Talk about the demise of a Straight Shooter named McCain on MTP
When facts and fiction meet on Meet The Press. Arlen Parsa caught McCain not being honest with Russert about the statements Gen. Jones made on MTP about his Iraq Report. McCain keeps screaming " The SURGE IS WORKING," but there is no political progress so the surge has failed in its purpose and that's what Jones said. But not according to McCain.
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John McCain incorrectly claimed that General Jones did not conclude in his recent Iraq report that political reconciliation needed to happen before a drawdown in violence can be achieved:
MCCAIN: Tim, I’ve known Jim Jones for 30 years. That’s not what he’s saying.
Let's go to the video tape. There's a mash up of two MTP segments. You never see Russert cut off a quest to make a point, but he did to the straight shooter because he wasn't shooting straight. (Sorry, I had to say it.)
September 9th: MR. RUSSERT: … The president has been saying we need to have security on the ground before we can have political reconciliation. And you’re saying, your commission, “No, no, no. You need to have political reconciliation. You need to have the Shiites and the Sunnis to put their guns down, put their arms down and come together as a country before we could ever possibly secure the nation.” Fair?
GEN. JONES: Fair. Our, our report started out with that assertion, and it closed with that assertion, that that is, that is the most important thing. Obviously both—you want both. But if, if we were to pick one or the other, which one is more critical, we think the reconciliation is absolutely the key to measurable and rapid progress. I think once you have that the, the, what’s likely to happen in Iraq is very encouraging.
White IS Black. What the Fuck is wrong with you people!!!!!!!!! - John McCain
"when fact is fiction and TV reality"...
Senile Dementia is McCain's main problem! This guy is certifiably nutso.
I used to like McCain, back when he was a straight talking truthful guy ... now, suddenly he has become a toadie.
He is acting toward us like bush does, like we're all empty headed like bush. It's over John, the people have spoken, you guys know what America wants. You slipping back to the level back when you went down and kissed Falwells ring.
Anyway, john as the saying goes ...Fuck you.
McInsane thinks he's on some new fictional "Raiders of the Lost Ark". I guess all of that torture did something to the synaptic activity of his brain. He's reaching the point of being totally "braindead".
Just goes to show, lying is the default position of any Republican these days. It doesn't matter if it's patently untrue and easily demonstrated as patenly untrue as in this case or even whether or not it's necesarry. It's become reflexive with them. So much for "xtian principals"
Sha-na-na-na Hey-Hey-Hey Good-bye! That will be the song within the next couple of weeks as McCain places yet another nail in the coffin of his campaign. Just when you thought he'd reached the nadir of stupidity, he outdoes himself with yet another low reached. This guy is off in lalaland somewhere. Sad, but true.
After McCain got thumped by Bush in the debates, he's become a pissant poodle of the Bully.
appropriate that the bus is no longer the straight talk express....it's now the never surrender bus......if you speak repuglican that translates into lie, deny and flip flop at all costs.....which is exactly what McCain has been doing.
Oh damn. There must be some mistake. Are you sure that video of Jones is legit? Maybe McCain had his fingers crossed. Ever think of THAT? You probably can’t reach him right now to ask him because he went on a shopping trip to Baghdad.
Johnny "walnuts" McCain is a very desperate man--he's not able to raise any new money, he's s broke and he should just hang it up. It is all over for him--his time came and went back in 2000.
He has backed himself into a corner by marching in lockstep with Bush/Cheney and he wonders why his campaign can't get any traction--More War! is not a popular campaign theme this election cycle.
John, just retire and go back to Arizona.
My mother is in her 6th year since being diagnosed with dementia and still makes more sense than McCain. This man is desperate and has completely lost it. He's an insult to thinking people. That would count out the conservatives.
I actually feel bad for the guy. He was always such an admirable person. He was a straight shooter. I actually hope he just gets confused and doesn't know what he is talking about, it is better than to think that he has sold his soul to the devil for a shot at at the presidency.
Johnny stepped out of the "Straight Talk Express" long back and hopped on the "Faustian Bargain with Bush" reverse drive mobile.
doesn't the network that airs this program have the technology to go to their archives - while the saint is still on - let russert say 'my producers have a clip of gen. so and so' -- run clip, ask mccain what is it he doesn't understand about what his old buddy is saying? seems like they could do that.
Did somebody from C&L or MtP send a copy of the tape to mccain? He won't believe it otherwise.
