1 out of 56 is not 'most'
At the GOP debate the other night, Mike Huckabee made an odd claim.
"When our founding fathers put their signatures on the Declaration of Independence, those 56 brave people, most of whom, by the way, were clergymen, they said that we have certain inalienable rights given to us by our creator."
"Most" of the signers were clergy? Is that true? Actually, no.
Only one of the 56 was an active clergyman, and that was John Witherspoon. Witherspoon was a Presbyterian minister and president of the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University).
A few more of the signers were former clergymen, though it's a little unclear just how many.... We'd like to give Huckabee every benefit of the doubt, but even if you consider former clergymen among the signers the best you could come up with is four. Out of 56. That's not "most," that's Pants-on-Fire wrong.
It's a common problem at the Republican debates -- why let facts get in the way of a perfectly good soundbite?
1+1=342
Weird because I didn't see Hucklebee as a liar. However, he *is* a Republican so I guess it just comes with the territory. Keep lying, former fat boy.
Was Huckabee homeschooled?
Now I wonder if Hucklbee is a "real" clergyman. Uhmmmmmmm
Huckabee's comment wasn't so much a soundbite as it was a pander.
Historical revisionism is an evil thing.
They just can NOT tell the truth. It is impoosible for them. I wonder if he is really a man. Uhmmmmmm
Poossible? possible
"Most of them were clergy" is from the same revisionist history book that tells us we're a Christian nation.
And how, exactly, does a presidential veto on SCHIP fit in with those inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Healthcare benefits aren't contributory to those?
It's the same school that gave us "The Flintstones" as documentary.
Right wing liars will repeat this bogus claim until it becomes "fact". Just like "This nation was founded on Judeo Christian values". The Republicans will say and do anything to appease and mislead their knuckledragging base.
Here are some other American Historical Moments according to Huckabee
He has that new software, Create-a-Fact. Just plug it in, tell it what you want to hear and it spits that back to you as a known fact. I believe it was designed by Dick Cheney back in 2001 or 2002.
Maybe Huckabee will claim gravity doesn't exist and then jump off a window ledge to prove it.
Well, Huckabee is a Baptist Minister, so he can't be wrong (/snark)
MOST republicans have sex in bathroom stalls with strangers...oh, and have erectile dysfunction
hero worship of the founding slave owner fathers has now turned to worship of the divine founding fathers.
This is likely the "truth" as he was taught. A factoid plucked out of some long ago lesson.
A serious problem with unscripted pols. They try to rely on the inbred teaching that prepared them for
their life. The important aspect of this and the "truths" as understood and regurgitated by people like Huck,
is that it be flayed and paraded before the country.
Welcome to the "No Child Left Behind When the Rapture Occurs" school of education. Maybe they figure, "Why bother learning FACTS when we're all going home to sleep with our Invisible Sky Daddy any day now?" And the Repugnican'ts crave power so much they'll say anything to appeal to those people, and they know they don't have to even fact-check anymore.
They are so funny .Open mouth lie it's a Repugnant trait that and policing bathroom stall floors
I don't think one could ever claim that the current day Republicans could actually do math. Otherwise they wouldn't keep insisting that tax-cuts pay for themselves.
Math in a republican regime:
2+2=5
I just saw Emilio Estevez's film from last year "Bobby."
It is so striking from hearing clips of interviews and speech of RFK that he, along with JFK, appealed to what was the very best in America: hope, community service, unity, etc.
These Republicans of today (and of yesterday) so consistently appeal to the worst in America: fear for self, fear of other, ignorance, etc. In this example from Huckabee, truth is a casualty, just something to be sidestepped while manipulating. Sad.
It's the way the right wing brain is wired. There is a short circuit in the area of the brain that tells the truth!
Well at least he brought up the Declaration of Independence.
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Come on, you don't expect a republican to actually know any history?
The Declaration of Independence is a document of Enlightenment. Blind faith, in the form of adherence to a religion (any religion) would indicate a profound lack of capacity for rational thought - precluding one from authoring such a secular document.
