Giuliani Sr. campaign advisor smacked down by Contessa Brewer of MSNBC
By John Amato Saturday Sep 15, 2007 1:16pm
She's not even a major talk show host, but Contessa made Jim Dyke, (an advisor to Rudy) look like a fool. Giuliani is trying to fund raise and blur the problems for the GOP over the Iraq war by targeting MoveOn and Gen. Petraeus, but seemingly unknown to his camp, 52% of Americans have little or no confidence in the Petraeus report. (vid is a little out of sync. C&Lers are emailing a lot of clips now and some of them have great content, but iffy quality)
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Brewer:...so basically Hillary is lining up with more than half of Americans polled.
Dyke: Um, well for one thing it doesn't make it OK to call him a liar.
Brewer:...She didn't call him a liar..Wait, just to be clear here, she didn't call him a liar.
Dyke: Contessa, that's my interpretation and you can interpret how ever you want.
OK, if that's the benchmark Jim, the sky is green. They lie and lie and lie.
Hillary responds to the children:
"Rudy Giuliani is dropping in the polls and is unable to defend his own support for George Bush's failed war. Instead of distorting Senator Clinton's record in the campaign's first attack ad, the Mayor should tell voters why he thinks sticking with the Bush Iraq strategy makes sense. The country wants change and while Hillary Clinton is focused ending the war, Mayor Giuliani is playing politics."
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When all else fails resort to talking points...wow
She called him out on his lie because he WAS lying!
I am so sick of hearing the phrase "playing politics." The meaning of the word 'politics' has been so bastardized of late, it makes me a little sick to my stomach. There is this wide-spreading belief that politics is something apart from our daily lives, some removed level of society at which only politicians and lobbyists function. Politics is life. Using this phrase really cheapens the public discourse in general. We need to stop saying "playing politics" and be a lot more specific. Giuliani is "playing cronyism", for instance.
How dare Hillary speak the truth...she's clearly siding with the terrorists!
"no, i'm interpreting it because i'm an american"
How many General did Bush fire before he found one that supports his position? And to question any General that are supporting Bush stance at the moment are going to escape any scrutiny is one of many fantasy that the GOP have right now. I am not calling Petraeus a liar and yet he already has no credibility. The fact that he rose to a 4 star General all within the Bush term limits is also very questionable. He may be the only case scenario to do so within one president in power time table.
So then, according to that guy more than half of the American public are calling Patraeus a liar? So why then isn't he takin' it to the streets and choosing people off instead of limiting himself to dissing Hilary Clinton on TV?
kudos to Contessa
I interpret the English language as English. If you are a repug, you interpret as repug. I wish these guys would go back to school.
It's the war stupid!
So basically if you are a general, you cannot question their openions, their statements, their assements, and what comes out of their mouths.
Gee what could the reicht wing demonstrate any better what a great bunch of militarists they are.
I think I'm going to donate more money to Moveon.org ,,, this is gettting so good.
In the process of the continous talk about the MoveOn ad. more people will get to hear that the truth about Iraq's progress was told at the congressional hearing. So let them keep on doing MoveOn's advertising...it saves money.
might be a good idea to get the quote down right, before you accuse her of something, what a maroon.
i still don't get why the moveon ad seems so outrageous. seems very succinct and right to me. we are all saying it.
even the generals boss (a current military official), called him a chickenshit.
Without reading what was said by anyone i can tell that this guy is a moron. "...that’s my interpretation and you can interpret how ever you want."
When are these disgusting game players going to locate their shame?
Rudy said his experience as Mayor during 9-11 makes him qualified to be POTUS. My “interpretation” of that is that he is a cross-dressing thug that eats babies for breakfast. That’s not a lie. You can interpret his statement your way, I can interpret it mine. We don’t lie.
morons. dumpster diving for nuance.
So Rudy is getting "advise" from an inbred closet queen?
Am I the only one who sees this?
Dyke: It's disgusting for Hillary to call Gen. Petraeus a liar, and most americans would agree with me.
Brewer: She did not call him a liar, and most americans don't agree with you.
Dyke: Uh... uh... Terrorists! 9/11!
Geez, these wingnuts are dim bulbs. After Brewer finishes saying that most Americans agree that Petraeus' assessment is doubtful, Dyke then goes on to say that most Americans will agree with him about Hillary, who was not part of the ad, but expressed reservations about Petraeus testimony. In line with more than 50% of Americans.
How dumb can these wingnuts get? Is there lead in the wingnut water supply? Or is it just too many Hookah pipe tokes?
