September 18, 2007 09:25 PM
Fred Thompson: "Give her jail time"
Since Anna Quindlen's piece came out asking "How much time should she do?", it looks like Fred Thompson apparently has an answer for that.
The presidential candidate was asked that very question while in Iowa last week, and answered that women shouldn't be criminalized if seeking abortion under the first three months of pregnancy. That's right, just the first three months. You second and third trimesters can all rot in jail.
He also said, authorities "can do whatever they want to with abortion doctors, as far as I'm concerned," but "if it comes down to giving criminal sanctions to a 19-year-old girl and her mama, I'm against that." Such consideration!
You got to love that compassionate conservatism, doncha?
He's taking a long time to finish driving off of that cliff.
Say what you will, but I'm proud for him for having answered it. It may make him look like an a**hole, but he didn't (wasn't smart enough to) avoid the question.
so what the abortion lobbiest. i think that anyone who work or lobby for abortion right crowd should go to jail and rot there, don't you agree frederick of hollywood. by the way, did you lobby for an abortion right group once. so, being the honorable man that you are, who is against abortion, you would walk staright into a jail cell soon?
Fucking, smelly, senile TROGLODYTE SCUMBAG!!!!
A complete blithering idiot. Not even necessary to mention he's a Republican.
david @ 2:
That's like saying you are proud of Bush for being an idiot. Proud?
sorry. got carried away. just say Troglodyte.
Isn't he looking much more cadaverous since he announced?
Don't worry about Fred. I mean look at the guy, he looks like he's going to buy the farm any minute. If he makes it to primary day I'll be surprised.
“if it comes down to giving criminal sanctions to a 19-year-old girl and her mama, I’m against that.”
So Hollywood Fred doesn't think that abortion is murder. That's good to know.
Now, can the rest of the Republican field answer this question for us? It'd be good to know which ones are going to throw women and their doctors in jail, and which ones are just going to throw the doctors in jail.
"i think that anyone who work or lobby for abortion right crowd should go to jail and rot there"
Some say that those who are most fiercely anti-abortion have mommies who told them on a daily basis as kiddies that she wished they'd never been born.
Explains their fury.
The reich wing social conservative platform:
1) Jail women who have an abortion.
2) Take the negro to the tallest tree.
3) Beat the queers senseless, tie em to a fence and leave em for dead.
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yeah, he's an idiot, but believe me, statements like this will resonate with the conservative press, and therefore, at least a significant chunk of people. any time they can talk about the same old crap in slightly new terms, the whole conservative noisosphere gets a big old hard-on. they have wood for ol'yeller in this case, for sure. willful disregard of law in favor of cons? check. complete lack of logic? check. hypocrisy? check. this guy has lobbied for abortion rights! doesn't matter at all. as long as he "talks tough" against defenseless people, its perfectly OK to advocate for the acquittal or pardon of scooter libby, while also disregarding the basic human rights of medical professionals. that is just what these motherfuckers want to hear!
Obviously, he's pandering to his base here. He doesn't have a chance in hell anyway.
BTW, I'm pro choice, but yeah, if you wait until the third trimester to have an abortion, go rot. That's just monstrous.
Keep showing your ignorance Fred. You'll make the perfect republican nominee for the presidency of the U.S..
And judging by the ignorance of many of the American people, you'll get elected!!
Majority of House GOP endorse Thompson for president Twenty of the 37 state House Republicans today will announce they are endorsing former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson in the GOP presidential primary. "I am proud to lend my support to Senator Thompson in this campaign," said Republican Floor Leader Jeff Hoover of Jamestown. "Kentuckians can rest assured that this is a man who shares our Kentucky values and will take them to Washington as he leads our nation in these turbulent times."
Ruthless People @ 8:
That current freak in the White House did. Why not Thompson?
Japandrew @ 7:
Yeah, he is. He's either got advanced cancer or he's losing weight for the campaign. Whatever, he doesn't look good.
Yer fer it urr agin' it! Feritaginit! Fer it! Agin it! Fergin'itferit!
Lucy B @ 18:
Being a cantankerous old bastard takes a toll on ya after a while.
oh goodie, i get to be the first to say it in this thread...
TIME TO GET OUT THE COAT HANGERS LADIES!!!
