Hillary Clinton To Co-Sponsor Webb Legislation On Iran
By Logan Murphy Monday Oct 01, 2007 10:47am
Via Taylor Marsh:
In March, James Webb introduced legislation demanding that the President seek congressional approval before striking Iran.
I've just learned that Senator Hillary Clinton will co-sponsor legislation with Webb and re-introduce it into the Senate. Exact language isn't available, but this is what Webb offered in March.
Specifically, the amendment requires that the President seek congressional authorization prior to commencing any broad military action in Iran and it allows the following exceptions: First, military operations or activities that would directly repel an attack launched from within the territory of Iran. Second, those activities that would directly thwart an imminent attack that would be launched from Iran. Third, military operations or activities that would be in hot pursuit of forces engaged outside the territory of Iran who thereafter would enter Iran. And finally, those intelligence collection activities that have been properly noticed to the appropriate committees of Congress.
This is an encouraging move on Senator Clinton's part. While she voted for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment, she has clarified her position, making it clear it in no way authorizes or sanctions military action against Iran and instead seeks to end the Bush Administration's diplomatic inaction in the region. She and the rest of the Senate must move quickly as the Bush administration's propaganda on Iran has intensified and they are chomping at the bit to attack. From Senator Clinton's official statement:
Senator Clinton - who has been at the forefront of calling on President Bush to seek authorization from Congress before taking military action against Iran (Read the Senator's Speech on the Senate Floor from February) – said today, “In February, I took to the Senate floor to warn that President Bush needs Congressional Authorization before attacking Iran. Given recent reports about Administration military planning toward Iran and to ensure that Congress plays a proper role in the authorization of any potential military force, today I have added myself as a co-sponsor of a bill introduced by Senator Jim Webb which prohibits the use of funds for military action in Iran without authorization by Congress.” Read more...
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Shrewd - H wants to limits W's options and keep all of hers.
Oh God, here it comes. Let the Hillary bashing commence.
Such legislation shouldn't even be necessary. According to the Constitution, isn't the president required to go to congress for approval for ANY military action?
Tigerwong beat me to it:
Call me crazy, but isn't congress approval required anyways?
Tigerwong @ 3:
Exactly. They want to pass a law saying that the president has to obey the law. Good idea, I guess, but kinda sad that it has to come to that.
This bill is meaningless, since it requires Senate approval only for "broad" military action and permits "hot pursuit." Bush can still do what he has planned--"surgical" air strikes and "limited" ground assaults into Iran. These are acts of war. Bush will have no problem getting all the money he needs once Iran retaliates.
Hillary reminds me of those lyrics from Cream's Politician: I support the left, but I'm leanin' to the right, and I'm just not there, when it's comin' to a fight.
Hillary was "just not there" on the recent vote to approve $150 billion more for the war in Iraq.
Careful, Hill-dawg, you don't want to upset the powerful Israeli lobby now, do you?
They rip to shreds anybody that isn't a shill for them.
Good for her. I was worried there for a moment after the Kyl-Leiberlouse bonehead move, but she's done a good job of explaining her position and now making it official by co-sponsoring this bill.
Now if only we could get ALL the Dems to stand up and fight Bush, we'd be in great shape.
Oh dear. Those exceptions are so broad as to allow military operations to proceed at any time. What George thinks the word imminent means only God knows. I hope that the Iranians don't decide to conduct any war games on their own territory or the fun will begin.
didn't she already
vote to give bush authorization
Congress unlawfully gave Bush permission to declare war against any country harboring terrorists.
Congress has proposed that the Iranian Republican Guard be labeled as terrorists.
Hillary voted for these things. Now she wants to do a fake take back.
After she submits the legislation, who's to say how she will vote on it, or how she'll promote it?
This is the same two-faced pandering that the Dems did before the last election.
Can't put the genie back in the bottle. The Lieberman-Kyl amendment is all Bush will need to say that Congress has authorized war against Iraq. The Senate knew it when they voted for it. Clinton is simply trying to avoid being tagged with supporting yet another war.
Too late.
And no, Congress needn't approve the next war. This only applies when the Constitution is being used to govern. We're long past that point. The Constitution of the United States is now only a quaint piece of paper with some interesting ideas on it.
