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FOXNews/GOP Debate: The McCain Appeal

fox_debate_voters-01.jpg Everyone's favorite Republican message cultivator and hairpiece Frank Luntz uses his best Broder skills to determine the night's winners and losers. While the FOX call in poll (and audience applause) gave the debate to Rep. Ron Paul, Luntz's folksy sit-in with Republican voters in gave it to a surprise underdog: John McCain.

The night's big loser? Actually, that was the Republican voters, who almost to a one said they were very underwhelmed by the candidates' performances. The least enchanting candidate: Rudy Giuliani, who even FOXNews Republicans think needs to increase his repertoire beyond "I was the mayor of NYC!"

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motorfingaz's picture

This is not a news channel. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!

miss_kitty's picture

The McCain Appeal:

None

motorfingaz's picture

When will the Democrats speak out on the another hypocrisy of the right wing?

Right wingers supporting another Hollywood actor? But the right wing bashed Hollywood and actors in 2000 and 2004.

Now they are supporting one? Fred Thompson is a Hollywood actor.

Someone please tell the right wing zombies!

r€nato's picture

Rudy Giuliani, who even FOXNews Republicans think needs to increase his repertoire beyond “I was the mayor of NYC!”

well, that's all he's got...

Samson-'s picture

luntz... phhppt

it is the luntz's of the world that have helped reduced political discourse to focus groups, talking points, spin-spin-spin and message-discipline. luntz and his slimy ilk have found positive ways to spin such unspinnable issues as the deficit and 9/11...

i quote luntz, "September 11 changed everything. So start with 9/11 ... Without the context of 9/11, you will be blamed for the deficit ... The trick then is to contextualize the deficit inside of 9/11."

niiiiice one. package it up, mix it with rat meat and sell it to the public as FDA-approved filet mignon, bekawse we dum sheeple ain't knows nones better does us.

fucker.

hey luntz, how does 'you are a putz' poll? in the 18-34 market?

Astro's picture

Conclusion: "Style does matter as much as substance." Yeah, that's our Luntz.

ysbaddaden's picture

Howzaboot hizonner Queen of New Yawk?

motorfingaz's picture

I was pissed that MSNBC allowd Luntz to moderate Democratic pollers on television in 2004.

I was even more pissed that the Democrats allowed it.

Let's face it, as far as the republican candidates go, they have nothing. Each one has his one trick but none of them are presidential material.

Biggus Diggus's picture

Luntz is a dunce.

ysbaddaden's picture

How's this for a campaign slogan:

McCain is Able.

But despite it all, Frank's thingamawig is lookin' GOOD!

sharkcellar's picture

My cat's breath smells like cat food

jr's picture

I'm sick of Luntz and his mouth-breather thermometer

paranoia's picture

Seems like FOX is burying the polls already and declare Rudy in the lead.

ComposerNate's picture

"Style does matter, clearly as much as substance."

It seems with this crowd style is everything. Never mind what candidates were saying, or what they thought, every answer was about how the candidate made them feel. Should the candidate say something they disagreed with, if said confidently and straightforwardly enough, they so easily disregard their own convictions, passionate as they are.

If these folk are representative, Republican voters believe in whatever they are told most forcefully to believe in, perhaps even moment by moment. Is the waffling they find so repugnant in their leaders due to their own tide-rolling wills?

cynic's picture

None of these people identified the principal shortcoming in our electoral apparatus:

Themselves.

Like the woman who thought it was great that Giuliani had done all those wonderful things for New York, but wanted him to address other issues. Not even a clue that most of those wonderful things were ... lies. No critical faculties, any of them. All about 'style,' 'attitude,' leadership.' Phooey. Like listening to bad movie reviews.

And none of them was moved to punch out Luntz. I would have.

Ruffian's picture

oooooo-please have FOX etc decide that mccain is best of the lot after all......

Bud's picture

I'd say Luntz is the biggest loser - that entire segment was pathetic

Jenny'O's picture

pissed off patricia @ 9:

Let's face it, as far as the republican candidates go, they have nothing. Each one has his one trick but none of them are presidential material.

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neither was george.

willie's picture

i remember when tweety had luntz the dunce on hardball all the time during the 2000 election. and again in 2004. not one time did tweety or the dunce say that he was a repube polster. not one time as i remember it. yet tweety had this dweeb doing the same dog and pony show, even with his favorite electroni minute by minute, tracking device and it seemed as though every time the on air poll tracked towards the boy king george. tweety could not praise luntz enough. until i hear luntz interviewed on fresh air with teri gross i did not know he was such a repube. the meer sight of him sickens me to this day after hearing him in that interview.
what a typical repube group, style over substance.....like their boy king hero george has proven...all the sizzle without the steak...the sort of candidate they vote for.