Religious people - including our current crop of Republican hopefuls - have abandoned rationality in favor of quieting their inner monkeys. Remember: when you communicate with a person who espouses religious beliefs, you are, by default, communicating with an irrational person.
Most ridiculous government program ever: Faith-based Initiatives.
Amazing how many will stand up now and claim this is the truth.
The quality of America's leadership (?) is a direct reflection of the quality of America's citizens.
Keep that in mind and you won't be thoroughly disappointed or surprised at every turn.
It is not really going to matter who gets the WH at this point, the people will make sure it's the least qualified.
Seele @ 17:
Yep... the founding fathers were imperfect, and recognized this. Franklin doubted that the American experiment of democracy would last much longer past his lifetime, and Jefferson struggled with the dilemma of owning slaves while criticizing slavery.
It's when people exalt something as being perfect, and then change that something to fit their view in order to equate it with perfection, is when we get into trouble.
A huge percentage of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were rich influential men. By the time the revolutionary war was over most of them had their fortunes and many lost their families and during the war, if they were caught by the British, they were beaten, jailed and tortured. Do you think any of these wannabes would sign their name to such a document? These Chickenhawks who are so willing to send our kids off to war? These chicken hawks who for the most part did everything they could (Can you say “I have pimple on my ass?) to get out of the Vietnam war? These convenient Christians.
Who is going to get it out to all the viewers that happened to be misinformed, and now probably are allowing themselves to believe this? Who is going to correct all the erroneous comments the president, republican backrunners, and current "representatives," have made.
Where are the "elder statesmen" of yesteryear now that we need them the most? Those whose reasons for becoming members of the Legislature were a sense of duty to their country and their fellow man, not just for a few pieces of silver to pad their purses with? The ones who listened to the people, and addressed issues with an eye towards what was best for the country as a whole, not just what was best for their current BFFs?
I'm less worried about his grasp of history than about those "inalienable rights" that his party is determined to relieve us of.
Ask President Bill Clinton about the signers. I betcha right off the top of his head he could tell you about each and every one of them. He knows history and facts.
That's the difference between an intelligent man and a guy selling religious political snake oil. Intelligent men and women rely on proven facts and history. Desperate men and women warp the facts to fit their own personal case.
The Political Junkie @ 15:
since old hucks a baptist minister does that mean he gets to pick the best females in the front of his church to have fried chicken and screw if the gals husband aint home sunday after church serveises, most baptist ministers i know love fried chicken and free nookie !
Smitty @ 22:
don't forget this great equation: hundreds of thousands dead - approximately 4,000 soldiers dead (this figure would not include suicides, or American "Contractors") = progress
Geez, and people wonder why Arkansas is ranked near the bottom in regards to education.
I'm embarrassed for the state, and for that I apologize.
That's like saying "most" of the Republican candidates for Presidents are members of a fascist cabal of war mongering wantwits... Oh, wait a minute, never mind.
tyree @ 36:
Actually, Huckabee has a bit more class than that. He's a pretty decent guy. Misguided at best, but decent. I would trust him, but not to teach history.
Bob Jones University classic. The lessons taught in Sunday School, religious instruction, religious home-education textbooks, and Sunday sermons are based upon a romantic tradition. Without scrutiny, they are intended to inspire, rather than teach. The blur between fact and fiction is no accident. Much like the magical realism tradition in Southern hemishere (where religion often is used as a political force) countries, it is fast becoming mainstream in America. This is a distinctly Southern tradition, filling a void, where historians were not on hand to document actual events. Romantic ante-bellum writers would embellish stories about local figures, and civil war and post-civil war continued the trend. The lack of historians in the South led to a Romantic tradition in historical references. Northern Historians could not be relied upon to provide an "unbiased" report.
It is no accident that a distinctly Southern tradition has taken root in much of the population, including religious, (Southern Baptist Convention), an alternative history, heirarchal values, and racial tension. It is imperative that we examine and understand the cultural expansion of Southern traditions.
