FNS: Freedom's Watch Ad: Good; MoveOn's Ad: Character Assassination
By Nicole Belle Saturday Sep 15, 2007 2:03pm
Always quick to draw false equivalencies when none exists, FOXNews' Brit Hume rejects out of hand Juan Williams' comparison of Freedom's Watch's ad supporting the occupation using a Marine who lost a limb to MoveOn's Betray Us? ad.
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WILLIAMS: Well, I think a lot of Americans when they see the ads that come from Freedom's Watch, the group being run by Ari Fleischer, who used to be the President's Press Secretary. They say, "Oh my gosh, they're using Americans-injured American soldiers without their limbs-as props to say you must support the war. So don't you think the people on the left think somebody should be fighting back with the same kind of passion, the same kind of dirty, knuckle hardball that the right does? Then when the left does it, you say, "Oh you guys on the left..." [..]
HUME: You put that on the same plane with the kind of character assassination that was attempted against David Petraeus? You'd really do that, Juan?
Don't you love Hume's overly dramatic whisper that MoveOn accused Petraeus of "cooking the books"? Would that he would be so horrified by the lies that brought us to this unwinnable quagmire.
Full transcript below the fold
WILLIAMS: Well, I think a lot of Americans when they see the ads that come from Freedom's Watch, the group being run by Ari Fleischer, who used to be the President's Press Secretary. They say, "Oh my gosh, they're using Americans-injured American soldiers without their limbs-as props to say you must support the war. So don't you think the people on the left think somebody should be fighting back with the same kind of passion, the same kind of dirty, knuckle hardball that the right does. Then when the left does it, you say, "Oh you guys on the left..."
[crosstalk]
HUME: Let me see if I have this straight. Your view is that when wounded soldiers and say themselves that they support the cause over there...
WILLIAMS: Not all...not all soldiers say that...
HUME: I didn't say that...
WILLIAMS: The military is divided, much the way that America's divided...
HUME: Those who are saying that aren't saying all of them support it; they're saying they support it. You put that on the same plane with the kind of character assassination that was attempted against David Petraeus? You'd really do that, Juan?
WILLIAMS: I do not say it was a character assassination. I think what the MoveOn.org ad said are you being faithful with the American people or are you being faithful to your command to the president (? -ed. Crosstalk) who put you in this position after firing a whole other set of generals that he didn't like. Now he's picked one guy and he's invested in this man and this man's mission is to succeed on a military basis and not to speak of the lack of political success and the fact that we have been there for five or six years now and we seem to be on the way to ten years.
WALLACE: Brit, you get the last word and then we got to move to a commercial...
HUME: Juan, they accused the guy of cooking the books. That's not just raising questions about the policy.
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The only one who assassinated the character of Petreaus was Petreaus.
Simply look at Colin Powell's shame for selling out his once impressive integrity for the Cult of Bush.
Hume is a national disgrace.
Reich Wing priorities:
Ad about Petreaus, horror of horrors!!
Lies about war that has cost us half a trillion and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, no biggie.
No wonder the wingnuts lost big in the last election and hopefully the next election too.
That's not character assassination. That's credibility suicide.
Brit Hume is a giant piece of shit. He doesn't have character or credibility available for assassination, suicide, or even shame.
I think real character assassination (or perhaps it is really character assessment) is Admiral Fallon saying General Patraeus an "A**kissing little chickensh*t... I hate guys like that!"
Remember Reagan’s second term? Remember that “trickle-down” economic theory? Simplistically, we were told that if the government enacted programs that benefited the wealthy, the wealthy would in turn “trickle down” their largesse to the middle class; more businesses would expand, more jobs would be created, and everyone would benefit.
Hume likes cookbooks. Recall his Iraq/California analogy.
Franken pasted him on that.
Humidor.
Jim @ 1:
Jim. Colin Powell's involvement in the My Lai cover up stripped him of any cred as a human being he may have ever had.
Behind Colin Powell's Legend -- My Lai
By Robert Parry & Norman Solomon
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html
Would some commentator grow a pair and fight back against Fox at least a little? No, because they have Juan on there because they know he won't fight, just prevaricate a little.
A marine died the same day that ad came out. Another a couple days later. Are they doing news segments on that? No. That ad is more important to Fox News than the deaths of soldiers. Fox News will talk about that ad probably 100 times more than deaths in Iraq in the same time.
