Judge Strikes Down Portion Of Patriot Act Dealing With ISPs
AP via Yahoo:
A federal judge struck down parts of the revised USA Patriot Act on Thursday, saying investigators must have a court's approval before they can order Internet providers to turn over records without telling customers.
U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero said the government orders must be subject to meaningful judicial review and that the recently rewritten Patriot Act "offends the fundamental constitutional principles of checks and balances and separation of powers."
The ACLU said it was improper to issue so-called national security letters, or NSLs — investigative tools used by the FBI to compel businesses to turn over customer information — without a judge's order or grand jury subpoena. Examples of such businesses include Internet service providers, telephone companies and public libraries. Read more...
We already know that private companies aided our government in illegally spying on Americans, and President Bush wanted immunity for these companies in the latest FISA bill that was passed last August as Congress was headed out of town. This ruling will make the president's argument a little tougher to make, but there's little doubt he'll do exactly as he pleases, whether it's legal or not...
Perhaps "some" of our civil liberties are in fact going to be restored....but of course
a higher court under Repig control may over rule this decision.
Watch the legal battle to come. You know this will be fought tooth and nail.
Judge has more balls than the entire Democratic majority in Congress!!!! Harry Reid, is ready to "compromise" on the Iraq spending bill. No timetables!!!!! ASSHOLE!!!!
Read David Sirota's article on Huffington Post and then call, email or write your senators and congressmen and tell them NO VOTE on Iraq bill!!!! They have the power and the authority to end this horror, they just don't have the balls!!!!!
NO VOTES ON IRAQ!!!! PERIOD!!!! END IT NOW!!!!
"...whether legal or not." Exactly. I've often (suspected) our country was in fact controlled by a vast criminal cabal, bush and this administration have only deepened that suspicion. This is their country, not ours.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Fuckers.
1984 was a little premature...but it showed up none the less.
Somebody is going to OWN Mitt Romney!!
I wish I had an Ebay account.
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"Me and my Iranian friends amost stolen your B-52 and six bombs!!! And my federal activist LIBERAL ACTIVIST judge friend and sympathizer, and the ACLU and lefties just struck Georgie poo a big blow. God is Great! No?"
AP - 9 minutes ago
CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden will release a new video in the coming days ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks in what would be the first new images of the terror mastermind in nearly three years, al-Qaida's media arm announced Thursday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_video;_ylt=...
A hopeful development. In the past Bush has demonstrated he doesn't have high regard for Federal Court rulings. But at least ISP's have some ground to send the authorities packing when they ask for comprehensive lists.
miss_kitty @ 5:
Oh, you will be so sorry when the master has his Supreme Court overturn this decision....You nasty, bad girl.
L.A. Confidential @ 8:
"Oh! And don't forget! Hillary and Obama are my secret agents! Part of a top secret plot to overthrow America, and make me President! President Osama Bin Laden At that time you will recieve your Muslim training, be issued a Koran, and try on your new turbans and begin growing long beards such as mine.
Women, will enjoy wearing burkas."
L.A. Confidential @ 11:
foolme1ns @ 3:
Nearly all of the 'entire Democratic majority' in Congress is in the House, and the House PASSED serious restrictions on the Iraq disaster, only to have them vetoed. The military appropriations bill you are freaking out about will have the advantage of the GAO study on the failure of the surge, something that was not available last Spring.
Reid does not have a majority vote to work with. He's not an asshole, but you may be one. Why don't you attack the people who are supporting that policy, instead?
"We already know that private companies aided our government in illegally spy on Americans, and President Bush wanted immunity for these companies in the latest FISA bill that was passed last August as Congress was headed out of town."
Bush may have wanted immunity for companies which 'aided' (past tense) in illegal acts, but he didn't get it. And that bill expires in four more months. I hope that Crooks will do at least as good a job of rallying support for the new FISA rewrite as you have in helping spread a useless anger against the wrong people in the gov't.
Why those lousy socialist activist judges... Why I oughta....By golly there ought to be a law... I think I'm gonna have ta.. err hey, wait a minute.. whose side am I on???!!!!!!
Hard to know who the good guys are anymore.. How ya gonna who's up to bat without a gameplan or scorecard or something...
It's all gone crazy bizzarro lately....
Hmmm let me see....
OK, the lower court judges are now the good guys, (yes??)literally the last bastion of true defense of personal liberties in this country and the Supreme Court is now compromised by a cabal of rightwing fascist yes flunkies who want to support a return to the 'good old days'... The pre-new deal good old days of robber baron capitalism....(yes??) And then there's the executive branch?.......What a fucking mess huh..... And then there's Chimpy himself.... And the thread tag line nails the truth of all this shit... He ain't gonna care, he's just gonna do what. ever. the fuck. he wants. anyway......
But impeachment would rip the nation apart and won't work and blah blah blah.... riiight....Hell of a way to sell the concept of democracy if you ask me... Do as we promote, (but not as we actually do) because our national leadership are such a bunch of chicken shit pussies they'd rather ride this train right on over the cliff because it would be too much trouble and to distracting to hold this administration accountable legally... So, it's all just a do as we say and don't worry about the details type bullshit...