ThunderMonkey @ 40:
maby some ones husband caught him and beat the shit out of him,
Captain Kangaroo @ 31:
That too. While most of the founding fathers were wealthy white men, they were willing to put their fortunes on the line to fight against the British. The wealthy white men of today whine that they were "on the front lines" when a building some miles away from them collapses.
By that logic, most Americans support Bush, Congress, and the Republican party.
Blue Buddha @ 43:
yeah thats why washington had to beg the continetal congress for every bean bayonet and bullets to defeat the british!!!!
Clergymen's votes count more, you see.
Mullah Mike has a true talent indeed. Only people like him would lie about a historical document like the Declaration of Independence while simultaneously wiping their butts with Constitution and Bill of Rights.
"Is that true"? You even had to ask the question? Anyone with even a passing acquaintance with American history knows that "most" of the founders were not clergymen, and, in fact, many of them were deists like Jefferson and Franklin who did not believe in organized religion at all. This should not even be controversial.
tyree @ 36:
He's a former Arkansas governor, ty. Wouldn't happen.
Lying and clergypersons aside, I think there is a fundamental issue that everyone is conspicuously avoiding. When does "most" happen? I'm thinking when you have a total of 56 then most doesn't happen until at least five or six, right?
Sorry, but I can't move forward on this topic until that question is answered.
By the way, as I recall Adolf Hitler had his own warped views on history and religion and we know how that turned out. Oddly enough, if you look at Huckabee's picture and add a mustache the similarities between Huckabee and a youthful looking Hitler are uncanny.
CafeenMan @ 50:
5 or 6 would be enough. You are correct.
it doesn't matter if it's true, as followers will still believe it... the Republicant Party lives on misinformation...
Joe O. kills the thread.
"facts are a tool of the Devil"-Mike Huckabee
Anyone who distorts facts for his or her own benefit is a shyster.
No matter how vigorously the left shakes its head in denial, the fact remains the nation was founded by deeply religious men and women. Read a little history, people. Never know when it might come in handy.
dennis @ 49:
come on dennis arkiesaws where the fundies think thier sister or first cousins make great mates!
The American people are increasingly becoming aware of liars...
and developing a low tolerence for bullshit.
....the reason why Ron Paul may be doing so well.
Just exactly why are these LIARS running and twisting Truth?
Rudy Giuliani (R) - GOVERNMENT CRIME COVERUP SPECIALIST
Fred Thompson (R) - GOVERNMENT CRIME COVERUP SPECIALIST
Mike Huckabee (R) - GOVERNMENT CRIME COVERUP SPECIALIST
Duncan Hunter (R) - GOVERNMENT CRIME COVERUP SPECIALIST
Mitt Romney (R) - GOVERNMENT CRIME COVERUP SPECIALIST
John McCain (R) - GOVERNMENT CRIME COVERUP SPECIALIST
I wonder if they will ever address and comment on THESE NUMBERS...
--> State Dept. Can't Account For $1.2B Paid to DynCorp: Audit
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/washington/23contractor.html
Or these numbers.....
US: DynCorp Disgrace - January 14th, 2002
Middle-aged men having sex with 12- to 15-year-olds
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11119
The American people are increasingly becoming aware of criminal coverup
...and the repeating cast of characters.
http://realnews.org/stories/2007-10-16_hillary.html
2008: VOTE TOGETHER IN MASSIVE NUMBERS IN THE PRIMARYS & ELECTIONS.
TAKE PICTURES.
everytime i watch [deliverence] with the dueling banjos i think of arkiesaw!!!!
jr @ 55:
Check out: http://www.fstdt.com/
There are dozens of quotes from fundies (most of them online) saying things like: "Reason and logic are no match for the power of God!"
tyree @ 58:
Nope, that's South Carolina or Kentucky. Arkansans tend to go after third cousins and our brother's wives.
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
-- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, US Consul)
But hey, what did the founding fathers know? im sure that what they really meant was contained in some obscurely worded intentionally wide ranging statement.