Thompson looks like death warmed over.
BTW, I’m pro choice, but yeah, if you wait until the third trimester to have an abortion, go rot. That’s just monstrous.
How very un-pro-choice of you.
I pray you or someone you care about never has to deal with a pregnancy that turns into a crisis in that third trimester.
When a woman exercises her choice is nobody's damn business but hers. Or that's how it should be, at least.
Fred Thompson is one uuuuuuuuuugly M.F.!
I guess if a babbling giggling murderer could get elected in the audio/visual age so can this lying ugly babbling fool.
But he didn't answer the tough question that they never think through: specifically, how much time for having an "illegal" abortion? Five to ten years? Twenty to thirty years? Life without parole?
Fuck You Fred.
Soulless frat boys and senile old actors are natural leaders of the GOP base.
I don't think men with broken weenies should offer their opinions on abortion.
Otay @ 22:
Minus the warmed over.
Let me see, abortion is murder. And it would have to be premeditated which would make it 1st degree murder. We will have to use the death penalty to defend the sanctity of life.
I thought he was the lazy one, turns out he's the crazy one.
Shared Humanity @ 30:
...and serial abortionists are definitely up shit's creek.
Philosophically speaking if they can't choose when to have abortions, woman are essentially locked up for 9 months. Like a house-arrest.
Bla Bla Bla. You can't even have tests to see if your baby is o.k. until 4 months. If you are going to have a very sick or retarded child you should be able to have an abortion. If not, then all the people who do not believe in abortion should have their names put on a list, and when the baby is born, give the baby to the next person on the list.
By the way 1 out of every 5 women that have an abortion are pro life. BUT their story is always the EXCEPTION, like it will interfere with my college, I don't want to raise my baby alone, I have too many children. Yep, they are SPECIAL, they are DIFFERENT from other people. When abortion is illegal, only the elite will have abortions.
Go Fred Zombie Go!
This guy is dumber than a sack of diapers. He's perfect for the GOP! And these inbred supporters don't really care, "He duddnt have to know shit how to run this cuntry. He's a straight talker and dudnt give a shat. hyuck hyuck."
Blue Buddha @ 32:
...and I wonder how long it will take for women who had their "tubes cut" to be declared as "serial abortionists".
There is just not enough hate on the planet for these Republicans. They want more.
I love his repeated use of "Mama", which is even phonier than Bush's Texas accent. All the more pathetic when you consider that Grandpa Fred actually is from the South, not a priveleged east coast blue-blood like Bush.
Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.
From 1973 through 2002, more than 42 million legal abortions occurred.
WHO HAS ABORTIONS
Fifty-two percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are younger than 25: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and teenagers obtain 19%.
Two-thirds of all abortions are among never-married women.
On average, women give four reasons for choosing abortion.
Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals;
three-fourths say they cannot afford a child;
three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents;
and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner
In 2001, the cost of a nonhospital abortion with local anesthesia at 10 weeks’ gestation ranged from $150 to $4,000, and the average amount paid was $372.
In nonhospital facilities offering mifepristone for use in medication abortion in 2001, the average cost of a medication abortion was $490.
From: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
xoites defends Constitution @ 36:
Hopefully, like oil, hate is a finite resource.
Now if there was only a way to convert hate into an alternative source of energy...
i love that photo of Fred T. he looks amazingly like Homer Simpson.
except Homer is smarter than Fred.
joe in oklahoma @ 40:
"mmmmm... donuts."
That's a policy I can live with.
Blue Buddha @ 39:
Hopefully not. Ours would be the first planet to go Super Nova, a privellege usually reserved for stars.
Yeah, Fred, Lets go back to the good ole' days when moral standards were high and society would never tolerate legal abortions by medical professionals. Make those young ladies pay for their moral indiscretions by subjecting them to the risk and humiliation of treatment by back-alley abortionists. That'll solve the problem.
Where has that mans finger been and why is he smiling?
neverbeenfooled @ 43:
While we are at it, let's bring back The Magdalene Laundry.
If you have not seen the movie you should.
I gotta admit that "Hollywood Fred" looks pretty darn good for a corpse.
If Fred wants to put someone in jail, he should lock up the man who put his penis inside the woman. Why is he even talking about a "girl and her mama"?
