Baptist leader to GOP: 'This is not a bluff'
By Steve Benen Wednesday Oct 24, 2007 8:20amWould the religious right really will break with the Republican Party if Rudy Giuliani is the GOP’s presidential nominee? Consider this Newsweek interview with Richard Land, a leading evangelical who serves as president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.
NEWSWEEK: So we wanted to ask you, first of all, about the third party idea and whether it’s serious. A number of people are suggesting it is just a threat.
LAND: My intuition [is that] this is not a bluff. If Giuliani is the nominee, there will be a third party. There are things that Giuliani could do to help mitigate the damage. But I have been in too many discussions over the last 15 years where evangelical leaders have said, “The one thing we will never allow to happen is for the Republican Party to take us for granted the way the Democrat [sic] Party too often takes the African-American community for granted.” This is not a bluff.
Land added that he couldn't violate his "moral conscience" by voting for a pro-choice Republican, and he believes "somewhere between 25 percent and a third" of the party agrees.
There’s data to suggest Land is probably about right. A new LAT/Bloomberg poll, released this morning, found that Giuliani is still the frontrunner for the Republican nomination, but “about one-third of GOP voters said they would consider supporting a third-party candidate in the general election if the party nominee supported abortion and gay rights.”
It undermines Giuliani's "electability" argument a bit, doesn't it?
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Frist again? sigh.....
They're serious, they've already picked out a name. The Christofascist Party.
So, WHO would be their candidate?
Mitt? Ron?
I envision evangilistowingnutz supporting the Coulter/Santorum ticket. No?
Why aren't these hypocritical son's of bitches radically anti war?
Frist!
I hope the religious zealots do have their own party. I know alot of moderate republicans who resent the republican party of old being taken over by a bunch of religious wackos who want to turn our country into a theocracy. Their only platform is changing the constitution to discriminate against gays, getting rid of conterceptives, forcing women to have unwanted children and disseminating science. And don't forget the guns!!! I have never understood WHY the repubican party panders to these nutcases. They only make up a small percentage of voters.
Well that would send them into a welldeserved political oblivion... From power to irrelevancy in a heartbeat....A political harakiri if you will ...i Cant Wait!!!
This is only good thing that can come out of Rudy's campaign.
This is going to be hilarious, the Dem's are going to take power just as the SHIT REALLY HITS THE FAN. I love it, maybe people will finally see the Dem's and the Repub's are 2 sides of the same coin.
Pllllllllllllleeeeeease run a third party! Divide your base for us! Perhaps they can nominate Dick Cheney.
I'd laugh if the situation wasn't so grave.
So, the Machiavellian 'auxiliaries' (a.k.a. the Religious Right) have finally figured they will never get all they want from their (much more politically savvy) Rockefeller Republican bedmates and want a divorce? That they'll go off and form another party...like the Libertarians did? They should ask the Libbers how many Congressional seats they have attained in the 30 some years since that split occurred before they file for that divorce.
But, no matter; the Rockefeller Repubs have gotten just about all they ever wanted out of the arranged 'marriage of convenience', and don't need the Biblethumpers anymore. They were useful...as none-too-sharp political weapons...and now they have the same value as toilet paper, now being applied to Rockefeller Republican backsides, as the owners of said backsides laugh themselves hoarse.
US soldiers shy from battle in Iraq
WATERTOWN, New York - Iraq war veterans now stationed at a base here in upstate
New York say that morale among US soldiers in the country is so poor, many are simply parking their Humvees and pretending to be on patrol, a practice dubbed "search and avoid" missions.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ26Ak07.html
meh, for them to CONSIDER supporting a 3rd party candidate isn't the same as declaring you WILL support a 3rd party candidate.
What should be polled is the percentage of Repubs who flat out WON'T SUPPORT RUDY NO MATTER WHAT. Whether they'll support a 3rd party, a fringe candidate, a "write-in" candidate or just stay in bed on Election Day. That's what we really need to know, or rather what the GOP needs to know. I'm sure they think few, if any, would TRULY leave the fold, better to be on the winning team & all that.
Chris @ 10:
I think a little more subtlety is called for here. :)
...and the GOP will bend like a snow-covered willow.
Nobody heard me over the Mark Foley roar a year ago in late October of 2006, so I'll say it again...