Banjo @ 57:
I haven't seen a denial of 'deeply religious' here, and I don't propagate that nonsense on my blog. What I dispute is the 'Christian' label to not only the founding fathers, but their lasting works.
"Leave no authority standing not answerable to man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
CafeenMan @ 50:
Are you being sarcastic? Honestly, I can't tell. In any case most would indicate a majority which would mean more than half. So, not five or six, more like 27.
Just my 2 cents
Its very Orwellian and very text-book right-wing. Repeat the lie long enough and people will begin to believe it, such as, "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction". There are people who STILL believe that particular lie. The human mind is a wonderous thing, but when wasted, its nothing more than a lump of cells.
Banjo @ 57:
Deeply religious men who believed in Secular Government.
Read it yourself.
AND, the old "Fair and Balanced" (we just provide the facts) Gang at Faux News didn't feel any necessity to critique that comment any more than McCain's "we were founded as a Christian nation" crap! WOW, that's a surprise! A little more dissembling for the SHEEPLE!
Come on people, it's Mike Huckabee for crying outloud. The guy has no chance at the White House so why would anyone even give a damn? He's a typical christian fundie moron who has never allowed himself to be burdened with facts, lest they cloud the issue.
AND, put this bumper sticker on you car/in your window...WHEN FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA IT WILL BE CARRYING A BIBLE AND WAVING A FLAG!!!!! Welcome to America 2007
It's like the old joke. How do you know when a neocon is lying. Their lips are moving.
I wouldn't be able to listen to one of these meat puppet recite the alphabet without laughing because I know they'd find a way to turn it into a lie somehow.
Mike Huckabee couldn't even pave a decent road for crying out loud, and he was Governor for what felt like FOREVER.
CafeenMan @ 50:
It's simple, really.
"Most" doesn't occur until you reach a number that is a "tad" more than a "bunch" but is still a "bit" less than a "shitload".
Got it?
I cant stand generalized numbers used to argue a point. Pundits do it all day long. "I think most Americans..." "If you ask many people, they will tell you..."
It is all strawman nonsense. I dont care if you have numbers to back it up, if you do, state the number, not a generalization.
well i for one feel much safer on sundays when all the fundie meat puppets are in church on thier knees giveing head to de lard!
Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.
We have solved ... the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808). This is his second use of the term "wall of separation," here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter. This wording was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause: Reynolds (98 US at 164, 1879); Everson (330 US at 59, 1947); McCollum (333 US at 232, 1948)
Jee wonder what Jefferson meant by this? since he thought this to be so, using huckabees definitions, a majority of the founding fathers also felt the same way(which they did actually)
MargeAggedon @ 70:
Oooh, I'd love a version of the Gashlycrumb Tinies that slammed the neocons ...
Real proud Reslug thieves and liars.
There's a newer post up but for whatever reason the comments are closed. Anyone know why?
It's about a fictional figure in the Harry Potter series being gay. The poster is correct MSNBC made a big deal of this yesterday. Hello. MSNBC, it's a pretend person, not a real person, so who the hell cares? They even had an expert on telling how to explain this to small children. Jeezz!
It's only a matter of time before one of these reich-wing freaks will claim Jesus is an American.
pissed off patricia @ 78:
It reminds me of a joke i heard a long time ago.
Johnny runs up to mommy and asks, "Mommy, where did i come from?"
So mommy sighs and sits him down and explains the birds and the bees and after she is finished Johnny looks at her and says, "Oh, Billy came from Chicago.
Parents, feel free to tell your children Dumbledor is happy and they can look it up.
Dr. Matt @ 79:
That would be the Mormons.
Another liar for christ...
"Creator" does not mean the Christian God. They went out of their way NOT to endorse any religion over another. And many of them were Deists anyway.
Next the Cons will tell us that "In God We Trust" has always been our national motto.
Thing is, if parents don't make a big deal of telling the kids the character is gay, the kids will probably not figure it out ,until they are old enough to understand, what it's all about.