Ya know, folks... I just don't think this approach is gonna work out for shit.. not for Americans, not for America's reputation or standing in the world, not for the concepts of democratic rule or our version of it specifically... Just not gonna work out for anyone... Not even the bastards now engaged in wrecking this nation and our personal liberties... Smaller world now with everyone paying attention... Thanks to those Tubes ol Teddy Stevens was railing about awhile back.... Like I said, everyone is paying attention and the hypocrisy is drip drip dripping like an open wound for all the world to see....
No, we're not going to be able to sell the world on our form of government too much longer with this pack screwing shit up....
Just to be blunt about it... That patriot act bit.... Should be totally repudiatied and repealed in its entirety, The agency created and tasked with implimenting action under that act should be defunded as an agency and all that responsibility and the manpower restored to the orginal law enforcement agencies originally tasked with those types of responsibilities under the law with proper protocols that don't trash our constitution for expediencies or political gains sake...
Yea... that's what oughta happen.........(sigh).......JD
Andy K @ 10:
I was just checking-many threads today could wear my original post. Some could not though.
foolme1ns at 3 says, "Judge has more balls than the entire Democratic majority in Congress". You can say that for the ACLU too. I'm retired and have to watch where I give money to be most effective, and the next time the ACLU sends me a letter of solicitation, I will join up and give my money to them rather than to some politician running for office.
Leebrul activist judge who hates America and wants the terrorist to win!
How do Clinton and Obama justify voting for this mess?
It makes no difference.
The ISP's are already in collusion with the NSA, FBI and DHS. They will comply with any and all NSL's they receive.
The judge may as well rule that it's illegal for lions to hunt buffalo; it would make as much difference.
Nothing matters now, what was never really begun anyway is now over for good.
It's a start. A tiny little start. Let's see where this leads.
Paul in LA @ 13:
Harry is pre-emptively caving to the ReThugs. This is not good politics. Nope, and the only thing, let me repeat, the only thing that will convince the wholly owned subsidiary of the MI Complex we call 'Congress' is your so called 'useless anger...'. Get a grip on it and call yer Congressperson. Do it tomorrow and do it every day!
As for Reid being the 'wrong people...' who is the Senate Majority Leader homes? Reid is and thus he is responsible for leading or...
Not.
Corporations and government are now little more than knuckles on the same fist.
so what - nothing will change
Wait, that sound? Is that the sound of a country being taken back?
A.Citizen @ 21:
The FACTS in the Senate are:
1) WHY impeachment is not a good strategy.
2) WHY Leader Reid has to negotiate by losing ground.
See if you can process that fact. It isn't pleasant to view, but the US Senate is not going to any time soon provide the kind of opposition you think it should. IT IS DESIGNED THAT WAY. Rather than blame the Leader, check out who your Senators are, and realize that we have about 20-30 good Senators, and a lot of villains in suits. And that's a problem of OURS -- it only looks to the lazy like Leader Reid's fault.
kudos to the judge. Time to restore reason to our land
Andy K @ 10:
I'll be in Gitmo for life if they read my e-mails (and I self-censor already). First they'll have to abduct me in a foreign land (in Asia) then fly me to Syria... You know the drill..
Is it me or is it just really obvious that "net neutrality" and other money making powers are being given to AT&T (and other blood sucking money hungry rich companies that have monopolized the ISP market) as a trade for their "cooperation" in selling us all out by basically stripping us of the 4th amendment?
Sounds pluasible to me Chip.......JD
sure...why should the bushies worry about a simple thing as the LAW. they can break it all they want, because by the time it comes to a hearing, they'll already be out of office, barring martial law and bush stays on after jan 20, 2009
Jack Damage @ 29:
In fact, didn't the DOJ just approve the measure that allows the "blood sucking money hungry rich companies that have monopolized the ISP market" to move forward with the "Quality of Service" initiatives they have long desired?
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11021.cfm
As if the DOJ has the cleanest hands in DC?
Chip;
Not up in the most recent details coming out of the DOJ, but I know there are well heeled monied interests just pining to take this environment into a situation whereby, for example, you and I wouldn't even be able to comment here back and forth without coughing up some kind of premium money just for the priviledge of accessing this site, and only after revealing enough personal information about ourselves to these isp gatekeepers (under the guise of ensuring security etc) that would allow them to make money by selling this personal info back and forth for marketing reasons... Again, making money on us, but not sharing any of it.... What do we get out of it?
Less bandwidth, less content on the sites we want to visit like this one... endless email and snailmail spam, and bills bills bills... for something which this very moment is still free to do..... And bottom line its all about using the theories of using market forces to stifle desent or commentary that isn't slavishly deferential to the Chimpy brigade...JD
I'm still pissed that sweet, little granola Senator Amy Klobushar ("D", MN) voted for FISA. I heard she got an earful at her appearance at the Minnesota State Fair. Her recent email propaganda just says she voted for legislation to keep America safe.
Wow. Surprise! There's still a judge with a conscience who still gives a shit about the Constitution. Fortunately for the fascists, the Extreme Court has been effectively subverted and corrupted. They will decide against the American People and reverse him at the earliest opportunity.
smchris@33,
In the same boat as you - Senator Webb (VA) similarly betrayed the country with his vote. He is going to be facing opposition next time around for that unforgivable act.
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