The greatest political gift Ghouliani got was Father Ted's meth-fueled, gay male hooker bust that happened at right about the same time as the Foley thing went down, since it knocked the Evangelical, wing-nut, wing of the Republican Party, right from their place at the table from having any say, whatsoever, in picking the next Republican nominee.
But they're so pin-headed, and delusional, that they're totally incapable of waking up and smelling the methamphetamines, and realizing that the Republican Party's been using them like a DC 50 cent 14th Street crack whore, for decades, and now that the Republicans got what they wanted from them, they're tossable, which is exactly how this is playing out.
Not that any squawks these "Family Values" hypocrites might raise about any potential nominee matters, since no matter what they say now, you can be sure that on s/Election Day, 2008, (52+ weeks from now,whew), they're just gonna hold their noses and vote for whoever it is that the Republican nominee is.
You can take that one to the bank.
~nwa
Alecia @ 12:
Vietnam, Vietnam.
"it undermines his "electability" a bit doesn't it?" Let's hope not!! RUN RUDY RUN!!! I WANT this clown to be the repugnantklan candidate for President, PUUUUUUHLEAZE let him be the candidate!
Giuliani in his drag queen outfit, with gay roommates, multiple divorces, history of being a anti-2nd amendment individual, pro-abortion individual is not going too fly with the right wing evangelicals, he is a fake conservative, but like most in his part will sell his soul for a elected office, it is ironic that the republicans made such a issue of flip floppers in last election they have all their candidates with one exception [Ron Paul] who are flip floppers, on one issue or many....., cannot say I have any sympathy for these biblical goat candidates who seem too dominate the republican party, so it is no surprise the evangical voters will not buy their hypocrisy and false promises...... and for many in the middle electing a man like Giuliani is not going too fly either since he is a draft dodger [vietnam era] as is his opponet Romney [vietnam era], ad too this his mormon religion which is based on a mythical golden tablet found in 1800's forest in USA, and just as mysteriously disappears, not too mention Romney has the same flip flop issues as Giuliani, none of their candidates with the one exception of Ron Paul is consistent and unfortunately the war mongers will not want Ron Paul for his anit-war stance, I respect none of these republican candidates with the one exception of Ron Paul, and I am a democrat, and do not like all his views, but he is at least consistent and not a flip flopper like his opponets.
not only that, but I heard Giuliani was Gay on Tuesdays.
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When I look back at the way the Rockefeller Republican 'Money Boyz' have treated the their less sane and more excitable Religious Right allies, I am reminded of what John Foster Dulles said about Latin Americans:"You have to pat them a little bit and make them think that you are fond of them." Well, the patting is over for the Religious Right...and it's taken them 30 years to realize their true status vis-a-vis the Money Boyz. Shows you how bright they are...
this is a good thing.....what will happen is the Nader affect ......and I'm thinkin I could live with that.
Litabell @ 6:
The only reason they are catered to is that they represent the basic value on which the US was founded: Hypocrisy.
The ever somnambulant majority of the American people, takes the bate and swallows it, hook, line and sinker included, thinking they stand for something good.
Wow... that's one big contradictory oxymoron right there.
If they had thier own Party ,they would quickly learn exactly how much of a minority they really are.....This will be fun to watch...
Think about it: Isn't it good to know that Rudy Giuliani doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell to become the next president? I am releived on behalf of the entire planet. This is good news.
I lived in Birmingham, Alabama for four years, including the 2004 election season. I can tell you that many, many, many highly educated, professional, reasonable people told me that they disagreed with Bush on the handling of the war, they believed he deliberately overstated the threat of Saddam, they felt his spending was out of control, they did not support the anti-gay marriage amendment, BUT... they felt, honestly and completely, that any support of a pro-choice candidate was an action that they would be held accountable for in heaven. It was, and continues to be, the single issue upon which they base ALL their voting decisions. It was said to me, "I know that when I die, Saint Peter is going to ask me what I did to stop all those unborn babies from being killed."
This is NOT a hold-your-nose-and-pull-the-lever-anyway issue for these people. They will either NOT vote, or they will support a third-party candidate. Now I'm only speaking from my limited experience, but I think it's representative. People told me over and over that they believed, with all their heart, that one single vote for a pro-choice candidate would damn them to hell for all eternity, regardless of anything else they did throughout their life.