If abortion needs to be punished, I propose it should only be the men who impregnated the women who are punished. I'm guessing the air would be sucked out of the anti-choice debate faster than you can say jack-off.
Fred needs to call in the SVU unit to investigate the GOP.
MT @ 48:
So that's how that works! Thanks!
piece of scum
I can only think of a few legitimate reasons to get an abortion after the third trimester, though I don't agree with Thompson's more harsh viewpoint.
xoites defends Constitution @ 36:
They are the descendants of kings and queens.
E Ryno @ 53:
Exactly what the founding fathers did not want, hereditary rule.
Palooka @ 52:
Hopefully we can spend the rest of our existence arguing about abortion and the war on drugs.
I secretly want all of your children addicted to drugs and I hate your freedumbs.
The democrats are soft of defense and the GOP are for family values when they aren't blowing each other in the airport stalls or seducing under age men in chat rooms.
Bush believes in Jesus and plays cowboy at his fake ranch for all the American rubes.
Textron in Dallas manufactures cluster bombs that blow the limbs off of palestinian children working in the olive groves. The CEO brushes his teeth before taking his sorority sweetheart to the opera in Dallas.
Traffic is bad on I-35 . . . . all the Mexican trucks . . . . and there's been so much rain lately.
Fred Thompson: I think abortion is a crime.
Q: How long of a sentence should someone get for committing this crime?
Fred Thompson: “if it comes down to giving criminal sanctions to a 19-year-old girl and her mama, I’m against that.”
QED: Fred Thompson is soft on crime!
E Ryno @ 53:
If half of what we suspect from current evidence is true, they're more self-loathing queens than "kings." If you know what I mean.
I am a lib, but unless it can be proved that the baby will be very sick, if you can't decide to have an abortion in the first trimester you probably should not be permitted to have an abortion in the second and third.
TC-14 @ 47:
LO(F-ING)L!
is fred really married to his 14 year old niece?
I'm a liberal and all but some of you are very ignorant when it comes to abortion and comments like, that people should rot in jail is just stupid if you are against people having an abortion in 2-3 trimester. Having an abortion in the second and third trimester is to me is wrong. If you are going to get an abortion you should get it as soon as possible.
FUCK ME RUNNING! Thanks C&L...I'll be sleeping with the lights on for weeks because of that pic.
I think he looks like one of the smiling Gentlemen in the "Hush" episode of "Buffy".
Japandrew @ 7:
Good observation,
If there's ever an "Old Frankenstein" movie made you know Fred's got the gig...
1. for those of us old enough to remember, the pic with this story makes Captain Lazyass look like Peter Boyle in "Young Frankenstein."
2. by winking at first trimester abortions, Freddie T is gonna piss off thousands of fundie would be base members, meaning the truly weirdo fundies are gonna gravitate toward Huckabee or Brownback, if not pump some life back into Saint McCain's once Flagging Campaign and Bad Medicine Show. Better still, maybe they'll go off the board and draft Pat Robertson. Oh my, can you say three way tie for third place?
Fred will do anything to get the gravity denier vote. He talks about spreading freedom while having a Salazar of Portugal Christian theocracy here
Man, this guy looks like he's not gonna make it to the Primaries. I'll bet Ghouliani's just praying that Frederick of Hollywood kicks off. If that picture's any indication, he may just get his wish.
This anarcho syndicalist trembles as I await Ol' Yellers opinion on queers, blacks and immigration. What could it be?
so I have to ask...does it bother anyone but me that the this man that looks like the Walking Cadaver is making decisions about who should suffer and go to jail ....because of the ever over exploited "Life" issues?.....( hell, he does look so much worse)
Yeah, because an Abortion is such a liberating procedure. Like all those who walk out of Planned Parenthood with their heads held high. I see "I got an Abortion" t-shirts all over the place.
Women have the right to do it, so what? The State has no place getting involved in such affairs. Abortion is a wedge non-issue, the Chimplike Emperor has done anything about it. And besides, "poor people" need them so desperately, right?
The whole thing is a Cognitive Dissonance Mindfuck.
