See, this is what I was talking about on the last thread. Only appearing on the GOP propaganda station is all the proof anyone needs that the general is part of the rotten machine. I have lost any admiration I might have had of him if he has allowed himself to be dictated to by the administration.

This is a "three for the price of one" deal! Faux President appears with Faux War Czar on Faux News! What a deal!

Everyone already knew (and stopped watching) that Fox News was Bush's personal "propaganda megaphone" so what else is new?

Why do we need more datapoints in order to decide that Petraeus is a political general?

It is no surprise that The War Decider Commander Guy who makes every decision during the day with War On His Mind, would give the Cheerleaders For War and Slaughter Channel an exclusive interview the Republican Political General Spokesman for the Republican Party.

A can imagine Bush this morning, thinking as Condi butters his muffins, "Yum, that muffin is crispy, like children burning alive in the phosgene rain. Smells Good! War, War on my mind."

pissed off patricia @ 1:

See, this is what I was talking about on the last thread. Only appearing on the GOP propaganda station is all the proof anyone needs that the general is part of the rotten machine. I have lost any admiration I might have had of him if he has allowed himself to be dictated to by the administration.

Nobody's paying the least bit of attention to this Faux President on a Faux news station.....and watching him pull the strings on his Faux War Czar, General Betray-us! He's playing to am empty theatre these days. Fox News has become Bush's poodle puppet and, in doing so, has become totally irrelevant as a worthwhile news station.

Most of america isn't watching Fox News any longer.

Henrik Berglund @ 6:

Check the language:

I seem to recall something in the posting rules:

Spelling police not wanted.

Its somewhat bad form to nitpick on presentation, in an attempt to deflect focus from the substance.

pissed off patricia @ 1:

See, this is what I was talking about on the last thread. Only appearing on the GOP propaganda station is all the proof anyone needs that the general is part of the rotten machine. I have lost any admiration I might have had of him if he has allowed himself to be dictated to by the administration.

really was theyr any doubt, i said gen betrays was picked because he would lick bushes cock!

i think it's being way overly optimistic when you state that the american people have little faith in this deal and this should push it over the top. the other side of the coin is that the american people watch fox for their "news" and listen to the conservative pundits to form their opinions. consequently when this goes down, it's another instance of it's on the tv, then it must be true.

added ammunition , just to get more milliage out of a disaster this government did to its citizens, old samma tape released , then a tape of a he he terriorists last testiment before crashing into a twin tower , being released the day before the sixth anaversiry of 911, they have me convinced , it really was 19 mid east hijackers who defeated our norad system, good thing cheny was calling the shots that day , think of how bad that day could have been if cheny had not been directing our interceptor air craft!

AL QAEDA MATH = CIVIL WAR --- AL QAEDA'S NUMBERS ARE ONLY 3% TO 5% OF THE TOTAL SUNNI INSURGENCY!

Since Bush has repeatedly claimed we’re in Iraq to fight "Al Qaeda", the terrorists responsible for 9/11, why do we need 160,000 American soldiers to oppose a fighting force estimated to be no more than 3,000 at best?

Is "Al Qaeda's" fighting force of no more than 3000 so much better organized, armed and equipped that they've been able to successfully thwart 160,000 American soldiers after 4.5 years?

Is "Al Qaeda's" fighting force of no more than 3000 solely responsible for the nearly 4000 “American” deaths thus far?

How many “Americans” were killed by “Sunnis” or “Shiites” or “Kurds”? How many “Al Qaeda” fighters have been killed by “American” troops or by “Sunnis” or “Shiites” or “Kurds”?

Do dead “Al Qaeda” fighters immediately return to life to form an inexhaustible number of living dead fighters for “Americans”, “Sunnis”, “Shiites” and “Kurds” to kill again and again?

Are “Al Qaeda” fighters solely responsible for the killing of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians?