I'm not supporting this particular worldview; in fact, I find it quite ridiculous. But that's another argument. I just believe that a very large chunk of voters will NOT vote for Guliani unless he very explicitly disavows his previous views, and even then I suspect that many won't believe him.
In response to Land's comments in Newsweek, Rudy Giuliani replied: "9/11 9/11 9/11, 9/11 9/11. 9/11 9/11 Malcovich, 9/11. 9/11 9/11. Thank you."
Hey Mudshark! What's the situation on your folks in So. Cal.? Good news I hope.
RH @ 19:
Why not look @ Dennis Kucinich? He stands for American people - not just the rich. He has been "on the money" since I first heard of him and he sticks to what he says. (no flips or flops ;) )
This could be fun to watch on a lot of levels -- assuming they're not bluffing.
The GOP would effectively implode, and that's all to the good. But even more entertaining would be seeing how Hannity, Limbaugh, BillO etc. will react when the party splinters and everyone turns on each other. I suspect the right-wing bloviators would side with the Giuliani camp and throw the snakehandlers under the bus. Hilarity ensues.
Question--when I go to the Newsweek website and read the interview, they don't have him saying 'Democrat', but 'Democratic'. Where did C&L get this quote from and has it since been altered by Newsweek?
Not to mention those times when Rudy becomes Trudy, with his cross-dressing performances.
I wonder if Judith picks his wardrobe - just like she calls him during campaign appearances...
Americans are so superstitious, this more than anything will be used by authoritarians to seize control of the government.
If they would vote their country away over a single issue like abortion because a preacher tells them to then they are not deserving of the freedoms that they were born with.
It is fun watching the Repugs implode for sure, but knowing the mindset of my fellow countrymen takes away the joy.
Blue Buddha @ 24:
Contradictory oxymoron?
My head hurts. I think I'll go have a little jumbo shrimp.
Nah, if this really look bleak for Rudy he'll just have an awakening like Romney and change that old position on choice! Repugs are nothing if not flexible...
Interesting comment from Land about DEMS ignoring African-Americans when it was the four leading Repug candidates that couldn't find time on "their schedules" to attend debates with African-American or Hispanic audiences...HYPOCRITES!!! Yet again...
When push comes to shove they'll come back to the fold and vote for Rudy..... In the end what they would hate even more is being out of power.
Mudshark I was watching for you here yesterday but didn't find you. Did you hear from your sister and if so, how are things with her?
On Washington journal this morning the guy was reading a piece about the people working on Rudy's campaign. He told each of their names and their political attitudes. Scared the bejeesus out of me. They are crazy war loving lunatics. Hell, I wouldn't vote for that bastard regardless of what the religious right thinks. He is dangerous to our country, maybe more so than the shit for brains we have now.
Have you ever listened to the King Crimson album 'Discipline' while tripping on acid? There's a song on there called Elephant Talk. This reminds me of that.
ALOT of people wish they would just go ahead and splinter..then they'd see how much of a minority they really freaking are.
Please please please extremist fundamentalist dominionist christian fanatics...form your own party!
YAY!
Michael @ 27 is right, in my experience. The anti-choice crowd will pull the lever based solely on which candidate they think will best further their agenda. Buy in my opinion they might still vote for Rudy if he makes enough promises to put "strict constructionists" (i.e., anti-choicers) on the bench. That way they can tell St. Peter they did what little they could.
Didn't Pat "Culture War" Buchanon already try this when he forced a take over of the Reform Party by his theocratic fascist buddies? But hey, they don't care about history, so let them repeat the mistakes.
Rudy will simply buy the Christians off.
How the Democrat party takes the African-American people for granted. Oh, please elaborate? Like the Repukes are going to do anything for the minorities, elderly, poor, and now the children. It is picking your own poison when choosing your afiliation.
The Democrats taking advantage of the African American Community? Under the last Democratic Administration the African AMerican Community finacially benifited greatly just like most Americans.
Under the republican administration AA know they will be the first to get screwed. By appointing a judge like southwick the right constantly reminds the A-A community what they really think about them.
The right never leaves an opportunity on the table to display there homophobia and racism.