Bush can invade two countries, kill a million civilians, and spend over a trillion dollars doing it, all while Cheney and his buds go about their looting, and yet Bush can't shut down Planned Parenthood. I guess lazy ol' Fred Thompson will the man to get the job done? GEORGE SATAN BUSH did nothing, but look out, Thompson is coming!!!1 oh noes!! lawl... yeah right, what a joke. Abortion isn't going anywhere.
Fred knows alot about woman's rights as he has a wife that's young enought to be his daughter and yes two small children. Busy old man with viagra working over time, no wonder he's looks like he's dying. Now laws are often changed when an elected official has his/her child with a problem. Will Fred allow his young wife to have an abortion if it means her life or the child. If she is raped would he welcome the child of a rapist in his life. Most likely friend would do what other rich people have done and send the wife to England to take care of the problem. Then come home like nothing ever happen. As for woman who aren't rich well it's always the hangers again.
New Republican standards for law and order: It's okay to rob the bank of the first $5,000, we'll just take it out of the bank tellers' paychecks. Those mean old Liberal Jewish bank tellers who want to ruin our Christian Nation! But we're not going to give criminal sanctions to an un-aborted baby and his daddy.
Give me some of that good old Republican moral absolutism. Where did THAT go?
Oh yeah... I know where it went.
It went towards absolute tax cuts for the rich and absolutely no bankruptcy for the poor.
Japandrew @ 7:
Dorian Grey syndrome
LOL! What a bunch of whining little feminazis.
Fred has said several times the issue must be left up to the states...but, that doesn't stop you twits from working yourselves up into a full lather under your chin now does it.
Maybe we should have Massachusetts, Vermont or some other treasonous state pass legislation that offers all abortion before late term is great since you ask for so much time to make up your little minds. Then late term could be defined as the 56th decamester....anytime before the kid reaches 18 and you can kill him legally by any means you happen to have at hand. We see and hear a lot of that going around anyway. Would 18 years and nine months be enough time?, I mean we wouldn't want to unduly rush your decision. We could call it the Darwin's Nominee's Law.
Winghunter @ 76:
Maybe we should have Massachusetts, Vermont or some other treasonous state
When we dont agree with something we now call it treasonous. All indications are arrests coming shortly - from bush/cheney on down - then we'll see who says what about treason..........
Ben and Jerry are traitors? :(
In some photos, Fred Thompson look a little bit like an older, infirm John Waters. Let's ask him to grow one of them skinny mustaches and find out.
Booty K Jones @ 33:
But without the nifty ankle bracelet...
If Thompson gets the nomination, his choice for VP will be critical because he already looks like a cadaver.
Bobaloo @ 14:
do you seriously think any woman just "waits" until the third trimester to have an abortion? It is usually done out of medical necessity and you can bet the majority of those women were devastated and wanted their baby very much. I usually hear this statement from pro-life groups wanting to out-law abortions, they start with the argument of late-term abortions and work their way up to all abortions. This should always be a decision made between a woman and her doctor.
boxerfan @ 3:
Why not do the world a favor and just fucking end your miserable life!
What a curmudgeonly old bastard. Don't hide your disdain for women too much. I can't believe this professsed lazy dumbell, intellectually ignorant, republican piece of shit is running for .....anything.
He doesn't have a fuckin clue what is going on in the world. So misinformed and pretentious in his grasp of world affairs. What an asshole.
If that picture is accurate, he probably isn't going to live 'til the election. He looks like he is failing fast, like his internal aging clock is flying along at quadruple-time.
Breaks my fuggin' heart, it does.
I wish that either side of the political "debate" in America would buck up and act like adults. Every single problem/issue that we face as a nation has a solution, but none of the solutions can ever come to pass without the three things missing from both the "left" and the "right": commonsense, comprimise, and consensus.
Abortion, for example, divides this nation. Neither side of the "debate" will give an inch; consequently, it degenerates from debate to feud. And from both sides, the end result is legislation of morality. What we need to decide is when a the thing inside the pregnant woman becomes a person, and as such having the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There should be a reasonable window for a woman to procure an abortion, but after that window, abortion becomes illegal.
What the cutoff date would be, i do not know. But third trimester abortions are stupid. If there is a compelling reason to abort (from the mother's perspective), then that reason should be obvious early on...and acted upon. If not, then have the baby.
