Goldberg and Hall bash O'Reilly over his Coulter interview: "The French Kiss!"
By John Amato Friday Oct 19, 2007 1:15pm
The Factor has their special segments during the week with different teams joining BillO and one such duo features the dreaded Bernard Goldberg and the very decent Jane Hall. BillO interviewed Coulter earlier in the week after she made her anti-semtic remarks and he never even brought up what she said to his audience. He's a very shrewd guy when he tries to shield a friend from shame. Surprisingly, Bernie blasted him for his kissy-face-love-in-with Annie.
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Goldberg: You got very passionate about the Catholic sacrilege in SF, but when Ann Coulter made her comment about everybody should be a Christian, including all the Jews because they should be more perfected---man--I was waiting for you two to French kiss, I mean it was... it was -- you weren't the old Bill O'Reilly.
O'Reilly: I covered the controversy
Hall: She says anti-Semitic things, she says anti-gay things and no one seems to ever call her on it.
O'Reilly: You're right, maybe I should have said it was anti-semitic. I don't think it was anti-Semitic. I think it was just dumb!
Full transcipt below the fold
via Media Matters:
GOLDBERG: Bill, I say this as a friend and as a supporter of the show. And I watch it all the time and all that. But you got very passionate about the Catholic sacrilege in San Francisco, but when Ann Coulter made her comment about how everybody should be a Christian, including all the Jews, because they should be more perfected, man, I was waiting for you two to French kiss. I mean, it was -- you weren't the old Bill O'Reilly.
O'REILLY: I ignored the controversy. No, no, no. Look, here's why I did what I did, and then I want you both to comment quickly.
I never debate theology with a non-theologian, ever. Bill Maher says Christians are idiots. I'm an idiot for being a Roman Catholic and going to church. That's what he says. Would I debate him on it? No. Do I care what he says? No.
Ann Coulter is a commentator. She says some crazy thing that I think is unjustifiable. But why do I want to debate it with her? She doesn't have any credibility in the area.
HALL: But Bill, you said everybody should be challenged. I think Bernie's got a good point.
O'REILLY: Well, I did challenge her in the interview, Jane. It wasn't a kissypoo interview. I mean -- but I wanted to --
GOLDBERG: Yes, it was.
O'REILLY: No, it wasn't. I got into --
GOLDBERG: Yes, it was.
O'REILLY: I got into politics with her pretty heavily. Oh, come on, Bernie. I said there -- you're telling -- on your cover that all Democrats are idiots? Come on. You can't possibly think that. Come on.
I didn't want to get into that because I don't give it any credibility, Bernie.
HALL: Yeah, but I think Bernie's got a point. There's certain people -- Ann Coulter is on the Today show. She is loved by the mainstream media. She says anti-Semitic things. She says anti-gay things. And no one seems to ever call her on it.
O'REILLY: All right. Maybe I should have said it was anti-Semitic. I don't think it was anti-Semitic. I think it was just dumb.
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Keep up the insubordination, Bernie, and you'll be excommunicated from Billo World, just like Michelle Malkin!
Bill- You're "just dumb". Harvard and Marist should revoke your degrees. And WHY does he get paid millions of dollars to talk shit???
Not anti-Semitic and this bottom feeder O'reilly calls her dumb .
Who was this "old Bill O'Reilly"? The clown who hosted segments on Monkeys in the early 1990s?
George_Metesky @ 2:
Because there are enough idiots and knuckle draggers out there that keep watching him.
You know it's pretty bad when Billo's own lapdogs are calling him out.
Turd analysis.
Look, C&L. You guys can't just create a conversation out of thin air by picking and choosing lines from a longer clip. That's just ridiculous. That's the kind of crap Limbaugh pulls!
And yes, O'Reilly is a blowhard idiot and his rationalizations for not calling Coulter on her bull make even less sense in the ACTUAL conversation, which is conveniently located "below the fold".
Bill O' only debates theology with a theologian why in the name of anything holy would a real theologian want to debate religion with that mental piss-ant Ann Coultergist is more his speed then again the bitch might call him out and bust the bubble
why give any of these assholes the time of day?
Did he say "I covered the controversy" or "I ignored the controversy?"
'Cause there's, like, a shade of difference between the two...
The lesson we have learned here is that nobody needs to watch or listen to Bill O'Reilly anymore, because he will not debate issues or react in any way to things said by his guests.