I thought it was an unspoken rule to not interfere or campagn against the other party's candidates before the primary? That we don't the Repugs trying to influence our choice and vice versa.
xoites defends Constitution @ 15:
Like saying "you can look at reality as reality, but I refuse to"
Looks like the moveon ad is what it took to get all their heads to explode! I personally find it all hilarious. The more they talk the more idiotic they sound. Good job Moveon!
With crackerjack staffing like that huckleberry, Hizzoner can start his new job search the day after the first primary.
I have to say, in these couple of years that I have been reading C&L, I have not been really disappointed. However today I am! I have looked here and many other sites (C&L's links to other blogs, google search, indymedia, etc...) and I have yet to see much posted on the war protest. I have seen more posted at Youtube than most blogs.
Now maybe I missed something in the past few days explaining why there is little coverage, but I would really, really appreciate it if anyone would post any info they might have on the protest. I have been searching the "Internets" to find info and like I said I found a few videos/discussions. I also suffered through a video of some "pro-war" activists and it was just scary. If you want to see what the pro-war people are like just do a search at Youtube for "protesting the kooks" and you will see what I did. It is sad to see fellow American speak about other Americans the way these people do, and it is sad that they can not organize a march for themselves. They just are "Riding on the Backs" of the organized protesters of the war.
Finally, I will say, the first place I thought of to express my disappointment with the "bloggers" coverage of the Sept. 15th protest was at C&L. The reason for this is because I believe that there are people here that really do care what their readers/viewers think or want. I also know that C&L readers/viewers help each other find the information others are looking for.... I can always find a good link in the comments sections. :)
The ambiguity that Jim Dyke wants us to have in order for this to be a huge negative for Hillary, Democrats, or MoveOn, is astonishing. The flat and plain fact of the matter is, Petraeus is not trusted by the American public anymore than his puppetmaster is. He tottered out to deliver the Bush message because if Bush delivers it it's not wanted, he got called on it, responded without a clue to questions as to whether we are or are not safer in the aftermath of the Sacking of Baghdad. Republicans are DETERMINED to tie the anvil of this war around their necks and go down to the bottom of the ocean with it.
But I sorely would enjoy getting one of these smarmy pricks out of their swiveled chairs and into the real world for just a few minutes. What an asshole. What a smarmy, evasive, oily jerk Dyke is.
GalfromCal @ 26:
Is the protest still happening (/sarcasm)? Last I heard, the city just a few weeks ago wrote an ordinance demanding that buses carrying protesters have permission stickers to enter D.C.
Fallon told Petraeus [in March] that he considered him to be “an ass-kissing little chickensh*t” and added, “I hate people like that”, the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/webb-fallon/
If Petraeus' own commander thinks he is an "ass kisser" and the American People observe the same thing; when will this back and forth stop?
We demand that General Fallon go before Congress to make this report. Why is his underling testifying supposed on HIS behalf to the Congress?
Call your representatives and demand to hear from General Fallon instead of Junion General Betray Us.
Otay @ 28:
A liar defends liar from being attacked by a liar that defends another liar.
Nice clip. Kinda has an MC Escher quality to it. Just doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.
Young republicans like this guy are simply sniveling, lying little weasels who have no qualms about misrepresenting the facts. They think that life is an opportunistic game; they lack the essential ingredient that all great leaders possess: wisdom.
God save us from these twits.
The frame for this is, of course, that Gen. Petraeus is also St. Petraeus, and his authority to channel the faith based delusions of George Bush makes him infallible, and so any objective criticism of him, by nature of its being critical and objective, is blasphemy.
Yellowbird,
I did understand there were more actions to follow the march. Iraqi Veteran against the war had mentions actions for this week. However, I was looking for any media I could find about the situation of those 198 protesters who were arrested on Saturday. Also, what people were saying about how many protesters showed up for the march.
You are probably right about the "blocking", I myself have experienced problems in Yahoo search, and Google search. Also, some of the liberal sites I visit will take much longer to boot-up. Maybe "Big Teleos" has already got there "internet tubes" restricted to the sites they choose.
Thanks for your reply Yellowbird
"I wunna beeleeve it bekause the Eeeslamik taraist have deeKlared wur on us!"
Another Bedwetter whose head exploded and who resulted to the same wingnut talking points once he was challenged with the facts. These nuts are becoming so tiresomely predictable.