L.A. Confidential @ 5:
Yeah, and now it's trickling down our throats.
Americans have already rejected General Petreaus's testimony and false and misleading.
The real fear here on the part of Hume is simply this:
MoveOn's ad attacked the priesthood of our culture, the military. By naming Petreaus for what he is, a liar. Since the ad tells the citizenry what it already knows it weakens the MI complex's hold on public discourse. The very idea that a serving general's probity on matters military would be questioned, much less proven non-existent, must not be allowed to occur.
It has been and continues to be essential to the MI game plan for Americans to implicitly accept the word of uniformed officers speaking on military matter as being the truth. This has worked for over 50 years and the visible cracks in this meme are spreading panic in the ranks of those who view the U.S. Treasury and foreign policy as their tickets to the good life.
For progressives this kerfuffle is useful in that it flushes the MI complex fellow travelers out into the light.
Where they can be seen and targeted for action.
Kerry is one of those. A man who couldn't be bothered to protect his own reputation when the Presidency was on the line but who now defends the....
Ass-kissing little chicken shit, Petraeus.
Thought provoking I'd say.
Fox News is so heavily invested in following Bush over the cliff that they can't back out now. They're going to stick with him through on war until they can pass it off to the next administration and then blame them for screwing it up and losing it. That's what the Petraeus report was all about, kicking the can down the road. This administration has never admitted making mistakes and they aren't about to start doing so now. Nobody likes to admit that they backed a loser, but what else would you expect from a "news" organ like Fox that repeatedly puts a convicted felon like Oliver North or a terrorist wanna-be like Ann Coulter on it's programs as voices of authority?
Not counting deaths by car bombs, nor deaths by shots to the front of the head, yes, by definition that's cooking the books. Hume is an idiot.
ever see Hume's tongue? no? that's because it is so covered with shit from the white house that it cannot get past standards and practices at the network. i have said it before and i will way it again, what an asshole.
miss kitty, Thank you for reminding folks that some people have memories longer than 5 years capacity.
I was one of the first net folks to notice MoveOn. It came out just after the 2000 election theft.
MoveOn was began as a group of people who wanted to lay down the election argument (this was prior to 911) and "move on" to begin a new presidency with the cooperation of the people. It seemed to me at the time that they were a bunch of weak kneed Democrats who were all too willing to sweep Al Gore into the dust bin of history.
Five Year Memory.
It is funny to see the republicans try to pound them into the ground, but I always wonder "wassup"?
2008 Straw Dogs for the Rethugs? Hillary and Obama.
The real MAN? Edwards... let's get behind him in a big way. He has never steered us wrong.
As soon as anyone on FAUX News try to explain themselves, it is lost on the average FAUX News viewer.
They just swallow slogans.
The officer shouted orders to a nearby soldier. With considerable bravery, the GI ran directly onto the field of battle, in the line of fire, to retrieve a dispatch case from a dead soldier. In a hail of bullets, he dove back to safety. "Private," the officer said, "I'm recommending you for a medal. You risked your life to save the locations of our secret warehouses."
"Warehouses!?" the private shouted. "I thought you said whorehouses!"
Jim @ 1:
Great point Jim. I mentioned earlier, if Move on had taken out the same ad on Powells presentation, everyone, including Powell would have to say, "You were absolutely right."
On June 14, 1951 Wisconsin Senator Joe McCarthy spoke before the Senate reviewing the career of George C. Marshall. Marshall was then Secretary of Defense, America troops were fighting a desperate struggle in Korea.
Senator McCarthy alleged that the former Secretary of the Army, the man who bore responsibility for Army ground and air forces during the Second World War, who had served as Secretary of State and was then at 69 years of age organizing the military for the conflict in Korea had all along been a conspirator in a communist plot to dominate the World.
The allegation was baseless, but McCarthy's fellow Republicans, willing to demonize any aspect of the Roosevelt legacy. As "Tailgunner Joe" took aim at an American Icon the leaders of the Republican Party stood silent. Even Dwight Eisenhower who was drawn from obsurity let the allegations go unanswered.
McCarthy's excesses finally caught up with him but never did the Republicans call into question the validity or appropriateness of McCarthy's attack on Marshall.
