Neo-Nazi Hate Group Posts Personal Information, Threatens Jena 6

(guest blogged by BillW)

jena-6-backlash.jpg As the hate site says: "In Case Anyone Wants To Deliver Justice." The editor of the website with a swastika at the top says on an audio at the site "I'd like to go down there and put a bullet in each one of those little black kids ..." When asked if he might have brought any harm to the Jena 6 by posting that, he told CNN "I don't know that doing justice can be considered doing harm."

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Just sick. Pam has more:

As former White House press secretary Tony Snow said on an October 2003 edition of Fox News Sunday

"Here's the unmentionable secret: Racism isn't that big a deal any more. No sensible person supports it. Nobody of importance preaches it. It's rapidly becoming an ugly memory."

Nate has the Snow video....



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I'd really, really like to think that this sort of thing is limited to a few complete nutcases who are even fringe among fringe right wing groups. Sadly, I'm not so sure ("Macaca") that's actually the case.

Thankfully it's no longer possible to be anywhere near that overtly and violently racist in almost any company now, but how much of that general sort of sentiment is hiding under the surface (O'Reilly's recent "that black restaurant was just as nice as one run by white folks!" shock comes to mind) is sad to think.

Also, while freedom of speech is tremendously important, at what point do you cross from speech to inciting violence? I've never been entirely clear on where the line into criminal territory is crossed with this sort of thing...

the bus is leaving for montgomery again.

It's this kkkind of hatred that makes me wonder sometimes if Lincoln did the right thing. I'm not talking about freeing slaves, I mean bringing the south into the Union!

sickening and cowardly... I hope this is just a dog with no bite

Tony Snow, possibly the whitest man on the Earth, says that racism is an ugly memory. Boy, that's rich.
Any praise on that web site about the GOP for snubbing black voters? I bet they love that.

The racists are the ones that don't think racism isn't a "big deal".

oh, some more of those "compassionate loving" christian reichwindnuts groups from the gop. lol

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

Biff- can the anti South stereo types, will ya? Most Nazis & KKK ers are from up North- Michigan, Missouri, etc.

racism isn't a problem....hmmm yah right. and all the presidential candidates are running around talking about anything but. I think you guys still have some serious problems to deal with. Not that we're perfect on this side of the border

THANKS LOGAN!! I heard about this and I was hoping someone would post this so that we can take action and try to help this disgusting situation with the Jena 6. However humble we all are.. we must recognize that our collective force on the blogs can make a difference in people's lives. Let's figure out how to do it in the case of the Jena 6. Thanks.

Is it any wonder that the only job Snow could get was at Faux and working for the Bush Crime Family? Just goes to show you don't need a brain for either job.

StirFry @ 5:

Tony Snow, possibly the whitest man on the Earth, says that racism is an ugly memory. Boy, that's rich.
Any praise on that web site about the GOP for snubbing black voters? I bet they love that.

I'm sure it's pretty goddamn ugly in Tony Snow's memory. But that doesn't mean racism is in the past.

This was posted several hours ago, yet there has not been one comment. Is everyone in shock and unable to type? Come on all you progressive, moral, ethical, decent people. Surely you can make yourselves read this and say something. Anything. I am a black woman and the mother of a 24-year biracial son. I worry about his safety every day. Say something, please

Bush has hated the blacks since they didn't support his run for Governor. Look at his actions in NOLA, wonder how long it will take him to send in Blackwater thugs. Also wonder if in their sworn "self defense" lie they will start shooting. This could really get out of control and Bush will have his excuse to declare martial law.

I don't trust that scum any farther than I could throw him.

Now if this were Bush, a prominent republican or, hell, any white republican being threatened you better believe those making threats would be arrested as terrorists and gitmo'd in a heartbeat.

Since they are white supremacists, like some of the militias, they will probably be asked to stop. Perhaps even sternly.

Don't give this moron (the head of this pitiful little Nazi group) any more publicity. He is so pathetic even the other Nazis openly taunt and ridicule him.

He targeted me too, but he is more mouth than anything else. The only thing he is going to kill is another quart of ice cream.

Ok, the neo-nazi is an idiot, but why is anyone defending the black teenager who assaulted this white kid? Why shouldn't he be punished for that.

I have noticed that for the most part, the people who say "racism is a thing of the past" have never been on the recieving end of racism.

i agree with this because most ppl dont know how it feels.. they just dont care!

YUP! Racism is off eveerybody's radar these days... ESPECIALLY the Republican Presidential campaigns of most of the front runners. They won't even go to DO CAMPAIGNING, in the form of a debate, for an African-American organization.

Republicans don't have anything to say to black Americans. They are not interested in issues that affect African Americans. They don't think black Americans are going to vote for them anyway... so they MARGINALIZE America's whole African-American population!

The Republican Party is SO DEAD in 2008... even tho KKKarl's fuzzy math sez they're on the right side of Terror and Supporting the troops.

Deborah Gross @ 14:

This was posted several hours ago, yet there has not been one comment. Is everyone in shock and unable to type? Come on all you progressive, moral, ethical, decent people. Surely you can make yourselves read this and say something. Anything. I am a black woman and the mother of a 24-year biracial son. I worry about his safety every day. Say something, please

Well, I personally just logged on. Can't speak for anyone else. But I will say that my first inclination was to type something along the lines of, "Gee, so you mean racism didn't end altogether in the 60s after some marches and boycotts? You mean it isn't true that we don't all get along now? There's still a Klan? There are neo-Nazis? Prolly just the liberal media hyping up a small incident or lying about it outright, huh?"

That this shocks people only shows just how complacent our national discourse has become. This country was founded by people who extolled the virtues of freedom and equality -- in some of the most eloquent documents in history on the subjects -- and who simultaneously enslaved an entire race. The dichotomy has been with us ever since.

First, conversations about racial injustice hatred must take place on a national scale again. Regularly, and with the belief that it is still one of the worst problems of this country. Secondly, those conversations must be merged with general conversations about all oppressed minorities, and we ought to invoke the founding principles of our nation, out loud, all the time. All people are created equal, and endowed with the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Deborah Gross @ 14:

This was posted several hours ago, yet there has not been one comment. Is everyone in shock and unable to type? Come on all you progressive, moral, ethical, decent people. Surely you can make yourselves read this and say something. Anything. I am a black woman and the mother of a 24-year biracial son. I worry about his safety every day. Say something, please

The more publicity given to these types of people (racists) the more they enjoy it. That is what it's all about. 15 minutes of fame. Just like Ann Coulter says stupid crap. Most of the time you know by the look on it's face, it is just spouting crap to get attention and money. Nothing more. Racism can have it's ugly head defeated, but giving attention to every nutbar just encourages more nutbars.

