October 19, 2007 09:38 AM
Flashback 1988: George Bush On The National Guard And Viet Nam
(h/t BillW) Take a look at this video from 1988 of Connie Chung interviewing a much younger George W. Bush at the 1988 Republican National Convention. Chung asks Bush about then Vice Presidential Candidate, Dan Quayle, and his admission that phone calls had been made to get him out of serving in Viet Nam and into the National Guard. Our future president lauds Quayle for his service in the Guard, then proceeds to gloat to a surprised Chung:
Bush: "I flew fighters in the Texas Air National Guard for which I'm very proud." [Snip]
"They should have probably called up the National Guard in those days. Maybe we would have done better in Vietnam."
The village idiot conveniently failed to mention that he checked "no" on the form which asked if he wanted to serve in Vietnam. (I can't remember the official title of the form.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/19/AR200710...
I thought we were fighting them over there so that we don't have to fight them over here. Once again, Bush fails.
An idiot dork then, an idiot dork now.
Oh, Georgie, you make me so proud. You are so bad that even marines are saying you are the worst ever.
"... they should have called up the National Guard in those days, maybe we would have done better in Viet Nam." But would Bush still be AWOL or would he fly a fighter jet in the skies over Viet Nam instead of flying the skies over Texas?
He had a pee wee brain then and a pee wee brain now.
ralph @ 4:
Hey! I resembled that remark (USMC 1989-1993). :lol: Though I've always said he was the worst ever. Guess I beat my fellow Marines to the punch. :lol:
he was so articulate back then. Early onset alzheimer's is a bitch.
What a shock: the media sucked wind then, and continues to suck wind now. To let Bush simply miss the point of why people "made calls" is just sad. They "made calls" so they DIDNT HAVE TO FREAKING GO TO VIETNAM- because they knew full well the guard was not going to be called up, as did Bush. For Chung not to stress that sailent point is irresponsible of course. But that's the media: always pushed around by buffoons like Bush because they like, like Bush, like to keep their cushy jobs.
I will give Bush one thing, he has always been consistent in his cowardice.
http://www.awolbush.com
OMG....speechless....just speechless
Maybe Bush should have went into acting. At least there, he could play soldier like other cowards such as Bruce Willis and John Wayne.
Yep. There's nothing the Vietcong feared more than coked-up frat boys.
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Oh, I see... if only we'd sent the Fortunate Sons (whose fathers arranged for them to avoid combat by pulling strings to get them in the National Guard ahead of others), THEY would have been more successful in Vietnam.
What a complete and utter ass.
Joe O. @ 6:
ditto (USMC 83'-90')
“They should have probably called up the National Guard in those days. Maybe we would have done better in Vietnam.”
Right
But they never did, I guess because your daddy didn't want your fingernails being scratched.
So easy to brag about it 20 years later, I bet you remained silent and were told to keep a very low profile in 1968.
Isn't it amazing and totally backwards. You have Republican politicians such as Bush along with famous movie stars or other television personalities such as Bruce Willis, John Wayne, Bill O'Reilly and Brit Hume etc. who, people view or hear as being "tough". In reality though, they are and always have been cowards and did every thing they could to avoid military service.
Then, on the other side, you have most Democrats, Indepedents, and movie stars such a Jimmie Stewart or hosts such as Randi Rhodes etc. who have served but are never seen as tough even though they actually are and have proved it.
Is he trying to say that National Guard airmen are better than the Air force or Navy Airmen.
Joe O. @ 18:
Stewart was a right-wing dickhead. Good actor,though.
Joementum @ 20:
That may be but unlike John Wayne (who was far, far right) Stewart actually served and obtained the rank of Brigadier General in the Air Force along with numerous citations. In my opinion, Stewart can talk the talk because he walked the walk as they say.
You're damn right Joe, when you "get the T-shirt and the girl/been there, done that" you don't have to prove anything to anybody because everybody knows what you did or accomplished, your self confidence shows.
On the other hand, wannabes are constantly in task of justifying themselves, they need to play the part because they never did the real thing. That's why they are wannabes.