The right has been voting for the terrorpublicans for decades and they still haven't overturned Roe vs Wade.
I would say the chistian-sinning right has been taken advantage of by the right for decades yet there to stupid to realize it.
If this is accurate, and if the the GOP has performed the calculus that tells them that they can afford to sustain the loss of one quarter of a significant support faction in their base, it tells me that they have concluded that their ability to manage and determined the outcome of elections (regardless of how any vote goes) is complete and secure. It secondarily tells me that they are comfortable with whoever they plan on installing whether it is a Republican or a "Democrat".
Paul, what this says is that the Republican party stands by its 'principles' more than anything else. It will stand by its principles until this country is a smoking ruin. You are giving them way too much credit. Show me someone who says he has principles, and I'll show you an arrogant asshole who has to be right all the time.
Hmmmm ...
Religious-Right = Ralph Nader
Works for me.
Fran Taylor @ 47:
And if/when the day comes that the U.S. IS a smoking ruin, the only consolation will be seeing the stupid looks on their faces when they finally come to the realization that jeebus hasn't come to tear off their clothes and whisk them to heaven.
Isn't all this bible thumping shite equivalent to saying, "If he's the nominee I'll tell my sheep to hold their collective breath and not let it out untill we get our way!"?
No, it doesn't.
from RealClearPolitics:
Giuliani (R) - 42.5%
Clinton (D) - 46.8%
average spread - 4.3% (Hillary)
4.3%, obviously prior to the primaries, not exactly home free yet. Progressive blogs can keep running with character assassination of Giuliani, but the fact is that most elected officials have done a great deal of stupid things, including wear dresses and get involved with gangsters and say mean and cruel things (in fact out of all professions, Politican is the least virtuous, so why even bother vetting?), doesn't prevent them from winning over the populace. We're facing a choice between Caesar and Pompey, yet again, both are "electable" in that both can win over stupid plebs.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_electi...
the religious right is lying. They will all fall into Pravda place after the primary
So the thugs don't think the religious right would turn on them?
Are they bat-shit crazy?
Yes.
The religious right is made up of the ministers who turn on their congregations and their families all the damn time. Richard Roberts, anyone? The people sitting on the pew gave up their ability to make decisions about the time they started donating to these whackaloons, but the cognitive dissonance might be too much for even them. Rudy=Clinton^3, and they like their power too much to just blithely vote for Rudy. They are patient sons o' bitches, and its only 4 years, right? And in the meantime they can have Schiavo-like rapturous spasms on the Whitehouse lawn to prove their piety until they get their favored version of bible-thumper back in office.
Wonder who the 3rd dude will be??? At least it won't be Ralph Reed ...
Dionysus @ 51:
I've heard rumors the Republicans have pictures of Hillary in a dress!
It's a BLUFF! These republicans lie all the time.
Guiliani will never win the republican primaries because those committed enough to vote in the republican primary tend to be very far right. Someone like Huckabee is much more likely.
Please, please, please, God!! Please let the Cons split their party in half!!
Makes me want to register as a Republican and vote for Rudy in their primary....
LibertyLover @ 58:
If you and enough others do, and if he wins...... then what?
Bite your tongue.
RockmanEnough @ 59:
One of them is going to win the nomination regardless. Might as well be the one who destroys the party.
For a more tolerant world...bring on the "rapture" Go ahead beam them all up now!
There is no civil war in the GOP.
I personally don't think that Rudy is going to make it. My guess is that the Repigs are going to go with Mitt. Mitt vs. Hillary...and the main topic of the next election cycle? Global Warming? The War? Nope...religion. This will be a referendum on faith. THEN I move to Europe.
mudshark @ 25:
The Who Would Jesus Bomb? Party Of Fallen-away Compassionate Conservatives. Meetings held on the Sabbath after readings from the New Testament.
Joementum @ 31:
I think I need to get my eyes checked. I thought you said Hillary ensues. Could happen, though.
I say, let them run a third-party candidate. The crazy "christians" will detract votes from the Republican candidate (kinda like Nader with the Dems). The party will be split between the "I don't want higher taxes even if it means better services" group and the "gays are bad because the Bible says so" group. In the end, it all translates to less electoral votes for the repub candidate and a better chance of us getting a democrat in the White House.