Orangutan. @ 11:

THANKS LOGAN!! I heard about this and I was hoping someone would post this so that we can take action and try to help this disgusting situation with the Jena 6. However humble we all are.. we must recognize that our collective force on the blogs can make a difference in people's lives. Let's figure out how to do it in the case of the Jena 6. Thanks.

Maybe you didn't notice the "Guest posted by Bill W." - under Logan's byline.

So, THANKS, BILL W!! would be more appropriate.

:) - Good post Bill.

Deborah Gross @ 14:

This was posted several hours ago, yet there has not been one comment. Is everyone in shock and unable to type? Come on all you progressive, moral, ethical, decent people. Surely you can make yourselves read this and say something. Anything. I am a black woman and the mother of a 24-year biracial son. I worry about his safety every day. Say something, please

This was bound to happen. I could see this reaction from hate groups from a mile away. At my highschool kids are starting to get very vocal on this situation from both sides and tensions are rising. Situations such as this bring racists out of hiding. I won't be surprise if copycat incidences occur.

Deborah Gross @ 14:

This was posted several hours ago, yet there has not been one comment. Is everyone in shock and unable to type? Come on all you progressive, moral, ethical, decent people. Surely you can make yourselves read this and say something. Anything. I am a black woman and the mother of a 24-year biracial son. I worry about his safety every day. Say something, please

This is typical Deborah. Saturday nights in the U.S. generally have fewer and a slower rate of postings. But you are right to worry about your biracial son. There are a lot of people out there that somehow got left off of the evolution bus.

The kid that they let out on bail - what's up with that? He obviously has a deep hatred of Black people and he incited a riot. He was apprehended and is probably angry about that. So he will go take it out on a Black person. Great move. They should have let this monster rot in a cell.

Interesting how the reaction to the Jena 6 case on conservative talk radio has all been of the Tony Snow type: "There's no racism left except the racism of the Left/civil rights leaders," or "As long as we keep dredging up the past, this stuff will continue..." Blah blah blah.

In some parts of America, it's still 1953. And it's still 1953 in the hearts and minds of a lot of white America, too.

Wake up and start blogging this, folks. This is as good a place as any to take a stand.

i cant even believe that c.n.n covered this story and ignored the protests in indiana. this is not newsworthy at all.

Not certain I'd call racial threats and intimidation "backlash". Makes it sound justified.

[...] Crooks & Liars has the details here.  Read it and weep for your country. [...]

Who listens to Tony Snow any more?

Thanks for following this story. We need to unite against this sickness that wants to reclaim ground.

QuakerDave @ 26:

Interesting how the reaction to the Jena 6 case on conservative talk radio has all been of the Tony Snow type: "There's no racism left except the racism of the Left/civil rights leaders," or "As long as we keep dredging up the past, this stuff will continue..." Blah blah blah.

In some parts of America, it's still 1953. And it's still 1953 in the hearts and minds of a lot of white America, too.

Wake up and start blogging this, folks. This is as good a place as any to take a stand.

I lived in SC for three years and left one year ago.
Is the Racial Bigoty in S..C. ... you better believe it. White people are just sugar sweet in public, but once the door closes, they are full of the same hatred as back in the 50's and 60's.

Thanks for covering this. Didn't comment at first bc I have no words.

Missing Steve Gilliard.

Here's the VIDEO of Tony Snow saying that Racism doesn't exist anymore.

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence that the country is going backwards fast when it comes to race relations at the very same time as the Repub party is telling minorities to "go f*ck themselves" when it comes to debates and Bush has been telling the NAACP to go f*ck themelves for years.
Purely coincidence for sure.
America's fringe right wingers aren't feeling emboldened by the right wing radicals in the Repub party, the White House and Fox "News".
Nope.

Two thoughts:

1) no one says that the African American kids shouldn't be punished. But the problem is that the white kids who attacked the black kids were given far slighter punishment. This was a tit for tat situation in which the white kids were hardly punished at all but the book was thrown at the blacks.

NPR has done some good work on this.

2) as far as the BillW person: surf to OnePeoplesProject to learn more; they have an article about this particular nazi.
By the way, he was the one who posted Leonard Pitt's personal information which lead to him getting some threats.

I say we fire bomb this,Neo-Nazis house.

[...] Unfortunately, he has gotten some unwarranted publicity out of it. [...]

Thing Fish @ 28:

Not certain I'd call racial threats and intimidation "backlash". Makes it sound justified.

Yeah, I have to admit I found that pretty weird phrasing. They make it seem like whites in general are lashing back at blacks for having the gall to seek equality in the justice system.

these cretins are the 29%rs.This is what hate speech and the divisive politics that this admin has brought has accomplished....I lay the fault at the repugs for this...and I do know that not all repubs are like this...but their politics were sowing the seeds of hate........now they have to reap what they have sown.I hope their proud of themselves.

Fox has Mark Fuhrman on all the time. The cons love their racist base. Souther Strategy lives on

mudshark @ 40:

these cretins are the 29%rs.This is what hate speech and the divisive politics that this admin has brought has accomplished....I lay the fault at the repugs for this...and I do know that not all repubs are like this...but their politics were sowing the seeds of hate........now they have to reap what they have sown.I hope their proud of themselves.

Yes ... the 29% rs ... I call it "The Stupid Factor"

You sure that's not the Fox News Web site?

GOPBullshit @ 18:

Ok, the neo-nazi is an idiot, but why is anyone defending the black teenager who assaulted this white kid? Why shouldn't he be punished for that.

ok lets start with the kid who beat on the other kid.....I heard he has a violent past....maybe he does and maybe it's justified.....By the way it looks, to me I'd say the kid is within his rights to beat the shit out of the white kid...Hanging nooses (4)in a tree in the south is sending a message...plain and simple.And we all know what that message is.I wonder exactly how long this kind of crap has been happening to this young man? I have a feeling this is not an isolated incident...this kid should get suspended from school for 3 days...just like the rest of the kids who get into fights.As for the District Attorney....he needs to go to jail.

