Kristol: <i>Sober, Serious Democrats</i> Know U.S. Will Have 100K Troops In Iraq When Bush Leaves Office
By Logan Murphy Saturday Sep 08, 2007 6:03pm
On this morning's Fox News Sunday, William "The Bloody" Kristol informs us (since we all know that he is directing Iraq policy) that not only are we winning, but sober people understand the U.S. will have 100,000 troops in Iraq when President Bush leaves office in 2009, presumably implying that the large majority of Americans who favor pulling out are crazy. Further he claims that the next president will continue the fight against AQI when they take office - and all serious Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, know this to be the truth. The reality that AQI comprises less than 10% of the violence and he has yet to define what "winning" means goes unchallenged.
In FOXNewsland, Bush is winning his media propaganda blitz and unfortunately, Juan Williams is forced to agree that Kristol is right. Watch how he tries to point out that this policy is going against the majority of Americans' values and gets cut off.
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Kristol: “The truth is we are going to have over 100,000 troops in Iraq when George Bush leaves office,” Kristol said. He added “sober Democrats who want to be serious about” Iraq and “who want to think about the consequences of losing” are coming to the view that “of course you can’t just pull out.”
Think Progress has more on Chief Admiral William Fallon from CentCom whose plans for significant troop cuts are at odds with General Petraeus on troop reductions.
(thanks to Nicole for help)
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And psychopathic, carnivorous armongers will lie about absolutely anything.
meanwhile sober, serious republicans smoke pole in the bathroom stall.
Maybe one of whom will be you, Billy.
Think? Maybe?
Nah.
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The good news is that he has yet to be right about anything to do with Iraq.
"On this morning’s Fox News Sunday, William “The Bloody” Kristol informs us (since we all know that he is directing Iraq policy) that not only are we winning, but sober people understand the U.S. will have 100,000 troops in Iraq when President Bush leaves office in 2009, presumably implying that the large majority of Americans who favor pulling out are crazy."
No, No, No, wrong! He is not implying they are crazy, he is implying they are drunk!
Billy's so fucking smug because he knows the votes in congress aren't there to end this, and the dems are too spineless to make any plays.
To end this before 09 America needs a miracle, like Miracle On Ice or that Laettner shot back in the day, - Bush caught staggering drunk off his ass around the WH lawn buck naked like a Yale party or Cheney blowing another guy's face off with a shotgun then trying to cover it up - it doesn't matter what the hell they actually say to the press or anyone anymore, people have become numb to the fact they're both stupid as shit - they've got to be caught doing something your average security mom or yoga class attending burbanite would frown on.
I'd rather be plastered with monkey crap than listen to Kristol [or is it one is virtually indiscernible from the other?]
Kristol is a fat affluent NUT CASE with deep pockets and strong ties to right-leaning power magnets in MSM. Like Ann Coulter, he is a circus sideshow guaranteed to generate controversy by spewing out his imperialistic visions of world domination that enthrall the neocon reader and cause them to come out of the dirty cracks in our national system.
My sources tell me that an unusual number of enlisted men are purposely failing their drug tests in order to get out early. The 100,000 number seems about right assuming the economy turns down enough to get enough of the unemployed to sign up for the $20,000 enlistment bonus.
In a real national security emergency perhaps we could rent the Mexican army.
Unfortunately Kristol is probably correct in assuming over 100K troops will still be in Iraq after President Bush leaves office. As a Democrat I am extremely upset that my party is unwilling to challenge this weakened president. A majority...majority..of Americans support the Democrats withdrawl plan from Iraq, yet they (Democrats in office) refuse to stand up against this President and his failed Iraq policy. Look at what Biden said this morning that he will not cut off funds because he knows the Republicans will use it against the Democratic party. I am at a loss as to why we have Democrats in office without spines.
Let me make a bold prediction:
The will be 100K+ US troops in Iraq in Jan '08.
And not one of them will be named Kristol.
Now I get it.
This is what victory means to Kristol & his fellow neocons: 100,000 US troops in Iraq on January 20, 2009.
