Stanford Students, Faculty Protest Rumsfeld's Appointment To On-Campus Think Tank
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Oct 03, 2007 7:03pm
Via CNN:
Students and professors at Stanford University are protesting Donald Rumsfeld's appointment to a campus think tank, saying the former defense secretary does not uphold the "ethical values" of the school.
Shortly after Rumsfeld's appointment was announced in September, professor Pamela Lee began an online petition from faculty members opposed to bringing him to the Hoover Institution.
Since then, the petition has gained more than 3,500 signatures, including nearly 300 faculty members from such diverse disciplines as law, computer science, electrical engineering and drama.
"We view the appointment as fundamentally incompatible with the ethical values of truthfulness, tolerance, disinterested inquiry, respect for national and international laws, and care for the opinions, property and lives of others to which Stanford is inalienably committed," the petition reads. Read more...
We know Rummy doesn't lose any sleep over the soldiers he's responsible for sending to their deaths, so a little petition to keep him off the Stanford campus will probably roll off his back like so much dandruff.
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Rumsfeld is an undeniable war criminal. He should have no place of honor in our society, much less this highly regarded university. Rumsfeld should be in jail!
I've never understood Stanford.
Shudder.
hell.......I don't want him in this state!
rumfeld is the terrorist of the bush administration. he should be turned over to
the Hague in Nuremberg for his crimes against humanity, not spreading more of his
fascists shit.
The ultimate war pig admitted to Stanford. You'd think he'd be rejected out of hand over concerns about his COMPETENCE, but apparently standards at our "top 25" US News and World Report schools aren't what they appear to be.
Geez, do you think the senile old goat could stay awake long enough to do any damage?
I have to agree that rummy is a war criminal and should be rendered to the Hague to stand trial for all the horrendous torturing that he approved! he is no better than a nazi and should be treated like one!
Just a few months ago the Hoover Institute hired General John Abizaid of the Fallujah massacre, too.
And John Yoo of the infamous torture memos now teaches law at Berkeley's Boalt Hall.
What's the problem with Stanford?
The Board of Trustees?
VietVet8666 @ 8:
The Stanford has the same problems as all the "elite" schools have, if you get my drift.
Try appointing the son-of-a-bitch to the inside of a water tank.
Think is something this man is incapable of doing rationally.
I wasn't aware the Rummy could think...clearly anyway. I guess the think tank can figure out what is knowable and what is unknowable and how to make the unknowable knowable. but in the process they might have something they knew they knew but now they don't know it anymore.
I guess what I'm really saying is it is UNTHINKABLE that this criminal be allowed to work in the US, let alone come up with thoughts!
What you guys don't understand is that this is a think tank. They need Rumsfeld to provide ideas so they know exactly what NOT to do.
Stanford is the West Coasts "Yale"
There goes Stanford's tier rating! Rumsfeld is an egomaniac, and will not fit in well with others in the think tank.
People at the top better stick together.
What’s the problem with Stanford?
The Board of Trustees?
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Bingo...Can you say incestuous mix of blue blooded, elitists who can't let an old friend/war criminal like rummy go without a prestigious job. ugh.
The Hoover Institution upholds ethical values? Yeah right, and the moon is made of green cheese. Rumsfeld is a perfect pick for that den of thieves and and far right wing kooks.
Check out their funding:
All far right wing foundations.
known known: Rumsfeld has already been brought up on war crimes charges for which he is likely culpable.
unknown known: Stanford's reasoning for allowing his appointment
unknown unknown: How many students will now not apply or will transfer to a different school over its association with Stanford, and what the long-term damage to the college's reputation will bring.
good on them!
First it was the honoray degree at UMASS for Andrew Card
SMU and President Bush's library (oxymornon at best) and their protest
and now this
it just keeps getting better!
oops:
unknown unknown: How many students will now not apply or will transfer to a different school over its association with Rumsfeld, ...
You'll find those same foundations providing the bulk of funding for other noxious far right think tanks and organizations such as the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the American Enterprise Instutute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute and maybe not so surprisingly, The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). Interesting huh?
Good to see that Stanford is now hiring mass murderers and torture promoters.
No doubt he wanted to be in California to be near his fellow torturer John Yoo.
The Hoover Institute is intellectually dishonest so, this appointment does not surprise me.
Sad how these assclowns, no matter how much of a screwup they were in public life, ALWAYS get a golden parachute.........from?...oh how about either the media or the education system...amazing.
The Stanford Young Republicans must be pissing their pants with glee.
justabill @ 20:
Well...it is in the Bay Area....I'd expect him to get more than a little flak...