Of course racism still plays a big role in politics. It just isn't as blatant. With regards to the Jena 6... yes they did commit a crime, but it was not attempted murder. It's obvious to anyone who just takes a second to think about the case.

azureblue @ 9:

Biff- can the anti South stereo types, will ya? Most Nazis & KKK ers are from up North- Michigan, Missouri, etc.

you are another of those the world is flat assholes, who does not know where the south is though you live in it. can we get you a map? it is a picture afterall.

we won't really know if the people from that website are bigots until we send Bill O'Reilly to have lunch with them and report back.

GOPBullshit @ 18:

Ok, the neo-nazi is an idiot, but why is anyone defending the black teenager who assaulted this white kid? Why shouldn't he be punished for that.

the level of the punishment is not fair in this event. this was a group of guys white and black having a highschool type fight. you can bet if the white guys had beaten the blacks up as badly or worse than this white guy, NOT A WORD WOULD BE HEARD about it.

Fuck, is this crap STILL going on? I would have thought that anyone with half a brain would understand that the idea of racial supremacy is bull. But then again, doesn't Louisiana have one of the lowest IQ averages in the country?

This whole thing has been out of hand from the moment it got started. First off, the charge attempted murder of a kid who went to a school function the day he got his ass kicked. Second, the "reduced" charges that have kept these boys locked up for a period longer than an adult convicted of assault would get in my state if the damage done was equivalent to that of the young boy. And now death threats? Because of a fight? Good lord, what a double standard in a world where it used to be okay to kill a black person because you THINK he might steal your wife's purse, but a black person sending a white kid to the hopsital for a few hours is a heinous act!

Personally, ten days suspension, Saturday school, and community service. That's all those boys should have gotten.

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

Psy-ops time in the USA. Let's get everyone's mind off the war and the economy and have the blacks and whites start fighting each other so martial law can be declared. There are a whole lotta people wanting to fan these flames.

mudshark @ 44:

GOPBullshit @ 18:

Ok, the neo-nazi is an idiot, but why is anyone defending the black teenager who assaulted this white kid? Why shouldn't he be punished for that.

ok lets start with the kid who beat on the other kid.....I heard he has a violent past....maybe he does and maybe it's justified.....By the way it looks, to me I'd say the kid is within his rights to beat the shit out of the white kid...Hanging nooses (4)in a tree in the south is sending a message...plain and simple.And we all know what that message is.I wonder exactly how long this kind of crap has been happening to this young man? I have a feeling this is not an isolated incident...this kid should get suspended from school for 3 days...just like the rest of the kids who get into fights.As for the District Attorney....he needs to go to jail.

I'm in total agreement, Mudshark. While violence in school should not be tolerated, let's not forget that the attack was not exactly unprovoked. Should the boys have found a better way to deal with their problems than to beat that boy up? Certainly, but even though they lost their tempers for a brief time, that doesn't mean that A) they are violent, bloodthirsty animals as some of the commentaries I have read have suggested, nor B) that they had any plans aside from just making this guy hurt. If they don't have any other marks on their records, give them the minimum punishment the school mandates and leave it at that.

GOPBullshit @ 18:

Ok, the neo-nazi is an idiot, but why is anyone defending the black teenager who assaulted this white kid? Why shouldn't he be punished for that.

But should he be punished for attempted murder? If it wasn't for this being brought to light, that is what the charge would've been. Don't understand why anyone would defend a punishment that exceeds the crime.

RMac @ 50:

Psy-ops time in the USA. Let's get everyone's mind off the war and the economy and have the blacks and whites start fighting each other so martial law can be declared. There are a whole lotta people wanting to fan these flames.

As much as I hate to think about it, you're probably right. *shudder*

Marc @ 1:

Thankfully it's no longer possible to be anywhere near that overtly and violently racist in almost any company now, but how much of that general sort of sentiment is hiding under the surface (O'Reilly's recent "that black restaurant was just as nice as one run by white folks!" shock comes to mind) is sad to think...blockquote>

You must live on the coast... or on mars? My boss told me the other day about how he was driving his daughter to look at rental houses near the black part of town (not that there's segragation, or anything) and he was shocked, shocked that as he turned the corner there were a bunch of black men standing there...

I waited for him to add a verb to the end of the sentence, but that was it.

My mind still boggling at what he'd just said, he continued that as they pulled into the driveway (in the local university student rental houses part of town), he was even more shocked to see a black man walking down the sidewalk, hand in hand with a white girl. He told me he said to her right there and then, "I won't have this, you're moving to a nicer place." He finished with, "I'm not a racist, I'm just a realist, you know?"

I was on the spot. I wanted to fucking tip my desk over and say, "WHAT THE FUCK!" Then I thought about the fact that I only have enough savings for one month's rent and a non-functioning car (and thusly no ability to find other work in my car-centric city). I just kinda stared at him blankly and said, "uh huh".

I shit you not. I am now a racist. I am paid by the old-school racist lobby, and there's not a thing I can do about it until I get a new car, a new job, and possibly enough to move out of this city entirely. Until that time I live in fear of losing my apartment, food, saving, and healthcare if it's found out I'm not really a racist.

Grand Rapids, MI: home to Dick Devos, Blackwater, Megachurches and christian publishing (there's an entire strip-mall of Christian businesses right down the road). They keep the black people kinda cordoned off in shitty, run-down old houses in Southtown (although they're paving them over, now, and moving people to some new housing projects they built). They're surrounded by districts of fabulous wealth, including a Frank Lloyd Wright (sp.) house.

If a neo-Nazi party emerged in this country, it would be cool here. They would just have to fly the American flag and promise to support the Jews in Palestine. Hitler chose the Jews out of convenience, they were an easy minority to blame for the stagnation of the German economy. As long as they kept their rhetoric targetted at black people getting welfare, they could cinch an election in this town. It's a good thing they aren't fielding any candidates...

nima @ 49:

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

type 4 @ 8:

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

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I cannot watch this clip. But a few questions. Is this site still up? Are these racists going to be charged? And what about the company/server that they are using? They all should be held responsible. While the information may be public, the threat is obvious. Free speech is one thing, calling for someone to be physically harmed, or worse, BY NAME, (with location) has to be illegal. And after the disastrous week in DC, I truly thought the week could not get any worse. And there is still Sunday.............peace.