We all need to grow up and realize that even if what we believe is actually right, that still does not give us the right/power to impose that belief on others. So long as we all attempt to use the power of the state to impose our will, we will continue to live in this basket case of a country.
Thanks C&L for keeping the abortion issue up front. Please keep it up. There is a huge protest against a new Planned Parenthood clinic in Aurora IL (IL's 2nd largest city) that has national significance. Please keep the spotlight on these anti-woman folks and their political panderers.
I've always said that republicans want me dead. Since they think abortion is murder, then to a republican, I am a murderer. And what do murderers get? The death penalty.
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Listen Jack - when a woman has an abortion in any trimester, IT'S JUST FLAT OUT NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. But just so you know, Roe vs Wade does put limitations on abortion in the third trimester. But since your so keen on 3rd trimester pregnancy, then why don't you just "have the baby." I just love people who want other people to give birth, whether they want to or not.
Compelling reasons for abortion (like when a friend discovered she had uterine cancer in the 3rd trimester of her wanted pregnancy) do happen in the 3rd trimester, but it's still none of your business.
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Handmaiden's Tale, here we come.
Booty K Jones @ 33:
I think you'll find that this is at least 18 years, since it's after the birth that the truly heavy responsibilities begin.
That's a compelling reason right there to opt out of a pregnancy.
Fred Thompson is not welcome at my pap smear, my appointment with my lawyer or my bank manager, my spiritual (or life path) counselor, in my voting booth. I want his ugly meddling beefsteak face the hell out of my private business.
I don't even want the asshole on my computer screen but the inter netz is a public space and there's a lot of ambient monkeyshit flying around.
Looks like Fred is dying anyway so his opinion may be a moot point shortly.
What do you expect from a lazy, unqualified, Reslug. asshole??
Um, if you folks can spare a minute or two from getting your panties in a knot, you may want to check the latest poll numbers on abortion: http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
According to the latest figures 64% of Americans either want either no abortion at all OR GREATER RESTRICTIONS THAN EXIST NOW.
Fred Thompson is clearly with the majority on this one and you are not. So, instead of getting snotty and acting wounded, maybe you should try and come up with some good arguments to convince people who don't automatically agree with you on the rightness of your cause, to start seeing things your way.
Of course, waiting for a feminist to even attempt to do something as demeaning as that is like waiting for a single monkey to randomly type the complete works of William Shakespeare. I'll be happily snug and quiet in my grave before that ever happens.
In the meantime, please feel free to alienate voters who disagree with you by treating them like they're stupid and not nearly as enlightened as you are seeing as it's been such an effective strategy.
Fred Thompson can wave his bible all he wants and pretend it trumps legal standing, but that's as far fetched as pretending his campaign has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving the year.
If it wasn't for Tweety nosing around in Grampaw's Old Pecker and dry humping his old man pants, Fred wouldn't make the news at all except in the obits.
Abortion is a moral issue not legal. Conservatives worry so much about the unborn but are no where around for the children in foster care or for our military that are dying faster every day. Guess it is just easier to be concerned about your religious convictions than reality.
If someone thinks that abortion is premeditated murder, then the only acceptable punishment should be execution.
I'm curious why it isn't premeditated murder in the first three months. Does God give an unborn child a soul after three months? How would Fred know that? Unless, of course, we need to start calling him Fr'd.
RMHK @ 34:
Yeah, cuz we all know retards can't have good lives.
You are a fool.
Oh yeah, putting women in jail for having abortions, that's going to really resonate with voters.
patty @ 82:
No, you are correct. I simply wasn't being clear enough. Of course there are special circumstances.
Oh, and erroneous brain-dead, it doesn't matter what other people think of my someone else's abortion, or religion, or morality. It's no ones business who's pregnant or who isn't. Or why. Or why not. The U.S. Constitution exists to protect the minority from being rolled by the majority. And abortion falls under the 4th amendment.
Actually, abortion is a decision that should be made by the woman, regardless of her doctors religious beliefs.
A woman's choice to abort is Freddie's business... how?