It's the low-info "reagan democrat" voters who could hand this election to Rudy. That's how he was able to win the NY mayors race. And the anti-Hillary democrats will probably help. Get ready for a rough ride, Rudy is one mean sonofabitch
"I cannot vote for someone who believes that it's all right to stop a beating heart."
Well then, I suppose supporting the death penalty falls outside of his 'beating heart' criterion. As does warmongering. No hypocrisy going on there...
I really want Rudy to run. I look forward to seeing the "Fulton Fish Market Vendors For Truth" telling everybody what a jerk he is.
My my... what arrogance.
If we can't have what we want, we'll take our bat and ball and go home. These people don't seem to realize that the nominee is determined by the votes. I know! What a crazy concept! Letting people vote for who they want to win! What do they think this is, a democracy?
Lol... Asshats. So if Hillary wins does that mean they'll all kill themselves?
I'm so glad they might form their own party. That makes me feel a lot better about the third party of lefty Hillary-haters that will splinter off from the dems.
Like what? In other words, they'll hold their noses and vote for him if he tells the correct lies ... like lithmus test for judges? I think he just admitted that they are still a bunch of whores who want to jump into bed with the one who will whisper sweet lies to them.
Am I the only one who caught this little gem?
What the fuck does that mean? Which party has controlled congress for most of the last 15 years? If the democratic party has lied to and buddy-fucked the black community as much as the repubs have to the christian community, I'd like to see the evidence. That might just make me reconsider my own part affiliation.
plurabelle @ 68:
Exactly. Do these fuckwads even listen to themselves talk?
Joementum @ 54:
I about choked on my coffee on that one. That one was the perfect joke!
PurplePatriot @ 72:
No, they're too busy listening to those "beating hearts"
plurabelle @ 68:
Nevermind the fact that there IS NO HEARTBEAT involved until the 5th week.
xoites defends Constitution @ 17:
The only objective for these troops is to occupy Iraq, and to keep the American casualty count low to continue the occupation.
Oh boy, Ross Perot-redux. I hope they do form their own party, run on their nutty platforms of Homeland Rapture Index, War on Contraception, Morality Police Squads, Office of Jewish Perfecting, and mandatory sentencing of Capital Punishment for gays and women who seek abortion. Just get it all out in the open, I give up on trying to convince people what nutcases are running the country.
E in Md @ 75:
That must be a Republican gestating.
Funny thing is Baptists were considered a cult at one time. Up until at least the Second Vatican Council (1966) Protestantism was considered one of the 13 Great Heresies.
Sola scriptura and sola fide, among the basis of Protestantism, at one time smacked of the Occult, attempting to get in personal communion with God without the help of the Magisterium.
In England, Baptists were considered with about 7 other churches to be Dissenting Churches, because they refused to sign the 39 Articles of Anglican Belief.
Now they're claiming Romney's Mormonism is a cult.
lilorphant @ 77:
Yes...that's an awfully long name for their party though...I suggest The American Nazi Party...yeah that's got a nice ring to it...they'll go far with that one!
Chuck @ 3:
Mitt is a mormon with a sketchy family history. I can't imagine them selecting Mitt; not to mention I don't foresee him getting the nomination.
There is only 1 candidate who has the integrity and positions that the conservative Christians are looking for..... Ron Paul!
We could take a page from their book. They have political needs. Those needs are not being met. They are being dismissed and condescended to by their party of choice. They are being taken for granted because the Republicans know they'll never vote for *gasp* a DEMOCRAT!
So, they're WALKING. Good for them.
You shouldn't have to vote for someone you don't support just because they're (supposedly) the enemy of your enemy.
How about a name befitting their cause:
The Right to Life (on the Fringe) Party
Is this guy's organization tax exempt?
If so, will somebody kindly sue him and them for using their tax exempt status to conduct political/governmental matters?
If his org is tax exempt, isn't it time the rest of us mercilessly attacked these outfits for getting a free ride engaging in illegal political activities at our expense?
I am SO sick of "christian conservatives" and the hell they've brought to this planet.
If the Religious Reich starts a new party that will be great. They won't garner more than 3% of the vote so it'll be a great means to advertise how politically weak they really are. The Christofascists will continue their downward slide into obscurity.