Ahlyssash @ 51:

mudshark @ 44:

GOPBullshit @ 18:

Ok, the neo-nazi is an idiot, but why is anyone defending the black teenager who assaulted this white kid? Why shouldn't he be punished for that.

ok lets start with the kid who beat on the other kid.....I heard he has a violent past....maybe he does and maybe it's justified.....By the way it looks, to me I'd say the kid is within his rights to beat the shit out of the white kid...Hanging nooses (4)in a tree in the south is sending a message...plain and simple.And we all know what that message is.I wonder exactly how long this kind of crap has been happening to this young man? I have a feeling this is not an isolated incident...this kid should get suspended from school for 3 days...just like the rest of the kids who get into fights.As for the District Attorney....he needs to go to jail.

KNOW THE FACTS! This white kid had nothing to do with the those nooses! The FBI interviewed the kids who were responsible for the nooses and found that race was not a motivator! It was a bad joke, nothing more! Blacks do NOT have a licence to attack white people! KNOW THE FACTS!

I'm in total agreement, Mudshark. While violence in school should not be tolerated, let's not forget that the attack was not exactly unprovoked. Should the boys have found a better way to deal with their problems than to beat that boy up? Certainly, but even though they lost their tempers for a brief time, that doesn't mean that A) they are violent, bloodthirsty animals as some of the commentaries I have read have suggested, nor B) that they had any plans aside from just making this guy hurt. If they don't have any other marks on their records, give them the minimum punishment the school mandates and leave it at that.

Steven @ 55:

nima @ 49:

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

type 4 @ 8:

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

Number one, these were BOYS, not men. Big difference in terms of self control and emotional maturity.

Number two, ask the guy who stated that he would like to put a bullet in the heads of each of the black boys involved with which party he feels affiliated.

Number three, grow up and realize that violence of any kind is wrong, and trying to politicize it just makes you look bad.

Steven @ 55:

nima @ 49:

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

type 4 @ 8:

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

your missing the whole point.......and for the violent comment here...they will be gone soon(deleted by the sitemoniters)because that ain't too cool.

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the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this,Neo-Nazis house.

Umm, I say let's not. Let us not become what we hate.

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I know that Republicans don't have anything to say to black people. I would have been shocked if they had show up to debate at a Black-sponsored event. My disbelief is because of the near total silence from the lliberal blogs. It is absolutely stunning to me. Blaming the Republicans for the divisive hostile treatment of minorities doesn't cut it.
The silence of Democrats is deafening. Any word from Edwards, Clinton, Biden, Dodd, Obama, etc? As a black person, I am really tired of getting played by Democrats. If you cannot speak up forcefully and continually about injustice and abuse of your fellow American citizens......I have no use for this party. I will not vote for anyone who does not address racism as a major problem in America.

I'm a little disturbed that CNN feels compelled to describe the protest as "violence-free"; is violence to be expected of a cause with lots of black adherents?

And nobody ever, ever uses racism to advance their political campaigns, Snow emphasized, upholding his oath to the president to never once tell the truth about anything.

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Deborah, I think it might be a PR thing; nobody wants to admit that racism still exists in the US, merely because it makes us look bad. True, it's certainly not on as grand a scale as it used to be, but I'm of the mindset that one hate-based attack is one too many to be tolerated. However, until people stop worrying about their egos and the "image" of America, this is one topic that is going to be pushed under the carpet.

Steven @ 58:

KNOW THE FACTS!

You have any backup for your FACTS?

Deborah Gross @ 65:

I know that Republicans don't have anything to say to black people. I would have been shocked if they had show up to debate at a Black-sponsored event. My disbelief is because of the near total silence from the lliberal blogs. It is absolutely stunning to me. Blaming the Republicans for the divisive hostile treatment of minorities doesn't cut it.
The silence of Democrats is deafening. Any word from Edwards, Clinton, Biden, Dodd, Obama, etc? As a black person, I am really tired of getting played by Democrats. If you cannot speak up forcefully and continually about injustice and abuse of your fellow American citizens......I have no use for this party. I will not vote for anyone who does not address racism as a major problem in America.

It would appear that the Dem party is failing in many other areas as well...I am going to give them till the next election to correct many wrongs...but after that,if they fail again and again......I too will look at a third option.

Bangkok-Bob @ 32:

QuakerDave @ 26:

Interesting how the reaction to the Jena 6 case on conservative talk radio has all been of the Tony Snow type: "There's no racism left except the racism of the Left/civil rights leaders," or "As long as we keep dredging up the past, this stuff will continue..." Blah blah blah.

In some parts of America, it's still 1953. And it's still 1953 in the hearts and minds of a lot of white America, too.

Wake up and start blogging this, folks. This is as good a place as any to take a stand.

I lived in SC for three years and left one year ago.
Is the Racial Bigoty in S..C. ... you better believe it. White people are just sugar sweet in public, but once the door closes, they are full of the same hatred as back in the 50's and 60's.

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How is this comment not full of hatred? Shame on you for acting like this, when we're all supposed to be here trying to figure out ways to fix things. No more racist comments, no more nasty anti-Southern comments, no more anti-gay or anti-white bile being spewed, this is bullshit!

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Actually, c2c3, it would seem that you have nothing to say that is relevant to this discussion, and you are trying to hide it by making your post hard to read (seriously, capslock does make the text less than easy on the eyes).

Phil @ 66:

I'm a little disturbed that CNN feels compelled to describe the protest as "violence-free"; is violence to be expected of a cause with lots of black adherents?

Like I said in post # 43 racism is still present, but not blatant. So CNN can get away with a statement like that, instead of saying something like 'with all those blacks in one place it's surprising a whole bunch of crimes were committed.' It's almost like coded racism anymore.

S. @ 76:

Phil @ 66:

I'm a little disturbed that CNN feels compelled to describe the protest as "violence-free"; is violence to be expected of a cause with lots of black adherents?

Like I said in post # 43 racism is still present, but not blatant. So CNN can get away with a statement like that, instead of saying something like 'with all those blacks in one place it's surprising a whole bunch of crimes were committed.' It's almost like coded racism anymore.

EDIT: '...surprising a whole bunch of crimes WEREN'T committed.'

Man, everyone's bitchy tonight on this site... Seriously, let's lay off these nasty comments.

I think I'm gonna go to bed, this site is too hate-filled tonight.

Nevermind c2c3.....he lacks the ability he needs to think critically...he was raised that way....

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First off I am from North Michigan and came from a polish immigrant town of Alpena, Michigan. A lovely paper mill town of many European ethnic groups living there when I was growing up there. There was not much to do up there but drink in bars and drive snowmobile in the winter and 4 wheeling in the summer.