That picture of him.......I get the impression I'm looking at Hannibal Lecter.........
jtmonty46 @ 23:
Obviously they must toss out and float ideas these days about how to make wars last as long as po$$ible rather then as short as possible.
mudshark @ 27:
Rummys just another pre 21st century Old Schooler who's entire consciousness is centered around self preservation, kill or be killed, and wealth.
They seem to be living a long a time. Maybe they have the magic pill that extends their working lives well into the 80's.
Of course one has to wonder about a think tank that proudly names itself after one of the worst US Presidents in history next to Bush and Nixon. These @$$clowns are proud of a President who exacerbated economic inequality and perpetuated the Great Depression. During Hoover's reign, shanty towns sprang up across America popularly known as Hoovervilles.
well, Stanford used to be a good school.
not anymore!
war criminals have no place in a place of education.
The Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace
Notice they put Peace in last place. Lowest priority.
Damn those liberal places of higher learning and their whacko reich-wing think tanks. Liberal schools is just as much a myth as the liberal media.
The only thing Rumsfeld and all the rest of the Bushtards can teach is how to lie and maybe how to delude yourself into believing your own bullshit. Everything else they've done would earn them an 'F'.
I THINK IT WAS A BRILLIANT MOVE BY STANFORD. HE COULD TEACH CLASSES NO OTHER UNIV COULD OFFER. "HOW TO DESTROY A COUNTRY", "THE EASY WAY TO WAR-- LIE", "HOW TO FUCK UP A WAR AND DENY IT", "HOW TO WORK FOR AN ASSHOLE, AND GET WHAT YOU WANT", "HOW TO RUIN THE U.S. MILITARY", "FUCK PEACE, WAR IS WHERE THE BIG MONEY IS" etc. etc.
Stanford post graduate degree in Unintelligent Design..
Rumsfeld should go to jail and not to Stanford. His actions in Iraq have been criminal. He was responsible for destroying 100,000s of lives, destroying a country, and spending $100 billions of this country's money.
He should be held accountable for all his lies and deception. Failing this he should go away and retire somewhere out of the public eye.
History will not judge him well..... why would Stanford ever want to be on this guy's resume when they write the history books on this baffoon??
with condi the oil whore rice going there after her "service" to the country is up, somebody could go out there and make it a twofer. maybe they will invite KKKarl rove out for a speech and it could be a threefer. stunning. do they sell glaser safety slugs in California?
jim @ 37:
She's still a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution at Standford.
"Institution" is actually an appropriate term. Institution for the criminally insane.
West Coast schools vaccuum up RW idiots.
Ken Starr
Etc.
Uh...don't you want to appoint someone who thinks to your think tank?
Madame Defarge @ 9:
You mean they have to admit a lot of George Bush types to finance the students who truly belong there?
Their going to appoint someone who goes along to get along.
Isn't the concept of Donald Rumsfeld and "Think! Tank!" redundant?
Kenny @ 1:
Nothing to add.
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Alter's article in Newsweek re arthur Schlesinger's Journals....."Schlesiger picks up much of his best stuff from a friend and fellow gossip Henry Kissinger.....he quotes Kissinger describing George H.W. Bush as "a very petty man" and Donald Rumsfeld as "the rottenest person he had known in government." Guess we were all pretty good judges of character after all.
I went to UC Berkeley, there we would have had the whole Campus out in front of the Fountain by Sproul Hall.
Rumsfeld is a War Criminal, he should be tried, convicted and sentenced.
the only people left in the world who still love W
How can a man incapable of cognition outside the box that sits on his shoulders be appointed to something called a think tank?
I've got a tank here in my house he'd fit in just fine. In fact he's just been flushed.
Hell, they're right, but they already have D'Souza! Protest him, too!
The problem with letting criminals like Rummy join a university think tank is that his crazy ideas might actually make their way to the class room and to the curriculum. It's a hyperbole, of course, but does Stanford want to be the 21 century training camp for Hitler youth?
Bangkok-Bob @ 46:
Yup, but now I live just a couple of miles from Stanford. That meant occasional sightings of Chelsea Clinton in the past, but this is kinda depressing.
Typical squinty-eyed, weasly Republican.
Rummy's being on Stanford's campus will only hurt when students decide to quite enrolling there.
Especially the athletes. If they want to beat Cal in the PAC-10, and they can't recruit good football and basketball players because of Rummy's presence, watch how fast this appointment gets recinded.
As someone upthread has pointed out, Stanford is in the Bay Area. Rummy would be well advised to lay low, avoid San Francisco, and never, under any circumstance, order a bowl of soup from any of region's many excellent restaurants.