Why doesn't mccain just go away, already? His sucking up to the cheney/bush administration is getting tiresome. You think a guy with his history as a POW would have had enough of bloodshed already - or is he, in his less lucid moments, imagining that the Muslims are the Vietcong?
Look. Granted he's off his frickin rocker on Iraq and I'm not trying to give him a pass and he deserves to be confronted hard on this. Bottom line here though is that McCain is a genuinely good guy who suffered and sacrificed greatly for his country. A lot of nutbags deserve to be laughed at and derided but to me this isn't funny, pleasing or good fodder for derision. I may get sh*t for it but its just very sad to see. Very sad. Its obvious that something's not right with him and I, for one, won't pile on.
And people i know used to talk about voting for this idiot. We are becoming a nation of brain-dead saps.
Sad seeing McCain going completely senile.
Johnny2Bad @ 17:
Ok, but he is still too off his rocker to run for President or at least he has to be called on his words. He IS running for POTUS. Feel sorry for him all you want but until he is sitting in a rocking chair witling he needs to be called out.
Bush must really have the goods on McCain, otherwise
I just don't understand this kind of crap.
Captain Kangaroo @ 20:
I think I said that (let me just check)...Yep, I did.
jimt @ 18:
Connecticut and Arizona got what they voted for. Not all but they deserve some of the blame. AZ needs to quite acting like a retirement home. PA was even smart enough to vote Santorum out.
Burn!
Apparently McCain is getting a bit old in the brain. It's time to retire.
Operation Pass the Buck is in full swing - It doesn't matter what any republican says these days and they know it, hell they could even say that prominent family values GOP senators are having random gay sex in airport mensrooms and it wouldn't sound too far fetched.
ANY talking point will do just as long as chumps like Tim Russert let them on the air to spew it, it just has to conform to a few key ideas - lies, confusion, and fear:
1) use the assumption that the 'war' is not lost (lies)
2) waiting out a bad situation is the best way to make it better (confusion)
3) America is doomed if we leave before January 09 (fear)
This disgusting little display by McCain is of the #2 variety.
Sorry old John, you've become irrelevant! And also Reaganesque--ie. sleepy, boring, and smiley. Can anyone, anymore, imagine him as a President? The man with all the facts, and with practical, reasonable ideas was Kerry---but that too has gone by.
"I think it is tme that we stopped beating this dead horse."
Signed,
Everyone Who Ever Believed in John Mc Cain
Wow...the Republicans we able to do what the Viet Cong never could...break a once honorable American through torture.
Make him sell out his own people too, wow...the repugs got some torture skills. Must be from starting young with animals and schoolmates. Death to bullies!
I think John McCain became a Baptist about the same time that he took that casual shopping trip through a Baghdad market. That's when the straight talk express went off the road and hit a tree.
Are we allowed to "straight talk" on this thread?
McCain was a below-average student who went to Vietnam, apparently dropped some bombs on some villages, got his @$$ shot down, and spent 5 years as a P.O.W.
Then he came back to America, and, if I've got this right, he became a politician, ran for president in 2000 and promptly got derailed so badly by the "Karl Rove Express" he wouldn't even stand up for his own family.
And now he expects us to believe he's America's #1 tough guy?
McCain thought he could run on Iraq is working because Bush did not surge troops. Bush screwed him and surged troops. Now McCain owns the defeat.
LOL.
McCain's position on Iraq has been "consistent" and "honorable"? What the fuck is wrong with these talking heads? Why can't someone just come out on TV and say that McCain is a joke and a totally irrelevant? Why do they water everything down?
Layne @ 32:
Consistent and honorable - wrong.
Go away, John. It's one thing to be a sell out. It's quite another to be a pathetic sell out.
McCain's appearance was pathetic. I am convinced that Republicans recieve training on how to handle a debate and that training includes constantly interrupting their counterpart, even if it's just incessant whining like we see here. I have been seeing this since the 2000 election cycle. The objective isn't to argue a particular point, it's to stop the other party from arguing theirs.
It's the same strategy the Republicans use in elections. They know they can't win elections on the merits of their platform, so they seek to prevent the opposition from voting, or having their votes counted.
A lawyer I know says, "If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. If you have the law on your side, argue the law. If you have neither, bang the table." The Republicans have done nothing but bang the table for the last several years now. It's really pretty sad.
It takes one to know one, and trust me, McCain never was a straight shooter.
McLame has evolved into one sick, crazy, dilusionall fool.
Or has he always been a sick, crazy, dilusionall fool but kept it well hidden?