" . . . it allows the following exceptions: First, military operations or activities that would directly repel an attack launched from within the territory of Iran. Second, those activities that would directly thwart an imminent attack that would be launched from Iran."
Which means a trumped-up excuse for war, a Gulf of Tonkin scenario, is enabled by this bill.
Bush and Cheney have nothing to worry about.
Tigerwong @ 3:
Tiger, I know I'm really harping on Dean's new book Broken Government but I just got to the part about all the signing statements that Bush uses to skirt the law and the constitution. And his bogus argument that he can do whatever he wants in order to protect us from all the bad brown people.
Tigerwong @ 3:
That was exactly what I was going to say. How on earth does the authorization to use force in Iraq even make it possible, legally, do attack Iran?
THIS is why this whole Administration is a disaster.
The Congress does not need to go hat in hand to the President begging him to check with them before going to war. THE CONGRESS DECLARES WAR. Not the President.
Where are all those "strict Constitutionalists" on the right now?
Only the PEOPLE, through their representatives in the Congress, can take the country to war.
Twenty plus years of neocon lunacy, yes...twenty plus years starting with Reagan...running foreign policy and stripping the People of their rights, and shredding the Constitution has led to THIS.
This bill is the antidote to Kyl-Lieberman. "Broad military action" would include surgical strikes as well, since that is military action. "Broad" does not modify military action, it is meant to include all military action; The bill goes on in detail to note that Bush does not need to seek approval for only certain specific military actions.
It is another meaningless bill as they can't change the President's Constitutional powers. And now that Hillary vote for Kyl-Lieberman saying Iranian army are terrorists, Bush can strike them.
The Webb bill will never pass. Hillary is just playing games to fool the voters.
vote the truth
http://www.dennis4president.com/
"While she voted for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment, she has clarified her position, making it clear it in no way authorizes or sanctions military action against Iran and instead seeks to end the Bush Administration’s diplomatic inaction in the region."
(rolls eyes) Yeah, that clarification worked so-o-o-o-o well for the UN...
Webb was right - you cannot give Bush & co. the slightest foot in the door, because they will claim it to be a written invite. Smooth move, Democrat enablers.
Bush and his groupies with do what they please and the congress, will get up and complain and cry but in the end do nothing as they have since January.. Lots of talk but no action of signficance to stop the warmongers.. With the way our gov't acts in the world don't you think every country in the world is probably trying to make nuclear weapons... I would... that is the only deterrant that is left to stand up to Bush and all the gov'ts around the world that support these failed policies. Look at North Korea... they do nothing because now they know they have a bomb..
Here is Seymour Hersh's interview w/ Wolf Blitzer about the upcoming conflict with Iran:
VIDEO
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=f127d54f-b432-4a26-...
I have been leaning toward Hillary, but this Iran vote has me wondering.
Her Iraq vote assumed that Bush would use the UN and that a unified front would give Bush more leverage in negotiations with Hussein. WE KNOW HOW THAT WENT!
So, knowing that, these two votes are extremely puzzling to me. Every inch, Bush/Cheney has weaved into a mile ... so WTF?
I still like Hill and will support her in the General, but I'm pretty close to cutting a check for Edwards.
Treacherous shrew-of-a-woman... We're gonna be SORRY when we elect her...
Kucinich in 2008!
Doesn't Bush have to sign this into law? If so he most definitely VETO it and the so-called "opposition party" dems will not be able to overide the veto. Meanwhile the Lieberwar/Kyle amendment gets signed into law and the Prezinit gets his fucked up dream of war with Iran. Thanks Hillary, you pandering, worthless, corporate, AIPAC supporting, warmongering, beltway insider FOOL
Let Israel fight their own damn wars. Why can't we have an America first foreign policy?
Whoever posted these yesterday & today, thank you.
This is what the masses are watching--Fox special, Iran: The Ticking Bomb:
Preview - Iran: The Ticking Bomb
http://beta.redlasso.com/Commu.....377bbf2a61
Iran: The Ticking Bomb pt 1
http://beta.redlasso.com/Commu.....cc9977d5ec
Iran: The Ticking Bomb pt 2
http://beta.redlasso.com/Commu.....a1b3af47a9
Iran: The Ticking Bomb pt 3
http://beta.redlasso.com/Commu.....fb1a49a21a
Iran: The Ticking Bomb pt 4
http://beta.redlasso.com/Commu.....80c19eb6fd
Iran: The Ticking Bomb pt 5
http://beta.redlasso.com/Commu.....dc5fd68922
And: What World War III May Look Like
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11666
Dirty @ 25:
Good point, Dirty. If the prez vetoes and they don't have the votes to override, then he can make the case that congress has reaffirmed his right to do as he pleases.