In my book, that means his company is overpaying him, but they must be too stupid to realize it.
I guess it really is just Fox Noise.
Coulter is one of the primary reasons the MSM can go to hell. Why they give her a platform, I don't know...
Hey Bernie:
Here's a clue. You've been playing with anti-semites for awhile now.
Deal with it.
curtilingus @ 7:
sweet and to the point.........upon close inspection...yep that's Billo!
Why is this important???...
...IT ISN'T. It's a complete waste of time.
O’Reilly: You’re right, maybe I should have said it was anti-semitic. I don’t think it was anti-Semitic. I think it was just dumb!
Takes one to know one!
lupercus @ 11:
I covered up the controversy.
Ali @ 10:
I wish I knew. Fanaticism is the opposite of intelligence. People like Bill O. and Ann Coulter are fanatics and say ignorant things. If you tune into Fox News, (The Loud Fanatic News Channel) guess what you're going to hear?
O’REILLY: ...
I never debate theology with a non-theologian, ever. Bill Maher says Christians are idiots. I’m an idiot for being a Roman Catholic and going to church. That’s what he says. Would I debate him on it? No. Do I care what he says? No.
He did debate it with Maher. Whether he cared or not is anybody's guess.
anonymous @ 8:
anonymous-you were always a self-righteous Repub. Why prove
this boring fact posting in C&L? Don't you have plenty of
right-wing blogs to read your bullshit?
What a bunch of horse shit I know I've seen Billo debate theology before.
I'll reserve judgement until O'Reilly comments on what Pete Stark said. I think we all know where this is going.
Most of the people Bill has on are not experts in the area of the debate. All of the sudden he is selective?
Why would anyone want a French Kiss?
They all eat escargot
That's snails.
Do they barbeque their snails in Paris Texas?
Wow, in right wing world, you CAN have it both ways!
Mike @ 21:
You are a total idiot. Clearly you have not been reading my stuff, or you have been reading that of some other anonymous. (Do they allow two anonymouses on this site? I don't know. In any case, you're wrong.) I have been accused of being self-righteous, but not even my worst enemies would call me a Repub. Lol.
And Coulter is an expert on what exactly?
This is all just so much crap. BillO, former Inside Edition host, Goldberg, author of Bias, and whoever from the formerly relevant LA Times? I wouldn't give a nickel for all three of their opinions.
Coulter's comments are what all evangelicals think: If you ain't Christian you ain't shit, and if you are Christian, you're perfect. I think this was the same sentiment of the Spanish ruling elite during the inquisition.
It should be relegated to the dustbin of history, but when you have a premium on ignorance like you have in this country (hey, look at our commander in chief - an alcoholic who was elected on the basis of "who would you like to have a drink with,") that's what you get.
Sometimes I think we're all headed toward Mad Max's world pretty damn quick.
I'm going outside.
bernard goldberg: "when they came for me..." now he cares who bill attacks.
I actually agree with Bill O'Reilly on this. Yes, he has a double standard, but it makes sense that he won't give her any credibility. I'm assuming that his interview of her did not actually project that message, but in theory, at least, I have to give Orally credit. But I also wouldn't have her on my show, had I a show -- that gives her credibility automatically. So, Billo, nice argument but that's not what you did, buster.
I have to say, by the way, I like Ann Coulter. She says the most idiotic things and gets people to like her for it. She's like Stephen Colbert, only more so and also we can't tell whether she's kidding. If she weren't actually bad for society I'd find her hilarious and part of the Big Joke. It's good to have someone to laugh at...
goldberg is sitting on a panel with the man who created the myth of the war against christmas...which everyone knows is just code for fuck the jews
You know your career as a rightwing bloviator is in trouble when even Bernie Goldberg stops kissing your ass.
billo is a fascist, racist and biggot. always has been. always will be.
i am surprised he can walk the streets and feel safe.
Anonymous Trool at @27 says: (Do they allow two anonymouses on this site?
wouldn't that be anonymi?
my apologies to site monitor for giving a crumb to a trool, they're so cute i can't resist their big sad googly eyes.
anonymice?
Seriously, why do people go on his show?
And out of curiousity, how much do people get paid to go on these types of shows?
That's too funny...who would believe that BillO would even recognize "dumb" given what comes out of his piehole daily? How much longer before the complete implosion of this bloviating buffoon will be completed? Then onward to the true warthog of the media!