Of course if chimps unit was called up it wouldn't have mattered, he deserted.
no one to defend "the coward-in-chief". maybe we should call up the trolls!
joe cantwell @ 24:
Can't do...that 24 percent are hiding out in their basement fearing the turrest are coming.
Bush: “I flew fighters in the Texas Air National Guard for which I’m very proud.”
Mr. President, time to put out those pants, it's damaging that phone line.
Coffins draped in flags @ 5:
Hellfire! It ain't to damn late. Strap an F-16 to his wrinkly ass and fire this shithead right into The MeatGrinder.
Bar would be so chuffed!
The reason why Bush is pres., and we're in this mess.... QUAYLE'S REVENGE!
hehehe
That moron went awol for a year doing drugs in Alabama instead of serving!
Doggiebobo @ 25:
Cheeto gobblin' cowards!
Chung had no idea what she was stepping in. Of course Bush wouldn't criticize quayle. He did the exact same thing. You scratch the surface just a little bit on these idiots, you discover the crony network.
Of course he could talk tough back then. What would he have done if there had been no draft back then as now?
Three words: Spoiled. Frat. Boy.
"he was so articulate back then. Early onset alzheimer’s is a bitch----Erik Taylor"
I have always said this and the media just ignores it. Here is the link showing comparison videos indicating how articulate Bush was durng his governorship of Texas, and when he became president with all the misplaced words and pronunciations, malapropisms, gaffes, stuttering, dysfunctional ideas. Neurologists who comment on the comparison videos claim that he DOES have some sort of dementia. Isn't that nice? No wonder the media has been threatened not to advertise it. But we have over a million
unnecessary innocent deaths because his physicians have covered up this fact, and they too should be charged with treason :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo&feature=PlayList&p=BA6B45987E3762...
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If only Bush could have been called up...
he could have done a much better job than the "phony soldiers", right?
This President is an idiot and a disgrace to America.
Talking tough is easy... when daddy is there pulling the strings.
He knew then, as he does now, he'll never have to back up all of that tough talk.
Joe O. @ 12:
If I remember correctly, John Wayne avoided service in WWII by filing for a hardship deferment. Apparently his service pay wouldn't support his family. He was only 34 at the time. That didn't seem to bother Clark Gable (40), Henry Fonda (36) and Jimmy Stewart (32) who did enlist.
Part of the problem may have been that John Wayne would have to serve as and enlisted man since he didn't graduate from college as the others did.
Is it just me...I can't help but [deleted - please don't advocate violence here]
Sweet lord GAWD!!! I hates me some George Bush!!!! What a fuckin asshole!!
If George W. Bush really wanted to fight in Vietnam, he could have joined the regular airforce, and I'm sure they'd have been happy to teach him to fly a Thud (F-105).
Since he conveniently got an (sic) open slot to enter the National Guard to avoid serving in Vietnam, calling up the Guard at that time would probably have driven him to a drug and/or alcohol overdose.......maybe he would have went into shock. Alas, no platform front man for NWO or PNAC. No worldwide chaos with the U.S. at the center.
Another video someone should analyze is during the debates ,for the 2004 election, a young child asked the pResident what his reaction was in seeing the planes hit the Trade Center. He replied(not verbatim),"I thought it was a pilot in trouble". Two things trouble me about that comment: 1.) He deliberately fibbed to a child on National Television and no one in the audience was upset. If you remember he said he SAW the first plane hit on television BEFORE the "Pet Goat" reading. Thus he missed a second chance to demonstrate leadership DURING the 'Pet Goat" reading. AFTER the "Pet Goat" reading
really capitulated his disconnection with the responsiblity of the Leader of the Free World...A press conference surrounded by staff at the school of the "Pet Goat"reading followed by...ready?? A PHOTO-OP. 2.) This happened a little more than a month after the Aug.6th PDB and nothing clicked as to something major was happening in America in his mind, heart or soul. No instinctive reactions, just a bad pilot hit the Tower....I guess the "Pet Goat was really heavy reading to absorb, so much so there was no room in his mind for thinking.