Then I moved to Mt Pleasant and had my first taste of racial prejudice for being a white kid living in the afro-american dominated dorm area for students with children. One of the father wouldn't permit me to play with their afro-american daughter in the playground. I was 9 years old and didn't forget it. My best friend was afro-american, Kevin, and his father got wind of this and march the guy over to apologize to me and let me play with the rest of the kids. everyone knew what happen and made me part of the community. At age nine I never knew the concept of black or white, and just thought that my friend always had a better tan, while I end up with sunburn that summer. I guess I was lucky that a community stood up and took matter to watch out for the kids. I was lucky because it was in a college dorm mostly for people trying to get an education that also have children. I think education is the key to eradicate racism everywhere.

This experience has either scarred or sensitize me to the problem of racism. I dwell too much on the subject at times and it saddens me. If I was in a terrible accident and I need a blood tranfusion to keep me alive, and they ask what color of blood do I want? Would I frikkin care? No! If I need a donor organ to keep me alive, would I care what color of skin the donor is? No! Every human being is a potential friend, life saver, and a Hero. It's going to take every human being to say racism is for those that are living in fear from ignorance of what they do not understand.

Deborah Gross has some concern, and this I say to her, that a biracial child are the most beautiful because those child represent courage and strength of the child parent who willingly brought a child that was made out of love between them, that are so unique to each other and bonded during that moment when the love was conceived. The biracial child themselves are proof that we can all get along if we try.

Fights happen in schoolyards all the time, worse than this, with guns involved. But what kind of stupid cracker hangs four nooses from a tree without expecting repercussions? As my mama used to say, you made your damn bed, now lie in it.

I won't say he got what he "deserved," but when you plant poison ivy, don't be expecting roses to come up in your garden.

c2c3 @ 56:

...blah blah . Racist diarreah rant...blah blah

MY WAY OF GETTING TO YOU DUMBASS. I SEE IT WORKED SINCE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. DUH.

DUH!? LMAO! Is that your natural accent? Is it Elmer's Paste night at the double-wide?
dduuuurrrrff!

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I live in a small city just North of Detroit, where I was born and raised. I was doing my daily walk today and had a jarring experience. A young womn was walking toward me. She was a 20-something white woman. I am 55-years old and hardly "menacing" in appearance. This young woman looked at me,and walked into the street,in order to avoid having to pass me. When I had moved beyond her, she got back on the sidewalk and continued on her way. I stood there for a moment and just felt sad.

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Orangutan. @ 11:

THANKS LOGAN!! I heard about this and I was hoping someone would post this so that we can take action and try to help this disgusting situation with the Jena 6. However humble we all are.. we must recognize that our collective force on the blogs can make a difference in people's lives. Let's figure out how to do it in the case of the Jena 6. Thanks.

Maybe you didn't notice the "Guest posted by Bill W." - under Logan's byline.

So, THANKS, BILL W!! would be more appropriate.

:) - Good post Bill.

Thank you for noticing. ;)

I think it is the subtle racism that needs to be noticed. Since I am white I am fortunate to not have to experience it first hand. But I do experience white people in my neighbourhood saying racist things, and it sickens me. This subltle racism is dangerous, it is what mobilizes the right behind closed doors. Never think it is over. Conservatives want you to believe that the fight is over, but it is not. There is this belief that if you are a minority you should know your place and if you step out of your place, you will be reprimended. With the stroke of a pen you could be put in jail and have the book thrown at you. Martin Luther King knew this all too well. Never forget about the battles that have been fought. This war will never be over.

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Damn, Deborah! That's terrible. I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt and say she has social anxiety disorder, but it's still pretty sad to see that kind of reaction from a non-threatening situation.

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mudshark @ 44:

GOPBullshit @ 18: ok lets start with the kid who beat on the other kid.....I heard he has a violent past....maybe he does and maybe it's justified.....By the way it looks, to me I'd say the kid is within his rights to beat the shit out of the white kid...Hanging nooses (4)in a tree in the south is sending a message...plain and simple.And we all know what that message is.I wonder exactly how long this kind of crap has been happening to this young man? I have a feeling this is not an isolated incident...this kid should get suspended from school for 3 days...just like the rest of the kids who get into fights.As for the District Attorney....he needs to go to jail.

KNOW THE FACTS! This white kid had nothing to do with the those nooses! The FBI interviewed the kids who were responsible for the nooses and found that race was not a motivator! It was a bad joke, nothing more! Blacks do NOT have a licence to attack white people! KNOW THE FACTS!

I'm in total agreement, Mudshark. While violence in school should not be tolerated, let's not forget that the attack was not exactly unprovoked. Should the boys have found a better way to deal with their problems than to beat that boy up? Certainly, but even though they lost their tempers for a brief time, that doesn't mean that A) they are violent, bloodthirsty animals as some of the commentaries I have read have suggested, nor B) that they had any plans aside from just making this guy hurt. If they don't have any other marks on their records, give them the minimum punishment the school mandates and leave it at that.

Ok Who ever said "Know the Facts....would you please provide a link to back your comment?and if you think those white kid are little angles there..........nevermind.

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Please. Everyone. Join http://www.ColorOfChange.org in order to organize with others around the Country to help end the racist fiasco that is occurring in Jena, LA. Very cool.

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I think one of the best example my mom taught me is to never make racial or national jokes that are mean. That if anyone tells you a racial joke just to say the joke is stupid, and don't laugh. I lived in a polish area of the town.

Those are the subtle racism that goes un-notice by many everyday.

I give up...people like you are whats wrong with this country......people of all colors like you....stupid mother fucker.

FBI Probes Anti-Jena 6 Web Page
Updated 9:03 PM ET September 22, 2007
By BECKY BOHRER

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - The FBI is reviewing a white supremacist Web site that purports to list the addresses of five of the six black teenagers accused of beating a white student in Jena and "essentially called for their lynching," an agency spokeswoman said Saturday.

Sheila Thorne, an agent in the FBI's New Orleans office, said authorities were reviewing whether the site breaks any federal laws. She said the FBI had "gathered intelligence on the matter," but declined to further explain how the agency got involved.

CNN first reported Friday about the Web site, which features a swastika, frequent use of racial slurs, a mailing address in Roanoke, Va., and phone numbers purportedly for some of the teens' families "in case anyone wants to deliver justice." That page is dated Thursday.

The Rev. Al Sharpton said in a statement Saturday that some of the families have received "almost around the clock calls of threats and harassment," and called on Gov. Kathleen Blanco to intervene.