Ruthless People's picture

r€nato @ 4:

Rudy Giuliani, who even FOXNews Republicans think needs to increase his repertoire beyond “I was the mayor of NYC!”

well, that's all he's got...

Like Bush Rudy was unpopular before the 911. Like Bush Rudy got a huge backing from the people and a huge bump in the polls after 911. Like Bush Rudy used and continues to use the terrorist attacks for his own political gain. Like Bush people are beginning to see Rudy has nothing else to offer but fear itself.

Rudy is Bush's Mini Me.

ysbaddaden's picture

sharkcellar @ 13:

My cat's breath smells like cat food

Sounds like you bent your wookie.

Ruthless People's picture

McCain will keep us safe! Rudy will keep us safe! Won't somebody please keep us safe!!

These bedwetting conservatives are scared of their own shadows.

Joementum's picture

This is a tricky time for the Fox News nuts. They have to focus on style over substance because it's too early to tell which bandwagon they'll be riding on a year from now.

I start to lose hope when i see people like that group of 29. What f***ing planet do they inhabit??

WashStateBlue's picture

r€nato @ 4:

Rudy Giuliani, who even FOXNews Republicans think needs to increase his repertoire beyond “I was the mayor of NYC!”

well, that's all he's got...

Nah, he's got plenty more.

He married his cousin.

He tried to move his mistress into the Mayors residence while fighting a nasty public divorce.

The police and Fire Department hate him.

His kids hate him.

He's flip-flopped on Abortion, Stem Cells, Immigration so much, he makes
John Kerry look like Lincoln!

He's generally an egostically blowhard..

What MORE do you want from a Republic candidate?

Batocchio's picture

So is Luntz still appearing on legitimate news networks? Wasn't he slotted to comment on a debate for PBS, or was it just MSNBC? He's a hack first, last and always.

Joementum @ 25: You're right about style over substance for Fox News and their tricky dance now, but I'd add that the GOP is largelyabout style over substance. The Republican faithful buy an image, their tough-talking, authoritarian daddy figure, who's always overly simplistic and normally pretty dumb.

Honest George's picture

Didn't Rudy make a quip - thanking Fred for doing so well in his role in Law and Order - playing Rudy's part? I couldn't tell because of the noise that the falling "lead balloon" was making.

ysbaddaden's picture

Here's you dada figure for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0BVX4UqGgA

Ruthless People's picture

Being a Republican shill Lutz gets paid well enough to afford a top quality hair piece, unlike the poor guy at the 1:00 minute mark. His rug looks like it's about to it the floor.

drzal's picture

the fox blond(of course, no offense) said it all. John mcain will keep me safe. these people live in such fear...

Johnny's picture

I like how the one woman representing the 'younger generation' is at least 35.

Joementum's picture

Batocchio @ 28:

Joementum @ 25: You're right about style over substance for Fox News and their tricky dance now, but I'd add that the GOP is largelyabout style over substance. The Republican faithful buy an image, their tough-talking, authoritarian daddy figure, who's always overly simplistic and normally pretty dumb.

Absolutely. But they will pretend it's about substance once they know which dimwit they're shilling for. I give 'em credit -- they're doing a good job limiting the amount of words they'll have to eat later.

ticktock's picture

This whole interview's perspective of these randomly picked 29 Republicans (right) felt like it was being massaged to the credit of McCain.

It was so patently blatant to the casual observer that at best it was a lame theatrical attempt to amuse the audience...

Even if I were a die-hard McCain Republican enthusiast I would be dismayed at this latest phony attempt to sell his political perspective on Fox News....

redcat's picture

the fox blonde said mccain will keep me safe. you mean he's going to use a rubber.

Fanon's picture

redcat @ 36:

the fox blonde said mccain will keep me safe. you mean he's going to use a rubber.

That wouldn't (ahem) go down so well with the Evangelicals. He'll just pull out, instead.

redcat's picture

like we should be doing in iraq.

ysbaddaden's picture

Fanon @ 37:

redcat @ 36:

the fox blonde said mccain will keep me safe. you mean he's going to use a rubber.

That wouldn't (ahem) go down so well with the Evangelicals. He'll just pull out, instead.

The Repiglicans are all for pulling out now?

ysbaddaden's picture

Waddyabet, Repiglican convention of 2008?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wca.....mp;search=

ysbaddaden's picture
IrresistibleB1tch's picture

ysbaddaden @ 41:

Let's try this one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-7QoiOH9r0&mode=related&search=

that's hilarious!