The commenters on this thread who have said that it's a privacy issue are correct. Women must have the right to choose, and in my opinion a woman choosing to have an abortion in the third trimester probably has a good reason, and it's none of my business. Why? Because by the 3rd trimester the majority of women are "showing" and have been "showing" for a while, their families, coworkers and acquaintances know they're pregnant. When a woman is that far along in a pregnancy, people will ask "how's the baby" when they see her and she's not pregnant. I lost a daughter at 37 weeks because of a knot in the umbilical cord and even though I've had a few months to get used to being confronted with "how's the baby" by casual acquaintances who don't know, I still lose my composure when I try to answer.
Apparently, Fred Thompson's dick isn't the only shrivelled portion of his anatomy. His brain's got dry rot as well!
Go invade your trophy-wife's privacy if you want, but leave the rest of us women to make our OWN MEDICAL DECISIONS, Fuck-Head Fred!
Liberated @ 71:
Liberated, I agree people want constitutionally protected abortion. Unfortunately, those who don't are doing what they can to block the the opening of clinic's around the country. Just Google Aurora, Illinois Planned Parenthood and you'll see what I mean. This is their tactic now to do anything to stop reproductive freedom. I live in Aurora IL. None of the private medical groups will perform abortions; this is true in many regions of the country. That leaves Planned Parenthood. If anti-choicers can picket the homes of doctors who perform abortions (and yes, murder them, too), if they can intimidate the hell out of those support abortion, and intimidate city officials from opening a clinic, then the ability to obtain an abortion will be gone despite being protected on paper. Those of us who support choice better fight for it or it may be gone soon.
And btw, to those liberals opposed to abortions in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters, read up on the stats and don't rely on the talking points of the pro-lifers. Most people having late-term abortions are doing it for medical reasons that don't become apparent into later in the pregnancy. Do your homework.
Exactly how does abortion fall under the 4th Amendment? I just re-checked and see no reference to abortion in the 4th Amendment. Abortion is a religous belief not for legal system to decide. Pro-life proponents make me sick, against Planned Parenthood, that MIGHT help avoid abortion, against any Federal funding for daycare centers of struggeling single moms, against gay people who want to adopt children no one wants.
Pretty easy to spout religious crap without helping the children ALREADY HERE. Those without sin are allowed to condemn others.
hieronymus braintree @ 94:
Actually if you look at the Quinnipiac poll in pollingreports.com it shows 2/3 favor Roe V. Wade. Pollingreports.com looks like a front group to me.
How about making abortion a state by state decision just like divorce. Each state mandates whatever the majority wants. I have yet to hear an arguement for late term abortion except in medical emergencies.
Many of us remember that the Catholic Church deemed if it was a choice between mother or child the child would be saved, I hope we have come further than that now.
EEEyuk!
Give me grumpy, Fred.
Grinning is not your look.
Republican women and their daughters who get abortions will not be thrown in jail, no matter what trimester it is. That's because they'll go somewhere "secret" to have them (like the Riviera or Cabo or someplace like that). It's the little brown women and the poor ones and the ones without medical care who will suffer under Hollyweird Fred. They always do when the GOP sticks its nose into the privacy of the vagina.
But what if the woman is a recently divorced thirty year old with three mouths she can barely feed? While she's in prison, will the state take care of her kids?
The Christian bible says that one should take their disobedient son to the center of town and have him stoned to death. It does not define what disobedience means.
Abortions should therefore be legal until at least the age of 12, so long as the child can be shown to be disobedient by it's act of being born against the wishes of his parent.
I'm just saying, if I were a Christian, my morality would be at least as fucked up as the average Christians, except I sucked so much at picking and choosing which rules I follow and which ones I don't that I became atheist as the only possible way to meet all the obligations required by my Christian upbringing and schooling.
But I'm an atheist so, I'm saying let's just have a National Punch A Christian In The Face Day
bbk @ 113:
I should say that remark was sarcastic. Atheists are supposed to have no moral values, see? Again... it's a Christian standard.
dejah thoris @ 111:
Bet that tickles.