A Blanco spokeswoman said the governor had asked law enforcement _ primarily state police _ to investigate.

"These people need more than an investigation. They need protection," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said. He said his organization would be in touch with President Bush's nominee for attorney general, Michael Mukasey.

"This is a test for the disposition of the Department of Justice to serve as an intervenor and a deterrent" to hate crimes and discrimination, Jackson said. He said federal marshals should protect the families.

Carolas Purvis, whose number was among three listed on the Web site, said she did not feel in danger. Purvis is the aunt of Bryant Purvis, who has yet to be arraigned. She said she has received a number of calls, some from people who say nothing, others to let her know that her number had been put on the site. One, Friday night, used the N-word to her young son, she said.

A dispatcher for the LaSalle Parish Sheriff's Department said no one in the office Saturday could say whether any threats had been reported.

Of the two other numbers listed as "active" on the Web site, one was not answered Saturday; the other yielded a constant busy signal.

On Thursday, thousands of demonstrators marched in a civil rights demonstration in support of the so-called Jena 6. The six black teens were arrested after a December attack on a white student _ the culmination of fights between blacks and whites.

Of the six teens arrested, five initially were charged with attempted second-degree murder; charges for four have been reduced as they were arraigned. Charges against the sixth teen, booked as a juvenile, are sealed.

Mychal Bell is the only one to have been tried so far. A state appeals court recently threw out his conviction for aggravated second-degree battery, saying he couldn't be tried as an adult. He remained in jail pending an appeal.

William A. "Bill" White, listed as the Web site's editor and commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, did not immediately answer an e-mail to his address. Calls to one of the two William Whites listed in Roanoke were not answered; the other said he was not involved with the site.

Blanco said Saturday that harassing families involved in the case "cannot and will not be tolerated."

"Public attacks on private citizens done out of ignorance and hatred is appalling, and anyone who stoops to such unspeakable persecution will be investigated and subject to the full penalty of law," she said in a statement.
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Associated Press writer Janet McConnaughey contributed to this report.

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Shortly after the lunch hour of Monday, December 4, 2006, a fight between a white student and a black student reportedly ended with the white student being knocked to the floor. Several black students reportedly attacked the white student as he lay unconscious. Because the incident took place in a crowded area and was over in a matter of seconds eye witness accounts vary widely. Written statements from students closest to the scene (in space and time) suggest that the incident was sparked by an angry exchange in the gymnasium moments before in which the black student assaulted at the Fair Barn was taunted for having his “ass whipped”.

The victim of the attack is close friends of the boys who have admitted to hanging the nooses in September of 2006.

More statements here (DOC format). And a lot more verifiable info versus the FACTS claimed here. One thing I haven't seen yet is proof that the 6 accused all were involved in the beating.

I am not impressed with name-calling. This country will deal with racism, injustice, classism, bigotry, hatred in a way that is healing or it will be torn apart. Why don't we begin to intelligently discuss these matters here. What better place? You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. What is it going to be, fellow Americans?

Good thing, too. I'd hate to think what would happen to the boys and their families if this kind of site was allowed to operate.

Sorry, I support freedom of speech, but when you are actively condoning violence against somebody, the line must be drawn.

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to all the good people outhere I apologise for my language.........it's just this particular group of peope don't deserve to live in this country.

It's cool, Mudshark. Sometimes we gotta let out the anger in the best way we can.

#98...you just proved your ignorance and stupidity yet again..

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Steven @ 55:
The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

You do know there was a black student assaulted at Fair Barn. The races were reversed...

mudshark @ 110 (formerly #97):

#98...you just proved your ignorance and stupidity yet again..

What's this a preemptive shush? ^_^

Injustice in Jena
Black Nooses Hanging from the "White" Tree
By BILL QUIGLEY

In a small still mostly segregated section of rural Louisiana, an all white jury heard a series of white witnesses called by a white prosecutor testify in a courtroom overseen by a white judge in a trial of a fight at the local high school where a white student who had been making racial taunts was hit by black students. The fight was the culmination of a series of racial incidents starting when whites responded to black students sitting under the "white tree" at their school by hanging three nooses from the tree. The white jury and white prosecutor and all white supporters of the white victim were all on one side of the courtroom. The black defendant, 17 year old Mychal Bell, and his supporters were on the other. The jury quickly convicted Mychal Bell of two felonies - aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated battery. Bell, who was a 16 year old sophomore football star at the time he was arrested, faces up to 22 years in prison. Five other black youths
await similar trials on attempted second degree murder and conspiracy charges.

Yes, you read that correctly. The rest of the story, which is being reported across the world in papers in China, France and England, is just as chilling.
The trouble started under "the white tree" in front of Jena High School. The "white tree" is where the white students, 80% of the student body, would always sit during school breaks.
In September 2006, a black student at Jena high school asked permission from school administrators to sit under the "white tree." School officials advised them to sit wherever they wanted. They did.
The next day, three nooses, in the school colors, were hanging from the "white tree." The message was clear. "Those nooses meant the KKK, they meant 'Niggers, we're going to kill you, we're going to hang you till you die,'" Casteptla Bailey, mom of one of the students, told the London Observer.

The only thing that is history is Tony Snow. racism is alive and alas well but he doesnt work at the white house anymore. and he is alive and well though.

Why does the number of posts keep fluctuating?

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September 20, 2007
The Jena 6, Shaquanda Cotton, and Blog Power
Jim Crow's Children

By CHARLES MODIANO

Did you hear the good news on "The Jena 6"? The adult conviction and potential 22 year sentence of Mychal Bell has been overturned. This comes less than one week before widespread protests scheduled for this Thursday in Jena, Louisiana. Since this case and the fate of the other five boys are a looooong way from being resolved mass protests will continue as planned.

The development of Jena story is only part of a much larger "Cyber Rights Movement" that has been gaining greater ground in America in 2007. Let's call it "BLOG POWER"! It goes a little something like this: yet another African-American teenager falls victim to Jim Crow-like criminal injustice; the injustice is covered in some local newspaper; national mainstream media completely ignores story; story spreads like wildfire across hundreds of predominantly African-American blogs; national media still ignores it; bloggers still blog; national media keeps ignoring; bloggers keep blogging on irresponsible national media; one national mainstream outlet might pick up story; bloggers keep blogging; other embarrassed national outlets might pick up story; bloggers keep blogging; finally, previously voiceless activists start to receive national media attention; bloggers keep blogging; more well-known activists such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are part of planned widespread national march; bloggers keep blogging; just days prior to the scheduled protest the charges against the young teenager have been reduced or thrown out. While there exist many examples of BLOG POWER, perhaps the greatest two in 2007 involve "The Jena 6" and Shaquanda Cotton. But before we examine what they represent, some context might be necessary. .....