The repukes will say whatever it takes to get to the treasures and power of the WH. Lies have become commonplace in the dialogue of the current repuke WH, and those who aspire to it. Huckabee has sold his soul for the promised pieces of silver, as evidenced from these deliberate lies. He went through high school, so he surely knows the "religious" makeup of the Founding Fathers - he just prefers to lie about it for an advantage to his personal cause.
This appears to be an unprecedented time in our nation, as we can no longer trust most of our elected (or SCOTUS-appointed) public servants to tell the truth, or to work in the interests of the country. The problem is endemic on both sides of the aisle, with a few notable exceptions. Even then, we don't know the motives behind any actions of any of our politicians. We actually do not know who, if anybody, to trust with the stewardship of the country.
Very sad. What will our children inherit from all of this besides endless wars, a looming 2-class system consisting of the rich and the poor, a compromised infrastructure in our crumbling cities, an "us versus them" attitude, a deficit that defies description, etc.?
These past 6+ years have been very bad for the future of this once-great nation. We are reviled throughout the world and have few if any true allies left. We are slowly gaining a reputation of being just as bad as, if not worse than, those countries we regularly attack for their behaviors, lack of civil rights, and actions.
Let's hope the future brings with it a chance to heal.
I understand this is not relevant to this thread but why are comments disabled for the recent Dumbledore thread?
Doubt that will be the last odd claim that these guys make.
Huckabee is what happens when you're schooled in Arkansas. He is The Man from Mope.
I'm guessing the potter thread comments were closed because the nature of the subject. its almost an invitation to the trolls to spew hatred.
natisman @ 25:
Yes. However, this nation needs a new Declaration of Independence. One that declares our independence from corporations and republican liars.
Ah, but your mistake is in thinking such "errors" are inadvertent. They're quite calculated and deliberate. As the radical wing of the Repugnant party has gleefully discovered, most of the Pabst-Blue-Ribbon-swillin', truk-drahvin', wahf-beatin', rasslin' luvin', kwayer-hatin' trailer park set that swells their proletariat ranks will believe whatever the Hell they're told as long as it pushes their moral indignation button.
And, like some mass pavlovian response, once the strong emotion is coupled with the >cough< "fakt", neither can be chiselled from their furrowed unibrow cromagnonesque cerebellums with a power drill forever and ever thankyabrothacanahgetanaymen.
Which is awfully... HANDY come election time.
Banjo @ 57:
Here are some facts that might come in handy:
*The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently on all U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy Hysteria.
*The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
*Most of the Founders were Deists and Unitarians who rejected doctrines like the Incarnation.
*Thomas Jefferson dismissed the Trinity as "incomprehensible jargon." He and other Founders made no mention of God in the Constitution, and took pains not to establish an official church on US soil.
*Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." From: The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9
*George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washington uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.
*Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ leveled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."
*Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble."
More repug math :
$5,000,000,000 = $8,734,987,798,287,364,682,873,486,526,354 Health care dollars
$40,000,000,000 = $.15 Kill brown people dollars
Smitty @ 22:
You're way off there, buddy. Last I heard, 2+2=1,000,000.
Huckabee follows a long tradition of poorly educated nitwits with a religious background. Why do these things always go together?
The stenographers who masquerade as the news media never fact check.
xoites defends Constitution @ 81:
B-b-but -- they have those gold plates that PROOOOOVE it! Oh wait, except somehow they were given back after whatshisass got done transcribing them.
If you want shit that's sillier than Scientology, look no further than the actual statements of the founder of LDS. What a crock. He must have been related to PT Barnum.
And there are no consequences for this flat-out lie.
There are never any meaningful consequences for republican lying and cheating. To them, and the rest of the country, it's "politics".
Wouldn't it be nice if telling the populace a lie became an actionable crime?
This must be the same fuzzy math that says 35 million for kids health is a budget buster while requesting an addtional 45 million on top of the hundred or so they want for the next war year.
is a bargain.