“Al Qaeda” isn’t the reason for the killing, destruction and chaos in Iraq. “George W. Bush” is! His dishonest motives, his incompetent planning, his irresponsible cronyism, his arming of sectarian, political and criminal factions, his enabling of ethnic cleansing and civil war, his ignorance, arrogance and immorality have resulted in a level of destruction and death that he is solely responsible for. Everything he has done in Iraq has been based on lies for reasons of political expediency. Intentionally or not, he is truly a mass-murderer.

George W. Bush is relying on the same math in Iraq that Karl Rove used when he guaranteed Republicans would hold their majorities in the House and Senate before the 2006 elections?

"[I]t is estimated that foreigners make up at least 70 percent of al Qaeda's 1,000 to several thousand fighters. Other estimates suggest al Qaeda's numbers around 850, about 3 to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq

Brit Hume? Pathetic.

Weaseldog @ 16:

Don't forget that the goal of the surge was to give the Iraqi Parliament time to get it's act together. While we surged, the parliament went on vacation.

The goal of the surge was not met. By this metric, the surge is a complete failure.

But the tactic of the surge, was successful. We surged. So the Republican Spokesman for the US Military, General Petraeus is going to explain that the tactic was executed successfully.

To make a silly analogy, say a Goerge Bush comes up with the idea of crapping his pants in order to rain pizzas on the world. He craps his pants, but the pizzas do not arrive. He declares success as he now has a pant load.

Man, I like pizza. Don't do this ever again, OK? :-)

better and better. now the big day is to be broadcast exclusively on fox.

i wonder how they will spin things? we're on the verge of victory, or we're barely holding on as it is. either way, the perscription is the same. status quo, prn.

If you read the book "Fiasco" you see that during the first years of the war, Petraeus was a good guy and the way he dealt with the Iraqis was the right way. He befriended them and respected them. I guess the temptation of becoming the big cheese was just too much for him and he sold his soul to the administration in return.

When Fox is given an interview like this it's their reward for carrying the water (or blood) for the administration. When the white house wants something out, they know who to call.

its so easy to lead the sheeple, generals are smarter then anyone , just look at doug mc arther ,he left the phillipines ahead of being captured by the japs , left even though he had no orders to do so, saved his and his familys ass while he left the defenders to die in jap prison camps , then as he did in the korean war took all the credit for inchon landings that one of his subordinates thought up , as he did in every opperation in the pacific war ,then wants to start the third world war with red china and mcs fired by trueman and the sheeple elect ike because thier pissed at truman, shows what dumbasses americans are

pissed off patricia @ 1:

See, this is what I was talking about on the last thread. Only appearing on the GOP propaganda station is all the proof anyone needs that the general is part of the rotten machine. I have lost any admiration I might have had of him if he has allowed himself to be dictated to by the administration.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The man has no credibility. Being a shill for this lying corrupt a$$hat of a president holds no glory. People without courage do this sort of thing. What a shame!

osage @ 18:

After 4.5 years, there are no accepted/enforced rules of law in Iraq....there is no trustworthy or unified police force or Army....there is no trustworthy or unified government….there is no personal safety as sectarian violence goes unpunished....there is no electricity, water or oil as competing factions fight for power....over a million Iraqis have fled the country for fear of being murdered/becoming collateral damage....hundreds of billions of American dollars have been squandered, while nearly 4000 American soldiers and untold thousands of American mercenaries and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died in a “phony” war....and Bush and his monsters of remorseless cruelty falsely pronounce the "surge" is working? What would Americans do if these conditions existed in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago? What Bush and his cohorts have done in Iraq is the greatest “crime” of the 21st century because they invaded and are occupying a country for "political" purposes only that had/has nothing to do with America's security. Bush "created" a “phony” war to hold and expand his "political" power in "America". He forfeited our military preparedness and political influence throughout the world in pursuit of personal power. America’s enemies couldn't have caused more harm to America's interests, welfare and future than George W. Bush has. And yet there are still people who support this shamelessly deceitful and incompetent pretender who wants to continue making the same destructive and deadly mistakes he’s made all along to save his "political" legacy. The moral and ethical disconnect of these whores of partisanship and power is universally "wrong". There is no morality, common sense or good faith in defending the false motives, lies and unconscionable failures of George W. Bush. There is only the perpetuation of death and the "politics" of malevolent and or incompetent men/women whose ambitions have perverted their integrity, patriotism and humanity. Our constitution was written to protect us from times like these. Justice and "righteousness" require impeachment!