I find it ironic the outrage demonstrated over the criticism of David Petreaus' partisan Congressional testimony. Where is the same outrage when someone the likes of Ann Coulter appears on national television attacking the patriotism of Americans of different political views, even defending Joe McCarthy?
What was Marshall's real offense? He would not acede to the Republicans thirst to take the cold war hot. He would not let the Korean Conflict go nuclear.
There is no respect for Marshall, Murtha, Zinni, Kerry and the multitude of patriotic Americans who don't follow the authoritarian undercurrent the flows through the rightwing of American politics then as now.
Oh but it just tugged at my heart strings how Brit got all soft spoken and sad right at then end there. Jackass!
Congrats to Williams. He did an excellent job in countering the Brit-Bush-Bot's talking points. I wish every one of our Dems in power had spines like this.
"HUME: You put that on the same plane with the kind of character assassination that was attempted against David Petraeus?"
When, exactly, is the funeral?
Wow. These people are scared shitless of MoveOn. Kewl.
Regarding activists, the BSAlert podcast has some good stuff on Iraq war vets against the war. Be sure to subscribe in time to get next week's show, where we expose Libertarianism. It promises to be quite amusing. A lot of the aggressive anti-war movement has another, more sinister agenda that is fueled by other corporate interests.
Hume is so obviously a Bushshill of right-wing rhetoric.
These clowns actually have the audacity to say"Character Assassination"....that comment in and of itself is so ludicrous........it shows exactly how far gone their minds are.......
Hume has made a career out of lying which makes him unable to recognize when he is being lied to by his cronies on the Right. Anyone other than Faux Noise who would hire this putz needs a brain transplant.
L.A. Confidential @ 5:
The problem with that was it didn't trickle down far enough...lol.....another bullshit Repug scam.
Brit Hume, you silly, dishonest, ridiculous buffoon. MoveOn didn't commit an act of character assassination on David Petraeus. David Petraeus committed character suicide. He assassinated himself. He did that by betraying the nation with his lies to the Nation, by his obsequious pandering to the unworthy, through intellectual dishonesty of his own internal dialog and by a profoundly foolish choice to throw in his lot with those - like yourself - who have made it their business to negate everything Petraues was supposed to be working for and defending. Petraeus self-mutilated his honor to the point of committing suicidal character self-assassination.
MoveOn just reported the obituary and commented on it.
Oh, by the way, Brit.....fuck you and the clownact propaganda organ you barter away your own honor on behalf of.
OK, so it's one thing to be a news anchor with a bias. That's understandable and sometimes unavoidable, but to simply flat out ignore the facts and spin the debate to support one side - to knowingly skew the debate in one direction as Hume does? Where are his morals? I mean, the credibility of these two, he and and Wallace, should be untouchable given their histories, but they report and analyze the news like they're college freshmen on a student newspaper.
In trying to frame the debate, Petraeus is being treated as the arbitrator of what we should be doing in Iraq. However, arbitrators are generally neutral third parties whereas Petraeus was cherry-picked among the generals by Bush to lead the surge. So, naturally, Bush and his supporters would want Bush's pick to be treated as an arbitrator.
That said, I think our side should stick to the facts, since the facts are with us and leave the personal attacks to the repubs. For instance, the Anbar province has been successful because Sunni Iraqis have mobilized against the insurgents.
In Baghdad, a different story has emerged. While concrete barriers is improving security somewhat, mostly, to the extent that there has been improvement, it is largely due to prospective murder victims opting to become refugees instead. This ethnic cleansing would have occurred, surge or no surge.
And I think McCain summed it up quite a while ago. This is whack-a-mole, and the surge has kept a few more moles underground. I suspect they'll emerge when the surge ends.
My favorite part of it was the end of the segment, when Williams starts listing generals who have been wrong or disingenuous about wars in the past, Hume doesn't have an answer for him. He just makes this stupid face like the statement hurt his brain or something and then passes the question to Kristol. Could you imagine someone like Wolf Blitzer doing that?
And yet, heaven knows O'Reilly'll be on later tomorrow night talking about the blatant bias at NBC, you know, the big war profiteer.
Juan Williams is a Neocon.