ThunderMonkey @ 38:
Don't feel bad. There is still Texas. We used to say, "Thank God for Mississippi, but we can't even do that anymore."
Has anyone asked Huckabee about his statement and who the 28+ clergymen were that he had in mind?
Dirtpatch @ 89:
Makes sense, although you would think anything on here has such potential even if not to that extent.
102 reasons why American is going down the crapper
Lollimom @ 97:
The Bush Administration is well aware of being held accountable for their words, which is why we have classics like:
- "The SEC says there is no case." (Bush, regarding the sale of Harkin Energy stock.)
- "I don't think anyone could have forseen that terrorists would use planes as missiles."
- "We never said imminent."
- "I don't think anyone could have predicted that Hamas would win the election."
... and so on.
tyree @ 45:
Actually, the main cause of the problem was that the each state wanted to make sure that their state was protected. The Continental Congress was almost helpless to get the equipment that Washington needed. That is the reason he quickly started writing to each state to get the needed supplies.
It is a good thing the man knew how to work. Day began at 0400, got up, trained the men, maybe fought a battle, get help for the wounded, found out about the success or failure of enterprise, write letters to all states and men in the states, found out about the supplies for the day, prepare for the next day, go to bed. Repeat very day for over 8 years and never take a day's leave and never take a dime of pay.
Much to chagrin of its radical right organizers, this weekend's Values Voter Summit of GOP White House hopefuls produced only confusion. Despite the gymnastic contortions and acrobatic back-flips of Republican presidential candidates eager to win evangelical hearts and minds, no clear winner of the conference straw poll emerged. Thanks to his stuffing of the online ballot box, Mitt Romney edged Mike Huckabee, the clear favorite of actual conference goers, by 1,595 votes to 1,565.
Eager to avoid a repeat of this year's inconclusive outcome, the organizer of the event, Tony Perkins' Family Research Council, is moving to a new competitive format designed to produce a definitive winner. Here, then, is the guide to:
"The 2008 Values Voter Olympics."
maby some ones husband caught him and beat the shit out of him,
Now Tyree, that's what I was going to say, but maybe after getting caught with someone's wife "ministering" to him, he had to give up those Southern Fried Chicken dinners, and it's resulted in that 100+ pound weight loss he's experienced.
He'll now be able to out run an irate hubby cause he's 100 pounds lighter.
But if you're going to quote history to back you up, at least do your homework. My 12 year-old grand niece could have corrected his assumption on who signed the Declaration of Independence. jeez
Thanks for the link Angry One @ 105
Guvner double wide was using Arkansas math
The Political Junkie @ 106:
sorry if id been around then im sure id of been more up on old georgies hardships, course my great grand what ever was in washingtons headquarters company and im sure he knew washingtons problems better then a history book could have told it!
No, I'm sorry but Huckabee just lost any and all respect I might have had for him. What an idiot!
NO, THE FOUNDERS WERE NOT BAPTISTS!
Yeesh. Hell, some were even atheists, they just didn't make a big deal out of it. As pointed out above the influential were deists or "freethinkers" (agnostic)!
Please, people, please -- STOP letting these clowns claim that America was founded a "Christian Nation"! It is bullshit.
I will admit that most of them WERE interested in the bible, as a pseudo-historical text, source of occasional good poetry, military tactics, and interesting ideas for how to treat your neighbor.
But they brewed whiskey and chased women... hard thinkers and drinkers the lot! Be proud of them, I sure am.
Most huh... 4 (to be as charatible as possible) out of 56...
OK, lets review boys and girls.....
Can't run an economy, except into the ground...
Can't manage a war, except badly...
Can't tell the difference between real and imaginary charactors
Can't do anything that isn't partisan in nature.
Can't manage a DOJ properly.
Can't tell the truth even if you paid them to.
And now? Apparently can't understand basic statistics and percentage math...