Doggiebobo @ 25:
I do believe you are correct. Once again, the MSM and the 24 percenters make wee-wee in their pants on cue.
Added comment after 'Aug6th PDB'....was it a purposeful plant put in place to implicate Al Qaeda as the perps of the attacks? Condeleeza referred to it as 'historical information'. ha From day one the media was saying they did it.
I am not a conspiracy nut or activist, but I do have common sense.
I apologize also for going off topic. But she should have asked him where were his military buddies. No one wanted to be in the limelight with their now pResidential fellow National Guard veteran buddy, pal, friend?????????????????
Johnny2Bad @ 33:
can I add 3 more?
EVIL MONKEY KING
"They should have probably called up the National Guard in those days. Maybe we would have done better in Vietnam.”
Schmuck!
If you look at his actions after Card came in and told him the planes had hit the towers, it is obvious that he knew what was going on.
the media memory hole everything he says to keep the corporate tax cut
You're going to hate me.
But I'm going to pay George a compliment. Sort of.
He could speak much better in those days. Not that they made sense, but the words actually came out.
WTF happened to his speech?
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)
Too bad Colin sold his soul to the devil.
President George W. Bush’s cowardice is the worst kind. Mr. Bush avoided combat in Vietnam. While others served, giving their lives and limbs, the president's family connections got him a safe spot in the Texas Air National Guard. This is not the profile of a leader. How did Bush get into the National Guard so easily when there were more than 100,000 young men on waiting lists around the country?
curtilingus @ 48:
I was thinking the same thing.
This video is ok, but I'm waiting for the youtube showing boosh snorting a three-foot line. One day...
46 Ron Says: If you look at his actions after Card came in and told him the planes had hit the towers, it is obvious that he knew what was going on.
-ftw.
he farking knew.
dubyah said he didn't think anyone made calls on his behalf to get him into the guard. Reich-wingers really do worship the lowest common denominators.
mystic @ 34:
BAH! No way. This has nothing to do with Alzheimers.
It is self-inflicted brain damage, pure and simple.
Spoiled rich frat boy has brain damage from all the cocaine he snorted.
George, the only thing you flew during Vietnam was off your barstool.
mystic @ 34:
9/11 changed everything
Too bad the chimperor didn't go to 'Nam. He would have been a prime fragging candidate.
A quote from "Phony Fighter Pilot" by Hugh E. Scott
http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/
"FACTS CHECK
BOGUS BIO: Bush "spent two years on active duty, flying F-102 fighter interceptors."
FACT: He served 18 months on active duty, not 24. Of those, 13 months were spent in
basic training and USAF flight school, NONE of it flying F102s.
It’s worth noting that George W. was the only National Guard pilot during the Vietnam
War to be commissioned without any officer training whatsoever. He never attended
a service academy like West Point, never took college ROTC, never went to Officers
Candidate School and never served on active duty as an enlisted man.
So how did Dub-ya learn to be an officer? He didn’t. The only military training Shrub
received prior to being commissioned happened during a six-week basic airman course,
the equivalent of Army boot camp for privates. Even more absurd, while his fellow
recruits marched, pulled KP and cleaned toilets, Airman Bush was given a week off to
work for the GOP in Florida."
“They should have probably called up the National Guard in those days. Maybe we would have done better in Vietnam.”
The US would have been better off today anyway.
mystic @34, stirfy @50: thanks for this, i want to see more of these "Young Bush" clips, they're somehow funny... ('specially if we can find that one of him snorting a 3' line)
eric taylor @ 7:
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it's not a disease it's plain old idiocy.
when i was growing up my mom and dad just loved ann richards. she was a really smart lady with sharp wit, always cracking on poor old george...but The Party saw to it that he got elected gov anyway. they made him gov just as they made him president with cons, lies and dirty tricks--oh yeah, also lawyers, money and well i don't know about guns but they'd have to be hired. none of those panty wearing goopers would do anything themselves.