What Murdochian hypocrites they are at Fox! Do they think that Moveon.org's ad can compare in any way to what you see everday in Murdoch's NY Post? After the Iraq Study Group's report Murdoch's NY Post headline was SURRENDER MONKEYS featuring Photoshopped images of co-chairmen James Baker and Lee Hamilton as hirsute apes. http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/media_people/col_allan_loves_pissi...
Brit Hume is a scum sucking GOP apologist that makes Josef Goebbels look like Walter Cronkite. Pompous blowhard.
Murdoch's Fox News Network is deliberately being hypocrites about this. After the Iraq Study Group's report was released, Rupert Murdoch's NY Post's headline was "Surrender Monkeys", showing Lee Hamilton and James Baker, co-chairs of the committee, as photoshopped apes.
what kind of wimpy general is Petraeus if he can't stand up to name calling?????
Of the two ads, I find the one using the blown up veteran to continue to lie to the American people about the war in Iraq to be far more offensive than the one challenging a perfectly capable man with all of his limbs in tact to simply tell the truth and not COOK THE BOOKS, which he did, because he isn't brave enough to stand up and tell the president he isn't going to lie.
I do not see a whole lot of honor in the leaders of our military, from Colin Powell to every other tin soldier that Bush has propped up to lie for him until they simply could lie no more. Petraeus is just the latest Bush puppet. If he weren't, he wouldn't be in the position that he is in. Who told us that Petraeus was a man above question????? The man who lied us into this war in the first place. I'm sorry, but any man that Bush admires, immediately becomes suspect in my mind. ESPECIALLY any man that Bush insists that the rest of us have to admire.
Petraeus is stained by Bush's lies, and now he is stained by his own.
Admiral Fallon called General Petraeus an "asskissing little chickenshit". Why is no one attacking him?
Brit Hume Shit Fume.
When I was a kid in the 70's I thought that when I saw Brit Hume on ABC news: "Now, there is one terrific reporter."
30 years later, when I watch Brit Hume on Fox Lies: "Now, there is a guy who is comfortable with balls on his chin."
Enjoy the protein Brit, enjoy the protein.
Oh, for god's sake, can someone please answer this "poor General Petraeus, how dare they smear a military man" bullshit with something obvious?
If you took away the name Petraeus and replaced it with Oliver North, would anyone in the GOP bitch about it?
If you took away the name Petraeus and replaced it with Colin Powell, would anyone in the GOP bitch about it?
If you took away the name Petraeus and replaced it with General Zinni, would anyone in the GOP bitch about it?
If you took away the name Petraeus and replaced it with the name of a covert agent investigating missing WMDs, would anyone in the GOP bitch about it?
The Republicans have killed the careers of dozens of military men and women they disagreed with, but "how dare we say something mean about a military man!?!"
A Richard Head @ 9:
I feel more trickled ON and pissed on.
moveon wants GIs to be able to see their child's first step and hear their first word while Freedom Watch wants them deployed for 15 months at a time so the donor class can feel "butch" Fox's non stop Pravdaism is disgusting. Any company that buys ads on Fox needs to be boycotted
How low to accuse someone of something they are doing! I mean it might make them feel bad about doing. We can't have that!
I wonder if Juan was asked to turn in his "shill card" after the program?? He had better be careful, or he'll lose his seat to some other willing traitor, someone only too happy to sell this country down the river.
Talking about "Character Assassination," did anyone see the article about Fmr Mexican President Fox's book ? He said Bush was, "The Cockiest guy he ever met." He also said he has grade school level for speaking Spanish.
Juan made a helluva point, and it scared Brit Hume to death.
Republicans made the dirty game of politics even dirtier, when they embraced Karl Rove.
Democrats still happen to be smarter and quicker to evolve. We've figured out how to beat them at their own game.
The scuzz train never stops scuzzin...
Republicans
Republicans must think everyone has Alzheimer's disease. It is no wonder they will not support stem cell technology. They preach to the forgetful and depend of them to support their causes.
Not one of the outraging Republicans and the kiss ass Democrats came to the defense of John Kerry when they were "Shift Boating" him. I know my example was a talking point but it certainly applies.
One step better: MoveOn should not even be questioned for telling the truth. General David Petraeus is lying when he says the violence is down. He is lying when he says Al Qaeda is on the run and they have won over many Sunni leaders, when he knows he has paid for the alliances he has with the Sunnies.