I tried to send Brewer a note of thanks for this type of interview but was unable to find a link. If we had had more of this type of tough questioning three years ago there would be 3,500 less troop deaths
...Why don't Bedwetter pick up a rifle and go to the front lines to fight those "Islamic terrorists who have declared war on us"? He's of fighting age. Just another soft, pasty white conservative betwetter scared to death of the terrorist and even more scared to go to the front lines to "defend America" against them.
Ruthless People @ 34:
Why hasn't he enlisted? He looks a lot younger than a lot of the reservists that were called up.
Notice Jim's reflex reaction to being trapped in a corner by Contessa:
"No, I’m interpreting it because I’m an American. And the terrorists...the Islamic terrorists have declared war on us...."
WTF? Where did that come from?
I love me some Contessa..
Hillary is as unacceptable a candidate as Rudy!!
Hillary did call Patreaus a liar!!!
I can understand being upset because someone called a person a liar IF you don't think they are a liar. This guy didn't say anything about the truth of the general's statements. He's basically saying that you just shouldn't call someone a liar because it isn't nice, ESPECIALLY if they are a bigwig type dude. This just reminds me of a redneck in a schoolyard saying "you callin' me a liar?" and then pushing someone.
Clytemnestra @ 11:
You can't be questioned as long as you say what the Administration wants to here. Remember General Abizaid was CONSTANTLY second-guessed (until he was replaced). So the Nazi-stuff only works as long as the General tows the party line....
Alecia @ 13:
That's what cracks me up about Fox's incessant bitching about MoveOn and DailyKos. All they're doing is giving those sites millions of dollars worth of free publicity; publicity that is virtually impossible to secure outside of the left-wing blogosphere.
So yep. Let 'em keep spreading the word about these sites and let 'em keep (inadvertantly) opening right-wing eyes to the lies and crimes of their own Administration.
That was a Sr. campaign advisor speaking? Sounded like an amateur to me. A rather clueless amateur.
First, what's up with betray-us hair? That swirl ain't working for me.
betray-us is a liar, but Sen. Hillary is disagreeing. repugs never make sense, especially when it come to rudy.
Also polls should include the demographic, the sample amount and the rate of error. Otherwise it's pure-T bullshit.
First, what's up with betray-us hair? That swirl ain't working for me.
betray-us is a liar. Sen. Hillary is disagreeing and is allowed that response. repugs never make sense, especially when it comes to rudy.
Also polls should include the demographic, the sample amount and the rate of error. Otherwise it's pure-T bullshit.
Travis @ 3:
I think they mean when betray-us uses lies for the sake of the repug party. Or when chimpy places repugs flunkies into top spots for his backward political gain (yes men.)
What a stupid douchebag.
Petraeus lied his ass off. He should be prosecuted for perjury, stripped of his rank and dishonorably discharged.
Roket @ 44:
Yeah, and from his last statement on the vid you can sure tell WHO'S clueless amateur he is...
"b-b-but-but-but...THE TERRORISTS!"
Hillary DIDN'T CALL HIM A LIAR DOUCHE BAG!!!! But, me, I'll call him a fucking liar.
xoites defends Constitution @ 15:
lol
Otay @ 28:
We are gathering some video on this. We can only do so much...I'm trying to find video that actually shows there were five times the amount of Anti-Iraq protestors than the Malkinites...CNN blurs that distinction. And the comment section does provide valuable info that I can't get to.
Hillary called Petraeus a liar because I said she did. And you'd better not disagree with me, or you're part of the liberal media! WAAAAH!!!
jim dyke is just another gop reichwingnut neocon wanker who has not served in the military. he is just a slime pussy who hides behind his and the gop's lies. if you notice like alot of low inteiiigence people in the gop, they resort to shouting, because shouting always makes you right. fuck you, you ass sucker.
"A couple of things" = I have nothing, so I'll raise my voice and start ranting. Stuff a rag in it pal.
jkb @ 50:
I don't now if I'd say liar. A truth stretcher, creative, a shill, somewhat spineless in the politcal arena (but he is a military guy-- it's not his job to "do" Washington.) That's the mistake right there. This wasn't his job. It's the Decider's job (amongst his many jobs, as he's wont to remind us, ad nauseum) to sell the war.
"The terrorists, er, the Islamic terrorists have declared war on us."
Jim Dyke is a useless tool.
Characters such as Jim Dyke remind me of the creepy kids in high school who attempted to ingratiate themselves with the power cliques by spreading nasty rumors about other students.
Some things never change.
Straight Shooter @ 58:
Most of Washington reminds me exactly of that!!!