SuburbanGirl @ 108:
Actually I did look at the Quinnipiac poll, SuberbanGirl, and there's no contradiction. Like Fred Thompson the people who want greater restrictions want to preserve some kind of abortion rights, which is what Roe V Wade established. Overall, the dickering is not whether a woman should have a right to an abortion, but how extensive that right should be. Therefore, mathmatically speaking, a majority can support Roe V Wade AND be in favor of banning abortion or keeping it with greater restrictions at the same time, putting feminists in the minority and Fred Thompson solidly in the majority versus someone who supports the feminists position of keeping things as they are now or has what on a national scale would be the politically suicidal position of supporting abortion on demand.
Feminists really need to wrap their heads around this one but won't.
"Greater restrictions"? Explain, please.
hieronymus braintree @ 116:
Actually I did look at the Quinnipiac poll, SuberbanGirl, and there's no contradiction. Like Fred Thompson the people who want greater restrictions want to preserve some kind of abortion rights, which is what Roe V Wade established. Overall, the dickering is not whether a woman should have a right to an abortion, but how extensive that right should be. Therefore, mathmatically speaking, a majority can support Roe V Wade AND be in favor of banning abortion or keeping it with greater restrictions at the same time, putting feminists in the minority and Fred Thompson solidly in the majority versus someone who supports the feminists position of keeping things as they are now or has what on a national scale would be the politically suicidal position of supporting abortion on demand.
The site you pulled your statistic from contradicts that statistic in half a dozen other surveys on that very site. The fact is that every other survey says that the majority of Americans not only support Roe Vs Wade, but they support abortions to be legal in most or all cases. The one poll result you are using to support Freddie only says that in some context people support putting some restrictions on some forms of abortions, but it does not in any way negate that most people want most abortions to be always legal or mostly always legal. So pray do tell, what about Freddie saying he would overturn Roe Vs Wade fits anywhere within the realm of public support?
Christ, I hate Thompson. If he becomes our next president (a scary, but real possibility, given our track record), I'm becoming an ex-pat.
Holy Jeebus!
Another highlight for this cadaver to play up to his minion base.
As long as he's being so free with jail time and writing Jeebus's laws, maybe he can throw the little bastard male child and his mama in jail too.
Or does the Walking Dead Man with Wife with Large Mammary Glands think all births are a muracle like Jeebus was, and there are no male contributors to the process of making babies?
What Ellie said; #93
Rusty Shackleford @ 119:
I can't mind read, Rusty, but it certainly seems reasonable to surmise that there's a sense that there's too much abortion goin' round and that people want to see less of it. And, since the nearer to term a fetus is the more recognizably human it becomes and, therefore, the queasier one is likely to feel about it being aborted, it seems logical that people would prefer that abortion, if it's going to happen at all, should take place as early as possible, say the first trimester.
Anyone who wants to provide a better interpretation is invited to do so.
The Political Junkie @ 1:
Wow....you baby killers are really mean. Use a condom next time!
Jo @ 4:
Wow...you baby killers are mean and mad. Use a condom next time!
Fingerbo @ 121:
O.K. Let me know when you plan it and I'll throw a party for you. Why don't you just leave now?
bbk @ 120:
Here is the exact question from the CBS/NYT poll: "Which of these comes closest to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. OR, Abortion should be available, but under stricter limits than it is now. OR, Abortion should not be permitted."
Generally available: 34%, Stricter limits: 39%, not permitted: 25%, Unsure: 2%.
I dunno, bbk, that looks to me like 64% either want no abortion at all or abortion with stricter limits. Also, saying that abortion should be legal "in most cases" does not necessarily contradict the statement that abortion should neverthless have stricter limits.
For example, let's say that you restrict abortion to the first trimester like Thompson wants. Offhand, I don't know of any studies on the matter but it seems resonable to assume that most women know pretty much right away whether they want to have a baby or not and, therefore, have their abortions well before the end of three months. So there you'd have a big restriction but women would still be able to get abortion in most cases.
And BTW, saying that Thompson wants to "overturn Roe V Wade" is a rather dubious assertion. He wants only to restrict abortion to a certain time frame. He doesn't want to do away with it.
Also, I think you'll agree that CBS news and the NYTimes aren't exactly the National Review or Frontpage magazine, either. Therefore, the question you need to answer is why would a consistent majority of those polled say they want to do away with abortion or impose greater restrictions if they didn't really mean it?
bbk @ 116:
Or....how about a National Put the Atheist Out of There Misery Day....No God, No Hope, No Purpose. I bet you blame all of your problems on others....don't you.
kablooie @ 107:
Medical Desicions? Murder is a Medical Decision? I hope your kids never make you angry. I wouldn't want any medical desicions to happen.
mudkitty @ 104:
Actually, abortion is a decision that should never be made. Health problems and rape aside.