Defending an anti-semite when your back-up is somebody named "Bernie Goldberg"? OOPS!!!
"No it wasn't!"
"Yes, it was!"
"NO IT WASN'T!"
"YES IT WAS!"
Oh ye gods.
Bernie Goldberg. Now I ask...Can you be anymore IRISH than that?
Oh wait...you say you're Jewish Bern?....then live with it buddy. Just like every Muslim in the USA has to live with being Muslim. And every Black in the USA has to live being Black.......Not everybody likes everybody in this world....but do try to be nice and play fair "in the sandbox" anyway.
So now Goldberg is upset, once the right-wing slime machine attacks his group? It's okay for him and the slime machine to go after everyone else, but once a member attacks the Jews, then it is not okay? It was never okay, putz.
Reminds me of that saying: "They came for the Jews but I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me." Only inverted in this case.
Please. This is shtick. Goldberg and the decent Hall helped Billo to distance himself a bit from Coulter and her views. You see, just because he gives Ann a platform and lets her speak unchallenged for 10 minutes doesn't mean he agrees with her. Honest.
Bill gets to have his falafel and eat it, too. Goldberg and Hall are his servers.
Who cares!!!?????!!!!
She also says mysogynistic things, so f*ck Coulter with a cactus, which is better than she deserves.
Jenny'O @ 36:
anonyomeeces....to pieces
BIGBONEDED @ 3:
That's a legit point.
O'Reilly never said Coulter was wrong in her remarks about Jews.
Off the top of my head I can think of two ways you can define, in this instance, dumb. First, you can take O'Reilly's use of the word to mean she was wrong and spreadin' hatred.
But you can also read his use of dumb as an admonishment fer her sayin' somethin' with which he agrees but believes should go unspoken.
Coulter is "tough" to Bill so he allows her to say anything in his quest for daddyism
this is a set up confrontation. there is play acting going on, note oreilly's reaction to the french kissing reference.
he also gets to wallow in the weird fanatisizing mental image of him and ann coulter swappin' spit.
pretty sick. but sicker yet is that our society rewards the likes of these characters.
Wow, Bernie Goldberg didn't kiss O'Reilly's ass???
I'm friggin' amazed. But what she said was just the honest arrogance of radical Christians who can be as intolerant of radical Muslims.
If you don't believe in the make believe diety that we do you're an infidel. All religions are b.s. anyway.
But Bernie Goldberg having to guts to call O'Reilly on this? Totally amazing, he's one of the few on right who have the guts to call Coulter on this crap.
Billo and Limpbaughlls are felchers...
The loudest voice of the chickenhawks thinks that the Ann Coulter remarks were not anti-semitic and then says her remarks were just dumb. He is simply incapable of understanding bigotry. Now, where's my ice tea, mutha f@#!in' ice tea?!
Billo was really caught off-guard on this one. No doubt he was expecting Goldberg to stick with the script and join him in beating up on Jane Hall. Instead, Bernie surprised everybody and threw his master an unexpected curveball. It's really surprising that O'Really didn't instruct his production crew to do some fancy editing on the segment prior to the broadcast.
Yeah, right. O'Reilly NEVER debates non theologians who make negative comments about christians. "Pulllleeeze!"
The careful veiwer of Fox will notice that the only time they bite their masters' hand is when their OWN ox gets gored. Goldberg who's jewish (Coulter remark and O'Reillys' lack of outrage) and Geraldo who's hispanic. (immigrant bashing). Don't like it when they start going after your own do ya?
Mauro @ 31:
Obviously you can't tell that she's kidding because she passes herself off as a political pundit to be taken seriously (though whoever can must be nuts). Colbert is on Comedy Central - it's pretty obvious just from his medium that he's a satirist. How anyone can like Coultergeist even as a caricature of a neocon wacko is way beyond me.
Personally, I despise Goldberg more than Billo. Goldberg is a complete hack who only writes these books to take advantage of conservatives who need their views reenforced from reality. Hearing Bill call him out in this clip was great for me.