Ahlyssah @ 116:

Why does the number of posts keep fluctuating?

That occurs after the removal of some overused sphincter muscles.

Ahlyssah @ 117:

Why does the number of posts keep fluctuating?

Time for the tuning...

(Obscure joke at mods' expense.)

Deborah Gross @ 82:

I live in a small city just North of Detroit, where I was born and raised. I was doing my daily walk today and had a jarring experience. A young womn was walking toward me. She was a 20-something white woman. I am 55-years old and hardly "menacing" in appearance. This young woman looked at me,and walked into the street,in order to avoid having to pass me. When I had moved beyond her, she got back on the sidewalk and continued on her way. I stood there for a moment and just felt sad.

Don't feel bad Deborah, it even happens to us white folk. When I was a college student and waiting at a bus stop at a busy interesection. An older white women had pulled up to the stop light. She looked right at me and reached over and locked the passenger door. And she was really reaching.

I don't think I was that menacing. I wasn't into the punk scene, just an average art student standing there with my portfolio and art supplies. I guess she thought I could have "drawn" a gun on her.

If you are smart, you can get rid of all the white racist folks real easy. Next time walk in their direction as a bus comes by.

Troll Food?

Chip @ 121:

Deborah Gross @ 82:

I live in a small city just North of Detroit, where I was born and raised. I was doing my daily walk today and had a jarring experience. A young womn was walking toward me. She was a 20-something white woman. I am 55-years old and hardly "menacing" in appearance. This young woman looked at me,and walked into the street,in order to avoid having to pass me. When I had moved beyond her, she got back on the sidewalk and continued on her way. I stood there for a moment and just felt sad.

Don't feel bad Deborah, it even happens to us white folk. When I was a college student and waiting at a bus stop at a busy interesection. An older white women had pulled up to the stop light. She looked right at me and reached over and locked the passenger door. And she was really reaching.

I don't think I was that menacing. I wasn't into the punk scene, just an average art student standing there with my portfolio and art supplies. I guess she thought I could have "drawn" a gun on her.

If you are smart, you can get rid of all the white racist folks real easy. Next time walk in their direction as a bus comes by.

Heh, I get that reaction all the time, being a person of the Gothic persuasion. It seems that too many people look at the skin and think they know what is going on right underneath. Sadly, blacks have been facing this kind of prejudice for centuries, and it's not helped by the fact that some people STILL adhere to those tests in the early 1900s that "proved" that whites were mentally superior to blacks. I'm shocked that years of coexistence haven't changed the way some people look at other "races" (since technically there is no such thing as race), but there it is: irrationally thinking people are the root of this problem.

I'm sorry folks.....I couldn't help myself.......

fox = nazi.

Deborah Gross @ 66:

I know that Republicans don't have anything to say to black people. I would have been shocked if they had show up to debate at a Black-sponsored event. My disbelief is because of the near total silence from the lliberal blogs. It is absolutely stunning to me. Blaming the Republicans for the divisive hostile treatment of minorities doesn't cut it.
The silence of Democrats is deafening. Any word from Edwards, Clinton, Biden, Dodd, Obama, etc? As a black person, I am really tired of getting played by Democrats. If you cannot speak up forcefully and continually about injustice and abuse of your fellow American citizens......I have no use for this party. I will not vote for anyone who does not address racism as a major problem in America.

I understand, and sadly, this is one of the things I absolutely don't like about my side. There may be noise about in on websites like C&L, but nothing in MSM, even by the Democratic candidates. Oh, they'll say something in time, once the primaries are closer, believe that.

I know this thing will be politicized when the time comes (it's happening now). I know our side will push that button and say, see look at those white, right wing, Republican bigots who don't care about black people. And, as they did in the last election, the Repubs will spin this too, see, we're the party of Lincoln who freed the slaves, if the Democrats didn't enable your low expectations, the Jena 6 would have never happened!

Even though I consider myself liberal, I'm registered Independent, for reasons like this.

azureblue @ 9:

Biff- can the anti South stereo types, will ya? Most Nazis & KKK ers are from up North- Michigan, Missouri, etc.

add Long Island, NY; Staten Island, NY; Bay Ridge, bensonhurst, Coney Island, Boston, Mass.... shit, the exclusion list is much shorter.

But I'm still very hopeful after reviewing this page, before and after the sitemonitor whacked the deserving into the bit bucket.

#112 BaScOmBe

The whole thing was handled poorly by school officials. It's hard for me to believe that both school officials and/or teachers did not know about the "white tree" way before the incident took place. When you allow hatred to fester without addressing the problem, the very thing that happened, happens.

mudshark @ 124:

I'm sorry folks.....I couldn't help myself.......

I admire the restraint you showed. I really don't think you should feel any guilt. I the last few weeks, the trolls have made it their business to hit the hi profile blogs. check some of the posts on huffington. and those don't get deleted.

mudshark @ 124:

I'm sorry folks.....I couldn't help myself.......

Buddha gained enlightenment going 1 on 1 with a wall. Did same thing a few months back arguing the same talking points. Got to the point I felt all I was doing was ranting like John Cleese about Communism. Engaging some people is like dealing with something as thick as a brick.

P.S. I'd just like to bring up again this summary from Friends of Justice summarizing the events -- http://friendsofjustice.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/responding_to_the_cr...

wijg @ 128:

#112 BaScOmBe

The whole thing was handled poorly by school officials. It's hard for me to believe that both school officials and/or teachers did not know about the "white tree" way before the incident took place. When you allow hatred to fester without addressing the problem, the very thing that happened, happens.

the school officials, the police, the district attorney, the judge are all responsible for the preservation of the atmosphere of hate that led to these events.

BaScOmBe @ 131:

wijg @ 128:

#112 BaScOmBe

The whole thing was handled poorly by school officials. It's hard for me to believe that both school officials and/or teachers did not know about the "white tree" way before the incident took place. When you allow hatred to fester without addressing the problem, the very thing that happened, happens.

the school officials, the police, the district attorney, the judge are all responsible for the preservation of the atmosphere of hate that led to these events.

Let's not forget the parents' role in all this. The white kids had to get their ideas about racial inequality from someone.