In this chess match the Dems are the pawns.
The "exceptions" are exactly the pretext they need for the war, so this does not one damn thing to stop it.
do you really think such legislation matters to bush? do you honestly believe it would give him pause? no ... all he has to do is issue a signing statement to the effect that he can do anything he wants "for national security" and he can bomb anybody he likes. this legislation is symbolic, but it wouldn't really make a bit of difference.
Too late. Congress abdicated their responsibility and gave the President a blank check. They also passed the Liberman amendment about Iran - double whammy, case closed. There is no turning back. This motion is nothing but political theater because it's meaningless since in essence they already authorized the President to attack IRAN given the above aforementioned.
Bush better hurry because winter is coming on and you never want to start a war in winter. Congress can still cut the purse strings, but it will take something like bipartisan guts. Not guts really, just doing what is right for the country and not what may support the interests of the two parties. Now that I see it written, I only expect the bombs to start dropping before the end of the month.
Way, way too Late, Hillary. Not buying it.
Dharma Pup @ 30:
I'm sure Bush doesn't care -- but others in his party do. They are already in big trouble because of Iraq, and starting another war is not going to drive their poll numbers up. If nothing else, this move would deprive the Repukes of the bipartisan cover they had in the runup to Iraq. Not much consolation, though, if they start WWIII.
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY is begging for crumbs off Master boosh's table. I'm sure he'll be as generous as he always is. and his repug minions will laugh scornfully at the pitifully futile efforts of the party that has no intention of fulfilling the will of the people.
But hey! I'm, an optimist! :)
rahm emmanuel on Bill mahr's program defended the attack on MoveOn.
I want to know what's going on with the 50-State initiative of the DNC.
This is just to give HRC a talking point for the left. She desperately needs to back away from Lieberman/Kyl - especially after Seymour Hersh’s recent article. She has no intention of getting the bill through, she just wants to use Lieberman/Kyl as a talking point for her main supporters, and use this empty gesture as a bone to the left.
Strawberry @ 14:
Sigh... well, my wife and i were planning to move to canada in a few years anyway...
That bill is a good start but it contains massive holes that an ENTIRE Bush Administration can drive through. There needs to be very little leeway at all for Bush to take ANY action at all wrt Iran (or any other country). The "exceptions" carved out by the Webb/Clinton bill mean that Bush can easily have his war with Iran with what amounts to Democrap Party blessing. Instead of allowing broad and unlimited "defensive" ops into Iran, the bill needs to shut that down TIGHT so that Bush can order "defensive" action in response to ACTUAL Iran-initiated attacks on US forces but must immediately provide a full report to Congress within one week of the action and that such action WILL spark and immediate and independent investigation to ensure that the action really was "defensive" and not a false flag operation (Gulf of Tonkin bullcrap).
Dirty @ 25:
And who says it would pass in the first place? I don't think it will ever make it out of the Senate because there are enough Blue Dogs to go along with the Republicans to defeat it. Hillary must have taken a lot of heat for her vote on Kyl/Lieberman to come up with this useless gesture, and although someone on the thread said that she has explained that vote, I haven't seen it anywhere. What was her rationale for voting for the Kyl/Lieberman amendment?
If it passes, then Bush will just trump up some "Gulf of Tonkin" incident in Iraq, and he'll be off to the races.
Hillary is a CLINTON. Do we need to know more? She is as evil and neo-con oriented as any Busher. She wasn't there to vote this week on the war money and can say on the stump that she therefore "didn't vote for the money."
The only two people we have a chance with are Paul and Kucinich. We are s**t out of luck if anyone else runs.
The Webb legislation is a joke. It is too broad and Bush and his henchmen will spin and abuse semantics to take advantage of the exceptions that are written into the bill.
This looks to me like a shopping list for George Bush to start a war with Iran with the permission of Congress. It seems like it wouldn't take a lot of imagination for Bush to contrive an incident that would qualify in the first three exceptions. Second looks especially dangerous.