Bangkok-Bob @ 46:
Stanford is a lot more conservative than Berkeley. If you walk down University Ave. in Palo Alto, you wouldn't know that it was just outside the University. Stanford is the only University that I know of with a Nieman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue on school property.
naschkatze @ 41:
There's no way I can be politically correct, but let's just say Stanford, like all other "elite" schools has a disproportionate representation of certain members of a certain group who are eager to wage war on Muslims.
Batocchio @ 50:
Barf Bag Alert:
In addition to D'Souza, Hoover Institute fellows include Christopher Hitchens, John (son of Norman) Podhoretz, and LAURA INGRAHAM.
Ouch .... :-)
Bangkok-Bob @ 46:
How the hell did John "Torture Memo" Yoo get hired to teach at Boalt Hall?
@ # 18, justabill
Forget it! Germany backed down and nothing will happen as long as Christian Democrat Angela Merkel is chancellor and as long as the psychotic Wolfgang Schäuble is Minister of the Interior.
Shame shame shame on the German government!
NO JUSTICE FOR EL-MASRI
Germany Drops Pursuit of CIA Kidnappers
The German government has said it will not pursue extradition requests for 13 CIA agents charged with kidnapping a German citizen and taking him to Afghanistan for interrogation and abuse. Relations with the US government, Berlin says, are more important.
For a moment earlier this year, it seemed as though Germany might turn international relations on their head. A Munich court in January issued arrest warrants (more…) for 13 CIA agents allegedly responsible for kidnapping a German citizen. The agents are accused of flying him to Afghanistan for interrogation before dumping him on the side of an Albanian road in May 2004 after they realized they had abducted the wrong man.
Now, though, in the face of US intransigence, Germany has backed down. SPIEGEL has discovered that, in order to avoid a conflict with Washington, Berlin has decided to forgo forwarding a formal request that the agents be arrested. Germany’s Justice Ministry sent out a feeler in late August to determine how Washington might react to such a request. The answer was clear: Washington is fundamentally unprepared (more…) to move against the agents.
Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries’ decision to jettison the case doesn’t just sidestep a potential trans-Atlantic spat, it also avoids a further deepening of existing tensions within Germany’s governing coalition. Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats, had promised to veto an official request if Zypries, a member of the Social Democrats, elected to pursue the case. (article continues)
read on:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,507455,00.html
And exactly the same will happen in the Rumsfeld case you´re referring to. Sad but true.
We don't want Rumsfeld in Stanford or any place in California. He should stay in Texas with the BUSH mafia.
Just wait until Condi takes her office at Stanford in January 2009.
the 4th Reich is rising @ 61:
I forget where I read this, or perhaps it was a YouTube video, anyway, the German secret service altered the CIA when El-Masri left Germany en route to Turkey. He was held by the CIA in a hotel room, handcuffed to the bed. After 8 days he was transported to Afghanistan where he was tortured for months. He was eventually flown back to Albania and thrown out of a van at night in the woods.
If I were him, I'd sue the German government and renounce my citizenship. With a government like that, who needs enemies?
@ # 64, Bob Allen
Nailed it!
Remove his stock of Miller High Life.
"War with the Muslim world cause of the Saudis 9/11?
You must be crazy".
I'm sick of these war criminals getting wingnut welfare jobs. This country is filled with star fuckers
if the students can prevent this they will show the rest of the country how it's done. Godspeed.
Why would they want this bastard any where near a school or worse yet, our kids. I am sure he has army recruiters in tow
No shit on the "he doesn't lose any sleep" comment.
That picture looks like he's been asleep for about 3 thousand years.
The Revenge of the Rummy...
That - that is an absolutely terrifying picture of the Don.
he should be transferred to the campus of san quienten and given lifetime tenure.
Stanford is not getting another dime of alumni money out of me. A war criminal on the faculty?
This is a disgrace.
They should next take a look at the person or persons who thought it was a good idea to appoint him in the first place.
good for them
Are we still paying for Secret Service protection and travel expenses for that evil old loon? I'd really resent that.
I assumed he would go to work for Halliburton in Dubai. Does Stanford really need input such as "Henny Penny the sky is falling!" "Stuff happens!" I hope Stanford welcomes him to the Academia like UMass welcomed the Ass Whisperer Andy Card. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpJOXEFDWhs
You have to keep us posted on Rumsfeld v Stanford....................
Stanford makes me believe there is still hope for America.......................
Kenny @ 1:
I hope people protest until this bum is gone.
Isn't the Carlyle Group more his speed?
He cares more than he lets on. Nobody wants to be treated like a pariah, and few people deserve it more than Rummy. The only appropriate way for decent people in a decent society to react to Rumsfeld is to loudly declare their desire to have nothing to do with him.
mudshark @ 3:
I don't want him in this country nor world.