Phoenix Justice @ 73:
Definitely. Big ups to Joementum!
Wow. Rudi Flipflopiani sure has the Religofascist wing of Gods Own Party in quite a tizzy. This hissy fit is way fun to watch but let's just see how much their "principles" really matter when the rubber hits the road and it's time to vote. At that point, not so much, I suspect.
Blue Buddha @ 24:
The Department of Redundancy heard from...
Good. That's the BEST news I've had all week.
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I understand how they feel - Illinois ran two pro-life candidates for governor a few elections back and I e-mailed the Democratic candidates campaign and told them I wouldn't be voting at all in the campaign. Literally a first for me. They actually engaged in an e-mail conversation with me to convince me otherwise - but I was so offended that they had deliberately run this anti-choice candidate that I couldn't back down. So I didn't vote in the election.
If they feel anything like I did ( since their concerns center around moral issues) then they won't back down and all I can say is "GOOD FOR YOU - stay home - don't vote!"
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I think it is the right thing to do for both of them, the party and the religious right. A party wants to win and have power. A religious person wants to live in accordance with his or her values. Sometimes, power and values conflict. Both the party and the religious person should be true to themselves.
As a Democrat, I believe this is, in the long term, bad for the Democratic party, even if it helps in 08 (of course, it is not as if the Democrats are going to need help in 08). In the long term, leaving the religious right behind will strengthen the appeal of the Republicans to independent and undecided voters, especially if, in 2008, a newly elected Democratic Congress and President make the same political mistake Bill Clinton made in 1993 of catering too quickly to the pentup demands of the special interests in the Democratic party. This is one reason I support HRC for President - she is the most likely to understand that and avoid it. I know many progressives do not like to hear this, but emphasizing the extremists in the opposing party is a proven strategy to capture the center, and turning on your own special interests, as Clinton did with Sister Souljah in 1992, for example, is a proven way to signal that you are a centrist, which is what you need to do to win a general election. So don't get too confident about electability just yet.
I've said it so many times I'm blue in the face. The evangelical right is the only thing keeping the Republican Party from joining the 21st century.
from RealClearPolitics:
Giuliani (R) - 42.5%
Clinton (D) - 46.8%
average spread - 4.3% (Hillary)
Are we sure we want to talk about Hillary's spread?
I don't understand Hillary's unpopularity polls (3 pts less than her populart pct.)
Oh, Hillary's trying to give us free health care!
Lynch her!
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Couldn't happen to two bigger groups of lunatics! Enjoy your co-dependent death dance morons!! The GOP and their irrational nutjob base; parting is such sweet sorrow.
Take the fundies in all religions and stick them someplace where they can rant and rave their nonsensical bullshit all day long, without making the rest of us sick unto death.
How the fuck did we arrive at this point where this fringe of crazy lunatics is even given countenance.
Rudy will not be voted for by 30% of conservatives.
Yes I agree, Hillary should be lynched.
What are you a moron?
'FREE' healthcare? This is why the country is going to pot. NOTHING IS FREE idiot.
JFK was the only non-WASP ever elected president, and he was one in everything but religious affiliation. Mario Cuomo would have been acceptable to the electorate for the same reasons, as would Clinton, Obama or Richards, but Giuliani is more like a cross dressing, dapper thug somewhere on the scale between between Al Capone and Benito Mussolini. He is unacceptable to the majority opinion from left to right for reasons that anyone with a three digit IQ understands.
"The one thing we will never allow to happen is for the Republican Party to take us for granted the way the Democrat [sic] Party too often takes the African-American community for granted.”
Excellent shot! Honest, to the point and tag your it Democrats... the party of blacks.
Now for Republicans to illegally purge 2008 black districts of voters while white Democrats sit around thumbs up ass once again and the black base will split from the party effectively crippling the Dems for decades.
It's called caging strategy and it works quite well, thank you very much.
The snake handlers have dissed the snakes. yawn.
"You call that a knife? This is what I call a knife."
"That's a spoon."
"You're good, I can see you played knifey-spooney before."
You should all be praying for Guiliani to win the Replubican nomination. The best thing for America would be for a third party to enter the picture and fracture the two-party deadlock, giving you a taste of actual democracy instead of more Kang and Kodos government.
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