Corporate Hag.
That is all.
donkey @ 10:
Yes she did. Hillary and Webb hope we are stupid enough to fall for their two-faced routine. She voted for Lieberman-Kyl and she has said numerous times that she is ready to attack Iran. Mark my words, she and the rest of the Democrats will go along when Bush and Cheney decide that the bombs must fall. The Democrats believe in an American empire just as much as the Republicans do.
We are screwed.
I wish the holes would be filled
cv @ 29:
Exactly, cv! For the short and long term memory deficients around here, reread "Second, those activities that would directly thwart an imminent attack that would be launched from Iran" - hell, if George was able to argue that IRAQ was an "imminent threat," how hard will it be for him to do the same to Iran?
Will SOMEONE in the media PLEASE ask the question, "What is it EXACTLY that makes Iran an ENEMY???" What have they done to America which deserves this treatment? Overthrow our government and put in a Shah? Oops, no, that was us. Back a neighboring country with money, arms, and chemical weapons? Oops, that was US again. Stand in solidarity and fight the Taleban and Al Qaeda in the days following 9/11 - until they were told they were part of an imaginary super-villian group called the "Axis of Eeeeee-vil?" Yeah, that would be them.
What a joke with wording like that.
Have to agree with the above posts: H. Clinton's bill is effectively closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. The Lieberman/Kyl amendment already recognizes the patently ridiculous concept that one facet of a sovereign country's military could be a terrorist organization, while the rest presumably is not. It would be equally juvenile to say Japan only bombed our navy, while the rest of us: 'hey, no hard feelin's.'
But having voted for that malarkey, there's nothing that can legislatively be done post facto to stop a war with Iran. I think we're past that threshold of naivete.
This whole thing has been a death dance with snide, hair-splitting technicalities. One would think a decision of war would warrant wider and clearer margins of morality that this.
Moreover, if the support of our troops is such a sacrosanct principle for patriots to hold, and if unleashing wider chaos is such a threat to avoid, then we could not do any worse than dropping bombs on the muslim neighbor next door.
Americans wake up every morning wondering if war against Iran has begun. That is not the way it's supposed to be. We are essentially held hostage by wicked fanatics. Congress has abandoned the American people by betraying their Constitutional duty. Webb's bill is a pathetic plea to a deranged executive branch, which will treat it with the contempt it deserves.
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Eternal Vigilance Says: Have to agree with the above posts:...Amen
I am sorry to say that if she is the candidate for president who gets the nomination i will be unable to vote for her. She is way to far to the right. it might be unfair to categorize her on the basis of her husbands term in office but he introduced and passed nafta and all the rest of the free trade agreements that do nothing but harm this country, and Hillary is more of the same. There should be no equivocation about the issues that we face right now yet she continues to be swayed by the insanity that this administration has as policy in any department you care to name. What she should do is take a definitive stand based on the constitution and common sense and she does not do that, nor do any of the other candidates, with one exception..Dennis Kucinich.
so hillary wants it both ways...well fuck her
and fuck this weak ass congress
if bush bombs iran, impeachment papers need to immediatly be drawn up
for what is the difference in bombing iran and what nixon did in cambodia?
uncle joe mccarthy Says: so hillary wants it both ways…well fuck her
and fuck this weak ass congress
if bush bombs iran, impeachment papers need to immediatly be drawn up
for what is the difference in bombing iran and what nixon did in cambodia?
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Oh uncle joe, if only impeachment was on the friggin table. It seems like pie in the sky thinking to hope for the Bushdogs and the Repubs to vote for impeachment. But man, if there ever was a need for impeachment, the Preznit, VP, Repubs and Bush dogs would be prime candidates. Ugh
LongTooth @ 50:
Believe it or not, some don't wake up like that.
I said something like your first sentence to a long lost friend, and he asked what I was talking about.
"rahm emmanuel on Bill mahr’s program defended the attack on MoveOn.
I want to know what’s going on with the 50-State initiative of the DNC."
I saw that last night! RAHM EMMANUEL seems to be a major part of what is wrong with the Democratic party.
He needs to be outsted!