You said it! and beautifully, I might add. People with integrity, moral courage, and truth as their guides MUST put an end to this corrupt and inane U.S. government. Time to impeach is absolutely here. What's up with those Democrats elected to office to do as the people of America say? Stand up to this chicanery!

Norse @ 9:

Henrik Berglund @ 6:

Check the language:

I seem to recall something in the posting rules:

Spelling police not wanted.

Its somewhat bad form to nitpick on presentation, in an attempt to deflect focus from the substance.

You, and the posting rules you recall, are dead wrong.
First, it's not spelling or language.
It's grammar.
If we are so lazy that we accept grade school errors in the written word, how exacting can we be expected to be when demanding the truth from the media?

Patraeus...Patraeus...Patraeus! One would think we are standing at the altar awaiting the sermon from the mount! Sweet Jesus this guy is nothing more than a politician drapped in military garb. Patraeus is out for Patraeus! I guarantee this guy upon retiring will become a multi-millionaire working for Faux news or some military industrial group.

They should ask the scab fake General, what will we win and is it worth the lives and the trillion?

someone tell me why two public servants are inclined to give an interview exclusive to inform the american people of our course in war and of national defense?

as it has been noted, if this was not politically motivated, they should be interviewed on public airwaves

[...] and Liars caught something I missed (because I just can’t turn the channel to Fox News): Fox News gets the interviews with General Patraeus (R-Army) and Ambassador Crocker [...]

With a compliant Congress and Media it would not surprise me if Bush nominated David Duke for the Civil Rights Commision, appointed Ann Coulter to replace Tony Snow and made the announcement in underwear with racing stripes. He feels he can do no wrong and the people with the Constitutional authority to say otherwise are either tacitly complicit or in full support. Don't be shocked if next week he urges Congress to send economic aid to Ruppert Murdock then watch the other networks start vying for some aid too.

The General has to have a war going, I mean how much golf, and reviewing of the troops can any one man stand?

Who cares?

Seriously ... Fox?

Why should I, or anyone else with a functioning brain pay attention to anything Fox, or any Murdoch outlet, has to say.

Yes yes, I know, some people still do.

But you know what? Those people are fricking idtios. No amount of reasoning is going to reach them.

None.

I have as much chance as reasoning with some who thinks that freedom is on the march or Anbar is better off or the skies are cleaner or the forests are healthier or there are less children left behind as I am going to have reasoning with Osama Bin Laden about modern feminist theory.

So stop worrying about them, and just figure out how to make them go away, and cut them out of the political process entirely.

john kerry just a tool of the bush fool, i want the money back i sent this creep!

I believe the first question that should be asked of both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker should be:
Has the White House ordered you to portray the Iraq situation in a favorable light?
And the second question should be:
Has the White House suggested to you that it would be in your best interest to portray the Iraq situation in a favorable light?
Might be interesting.

Patriot Scholar @ 51:

I believe the first question that should be asked of both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker should be:
Has the White House ordered you to portray the Iraq situation in a favorable light?
And the second question should be:
Has the White House suggested to you that it would be in your best interest to portray the Iraq situation in a favorable light?
Might be interesting.

fat chance!

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 52:

jr @ 30:

Brit Hume is a wrinkly faced comfort man for the junta

He looks and sounds dopey.

He looks like the losing end of a major prize fight.

After the brain injuries kick in?

tyree @ 48:

its all bullshit nothings going to change joe scarsburo said so, hillerys a war slut ...

Hillary's a camp follower?

Here's a camp follower for you

http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_dan/harveyfierstein122106.jpg

TB @ 47:

Who cares?