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wijg @ 128:

#112 BaScOmBe

The whole thing was handled poorly by school officials. It's hard for me to believe that both school officials and/or teachers did not know about the "white tree" way before the incident took place. When you allow hatred to fester without addressing the problem, the very thing that happened, happens.

the school officials, the police, the district attorney, the judge are all responsible for the preservation of the atmosphere of hate that led to these events.

You're right, but if school officials and teachers had handled this correctly from the beginning maybe there would have been no need for the police, district attorney and judge.

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BaScOmBe @ 131:

wijg @ 128:

#112 BaScOmBe

The whole thing was handled poorly by school officials. It's hard for me to believe that both school officials and/or teachers did not know about the "white tree" way before the incident took place. When you allow hatred to fester without addressing the problem, the very thing that happened, happens.

the school officials, the police, the district attorney, the judge are all responsible for the preservation of the atmosphere of hate that led to these events.

You're right, but if school officials and teachers had handled this correctly from the beginning maybe there would have been no need for the police, district attorney and judge.

Another opinion: The inaction of the LaSalle Parish School Board on the noose incident represents a clear violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Therefore, a written complaint should be filed with the U.S. Department of Justice.

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nima @ 49:

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

type 4 @ 8:

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

Is that sarcasm? I left you a link!

No one is going to convince me that the "white tree" wasn't well known and condoned. I put this squarely on the shoulders of the school administration.

I didn't catch I was troll food......I guess I miss that one.

I am at a loss for words for describing a racist as trolls. I could never closed the discussion with a racist. If anything never give up on pointing out racist remarks. Otherwise wouldn't that be like letting subtle racism go un-notice?

The rule on racist is when you use a singular group to point out personal observation, in generalization of a whole from a singular minute perspective. Also known as narrow minded.

One of my protege's went to Jena for the demonstrations. It's a deeper, longer story going back to early in the 2006-7 school year.

BaScOmBe @ 138:

One of my protege's went to Jena for the demonstrations. It's a deeper, longer story going back to early in the 2006-7 school year.

No doubt, I'm sure the shade under that tree has been reserved for whites for some time.

Hopefully we can overcome the hatred that has prevailed in this country for so long, but I have a feeling we will go the way of the dinosaur before that happens.

Goodnight...

Steven @ 56:

nima @ 49:

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

type 4 @ 8:

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

They didn't beat him "nearly to death", Captain Exclamation Point. The kid attended a school function that night. Restrain your bloodlust and get the facts, both on this story and how to spell "hypocrites".

I'm really glad to see work exposing this kind of hate. It's sick and it should be exposed.

And the Tony Snow clip just highlights his absolute dissociation from reality. Perfect skill for serving as Bush's secretary. Blech.

The economy sinking and corporatist takeover of our country doesn't help, if anything the racism help their cause to further demean the common folks. I just hope that most of us will not become sheep and further divide us. Bad enough we have been divided by party affiliation.

Steven @ 56:

nima @ 49:

the libertine @ 37:

I say we fire bomb this Neo-Nazis house.

I vote no, what with two wrongs not making a right and all that.

type 4 @ 8:

maybe we should publish the names and addresses of these neo-nazis. and also the names of their wives and girlfriends.

The violent tendancies of Liberal's never stops to amaze me! Liberals are the most intolerant people in the world! These black men beat nearly to death a white man! If the races were reverse in this situation all of you hipocrytes would be screaming for the heads of the white guys who beat that poor black man! Hypocrytes!

Generalize much?? You're a fucking dickhead.

Jump to the Left @ 141:

I'm really glad to see work exposing this kind of hate. It's sick and it should be exposed.

And the Tony Snow clip just highlights his absolute dissociation from reality. Perfect skill for serving as Bush's secretary. Blech.

Hi Jump! Yeah, I thought Pam really brought it all home with that.

Thing Fish @ 105:

Shortly after the lunch hour of Monday, December 4, 2006, a fight between a white student and a black student reportedly ended with the white student being knocked to the floor. Several black students reportedly attacked the white student as he lay unconscious. Because the incident took place in a crowded area and was over in a matter of seconds eye witness accounts vary widely. Written statements from students closest to the scene (in space and time) suggest that the incident was sparked by an angry exchange in the gymnasium moments before in which the black student assaulted at the Fair Barn was taunted for having his “ass whipped”.

The victim of the attack is close friends of the boys who have admitted to hanging the nooses in September of 2006.

More statements here (DOC format). And a lot more verifiable info versus the FACTS claimed here. One thing I haven't seen yet is proof that the 6 accused all were involved in the beating.

Thank you for posting that information and thank you for noting that AS YET there is no proof that the accused are guilty. None of them confessed and one of them actually has corroborating witnesses that say he wasn't involved in the physical altercation.

justabill @ 144:

Jump to the Left @ 141:

I'm really glad to see work exposing this kind of hate. It's sick and it should be exposed.

And the Tony Snow clip just highlights his absolute dissociation from reality. Perfect skill for serving as Bush's secretary. Blech.

Hi Jump! Yeah, I thought Pam really brought it all home with that.

Hey there, Bill. :D
Nice work. You are exposing the matrix. LOL Well, you are undermining the official story dished up by the corporate media marketing machine, anyway.
And I like that.

Jump to the Left @ 146:

Well, CNN is as "corporate media marketing machine" as you can get. They've been pretty fair with their coverage of it. I'm actually starting to have some respect for Kyra Phillips.

Gosh, it's a damn shame we can't talk about this topic without the thread monitor having to work his/her ass off like this. I'm linking to a comment number above that hadn't even occurred yet because of all the deleting going on.

damn shame. :(

I'm really not that surprised there is this reaction from a certain segment of the population. As I argued on Friday, I think these events have been badly reported in _all_ press because there are two separate issues that cannot be mashed together. Clearly Louisiana culture sucks. No problem. Protest all you want. Work for change all you want. But what if you were on the jury for the kids? Two wrongs don't make a right and six guys don't have the right to beat the crap out of someone who enrages them. I get enraged when the rule of law breaks down with _everyone_, not just when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gonzales do it.

I think a lot of the rhetoric surrounding this has been, "These white kids were pricks? Sure, beat them to death." And that gets you what? Same thing in return detailed above.

The lurid tabloid details have demonstrated the culture of Louisiana. But we _also_ need details of the ways in which law enforcement overreacted to understand why the beating cases are unjust.

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