Finally Israel has admitted to bombing Syria. Why? They were just testing the weapons the US gave them to see if they worked. Next Israel will wait for the US to illegally bomb Iran then Israel will bomb Syria and Lebanon to make sure they can take over those counties. Yes Israel will have most of the Middle East and have no problem getting rid of Palestine. Israel is using the US so they can get land and bring the small Israel land to be the biggest. Yes the US will only take oil as Cheney will lead the way. Notice I said long ago that once the US illegally invaded Iraq and broke the UN policy others would follow. This is just the beginning as other do the same. Russia is in waiting with their weapons. George W. Bush does have a legacy that of a US President that threaten the World and made all countries have to protect themselves for the true AXIS OF EVIL.
Joementum @ 5:
Let me add my "exactly" to that also! Another thing I find disturbing about it is the exceptions. How long does anyone really think it would take this administration to come up with a Gulf of Tonkin style lie?
I don't give a good god damn what Hillary Clinton does or says. She is a power mad, corporate-owned Neo-Con come lately. Fuck Hillary and the AIPAC horse she rode in on.
Jackie @ 56:
Israeli FM Cites Holocaust, Repeats Iran 'Wipe Off Map' Mistranslation at UN
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,...
Poll: Most Israelis Support Using Nukes
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1189411522274&pag...
Jackie@56, 200% correct. Quite something to have a psychotic's hand hovering over the "red button".
To have to have a bill passed to enforce protocol written into the constitution that congress is the war decisionmaker NOT the psychotic with it's hand over the red button.
According to the constitution the "president" (and this one's an imposter) doesn't EVER have carte blanche to go to war without the approval of congress and the senate.
That has never been ANY president's independent prerogative.
Israel has carried on it's belligerence long enough, Syria on a short leash. They have no business with nuclear weapons (no country does, including the u.s.) We need diplomatic pressure from ALL countries on those guys, but of course bush is fanning the flames of WWIII like a monkey whacking off to Cotton-Eyed-Joe.
Emmanuel, SO GQ, oiling his way across the floor oozing "cheap 'ho" from every pore.
HILLARY ANSWERS LIFE'S PERSISTENT QUESTIONS, OR
WHERE’S THAT FLUORESCENT LINE I’M ALWAYS ON ABOUT
God and Hillary Clinton: A Spiritual Life. Cover: Hillary's weathered countenance reflects the afternoon sun; behold the bucolic portrait of liberal beatitude. “For nearly three decades, political observers have sought to understand the complex relationship between Hillary Clinton's faith and her politics. Now, in this first spiritual biography of the former first lady, acclaimed historian Paul Kengor sets out to answer the elusive question: What does Hillary Clinton believe?”
This just in: the Clintons have been insulting our intelligence for over thirty-five years. “Take the image we have of Jesus—of Jesus as the Shepherd,” says Hillary. There isn’t a soul who doesn’t believe that if the Good Shepherd returned today, he wouldn’t smack Hillary Clinton into the middle of next week. I pity the fool who believes the Clintons; I pity the fool who spends $24.95 on Kengor’s inane book. But, despite Hillary’s manifest virtue and desire to do good works, every now and then there’s a moment of truth: http://theseedsof9-11.com
This seems gutless. A political ruse. A declaration of war against Iran ALREADY REQUIRES CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL (see Constitution). This gives BUsh lots of good ways to attack Iran, and for Hilaary and the Dems to cover their asses. It looks piss poor. (And, I am not anti-Hillary, but this is rubbish.)
Peter G. @ 9:
Like (picture Jon Stewrat, doing Bush here, hands jolt up) "he looked at me kinda funny, ya know. I say we bomb them." Imminent-- to Bush-- is right. It could be anything.
See, no one wants to look soft on terror. It's much wiser to start needless bloodbaths-- somehow. Imagine looking soft on terror. Just imagine.
This fucking nation of ours is THE MOST WAR HAPPY nation I have ever seen. It scares me to know that the leadership of this nation is so blind to the negative results wars of aggression have ALWAYS brought upon the world.
Edwin @ 63:
Yeah. This bill's approach is the same as asking fuckwad's permission to make the decisions awarded to THEM through the constitution. It means they've got it backwards. It means a charade because blowing Iran to pieces is a done deal.
I hate Hillary's fraudulent lust for power and believe she is an enemy of the people of the u.s..
I also hate parading one's "religion" a person who hasn't the dignity to shut the fuck up about religion is automatically a fraud if not adolescent and dangerous.