Really, only liars need to give UNSWORN testimony.
And only ENABLERS ...'forget' to swear him in.
Jim Dyke and Rudy cut from the same clothe... both
dishonest scumbags! Jim is a swift boater and distorter
of fact.
Man, Rudy's people must be programmed to either say 9-11 (I think actually only he can say that) or "Islamic Terrorists"...Yeah Rudy, go away, please.....and can his head guy be any LESS photogenic...pig man, seriously, is he right from Seinfeld...
Interesting that Rudy found someone more inept than himself to run his campaign. And as far as Petraeus is concerned, he made the choice to be used as a political tool in spite of having sworn to protect and defend. That makes him a liar on so many levels that he no longer has even a shred of creditibility or honor.
I think the term "smacked down" is being used a little too generously.
Good lord, what is wrong with this man's nostrils? Genetics or bad nose job?
Bush finally found a General who would lie when others wouldn’t.
“The President is holding our Soldiers hostage to his ego."
- Major Gen. Paul Eaton. (Former Iraq War Commander)
"The President vetoed our troops and the American people. His stubborn commitment to a failed strategy in Iraq is incomprehensible.”
- Major Gen. John Batiste. 2nd Highest Ranking Military Official in Iraq
“US Can't Win Iraq War Because Most Iraqis Oppose US Troops”
- Lt. Gen. Robert Gard
"The military in Iraq are resolving nothing."
- General Wesley Clark
have you ever seen such an idiot? I can't believe this guy. The facts are not the facts anymore to the republicans. their talking points are their facts. These guys are the biggest liers in the planet!!!!!
First, what's up with betray-us hair? That swirl ain't working for me.
betray-us is a liar. Sen. Hillary is disagreeing and is allowed that response. repugs never make sense, especially when it comes to rudy.
Also polls should include the demographic, the sample amount and the rate of error. Otherwise it's pure-T bullshit.
I am so weary of these lying, dissembling..........
LOL,
This guy says He believes Hillary Clinton called Petraeus a "LIar" because he is an American?
He looks young in age. This might be evidence that no "No Child Left Behaind Act" is not working and actually failed this kid. Perhaps a 4 year couse with the Army in Iraq could educate him. What do you think.?
His extremely weak phallacious implication is you are unamerican if you do not interpret hillary's sceptical statement as an unequvical accusation that patreaus is a liar. You are also unamerican if you do not believe we are at war because terrorists attacked us and killed 300 times less people then our honorable army and infallable president has in his occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
It's about time that Democrats stop sugar coating it. When these Republicans lie call them liars. The whole country knows that the GOP is infested with pathological liars ,so what is the political risk in calling them out. The last 12 yrs have shown us that civility is a waste of time with NeoCons. You have to use small words like "liar" to reach their reptilian brain. A good bitch slap can help too.
Who are you calling a liar? Finally have you fuckers CORNERED, huh?
jr @ 8:
I know this is totally off the subject, but she's a babe.
I think Hillary's reply misses a fun nuance. She should call Rudy "former" mayor or "ex" mayor. He did, after all, take a flier at staying in office and postponing the election.
MoveOn is the perfect strawman for Rudi.
Contessa Brewer can slap me down anytime she wants, repeatedly.
"Islamic terrorists.. She called him a liar..". Where did Ghouliani pick up Pig-nose boy anyhow? He's a keeper!! Those talking points are dead on, well dead at least.
"we can debate the wording of it" in typical repube fashion, take a part of a sentence and forget the rest. i have yet to see MSM play the remainder of her question. clinton went on to list all the other recent reports that state pretty much the polar opposite of what the general and administration have claimed. she lined up an impressively damning string of reports that have seemingly fallen to the side of the debate. we need to be debating these reports from a variety of organizations that are not basically rating their own mission statusas is the case with the general.
These right-wing mouthpieces have learned that they can interrupt, snort and act incredibly rude and disrespectful, and while that may have once gotten you banned from these shows, it sure doesn't anymore.
I mean, let's not forget. These guys are like paid assassins. Their job is to get the talking points out and muddy the debate AT ALL COSTS. So they don't care if they come off as evil weasels... as long as they can continue to mindf*ck the base and that tiny number of undecideds who just aren't prepared to defend against the Propaganda Catapult.
... oh, and I concur. Contessa Brewer is a stone cold fox.
What a dirty, filthy little campaign manager Rudy has in his camp, stirring up even more RW Bible-belting hatred of Islams and lies about 9-11.
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