Jeff's picture

Republicans are so effing dumb. According to that video, they basically want a leader that will make them feel safe and sounds presidential. Fucking simpletons.

ysbaddaden's picture

IrresistibleB1tch @ 42:

ysbaddaden @ 41:

Let's try this one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-7QoiOH9r0&mode=related&search=

that's hilarious!

I guess you had to be there.

Noodles's picture

This video is the sort of thing that makes me think John Edwards is the most electable candidate.

The thing that they liked about McCain was that they saw him as informed and 'consice' (you can nearly make a drinking game out of all the times you'll hear that word in this video). Supposedly saying what he means. Well, for those of us who support Edwards, that is the thing that probably drew most of us to Edwards in the first place. We find that he stands up for his values and is clear on the course he wants to take, he's not running on style points. He says what he is going to do and we trust him to walk the talk.

As I see it Edwards is the real deal who sticks his neck out when he says that we need politically regulate and limit the same corporate influences such as the Fortress Investment Group whom he consulted for in 2005 and to make them pay their fair share in taxes to help out with our health care system (hopefully paying less then what they do now for providing that same service). He tries to create a conversation among Americans about what it is that they really want. He's been critical of our party yet proposes solutions as well. He has brought issues like poverty, K street contributions, specific health care plans, fair trade - not free trade with South Korea into the discussion among the Democratic candidates. He's inserted specifics on issues like this forcing Obama and Clinton especially to take specific stands on these issues (well, except for Clinton's refusal so far to say what her health care plan will consist of). The GOP candidates are certainly saying little about how they intend to fulfill all this happy talk they espouse.

The upshot of this post is that all across America, this is what people are looking for and Edwards has been all about leading a united America from back in 2003. I think that more than a few conservatives may well be ready to get on board with someone who truly proposes change, even if it means trying a new approach to things. We had an era where we saw Reagan Democrats become the GOP faithful (in a way, I was part of that myself a long time ago). I say we are just as likely to create a generation of Edwards conservatives. Watch the video and tell me if it doesn't sound like these people are pining for the kind of leader whom they may even be willing to change their world view for.

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Steve-O's picture

Folksy.

IrresistibleB1tch's picture

ysbaddaden @ 44:

IrresistibleB1tch @ 42:

ysbaddaden @ 41:

Let's try this one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-7QoiOH9r0&mode=related&search=

that's hilarious!

I guess you had to be there.

please don't misunderstand my comment - it's a comedy bit with a voiceover, not a real Hitler speech - that's what's hilarious.

Edwin's picture

I've visited NYC. Vote for me!!

Edwin's picture

Patrick Briggs @ 26:

I start to lose hope when i see people like that group of 29. What f***ing planet do they inhabit??

I couldn't watch teh video. What do I care what a "random" group of F--Ked up Republicans think?? Nada. Reading the post was enough. Go Ghouliani. You were mayor of where?? We've forgotten. Tell us one more time. (tee hee)

Will Grigg's picture

I know Frank Luntz slightly, or at least knew him when we worked together briefly on a Senate campaign about 15 years ago. On the basis of a number of long face-to-face meetings I can offer this reasonably authoritative verdict:

That is NOT a hairpiece. It's just a REALLY bad haircut.

moondancer's picture

To be honest, McCain did have a good night compared to the rest. Guiliani should do the honorable thing: sepuku. Romney acts light Ted Knight with a face lift. Even Ron Paul sucked. The rest were trying to out nazi each other. This is a sad lot. If I was a republican I'd be very unhappy. But of course I'm not... so YIPPEEE

FreeDUMB's picture

He seems happy that style matters.

Edwin's picture

Will Grigg @ 51:

I know Frank Luntz slightly, or at least knew him when we worked together briefly on a Senate campaign about 15 years ago. On the basis of a number of long face-to-face meetings I can offer this reasonably authoritative verdict:

That is NOT a hairpiece. It's just a REALLY bad haircut.

You poor thing. I think you deserve a medal.

Emily's picture

I love how they're trying so hard to make John McCain look good (I wonder what he's doing in return?) and ignore Ron Paul. I saw the clips of Ron Paul's appearance there on Youtube and he definitley had the people on his side and he's more your typical republican than the republicans and he's supposed to be a libertarian (of course now that he's running for president he's a republican) McCain must be getting desperate. I wonder how Luntz got these people to be for McCain.

Emily's picture

Wanna see a glimps into a president Guiliani? Watch the documentary "Guiliani Time." Great film about him and his time as mayor and how he's a worst fascists than Bush (yes it's possible).

Emily's picture

I love how the little audience Luntz was talking to all pretty much had the same answers except they changed some of the wording and of course they're angry about immigration since they're all WHITE. Not a single minority was there interviewed. I thought they were the party of the big tent???

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