Bad enough her voice is like fingernails on a blackboard.
I am all for Hillary Clinton. I love living in bliss. She's our only hope to win the house so I will forgive her for;
Not standing for anything
Voting for the war
Voting for the Lieberman/ Kyle amendment
Taking money from lobbyist (no corruption here)
etc....
i can go on for days but, but, but at least I will feel safe when she is in power. We will get out of Iraq, eventually even if it takes till 2013. I wont have to worry about my president attacking Iran and oh yes! mandatory health insurance.(crossing fingers) Finally I can sleep well at nights. Thank you our only hope Hillary Clinton..She is much a better choice than that small guy what his name..oh yes Dennis Kucinich Im not voting for him cause' he has a weird last name and he can't win. I stand for nothing. I'm a coward. At least I can admit it.
-Hillary Clinto supporter
Conan @ 67:
Guess you forgot she was all for the war and funding it just last December. Unlike yourself I don't assume this witch promoted by Murdock and the MSM is #1 anything, and it's gotten into your psyche through repetition just as they've planned that to happen.
You've been unwittingly programmed. Just as the repukes knew you would.
I hope you make it though all the disqualifying hoops to Hillary's brand of healthcare.
SAFE???? About as safe as a 12 year old boy in a roomful of republicans.
Voice of America and Fiasco at Persian Service.
There is no need to attack Iran IF the Bush administration pays attention:
Millions of dollars are spent in Persian Service of Voice of America but the end result is nothing but scandalous way of cockamamie management and programming.
It is hard to believe but the Persian Service which supposed to be an organization to convey the policy of the U.S. has become a free platform for hard-line terrorist group of communists who attack the United Sates!
I have the documents in writings to prove that these were done with the full knowledge of the management.
I used to work there and as I said before, I have all the documents in writings.
The manager is a woman called Sheila Gandji who can not read and write Persian. Therefore, in order to hide this shortcoming from the higher management, she has hired an eighty something man called Kambiz Mahmoudi who has a lengthy background as crook and in charlatanism.
You expect a doctor to be in charge of a medical clinic. You expect an engineer to be in charge of an engineering department. You expect a plumber to fix your plumbing.
So why do you expect a person who has no education in Iran and doesn't know the language of that country should be in charge of publicity, literature or politic for such position?
Sheila Gandji falsely pretended and presented herself as educated with background in journalism. These are absolute fabrications. Nobody in Iranian communities inside of the country or outside has any knowledge about her being a journalist, then and now.
Her partner, Kambiz Mahmoudi is a hateful and despicable person whose activities as crook are widely known through out Iran. Can't the U.S. government appoint somebody without such shameful background and baggage?
Don’t think that this is a personal vendetta.
Let me quote you a view from another media:
"The Iran Steering group concluded that much of the anti-American perspective that is broadcast is the result of decisions made by station managers in Washington D.C. and Prague. Sheila Gandji, the manager of Persian service has faced sharp criticism, particularly for her decision to stop VOA shortwave radio program in July, 2006 in order to focus on television broadcasts, which are more susceptible to censorship, since the government regularly confiscates satellites dishes in order to prevent the infiltration of foreign broadcasts."
And this is not the only one. The mismanagement at the Persian Service of Voice of America is the subject of hundreds of web sites and articles in newspapers indicative of disgusts and ridicules in the world about VOA.
The bizarre situation at the Persian Service of Voice of America caused even the Republican Senator Coburn to write a long letter to President Bush about the fiasco there.
It is only in America where the government pays to be insulted. Really, why Voice of America is doing this harm to our nation?
way to go Senator Clinton!
we should be all screaming over the Bushies Bullshit and demand a diplomatic solution. enough senseless blood and murder by the evil Bushco neo-cons.
I like the fact she is co-sponsoring this bill. I did not disagree with the decision to label the Iranian guard a terrorist group. They support Hezzbollah. That is enough for me.
This bill reminds the president he has to ask permission before attacking. Now if he does not, I think it opens the impeachment potential again. Although he will be smart enough to do this late enough in his term they can't remove him from office. Still I would like to see him prosecuted while President Clinton is running the country.
The exceptions will play perfectly into the hands of Bush. He will use Blackwater or another similar mercenary gang to attack our troops to start the confrontation with Iran.
This isn't Hillary speaking; it's Wes Clark.