The students should not be signing petitions but rather letting Standford know that if Rummy comes in they will leave the university. The checkbook is mightier than the page,
"New Rule: you can't call yourself a think tank if all your ideas are stupid."
Bill Maher
So what? He'll still be on the think-tank! You think a silly-assed petition is goiong to change things. Best say hello to your new member, Donnie "The Don" Rumsfeld...........
Recall that Stanford's Hoover Institution (a bad word on the campus due to its neo-fascist leanings) was also the breeding ground for our current token bitch in the administration - condi rice.
There is something irreconcilibly ridiculous about appointing Dumsfailed to a THINK TANK. Isn't that an oxymoron, Dumsfailed in a Think Tank?
It's probably a Republican funded cess pool (aka think tank). Rummy is just where he belongs, with the other excreta.
bob h @ 80:
This Carlisle Group?
http://www.guitaristka.ru/zapad/gogos/go_c4.jpg
I think Rumsfeld's participation is really beside the point here. Why is an institution of higher learning playing host to some oxymoronic contrivance called a "conservative think tank"?
As a Stanford Alumnus, I signed the petition but I am afraid all I've done is add to whatever dossier the FBI has on me. My crime? Being a progressive liberal. That is the state of America in 2007.
I do also want to respond to the various bloggers who have criticized Stanford. Rumsfeld's appointment is at the Hoover Institution which is affiliated with the University but not a part of the University. Hoover has its own board of trustees and the University nor its board of trustees has any oversight or appointment approval over Hoover. Hoover has its own separate funding and a separate mission. It is a think tank akin to the Heritage Foundation or the American Enterprise Institute. Its fellows are exempt from teaching though when I attended Stanford both as an undergrad and graduate student, some fellows did teach, I am not sure if this is the case. The sophomore seminars that Hoover fellows led where not popular. Hoover's relationship with Stanford grew out of Herbert Hoover's Presidential Library and apart from sitting in the middle of the Stanford campus and Stanford land, Hoover is a world apart. This is a Hoover appointment not a Stanford one and Stanford's ability to resist this appointment is nil effectively. And for the record, Dr. Rice is a tenured member of the Stanford faculty (Dept. of Political Science). She has expressed her desire to return to Stanford and under the law, she has every right to but I expect that she will likely return to some sort of joint position (Hoover and Stanford). I took one class with Dr. Rice on US-Soviet Arms Negotiations and she is an exceptional instructor. Still her hands are now drenched with Iraqi blood while dipped in Chevron's oil. I dislike her but she does have the right to return to Stanford as a member of the Stanford community. Mr. Rumsfeld has no such affiliation. He is strictly Hoover.
Noone I know wants that sonofabitch out here... But ya know what... Fuck it... Come on out Rummy... You might have yourself a merry old time dreaming up machieviellian schemes inside the Hoover bullshit thinktank... But unless you brought a sleeping bag you're going to have come and go eventually... And I don't personally think the environs outside that institution are going to embrace you with little candies and flowers asshole...
Good luck with that motherfucker.... Methinks sooner or later someone will confront your phony ass seriously and take you to task for what you and your kind have done to this nation... I ain't advocatin violence against you personally... but if you start turning up in hospital emergency rooms with little oowies, I won't be surprised... And I won't be shedding any tears...
And I've read some oped pieces lately whereby right wing writers are trying to run phony guilt trips about freedom of speech and why he should be allowed to come to the Hoover institution without any opposition and blah blah blah... Ya know, I'm an American and I believe in freedom of speech... I also believe that old motherfucker forfeited that right with his underhanded bullshit. He is a principle in all this who really needs 'rendered'... To the Hague for warcrimes!!!.. He no more deserves some freedom of speech defense any more than the moron who shouts fire in a crowded movie theater when there isn't one....JD
Isn't Rumsfeld about 170 years old, and doesn't he belong in a geriatric establishment?
It's clear he quit learning many decades ago, so why is anyone employing him? - give him a pension, and put him out to pasture, for heaven's sake!
First Rumsfeld arms Saddam Hussein--giving and selling him millions of dollars of weapons, as part of the cherished 'enemy of my enemy' foreign policy guidelines. Hussein then uses these weapons against everyone--including the US and is own nation's citizens. Then Rumsfeld helps start a war with Hussein so that we can kill him, rob his nation, and finish the job he started against his own population. So--it looks like a win/win situation to me. Could it be that the unpatriotic faculty and students at Stanford don't have adequate 'school spirit' to mount an invasion of UCLA? Cowards.
Late comment.
Funny thing about think tanks, I usually find it hard to think when I'm tanked.
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