Seriously ... Fox?

Why should I, or anyone else with a functioning brain pay attention to anything Fox, or any Murdoch outlet, has to say.

Yes yes, I know, some people still do.

But you know what? Those people are fricking idtios.

They may be freaking "idtios" (I assume you meant "idiots"), but that doesn't disqualify them from voting! You have to realize that while most of us sit here and say "I don't watch Fox News, so who cares what goes on in their land of make believe", most of the 29%ers (who are, from the looks of it, growing again from all the Iraq/Iran/9-11 steroids being pumped through the media) sit there and say "I trust Fox News, so who cares what goes on in 'reality'." As long as this mentality persists on either side, we'll never see progress. We MUST start taking action against corporate media to DEMAND a return to objective, investigative journalism!!

Patriot Scholar @ 51:

I believe the first question that should be asked of both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker should be:
Has the White House ordered you to portray the Iraq situation in a favorable light?
And the second question should be:
Has the White House suggested to you that it would be in your best interest to portray the Iraq situation in a favorable light?
Might be interesting.

Ehh, not such great politicking. He'll say, "No," to both questions, and that will be that for the hearing. Then they'll have to move on.

The media, however, will pick up on the questions themselves, noting repeatedly that the Democrats aren't interested in real numbers or or reality in general. All they want is for Patraeus to say that Bush wants him to lie. The general was there to convey the truth, but the Democrats want their political, spun reality. That would become the narrative.

Instead, the Democrats should learn how to cross examine Bush officials so that the focus is inevitably on their answers, not the questions.

The General is more comfortable in a Fox hole.

osage @ 18:

After 4.5 years, there are no accepted/enforced rules of law in Iraq....there is no trustworthy or unified police force or Army....there is no trustworthy or unified government….there is no personal safety as sectarian violence goes unpunished....there is no electricity, water or oil as competing factions fight for power....over a million Iraqis have fled the country for fear of being murdered/becoming collateral damage....hundreds of billions of American dollars have been squandered, while nearly 4000 American soldiers and untold thousands of American mercenaries and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died in a “phony” war....and Bush and his monsters of remorseless cruelty falsely pronounce the "surge" is working? What would Americans do if these conditions existed in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago? What Bush and his cohorts have done in Iraq is the greatest “crime” of the 21st century because they invaded and are occupying a country for "political" purposes only that had/has nothing to do with America's security. Bush "created" a “phony” war to hold and expand his "political" power in "America". He forfeited our military preparedness and political influence throughout the world in pursuit of personal power. America’s enemies couldn't have caused more harm to America's interests, welfare and future than George W. Bush has. And yet there are still people who support this shamelessly deceitful and incompetent pretender who wants to continue making the same destructive and deadly mistakes he’s made all along to save his "political" legacy. The moral and ethical disconnect of these whores of partisanship and power is universally "wrong". There is no morality, common sense or good faith in defending the false motives, lies and unconscionable failures of George W. Bush. There is only the perpetuation of death and the "politics" of malevolent and or incompetent men/women whose ambitions have perverted their integrity, patriotism and humanity. Our constitution was written to protect us from times like these. Justice and "righteousness" require impeachment!

******We require independent investigation and prosecution within a justice system that has been bastardized to include everyone but the administration!!! I personally believe the 'Big Three' need to be tried internationally for crimes against humanity, and hope they suffer the same fate as Sadda Hussein.
jtp*****

fucking shit-for-brains uses his propaganda tool fakenewscrap station to spew his continuing lies. if the dem representatives buy it this time(i am a democrat), it's time to look for new representation and replace ALL the wussy spineless bastards with representatives who are not tied and kissing ass with the bush neocon corporations.

i am fucking tired of being misrepresented by someone i elected to represent me and the other Americans who voted for them.

Wow the McCarthy channel will tonight become the MacArthur channel.

Of course we will return to our fair and balance fascist channel programs after this special broadcast tonight.