Now that Wes is a Hillary advisor, you will- for the first time in her political career- hear her saying things about defense that actually make sense.
Edwin @ 64:
Especially when there is no Terr. Unless you mean the Terr being foisted on the psyches of our fellow citizens as an excuse for being stripped of our liberties. Or if you mean the Terr that was manageable before bush made us millions more enemies than we had originally.
The Terr is that dangerous monstrosity in the WH.
Danke @ 58:
Thank you.
Good and salient cartoon
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20071002_our_little_monster/
Webb should run. He'd win.
It is good that she finely understands that her experience means nothing compared to what she actually does with it.
I wounder if she now understands that you need to walk the talk and even more important that you need to listen to others who may just know a little more then you think you do.
Now if she just learns how to dump Rupert Murdock, she may really top these fabricated poll numbers the right wing is promoting against the political interest of most all Americans best interest.
Excuse me for being suspicious, but did she not know yesterday that she in fact had this so called 27 million dollars win fall and if so, why did it take so long to come out with it? Where did all this money come from in one day?, and why is it that the only one that is required to present a tax statement is Senator Obama or at least he is the only one that have presented one. We have to know exactly what the person who is running for this office is really about because we never want to get anyone, even close to Bush.
Chris Mathews continues to promote this campaign for some very suspicious reason, right along with all the right wingers on all these networks and all of us know how much they hate both Senator Clinton and Pres Clinton, so what are they really up to?
It is very clear that huge margins of Americans disagree with the polling data they are promoting and many left wing media personnel are doing their own polling, and excuse me but we are the democrats that will most likely vote for not just her but all the rest of them and not one of the polls done on any of these stations reflect what we get from National Media and if the truth be known Congressman Dennis Kuccinich would be president today based on the information we get.
We need to continue blasting these people about the false in
Strawberry @ 2:
Well, since you suggested it...
"While she voted for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment, she has clarified her position..."
Yep, this sort of says it all. What kind of brains (oh, excuse me, I meant *"experience"*) does it take to vote for the damned Lieberman/Kyl amendment? And then she does a total Hillary and "clarifies" her position??? Either you're for the damned amendment or you're not. Stop working both sides of the street and take some kind of stand--stand for SOMETHING--besides being a calculated, corporate check-receiving machine.
sorry Shillary, i've had my suspisions about you all along but i was willing to give you a chance since it appears you're the Dem's chosen nominee. and then you went and signed on to The Lieberman/Kyle Declaration for War on Iran and there is no way you can weedle back into any beneficial doubt.
you gave Cheney everything he needed to attack Iran and no band-aid after thought measure will convince me OR Darth Cheney that you ever intended to try to stop him.
thanks for yet another war, Shillary.
i won't vote for you.
Crazylove -- You need to check the batteries on your sarcasm meter and then re-read #67
marbotty @ 81:
Yah, settling for the perceived lesser evil because the MSM sold her as front nominee for an entire l8 months. Don't know about you but I deeply resent the media influencing the minds of the public and away from a genuine democrat. I'll write in someone like Joe Biden or Kucinich.
Then we'll not have a candidate who's seeped into our minds like some sort of gas.
Oh, by the way. She was pushed as The Phenomenon on the cover of Newsweek by Rupert Murdoch while her actual poll ratings were flat as an etherized patient at 16%.
Hillary is a fucking bitch. That hasn't changed.
About goddamn time.
Too many loopholes. Far too many. And they know Bush will use them. Later, they'll be wringing their hands about about how they couldn't do anything to prevent it. This is a blank check.
I've got a better idea:
Craft a resolution that says, effectively: "If you commit an act of war without a Congressiojnal declaration of war, we will impeach you as a first step to putting your ass in prison for the rest of your natural life".
The sooner we realize how deeply we are effected by MSM manilpulations the sooner we can grab hold of what is true for US as human beings, and vote according to our truth and not the lies about reality we are infected with by corporate liars and headfuckers with vaults of meanness, hatred and out-of-their-minds with consumption.
Kucinich is a good man. Joe Biden is a good man. Gravel is a good man. Vote THAT way.
Unless you believe you're doomed to vote for who you've been PROGRAMMED will be the nominee. HINT, in your heart of hearts you don't like this person. Pay attention to that.
(Italics have a mind of their own sometimes)
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