The really sad part? That's just a sampling of what these people
can't do.... Yes indeedy, a real fine and bright bunch of bulbs in that GOP folks.... JD
Acting Patriotic @ 3:
Yes, he was home schooled and he was by himself.
The other thing that drives me nuts is that these dipsticks are doubly disingenuous because they always start with the second paragraph of the declaration and ignore (intentionally) the first:
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Laws of Nature and Nature's God. Almost by definition a pagan concept. How inconvenient.
Idiots.
regs have large asses. They keep pulling shit out of it.
Banjo @ 57:
'Twould be funny were it not so dangerous, this reading of a little history, which, I am sure, accurately captures the amount of history Troll Banjo has consumed. (I'm waiting now for him/her to tell me s/he's read most history.)
Of course, one must recognize that people like Banjo will happily equivocate when discussing the "founding" of our nation. They'll often refer to the founding of some of the British colonies, many of which were indeed founded by deeply religious people seeking the "freedom" to worship "properly," and to persecute, prosecute, and kill anyone who did not believe as they did. This, of course, is not the founding of our "nation." If anything, our nation was founded as a rational response to the experience of persecution, prosecution and killing of people who did not believe one religion or another.
So, let's see. The founders are now not merely monolithically Christian, but now they're mostly clergy? In five years, will they be angels?
They aint no father of mine. They are just the founders, all white, all men, all prejudice.
I think in every debate there should be on the spot fact checkers. When any candidate stretches the truth (lies) the moderator can call them on it while they are still on stage.
Karen @ 115:
You jest, but I bet they'll be saints or demi-gods by then at least. Taxes will be called "offerings to the holy founders".
Seriously. Gee, I can't wait.
Speaking of pants on fire, this always makes me laugh (even if it is silly):
http://www.toppun.com/anti-Bush/funny_anti_bush_pictures/I_am_Not_a_Liar...
Who knows what "the base" will believe, if told often enough? People believe what they want to believe. We saw those goons on FOX after the debates-- those 8 years of helll, in the 90's, under the antichrist-- worse than communism. Hillary stands for everything un-American etc., etc., etc., (excsue me while I hurl.)
Banjo @ 57:
Speaking of: I hate banjo music and everything to do with banjos. Real brain-dead hick stuff. Reminds me of "Deliverance".
Captain Kangaroo @ 1:
50 + 1 = "a clear majority" (Cheney) to bomb the f--k out of anyone on the planet we wish, with or without Congress. Even if 49%, OR MORE, (and I'm betting way way more) strenuously object. That "minority" had better shut up and pay for it, in every way imaginable, for the next 50 years. (Yup, some democracy you got there.)
I'm sure Huckabee is right, and you are wrong. After all, he went to BIBLE COLLEGE, and we know how grounded they are in reality.
Edwin @ 121:
Huh. I find banjos fascinating. Playing one well actually looks pretty difficult to me. But then, I'm sure you'd disapprove of slide guitar music too. Golly, I'm crushed... I'd sing the blues, but Edwin might make fun of me. :(
What has that to do with anything? Feel the need for attention from the sitemonitor or something?
124 swarmofkillermonkeys Says:
It was a disapproval of certain comments without a personal attack. Maybe it didn't read that way? Oh well. Sorry, I offended.
Good enough for me.... I just thought it an odd comment.
I agree about the post by 'Banjo', of course. "Deeply intellectual" maybe...
Okay - so Huckabee is even more of an idiot than I originally thought.
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What do you expect? This stupid dumbass also thinks the earth is 6000 years old.
But Mr. Honesty, St. Paul of Lake Jackson, called Huckabee on this right?
'Cause, ya know, he's very honest- Paul, that is. Tells it like it is, and all that jazz.
No? Didn't think so.
All neocons look up the treaty of Tripoli on the internet. John Adams said in that treaty that America was not a christian nation.
Thomas Jefferson called the bible dung.
There is no difference between this fundamental religious right (like everyone running for president) and the fanatical Muslims.
our founding fathers were pagans. through and through. thats how we got separation of church and state
Maybe Huckabee was citing an entry from Conservapedia.