That's it. Nothing else really matters.
Homo say whaa? @ 10:
Not just drug tests, but female soldiers, single and married are getting knocked up, and PT standards, pfffft. I've never seen so many fat soldiers in my life. But are they bouncing them? I don't know.
Rove had his numbers too. Prognostication is folly.
Draft happens
Kristol is aging rapidly. The albatross is taking its toll.
Kristol: Sober, Serious Democrats Know U.S. Will Have 100K Troops In Iraq When Bush Leaves Office
Saddest part of your statement, Bloody Bill, is that, no matter WHAT the number, not one of them will be you.
One of the biggest reasons for NOT going to a war of this kind is the responsibility for the carnage and collateral damage that's included.
Colin Powell was right: We broke it, we own it.
And that sucks big time. Given what we have allowed to happen in our name, we should at debate what our responsibility may be to hundreds of thousands/millions of innocent Iraqis who have been displaced, refugeed, orphaned.
We broke it... We own it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyDx1WJiSRw&v3
bibimimi @ 8:
I'd rather the inside of my mouth to be plastered with monkey crap than to listen to Kristol.
Yeah war over there and continuing to enrich corporations by drugging the population over here.
Of course by "sober, serious Democrats" he means Democrats like Hillary who know what side of the bread is buttered.
I hate the "bloody one."
Not gonna waste my time wafching more propaganda by a guy who was WRONG about everything to do with this war. BTW is he a Teddy Ruxpin doll? Not only does he repeat the same talking points over and over, but he always has the same broken necked side-long smirky look on his face in every video still C&L posts of him. It's like "Weekend at Bernies" with the living dead.
Does anyone else think Kristol has had a face lift? maybe it's just the morticians death mask of makeup he wears. Either way he gives me the creeps.
ckerst @ 26:
ditto that
Whatever happened to all the trolls who used to infest these blogs? A year ago there'd have been two or three of them on this thread spewing forth pro-Bush, pro-war, anti-rationality talking points.
Have things got so bad that even these guys are hiding under their rocks, too scared to come out into the daylight?
I wonder If Kristol is paid by the globalists with money or are they giving him something that is deposited and seldom sought after for withdrawal?
There was another moment just before that where Hume talks about how the ENTIRE insurgency in Iraq is "al Qaeda". Juan disagreed, and Hume's response was "Just who do you think we're fighting in Iraq??? It's al Qaeda!"
Contrast that with Ret Gen James Jone's testimony that "2% or less" of the fighters in Iraq are "al Qaeda AND other foreign fighters (combined)".
If I was a gambling man, I would lay odds that Kristol is right. The Democrats see Iraq as a no-win situation, so let the Republicans continue to own the issue. I think Bush will get by this Petraeus hurdle, and should a further hurdle present itself down the road, Bush will get Maliki to resign, and then claim we need 6 more months while the new government institutes reform. With the insurgency in its last throes ;-) , bada boom, bada bing, and the war has been strung along through the end of the Bush presidency.
I really, really hope that when the war crimes trials for the Bush criminals finally come about, Kristol is standing there with the rest of the war criminals. Not to say that he is the only chickenhawk cheerleader that deserves to face justice.
Whatever happened to all the trolls who used to infest these blogs?
They are all now Libertarians or saying they are the REAL liberals (something I've seen the right-wing Bush-bots claim recently elsewhere). The total disaster that is the Bush administration is someone else's doing, probably an evil commie-socialist doing.
I believe him. Bush has made it clear that it will be up to his successor to sort out Iraq. I don't know why people have forgotten Bush said that. He was very clear. The Democratic congress has also made it clear they will talk, but probably not do anything meaningful.
Sober and Serious? Who is he kidding? Look at that picture - he's DRUNK and he's playing pattycake.
Really - listen to him - would a sober person say such idiotic things?
Really though - why do we have to look at or listen to the IRRETRIEVABLY STUPID things this self-serving Fascist says every week? He's complete and absolute GARBAGE. Does ANYONE listen to this guy anymore?
