable war since WWII...and even that one is suspect on a number of levels.
This is a war of attrition against ideology and for control of a commodity.
We are dying and killing for "god" and money.
If we extend our arm of the lord into Iran we invite disaster,and Bushcos dream of getting it all will finally be realized,at the peril of us all.We will get it all,in the form of wrath.
It's like inviting the bully into your own backyard.
Enough rumination...I have guns to clean...
Get it right...it's General BETRAYUS
If Patreaus is looking forward to retirement, all he has to do is tell the truth in his report. "The surge along with the whole war has been a complete failure". Tomorrow morning he will be out of a job.
Seriously, how ignorant must people be to believe this report?
I won't be reading it, I won't be listening to it and I doubt very much I will even take notice of anything written about it ...Because I know it will be nothing more than a steaming pile of Bullshit.
George W Bush is a Liar, he is a habitual Liar.
He is emotionally immature and is so used to getting his own way and being able to get away with whatever he says or does, that it has completely screwed up his sense of reality. He is without any shred of a doubt a Sociopath.
I honestly believe that this man is a danger to all that is good in this world. Sorry for the dramatics, but this guy will scream and yell and hold his breath till he turns blue every time he doesn't get what he wants. He enjoys the power of being able to distinguish a person life with a stroke of a pen and will not let that power go. Never. Ever.
He is a spoilt brat with far, far to much power and responsibility.
...and I hate the pricks fucken guts! :-)
The Betray-Us report will be a real "goat rope." Anybody who was in the Army will know what that means.
Shame on you, General.
Mr. Pelicano @ 65:
No truer words, nor more profound ones, were ever spoken. Well said, Mr. Pelicano.
When will Democrats grow a pair and take on Bush? He's a moron! His brain just left the White House! What are Pelosi and Reid afraid of? Is it being held responsible for taking a stand?!?!
God, America is a pathetic nation. Nobody has cajones except the poor young heros that believed in our nation and went when called. The rest, everyone, are just just losers following a loser for their turn at the trough...
I'm just guessing here but I would say about 25 to 28 percent of America will believe it to be an honest report and nothing to do with politics nor Bush's legacy etc. But I am just guessing.
Honest ? this war never started for freedom or whatever you call liberty, don't even think this report is going to be honest, the results of this report is ordered by the White House, the content, the message, is made only to asset new goals like staying in Iraq and invading by Air Iran for alleged Nuclear activities, this is a plan already in the run. you can vote, you can Impeach, you can even be arested, but They are Not going to Stop their evil plans.
This report will be a carefully-crafted objective piece of shit. Anyone who believes otherwise should have their asshole removed.
General Betrayus' "report" will be a read-through of whatever propaganda the WH puts in front of him. He's going to ba a "good soldier" and keep his 4 stars and his pension.
Do you believe in the tooth fairy?? It's difficult to imagine that anyone involved with the Bush administration knows how to tell the truth. Everything about the last 8 years has been one big LIE.
LongTooth @ 119:
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