Jenny'O @ 35:
I really hate that! just because someone disagrees with a particular statement or issue or what have you, they are automatically a troll or republican or whatever. Doesn't anyone else see this as counter-productive?
i bet if you'd ask some well thought out follow up questions to "anonymous", you might find you are wrong about him/her, you may be right also, but at least you'd know for sure. and even if they are a republican, that doesn't mean they are our enemy. partisansip is not just for elected officials, it affects us all, and IMO is tantamount to treason.
i definitely identify with the left MORE, but i do not agree with everything. Gun control is a good example, but does that make me an enemy or ally of the left? i honestly don't know, for i have been attacked at C&L for differences of opinion as well. We're never going to defeat the powers that be if we continue to attack each other, especially when we happen to be on the same side of the big picture.
Did he keep his composure? O'Really doesn't like being attack, so if he started screaming, I wouldn't be surprised.
Billo gets a big spike in his TV ratings every time Coulter is on the show. Of course he's gonna kiss her backside. Why would he want to alienate his cash cow? O'Reilly is in the entertainment business. It's all about the Benjamins baby.
Bill OLielly is a liar and full of sh*t.
He also has not one bit of credibility.
anonymous @ 8:
Conveniently located "below the fold"?! What's the implication here, Mr. Don't-have-the-Cajones-to-sign-a-Name?! Those of us who regularly peruse C&L know that we can find pithy stuff below the fold. Stop whining. Your hypocrisy is showing...
Brock Samson @ 58:
Thank you. I've been posting pretty regularly under the name "anonymous" for a few months and I'm about as liberal as it gets around here. I support Kucinich, in fact sold some t-shirts and such at one of his fund raisers here in Oregon during his last campaign. There is an unfortunate herd mentality around here that gets in the way of the conversation. From a sociological perspective it's interesting to see the scapegoating and the currying of favor with the site owners and monitors from the regulars. Actually, it's not that interesting; it's utterly predictable. I do not exempt myself from this scenario, as I've been in attack mode all too often.
And I still stand by my original statement. Whatever that was;)
mudshark @ 46:
I'll be handing them out on Holloweenie.
Ummm I gotta wonder what's triggered the intense and sudden dispatch of rightwing trolls to the C&L comments board.
The funniest line of the whole conversation was O'Reilly's assertion that he never debates theology with a non-theologian. This rather implies that Billo feels qualified to debate theology with a theologian. He wouldn't waste time with a lesser mortal. Is there any subject Billo hasn't mastered? I've got a theological question he could ask Malkin and Rush about that Frost kid should he ever bring them on his show for one of his "grillings":
How many pinheads can dance on the head of an angel?
Bill, " I don't think it was anti semetic. I think it was just dumb ".
Part of Bill O's credebility problem as opinion is the fact that it is what Bill thinks only. Bill is well aware that Ann is right wing and riles the right conservative base. So he lets puts her on air to spew her tripe and he enables her. And does not really challenge her. Never has.
Thats OK as long as Bill stops using his "Fair and Balanced" slogan. Bill needs to go back and review himself from his shows. He is a media panderer to the GOP. It would be refreshing for him to admit it.
But like Rush, et al they haven't the conscience to do so. It is what money and so called fame does to some. It has to these.
Wait Billo. Your a Roman Catholic. Fundies like Coulter don't see you as a real Christian either. What are you going to say when she says you need to be perfected to her brand of Christanity?
Yeah it was dumb.
She said jews would be perfected if they were Christians. Is she said firemen would be perfected if they soldiers, who would have mind. The sensitivity and bigotry of religious people are indeed the root of all evil, they poison everything.
It's sad. mAnn Coulter says these hateful things and the media loves her. Garbage loves garbage.
Boil won't go after Colder, they have too much fun having anal sex together....
So in the Spin Free Zone, Bill O'Reilly thinks that Anne Coulter has no credibility and said something dumb, but he keeps those thoughts to himself while she is with him, and only reveals them later in order to defend himself from a a charge of not challenging Coulter for making an anti-semetic comment. Maybe O'Reilly was distracted by a fantasy invovling a buzzing sound when Coulter's comments came out of her mouth.
Interesting. Even in politics, there's a group of people who put their kind ahead of party AND country. There's all of humanity, the Goy, and then there's that special group.
Ann and Bill are heavyweights in the spin and hate zone. When that spills over to that special group, NOW it's not OK. NOW it's being nasty and not nice. But the rest of humanity, the Goy, are fair game. Such hypocrisy. Such hubris. Such bullch*t.
This circumcised agnostic wishes it would stop.
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