Damn, I'm SO proud of The Shrub defending Alabama from the evil Communist menace while I was on a gunboat getting my ass shot at by Charlie in the Mekong Delta.
At least he's consistent, fighting the wrong war in the wrong place. My hero, Captain Codpiece.
He looks freshly coked up.
"Stewart was a right-wing dickhead. Good actor,though."
George Bailey was a GOPer????
Say it ain't so!
"George Bailey was a GOPer????
Say it ain’t so!"
So was director Frank Capra.
But remember that those were vastly different times than these. Black people voted Republican back then, while the entire South was owned by the Democrats.
Here's a piece about the far right hypocracy I got
last year. Just keeps going and going and going...
Anybody see any hypocrisy here?
Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft
but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
* John Murtha: Marines, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Bronze Star
Republicans -- These are the guys sending people to war:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight
instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate;
failed to show up for required medical exam,
disappeared from duty.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a
non-combat role making movies.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve. (Did oppose the war in Iraq)
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Gerald Mcraney: did not serve. Played a Vietnam Vet
on 3 TV shows (Simon & Simon, Major Dad, and Promise
Land)
ohio liberal @ 63:
Yup, Jimmy Stewart was a loyal Republican. And a strong proponent of the Vietnam war. His son was killed in Vietnam, which must have hurt the father grievously. Too bad the kid didn't join the National Guard.
“They should have probably called up the National Guard in those days. Maybe we would have done better in Vietnam.”
maybe if we had at the very least maybe it would have removed Goerge Bush from any posibility of screwing up this country they way he has these past 6 years. But it's ok, right conservatives? becuase Bush is a man of faith...never mind if he's a murderer, he's a faithful murderer and Jesus will forgive him...right? right?!? RIGHT?!?
Yup, Jimmy Stewart was a loyal Republican. And a strong proponent of the Vietnam war. His son was killed in Vietnam, which must have hurt the father grievously. Too bad the kid didn't join the National Guard.
it's sad, all the real Americans who were tricked into giving up their sons for the lies of the warmongers...it's no different from the crimial war we have now.
As so many others, I'm not astonished to see that W's arrogance was absolutely in place at that time, and I am astonished at how fluently he managed to speak compared to now.
#65 * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a ‘pilonidal cyst.’)
that's polite talk for a zit on his ass. something rush never talks about.
Andy K @ 64:
You're right. Capra was a Republican, but then, back in his time, the Republican party was much, much different than it is today. Capra would be thrown out by today's GOP. Anne Coulter would call him a commune loving, hippie, commie, liberal faggot after seeing his films (especially Lost Horizon and Mr. Smith Goes To Washington).
Capra would never be a George W. Bush/Ronald Reagan Republican.
I'm sure georgie-boy has a lot of flashbacks.
joe cantwell @ 70:
That's because the zits better spoken.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Al Gore enlisted for Vietnam?! Wow. I either missed that during the 2000 campaign, or have blotted it out with the rest of the tragedy that was that election. Wonder what he was doing the other 2 years... As a senator's son, I thought he get the same sort of "special treatment" that little King George did.
Once a slime ball, always a slime ball.
We need to add another phrase to John Lennon's song 'Imagine'
Imagine Bush went to Vietnam...
The problem is it isn't easy even if you try, it's imposable.
I seem to recall reading that Bush went AWOL just after they started talking about using air national guard pilots to replace the ones shot down in Vietnam. A few phone calls weren't enough to keep him out, so George just walked away and went drinking.
curtilingus @ 48:
the man is a dry drunk
all that coke and booze killed off lots of brain cells
as he has gotten older his brain has continued to die
but damn....he was a great liar even 20 years ago
Biggus Diggus @ 62:
Maybe the coke did him some good, he was at least somewhat articulate in that interview. Didn't him-haw around as much.
What gall he has, I have a friend that I went to AIT with who is currently in the South Carolina National Guard and he has already deployed, hell it was he absence of the Louisiana guard that helped exacerbate the hurricane Katrina disaster. I will repeat what was told to me by my Drill Sergeant's, going AWOL during a time of war carries a potential death penalty sentence, and we all know how much Jr. loves the death penalty.