Confess C&L - you only do it so you can laugh at the things we say about him.
Watch out - he looks like he's about to fall out of his chair . . . .
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Nothing this chickenshit, chickenhawk, war mongering, liar has said in the past five years has been factual or true. Kristol would make a good lead man in an infantry unit in Iraq. His talking points would change after they cleaned out his pants. This worthless individual was probably not even a cub scout.
Suppose for a moment that Bill Kristol has all the job positions he has now as a writer and TV commentator, but he only discusses one topic. Bill only writes about and talks about the Titanic in 1912 sinking the iceberg, and proceeding on to NYC to disembark all its passengers. Photos, first hand accounts, missing people and a multitude of "FACTS" are dismissed by Bill. He hires the Bush administration artists who drew the portable "germ labs" for Powell's lying sessions to us and the UN to show us the iceberg sinking, and the unsinkable Titanic cruising westward. Thomas Jefferson never was on the Titanic and never met Bill Kristol, but he said something centuries ago about Kristol, Bush and the neocons who have subverted our democracy(With a strong assist from the Democratic Party). He said, "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead". Misters Kristol, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Gibson, Hume and friends, you are the "dead". Yes, Michelle M. and Ann C., you are, too.
What a fool believes.
It is obvious that we can't pull out military forces right now, at a time when we are preparing to attack Iran. Any questions?
Just my personal observation, but I hope I am wrong.
Kristol is probably correct. Bush has been miss-under-estimated AGAIN.
Now that it is looking more and more likely that he will actually get to hand his OCCUPATION OF IRAQ over to a Democrat president, who will be left to clean up the MESS, and open diplomatic channels, and restore peace... Bush will claim VICTORY OVER THE TERRISTS for the rest of his miserable worthless stinking little self-absorbed life... while he's out there charging BLI$$TERINGLY HIGH rates for speaking to wealthy corporate fat-cat gatherings... still preventing US from getting too close with protest banners to really let him know what we think of him.
Oh, by the way, Kristol is a PIG.
I'm just trying to find out why anyone gives a rats ass what the hell William Kristol thinks about anything at all, much less a war he really knows nothing about, involving people in a country he knows nothing about and regular Americans (not millionaires) which he knows NOTHING about. So why even have him on?
Not to mention his face is eerily similar to a fish from the movie "Finding Nemo".
We lost when we invaded Iraq in the first place.
It is an UNWINNABLE situation, and always was.
Not one single 9/11 terrorist was Iraqi.
There was no link between 9/11 and Iraq/Saddam Hussein. "Al Qaeda in Iraq" did not exist before we invaded Iraq. Hussein and "Islamist" terror organizations were enemies that Hussein actively drove out of his areas of control.
Iraq was 100% the wrong move in figthing against terror. It is a strategic blunder that will go down in history as one of the most blindingly stupid.
Every single terror "incident" since 9/11, whether actually accomplished or planned and thwarted involved not one single Iraqi. Most terror incidents since 9/11 invovled home-grown citizens of the country it took place in, or persons living there for better of a decade.
We are accomplishing nothing against terror by having invaded Iraq, and continuing our occupation. The only thing we are accomplishing is further degrading our standing in the world, and worsening the capablities of our armed forces to deal with any new situations that may arise.
Kristol is a damn fool. Everything he argued for has been an unmitigated disaster from right out of the gate. He has been wrong every single step of the way. He has absolutely zero credibilty.
Ozguy @ 28:
Many of them switched sides Ozguy. That's what Republicans do when they lose. Then say that they were always "Democrats at heart". I know a few who have already done this. I can't be certain if they have actually changed their registration or not but over the last several months, they no longer support the war, Bush or anything remotely resembling Republican politics. To say that their party is crumbling is an understatement. It is imploding at a very rapid rate.
Sober serious Americans want William Kristol deported to the appropriate tyranical dictatorship where he would be greeted with leg irons.
I have this message for Bill "the bloody" Kristol ~~
Dear Bill . . .