President PNACcio @ 35:
Did you see that evil sick wench Elizabeth Dole on Tim Russerts show right before the 06 elections? Well all she did was interrupt and act like a fool.
motorfingaz @ 37:
Anyone who thinks that McCain has ever been a reasonable person only needs to talk with many of the people from Arizona. He has pretty much always been a ruthless thug that should never have held public office. Just the sort that Republicans like and this is probably why he has been re-elected in that Republican majority state. Next time you drive through, stop off on any Native American Reservation and ask how they feel toward McCain. It would be particularly revealing if you happen to have the chance to meet some of the many who have been beat up by McCain thugs during election season.
orion @ 3:
Yep, McCain has been off his hinges for some time now.
What difference does it make how many years he's known Jim Jones have to do with what Jim Jones is saying? Grand-daddy McCain is simply showing us that he is forgetful enough to run the White House as good as it's being run today.
The other thing that McCain does that gets on my nerves is that he is constantly trying to inject into the conversation how "I've been saying since 2002...or 2003...or 2004..." how we had the wrong strategy etc. Like all the other conservatives who are feverishly writing their books in an attempt to distance themselves from the stench of this administration and their policies it was ALWAYS somebody else's bad idea and "I" said so at the time. bullshit I remember the original "straight talk" campaign very well and it was a scam back then as well. It's been my experience that people who talk straight don't have to constantly announce it. What exactly has McCain done that's so admirable? His Viet Nam experience was tragic of course, but the cold, hard truth is he (and we) shouldn't have been flying fighter jets over that country in the first place. harsh but true
Mccain sold his soul to the Rovies. He didn't defend his wife's honor and is shilling for a war that keeps GIs away from their families for 15 months at a time. He'll do anything to appease the Cheetoan chattering classes of mouth-breatheria
johnny 2 bad at 17
i know exactly how you feel. i feel the same way about mccain, colin powell, petraus and all of the military that are with this.
you think we feel betrayed. how do the real patriots in the military feel? lots worse i'm sure.
Sen. McCain = greasy little scum bag
Sen. Kerry = stuffed lifeless puppet
Great to have two prominent leaders of this country helping us out with our war against Bush.
the straight talk express is now the bullshit shuttle. sort of odd how bush has once again ruined McCain's chance at being president. and his recent appearance on MTP only made him look like a hissy fit nit wit. but in true repube form, say a lie often enough and it seems like the truth even if only to the person saying it.
McCain has a problem. Like all Repugs, he habitually misstates the facts, and the Spin of, "that might be what he said but this is what he really MEANT..." is starting to ring hollow with so many Kool Aid addicts kicking their habits.
McCain's tactic of "Lie, lie, lie, and if that don't work lie some more" is getting stale.
why is this complete sellout whore getting so much airtime? ohh I forgot, its Russert's show, another deluded reporter so cozy with the bush administration that his lips are still sore from all the anus rimming he does. Thats right Little Russ, wash out that mouth of yours.
Sorry folks, but that cheap reporter is nothing more than a low-grade whore working for the elite...No moral compass whatsoever. Need to start targeting these losers for what they truly are...enablers of the cess pool in Washington.
How could anybody possibly trust a Reslug. that lies right to your face over and over??
McCain lives in an alternate universe where what he believes is his reality... oh wait a minute...!
This little science experiment fascinates me!
"How long can a bus go with two tires gone, riding on the rims, a gas leak, swerving to and fro, flipping and flopping all over the road, going around in circles, black exhaust spewing out, bare rims throwing out sparks, muffler dragging on the road...."
State Trooper: "Pull over Mr. McCain! It's over!"
McCain: "There aint no turnin back now! I'm takin this sumbitch to Mexico!!!"
this is sad.
John McCain is a good man who endured hell on earth as a POW.
more than many/most of us would have survived (physically and/or emotionally).
now he is appearing so desperate that he just makes stuff up on the spot with a camera rolling.
it seems obvious that his ego is now flying the plane.
When McCain wouldn't defend his own family from attacks from Bush and the Republician Party in 2000 he lost any chance of doing anything. He has been licking the parties hand for years now and all they want is a worthless old mayor, an ex gov with magic long underwear, and a slowly dying actor. Even in that crowd John is lost.
Who in the hell do you people think you are. Talking as if any of you have ever had the courage that John McCain has and had. Shame on all of you.You are the reason this country is going to hell so much talk and trying to belittle a person. You all disgust me and this is our future generation. God help us!
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