Dr. Matt @ 55:
lol Everything is so different now that we must forget our history. Like Cheney did. Remember Dick said back in early 90's that if we had gone into Baghdad and toppled the government, this would lead to a quagmire.
I guess because of 9/11 we should forget everything.
gempei @ 26:
historically correct statement of bush:
bush: I fled from all flying and honor in the Texas Air National Guard for which I'm a very insensitive prick. There isn't a lie too small that i won't tell.
what a monkey's ass.
Limbaughs Draft Record for all to see, is in the post with Olberman and Huffington at 10:05 , entitled
" Limbaugh at it again....." Reply #18! Looks truth telling also evaded him as a a young boy of 18 also!
If only we could actually do this. How names will be on Geo. W. Bushes Wall? How many will suffer horrible injuries that shorten their lives? All because of a group of draft dodgers.
Re-BUG-licans, all mounted and ready to process!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12461951@N03/
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2418/1660002250_7980c65235_o.jpg
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Shrub:
Bwahaaaahaaa! What a maroon. Our fine fighting folks were doing their job excellently, Shrub. They were devastating the other side tactically. It was the strategy which was flawed. There was no goal except "stay the course". Which is why we lost strategically.
This is rich: not only did he not check the box to go to 'Nam, he got into the guard to avoid it; went AWOL and deserted even his mechanism for avoiding 'Nam, and for me, the kicker is that AWOLs and deserters were supposed to be on the short list for active duty in 'Nam USAF. Disingenuous in 3 dimensions.
Just more of the same...
The poor and lower middle class lining up to give their life, limbs, and blood for the benifit of the wealthy and powerful.
They swallow the propaganda without chewing. Maybe that's why they will forever be poor, they just don't get it.
chung asks bush outright if anyone made similar "calls" for him to get him into the national guard. bush states emphatically no while emphasizing how proud he was to have served in the guard just as millions of other who also serve in the guard should be proud. excuse me but i forget the name of the guy a few months ago who stated that he had made the "calls" to get bush placed in the guard and now he was regretful that he had done so. Big fat lie.
a search of the web to give credence to my earlier comment produced this, ". Ben Barnes, who was speaker of the Texas House of Representatives in 1968, said in a deposition in 2000 that he placed a call to get young Bush a coveted slot in the Guard at the request of a Bush family friend."
#65 Ken:
Actually Cheney had more that several deferments. This King of the Cowardly Conservative Chickenhawks took 5 deferments the final one being when just being married without kids (his 4 deferrment) was no longer enough to avoid combat. His 5th deferment he took 9 months prior to the birth of his first daughter when married with kids was the only way you could get out of going to Vietnam. Now THAT''S what I call a cowardly lion with a Vietnam baby!
All of BushCo are slimbags cowardly scum but Cheney is just below The Chimperor as the lowest of the low.
You can pick up your bucket of "Chickenhawk Legs" at KFC, Crawford ranch or jsut go tothe all new GOP drive-thru...........................................
Emphatic Denial:
NO! Uh, that is I don't think so, but the National Guard is the same as the Green Berets, only sometimes somebody has to make phone calls, and I don't have a problem with that. Oh and by the way Dan Quayle and I could have been the difference in Vietnam if they would have asked.
Sounds like an admission that phone calls were made by Daddy and his friends.
Johnny2Bad @ 33:
All that needs to be said. Little bitch looks like he's off to a pledge drive.
The only coup George ever took was with a coke spoon.
I had 3 brothers who were in the Idaho National Guard, 116th Engineer Batallion. They were activated in 1968. Two of them served in Vietnam. One brother was the Batallion barber and my other brother at the age of about 20, worked in a morgue in Saigon. The Idaho Governor Samuelson volunteered them to serve. If they would have been active in the Mormon Church, perhaps they could have gone on a mission to avoid serving in Vietnam. I was 12 - 13 at the time, but remember it well.
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