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Kristol looks like Eeyore from Winnie The Pooh
[...] How about 100K troops? We’re unlimited aren’t we? NOTHING CAN BE DONE. Not legally not peacefully? How the hell do you end war violence with peace? Somebody may need to assassinate PNAC members (but to be fair, at least he’s bragging about it) [...]
Duh! Democrats are useless sellouts who can't speak honesty. Bill Kristol deserves a pat on the back for mocking idiots who voted these people into office. He knows damn well these warmongers control both parties and nothing will happen peacefully or legally to end this war game.
George: "What are we gonna do tomorrow, William?"
William: "The same thing we always do, Georgie. We're going to take over THE WORLD."
Most of these neocon clowns wouldn't think of going to war themselves. They play war using real living breathing soldiers like they used to use plastic soldiers and video games when they were kids. That's probably the way the so called "Surge" plan was devised. A bunch of guys who see themselves as too good or too important to actually go to war, creating strategies on a game board, then taking them to draft dodgers in the Whitehouse and saying this looks good to me. They see war as moving pieces on a chessboard not as real people being mangled or dying. I wonder if it was one of these guys who came up with the term, "collateral damage".
My gawd, this pig-faced ba$tard Bill Kristol is an arrogant pussy!
Well "of course you can’t just pull out", there are contractors who have YEARS worth of work ahead of them and the republicans will NOT let an anti-war candidate take over -- no matter what it takes.
[...] See also: The Moderate Voice; Donklephant; Crooks and Liars [...]
Unfortunately he is actually right. Pat Buchanan went further today and said that Bush has already won, the Congress CAN'T do anything about it. Despite the con job that the administration is playing, both parties are willing dupes.
In addition to the military, there are 160,000 contractors in Iraq that we are paying for. I've read that fully half are 'security'. Think that money is going to go away without a fight? Or is our legacy to the Iraqis going to be the largest mercenary force in history? You betcha!!! All paid for with American tax dollars in perpetuity.
The only way to stop this war is bring back the draft, no loopholes. It would be over the same day. With multitudes of these, rightfully so in this case, mothers marching on DC, shouting 'Off with his head' or something to that effect.
Don't say that Kristol is wrong. The Democrats are so incompetent it might happen. There is a way of getting out, that is of forcing Bush to get out. For details and discussion see
randomabsurdities.wordpress.com
Am I the only person who's noticed that Billy boy wears the same damned necktie week after week on Fox Noise Sunday? It's that red stripe print thing that was making the rounds of J. C. Penne' about thirty years ago. (To be honest, he does have one other tie, but it's just as old and ragged, drool-soiled and hopelessly out of fashion.) At least Juan Williams maintains a dapper appearance. And what would Dr. Freud make of Shrill Pistol's miserliness in dress? Didn't he suggest that stingy people are "anal retentive"? Want to bet Shrill hasn't taken a crap in all those thirty years?
billy k is full of HORSES)(!+!!
When is William"The Bloody Queen"Kristol going to be outted?
Cominig from one drunken Democrat, when are people going to stop listening to the human Mexican patio chair? Kristol is not merely a complete imbecile, he's a paid agent of the Nova Mob.
Josh @ 47:
Can't disagree with you on the wimpo-crat part, but the only thing William KKKristol deserves is to be charged and convicted of treason to his country. He and the rest of the neo-con death cult need to be rounded up and legally and publicly executed. These people are worse than the Nazi party. At least the German people wised up to the fact that the Nazi's ruined their country, needed to be banned and exterminated. Americans put shit eating scum like this on their televisions and let them walk around as free men making money off the war. What a sick sick society.
Watch this to see what the rest of the world already knows as fact.
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
..."AQI comprises less than 10% of the violence..."
Au contraire. Last I saw somewhere it's less than TWO Percent.
RW @ 9:
You mean like that (sick, sick) "comic", in the Ohio newspaper, PORTRAYING IRANIANS as cockroaches coming out of the sewer? When I saw that thoroughly disgusting cartoon, I not only wrote the newspaper, I also thought that should be a red-state, NOT IRAN.