When you have to change the rules for counting how a person is shot in the head, you are manipulating the source data, not reporting it. All this shit about dirtying Petraeus' name is a diversion designed to keep the public away from what Petraeus has done to present a favorable result of the surge. After seeing the previous link, are you still wondering what happen to the 19000 missing AKA rifles? It is time we stop the media and the Republicans from distorting the fact about this war. It is enough to have to watch are kids die for something that is not making us safer. Do we have ingest the lies that go with this phony war?
Joseph
How would you like to win dinner out with Brit Hume and his wife? Can you imagine? He'd set you straight, know-it-all that he is, about everything on the planet, and still keep that constipated look (mixed with incredulity at your stupidity), all night long. What a wanker. He's the biggest wanker on TV. (Even over William the Bloody-- he's just annoying, like a gnat.)
I do remember reading reports that the good general would not be giving his own report but that which had been doctored by the lying, cowards in the crime family. That was fact and that is why the good general was considered a tool of the liars who orchestrated this clusterf*ck in Iraq. The general is not the first to take criticism and he will not be the last. Those generals who do not dance to the lies of the delusional bubble boy in the WH have all been fired. Betrayus is obviously an ass kissing, boot licking, apologist, tool for the thugs in the crime family.
I am a veteran and I can tell you...generals get promotions and medals when there are wars. When there are no wars, they train and get not promotions or medals. Go figure.
HUME: Juan, they accused the guy of cooking the books. That’s not just raising questions about the policy.
Hmmm, yes it is Brit. If cooking the books is part of their policy.
Brit Hume... man of infinite mirth
The ad did not accuse Petraeus of cooking the books. The ad questioned whether or not Petraeus allowed himself to be used as a political pawn by Bush. And Petraeus obviously did which is not what we pay him to do.
Where are these holier then thou-ers when the
Swift Boaters were in full swing???? No where to
be seen. Scumbags with teary eyes. How sad
their beloved General Petraeus who is suchin' on
Bush's hind teet was called on his position. Betcha’
dollars to donuts the good General pulls a “GREENSPAN”
as soon as he General Petraeus leaves the service.
If Hume was in front of me I would spit in his big head face!
Darla @ 46:
The giggling murderer Bush speaks even a lower level of english.
So when does Juan grow a pair and actually bitch-slaps Brit Hume whenever he puts forward a factual basis for argument and Hume slaps it down?
I'd actually watch Fixed Noise if I could be guaranteed that Juan would actually stop being a House Negro and go off.
infotainment @ 36:
At least apes are more intelligent that the Reich-Wing swill who's spinning hypocritical talking points for the 30% still drunk on Bush's Kool-Aid.
Bobblehead Brit Hume is a prissy little bed-wetter.
And yes, Juan Williams is Colmes to Hume's Hannity. Not sure about "house negro", but it's close.
The funniest thing about the Republicans and Moveon is that very few people actually pay attention to Moveon. With the help of the Republicans, they get more free PR and advertising then they could ever dream of. Most people in the nation would probably have never seen or heard about the Moveon ad and probably fewer would have cared. Thanks to the Republicans, everyone now knows.
While I don't recall what the ad said and truly don't care, I find it shocking that the Republican view seems to be that Patraeus is surely the man to stand-up to Al-Quaeda, but has his feelings hurt from an ad.
In case you haven't heard or seen the Freedom Watch ad that links Iraq to 9/11, they tend to make themselves sound crazy without any assistance from anyone else.
You can't compare the two, one was simply an opinion of a group while the other was from a group that repeated a known lie.
I don't get Hume. Does he have an oil well in Iraq that he is trying to protect?
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Hume: (In an low evilesque soft voice.) "All I'm saying, Juan, is that they accused the guy of cooking the books..."
Juan: Well all I'm saying, Britt, is that my children can't watch their daddy on television because they're afraid you and William the friggin' bloody here are going to be under their beds at night.
My 13 year old daughter was interviewed by Fox News Channel at the Protest in DC on Saturday. He asked her for her name and where she was from then pulled out a copy of the MoveOn Ad and asked her opinion of it. She replied truthfully that she hadn't seen it before and didn't have an opinion. When they pressed her about whether it was OK she said "it may be true, I haven't read it. It may be what a lot of people think." I doubt we'll see it on FNC. We took her out of school on Friday to drive from Michigan to DC. It was our first DC protest. Hopefully, it will be the last we need to make, but I doubt it.