You know, facts and shit for the discerning fundamentalist.
To be fair he did say were. Now you could construe this to mean either of a couple meanings. Either he meant they were, at the time of signing, clergymen, or they were, at one point in their lives, clergymen. If this is the case then the unknown number is what he's going on. Which since it is unknown means it could have been 1 or 56, probably not all 56, possibly half, maybe not. Just playing devil's advocate here.
I like this site.
Don't hurt me.
Such an outright falsehood obviously demands a retraction and an explanation, buy don't hold your breath. Only democrats apologize, and usually for telling the truth.
Yet another pandering GOPer makes some wild-ass jebus assertion about which he has no clue to a bunch of xtian fundy whackjobs who, as a result, cheer wildly in crusader-like ecstasy.
Film at 11.
This place, trying to call out liars?
Hysterical.
QUICK! Delete my comment before someone notices!
Huckabee was tossing chum off the back of the boat for the christian wingnut borg. To hear them talk, they are the heirs of the american revolution, closest in every way to the founding fathers. That dicey bit about the Enlightenment? Conveniently forgotten in dreams of making this country the next 1620 Plymouth Colony.
When you're trying to get a point across, a lie or false fact that nobody knows is a lie can be just as effective in swaying decisions in your favor as cold hard facts. If that's what it takes, then so be it.
[C'mon. Admit it. You're jealous-Sitemonitor]
Smitty @ 22:
2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2
...and yet so many think Repubikans have a monopoly on stupidity.
Muahahahaha.
With all the history that is being re-written and all the manipulation of facts it is very difficult to come up with accurate information on the beginnings of our founding fathers. An extreme deception has been going on probably since the very beginning of this country. One cannot assume anything anymore- you have to go with your gut instincts- if you are not too brainwashed that is.
Huckabee seems a bit off kilter- but he trying to make a point that goes a bit beyond stated facts. We know that government and religion are completely corrupted and cannot be trusted- at all. This includes Mr. Huckabee (Baptist). I think this maybe his point.
The education system and the criminal justice system have also been infiltrated beyond the fray. The pledge of allegiance clearly binds us all as one nation under God (which God would this be if not Christian?). We swear in court on a bible (many still practice this... but slowly this is being systematically erased). However- it is what this country is founded on- and this came directly from our fore father's.... Hello?
Our country was not sworn in on the word on the solemn oath of a gentlemen people. This indoctrination has been slow and very well thought out and now the masses are seeing it slowly disappear- right along with the Constitution!
We must keep our eyes on the prize! They did think up the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution- Were we being sold a false hope of one Nation under God on purpose? That's one hell of a carrot to dangle in front of people desperately seeking a new life away from a dictorial monarchy and religious persecution.
Its all hiding in plain sight. Our eyes are open when it suits us to see. The only way to see clearly is to think for yourself.
He must have misspoke - he was probably referring to the fact that 24 of the signers had seminary degrees (IOW, they had studied to be clergy). Still that's not "most" of them.
"It’s a common problem at the Republican debates — why let facts get in the way of a perfectly good soundbite?"
Could you please provide your source for that fact? Or did you just make it up from this one instance? I don't think you can blame people for false facts and then invent your own without any base at all.
It's like saying most of the candidates running for presidency will get elected.
Probably wishful thinking from mister Huckabee's part.
I SEE FOUR LIGHTS
Shadowgm @ 9:
Last time I checked no. I still fail to see how "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" = government healthcare.
When I was in HS back in 1969 the cops had some guy named Dustin Huckabee come in and give an anti-drug presentation. It seems Dustin was an acid head who got busted up in San Francisco and as part of his punishment (after serving some time in the pen) he agreed to give these presentations. He confessed that he was a convicted FELON.
Hmmm..... I Wonder if Mike and Dustin are related? If Mike was a democrat you can be sure faux news would be linking the two!
At least 24 of the signers held Christian seminary degrees. Baldwin, among others, had been a Protestant minister.
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