What is so awful about Kristol's comment? Clinton/Obama/Edwards, the three-headed top tier candidate, have all said they will keep troops in Iraq. Only Kucinich has plans for immediate withdrawal.
The awful thing is that Democrats agree with Kristol. They have all pledged to keep killing Iraqis. For shame.
Margaret @ 62:
The problem with KKKristol's comment is that he was breathing while he made it. The fact that democrats don't have the collective spine nor the brains to stop the war doesn't make him any less repugnant or loathsome.
I think Kristol must suffer from some form of Syphalitic Dementia. God damnit it, he's a republican, never mind....
"Sober, serious Democrats" I know Kristol has never been 2 of those things, and I'm pretty sure he's never been the third either. What a pompous fool.
Sadly, Billyboy is correct.
1. Bush will never withdraw on his own.
2. It takes 67 votes to override a presidential veto on the Senate.
3. You'll never peel off enough Republicans to get those 67 votes.
Does that guy always have a cold?
Put me on the side who think Bill is speaking from knowledge here. Hillary and Obama _would_ continue the war until that end-of-the-universe moment when the U.S. has created a stable and Western-friendly Iraq. Which, when you think about it, is the same thing Dubya is saying.
Remember (if you were around and sentient) that a lot of people voted for Nixon because he was going to end the war. Sometimes a different president doesn't mean much when it is the same Military Industrial Complex.
Dear Mr. Kristol,
How great the world would be without the likes of you.
I actually agree with Kristol, though perhaps (hopefully?) for entirely different reasons.
The Democrats have done little to truly put a stop to the (attempted) U.S. occupation of Iraq, which means that troops will still be there by the time George W. Bush leaves office. Secondly, any Democrat that becomes President (out of the legitamite possibilities from current contenders) has made noises about continuing the battle against "terror." They have to do this because so many Americans are paranoid, confused, and ignorant. Thirdly, a sudden and spontaneous withdrawal of all troops would be entirely irresponsible and disastruous. A planned withdrawal over a period of months (perhaps after pulling troops back to 'key' zones) would at least be less of a final slap in the face to the Iraqi people.
Because the one thing he does know is that there is no functional difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Mug @ 67:
That aint a cold, thats "coke-nose".
So, when the masses finally start wising up to the fact that the term "Centrist Democrat" in fact means "stealth neocon corporatist whore", all that is needed is a little repackaging to bring everybody back under the spell? Some rebranding? "Sober Democrats"? The slickest new term for betrayal of America? Can't wait to see which of the media-appointed "front runners" jump on this band wagon.
Kristol knows that Congressional Democrats are spineless (note to Bill Kristol, it's "spineless" not "sober")
weenies who don't have the guts to send the "at least 100,000" troops home.
Logan -- your comment, "informs us (since we all know that he is directing Iraq policy)" hit the nail on the head. PNAC is "the mysterious plan" for Iraq and indeed, the whole of the Middle East, that everyone keeps asking about -- even though it has been in plain sight ever since Bush was appointed president.
The Democrats know that as well as the Republicans -- and they all have signed on to it either explicitly or implicitly whenever they voted to support any aspect of this invasion and occupation. When Kristol speaks of the "sober" Democrats, he's talking about the ones that that have officially -- but secretly -- signed on to PNAC's belligerent goal of US/Israeli hegemony and dominance of the Middle East.
Indeed Kristol "informed us." He knows that cards are stacked in Congress against the will of not only the American civilian people, but also those in the military who see this disaster for what it truly is. This is no longer a debate in a democratic country -- it is a decision that has already been made by an autocratic government. Nothing, "the people" say or do will undo what's already been decided. To the dem and rep neo-cons -- out or closeted -- "the people" are just the suppliers for their arrogant and twisted agenda for militaristic dominance.
And Kristol is the very public face of these creeps who now aren't even trying to be discreet about their agenda.
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