Try using a condom. It's a lot cheaper and you don't have to kill anybody in the process of convenience.
Medical decision...my ass.
noshrub @ 53:
No. A piece of scum is what you scrape up off the floor after killing a baby in an abortion.
Ruthless People @ 12:
The left manifesto:
1)Roll over when you don't understand something.
2)Always take it from behind.
3)Hate anyone who is happy.
asdf @ 22:
Or you could have the baby....or use a condom.
Booty K Jones @ 34:
Man, Like, totally a lifetime...I mean that more than a year.
xoites defends Constitution @ 38:
I see a lot of hate on this forum...and there aren't any conservitives here.
Yawl have torn this man apart on this forum, but I have yet to see anything relevant or factual...as usual with libs. All mouth, no ass to back it with.
mudkitty @ 90:
Listen dummy. Less than 1% of muderers get the death penalty. Aborted babies all get the death penalty. You act like your a victim. Sounds like you pretty successful at getting those abortions to me. Do you always get one after one night stands, or do you occassionally use some type of protection so you won't have to pay a couple hundred for convinience?
SOMERSET @ 86:
The concern is not about women....it's about the children. Stop being so selfish.
Fred Thompson knows a lot about the world...obviously, you disagree with him.
bbk @ 115:
Where in the "Christian Bible" does it say that? Backing up nonsense with a lie. Typical.
scandals @ 138:
What he knows is that a lazy, ignorant, ill-informed dipship who looks like Jabba the Hut is the idea Republican candidate for president.
Hold your applause, everyone.
19 year old 'girls' are legally adults - 'her mama' has nothing to do with it. Stupid, sexist, ignorant, old, white men - let's keep them in charge, since they've done such a good job with everything. Like Reagan's daughters, I wonder how many abortions Fred and trophy wife have accumulated between them.
As we said pre 1973: There are only 4 good reasons to have an abortion, rape, inscest, the health of the mother and mine. Still holds true today - when I escorted in the mid-80's I can't tell you how many women who showed up with their church group at the big protests had been or would be clients. The regulars were all over 60 or priests. One lady we called Amazing Grace was following me one day and said, 'When you meet the Lord, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.' I looked down. We were wearing matching tennies. I replied, 'Looks like we are in the same shoes.' Suddenly Grace put down her sign and said, 'Don't you love these shoes? Where did you get yours? How much did you pay? I'm having trouble finding them anymore, are you?' I was dumbstruck. Especially when she turned and started screaming at some poor girl and her boyfriend. I had to calm him down to keep him from hitting Grace.
It was a trip thru the looking glass.
scandals @ 139:
Deuteronomy 21:18 through 21:21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
I'm going to go look at some porn now. Enjoy your bible.
scandals @ 129:
No, I am the kitten's kaboodle. That is my purpose. My only problem is the envy of others who cannot ever be as awesome as I am.
Somebody need to ask Fred to clarify his comment about doctors: it sounds like he is giving a blanket endorsement to terrorist who bomb health clinics and murder doctors, nurses, and pregnant women.
bbk @ 143:
Uh...That's the Old Testament....learn something about "Christians" before you go around bad mouthing them. The key to being a Christian is knowing Christ. Christ did a couple of things that seperate the New Testament from the Old Testament. You should check it out. Maybe it'll clear some things up that you are confused about.
As for porn...whatever...just don't expect your girlfriend to be like that.
scandals @ 146:
You must have missed that part in the Bible where Jesus Christ approves of everything in the Old Testament as absolute truth. If you don't believe me, try reading some Christian literature on the subject.
scandals @ 125:
A fetus is not a baby. Condoms are not 100 percent effective. Neither is birth control.
scandals @ 129:
Apparently, you know nothing about atheists either. But hey, your holy text does require you to kill us - several times, in fact. Deuteronomy is a good place to start.
scandals @ 130:
How is the termination of a fetus with no brain activity murder?
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