Fuck Brit Hume, from now until eternity. The phony and duplicitous outrage of that droopy Snoopy looking houndog is so played out it makes my freaking skin crawl every time I see it. Brit Hume is an irrelevant sack of goo. Period. Spread the word, maybe it will get back to him and he'll go away.
Interesting how Fox puts on this token liberal who might I add is black to represent a minority that already deserves skepticism from your everyday Fox news veiwer, then they always present him with a clumbsy argument in a patronizing mannor.
I think the conversation between Williams and Hume is exactly the reason why the ad was an incredibly stupid political mistake. Who is going to elect the next President? More than likely, the Independents. A majority of them hate the war, but they do not hate the troops, nor the officers that lead them. Many people in middle America do not vote on ideology or issues - they vote on perceptions. Kerry was swiftboated and Gore was smeared because they were candidates, and that is the name of the game. It is not the action - it is the reaction, and Kerry did not react nimbly to the lies. Now conservative mouthpieces like Fox and of course the Republicans are going to hit the NY Times ad time and time again during the crucial days leading up to the election. Bush is the President - make the ad about him, but not about one who has no choice but to obey the orders of the CIC. I'm not saying Petraeus is like Powell, but we will not know until the General resigns and "writes his book." I admire the passion of those who participate in groups like MoveOn, but they are not thinking strategically. Don't hand the Republicans any gifts, and I think that ad handed them a big one. The Bush administration has been masterful at using distractions to cover their asses - now they have another one. Not good - the 2008 election WILL be close.
What I find hard to believe is the hypocrisy of the Republicans. They're all up in arms about the MoveOn.org ad about Petraeus, but it was ok to slander the patriotism of John Kerry, Max Cleland, and even Republican John McCain. If the Republicans could lie about true war heroes, why can't the truth be told about Petraeus, who sold out members of the Armed Forces so he could get Republican support for a presidential run in 2012.
On a show that has Brittany and KKKristol, the only thing missing is a live grenade. These douche bags always act wounded when you point out the obvious facts. Like telling the truth is a heinous crime. [Deleted. Troll feeding-Sitemonitor]
And Britney Hume's concern is that of his beloved President's Hand picked
Generals honor. Bush and Brit care the least of honor for those as Colin Powell, CIA undercover op Valerie Plame. Britney Hume gave no respect to that of Admiral Fallon. You know, Petraeus' military superior. Fallon called Petraeus a "little chickenshit", and Britny Hume is silent. Why?
Britney Hume should return to the archives and redress the Swift Boaters. Moveon's AD is no where near that toilet scum.
Where is Brits honor? Working for FOX that lies to the public, provides media to swift boaters during a campaign, encourages false intell for a premise to pre empt war with Iraq and take America's focus off of Al Qeda. has Brit once reported on any, any war profiteering, repeated poor judgement of war policy? The man is like in the movie "Blade" Where the vampires have what they call as "Familiars" that do their bidding. Brit is a Bush Familiar.
Besides, Britny Hume left out an iteresting tidbit. It seems Bush went out and selected a General that happened to make public that he had ambitions to run for President in 2012. Now there is a non partisan non political Military man. And what makes Pettraeus abandon his own insurgency strategy book he wrote? Bush made the policy and told Petraeus to do. So the good General is applying Cheney's war strategy. Cheney thinks those 5 deferments makes him the military strategist that real Military people spend their lives learning and practicing.
He DID cook the books, scumbag. If you had a fucking news organization you would KNOW that.
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The world knows the books were absolutely cooked from this totally dishonest administration.
Petraeus "cooked the books" first when he claimed that the 'surge' was in any way sufficient to enable the kind of changes that they wanted to enable in Iraq, since he wrote the book on counter-insurgency, and the amount of soldiers in Iraq is woefully inadequate, by calculations made from his own writings. Humes's a putz, and so it Petraeus.
Ahaaa! Humes looks like he is about to cry and say, "Leave General Patraeus Alone!!"
Pence: “But, in point of fact, uh, Harry Truman did have nuclear weapons of mass destruction. He used them against the population in Japan.”
Wolf: “But that was in the forties. That was in the forties during the second world war.”
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