Frontline: Showdown to Iran
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Oct 24, 2007 12:50pm(guest blogged by Bill W.)
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Tuesday night PBS Frontline aired " Showdown with Iran," which completely laid bare the failures of the Bush administration's foreign policy. Despite the U.S.' long history with Iran that resulted in the blowback in the form of the '79 Iranian Revolution that brought the current Islamic Republic to power largely based on its hatred of America, Iran had reached out to the U.S. after 9/11, denouncing terrorism and became an important ally of the coalition against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Iran's leaders had even tendered "a secret proposal for a grand bargain resolving all outstanding issues between the U.S. and Iran, including Iran's support for terrorism and its nuclear program" which Bushco simply ignored ( forgot?), opting instead to include them in his "Axis of Evil" on his 2002 State of the Union Address, which once again angered the nation, completely discrediting their moderate reformist leadership and ultimately helped bring the hard-line party of Ahmadinejad to power.
Much of the evidence presented in the documentary was first revealed in a heavily redacted NYT Op-Ed by Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann, both of whom are prominently featured in this PBS special. Despite the White House's attempt to muzzle them from even mentioning information, all of which had already been reported in a variety of media sources, that exposed the Bush Administration's incredulous undiplomatic push to keep Iran from ever getting off its enemy list, PBS was able to gain unprecedented access to video footage and interviews with Iranian officials that leaves little no doubt that this administration simply refuses to accept any path that would deviate from its decade-old neo-con Middle East war plans .
Perhaps the most damning evidence of Bushco's hell-bent-for-war-with-Iran
Watch the entire episode on PBS' website here .
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Oil that is. Black Gold. Texas Tea
Amazing the United States used to be the biggest pumper out of the grounder of cheap oil once isn't it?
Have we killed any Kurds yet?
They'll get it next, so we can get the Turks to help W with the Iranians. W would never stand up to the Turks. But there's a family tradition for stabbing Kurds in the back.
You can watch fronline online. I suggest watching this one, only with a puke bucket near to hand. I really didnt think I could get MORE pissed at the current administration. Not the first time Ive been wrong.
Don't worry ! The Democrats will protect us ! Get it???? nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. . .
ralph @ 5:
LOL! Good one. Protect us from what? Smoke and mirrors?
What has happened to this country in a few short years? I simply don't recognize it. Anyway, does anyone actually believe that the US won't be attacking Iran within a year? Anyone? Of course not. The war wheels are in motion. And the US population is too stupid, lazy or numb to do anything about it.
Forget California. This ENTIRE country is a disaster area.
George W. Bush... stupid little man.
Seriously, what percentage of US
consumers...errr citizens actually know the difference between Iraq and Iran?Seriously, these idiots mess up EVERYTHING they meddle in. You guys need to put whoever is willing to do the opposite of this current misadministration into the Oval office. How could you go wrong with that?
Christ! When will this shit just STOP?!
Please tell me this is not for real. What kind of magical la-la land does this f*cking idiot live in?
The Truth Hurts @ 7:
I think Bush Co knows we are losing this war and they are shifting their (our) assets, agents, and firepower out of the Country.
Dubai anyone?
"If you harbor terrorists, you are a terrorist". Well, we are.
This is what you get under tyranny. Our preznit is a treasonous traitor serving his oil over-lords. Don't we all get that?
Frontline and any and all actual journalists and bloggers can point out the specifics. They do it all the time. But the point is always the same. Our president and his administration do not serve Americans. They do not represent America. The all belong in jail awaiting death sentences for treason.
Hey, they still have 13 months left to F*ck up what they haven't already. I'd say their batting 1000 so far on antagonizing the rest of the world, but remember, there are over 6 billion people on this planet. Offending EVERYbody takes time. Bush is really good at this, so don't worry he WILL eventually piss off the whole world and turn them all against us.
Bit NOLA @ 15:
They serve Corporations. It's called Fascism.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag"
Bob in N. Thailand @ 16:
Eventually? What is this 'eventually' you speak of?
. . . Paging the American von Stauffenberg . . . Paging
'earl @ # 9'
10% to 15 %
The Saudis bailed him out when he ran an Oil Company into the ground (that takes some serious talent), who is going to bail George out of this Iraq-mire? ...
"Look over thar...! Iss a ... Eye-ranian turrist!"
Would that he where stupid Misguided arrogant greedy all traits of a alcoholic addict he is but his plan to attack Iran has been there all along Stupid the American people for allowing this evil person to place us on the edge of WWIII and be more concerned that there is a picture of Britney Spears twat on the internet
>‘earl @ # 9′
10% to 15 %
All I can say is "wow" ... :(
How long will it take before the reich-wing starts claiming Iran was responsible for 9/11? Set an egg timer.
earl @ 9:
About the same percentage as those who thought the Twerp was the Old Man (41) in 2000.
>About the same percentage as those who thought the Twerp was the Old Man (41) in 2000.
They did? Seriously? I must have blocked that out.
Years ago, when I became a Citizen and took the oath of Allegiance, I was so proud to belong to the best Country in the World. Now I'm ashamed that we have allowed this Administration to put us in the position of being the most reviled. As an Independent I voted Democrat in the last election hoping that they would bring some sanity back to Government. Instead they have shown themselves to be craven cowards. How do we tell them, as a body, that unless they step up to the plate and do what they were elected to do my vote, at least, will not go to a sitting Democrat next time around. Writing to an individual Senator results only in a polite letter, thanking me for my interest and leaves me frustrated and p****d. How do we get our message across to them?
Dick, In His Last Throes
Salivating For More War
Wants To Bomb Iran
Unsustainable
State Of Indefinite War
We're The Aggressors
One Percent Doctrine
Of The Cheney / Bush Admin
Pure Insanity
It wasn't mentioned in the documentary, but Bush hasn't just been using the terrorist group the Mujahedeen-e Khalq (MEK) for cross-border intel-gathering, they have been carrying out attacks.
Eight killed in Iran bomb attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4642170.stm
Bomb blasts hit Iran oil cities
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4754446.stm
Bomb blasts rock Iran
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1141214.cms
Explosion kills 18 elite Rev. Guards of Iran
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/14/ap/world/mainD8N9D3600.shtml
Police, Insurgents Clash After Iran Bomb
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/17/ap/world/mainD8NB523G0.shtml
and on and on. We aren't just harboring terrorists, we are the terrorists-by-proxy.
earl @ 9:
That's not such a bad thing when you think about it. Most of them already want us out of Iraq.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison
Well James, It has come about.
Le Roi Est Mort @ 11:
Well whenever Christ or the 12th Imam, depending on whether you're Christian or Islamic, returns to fix things. We have Bush who is a 'born-again" Christian(yeah....right) and Ahmadinejad who is a Twelver Shi'a. Both of whom are trying to hurry things along to Armageddon. Personally I don't put much weight into prophecies.
Bush should talk about unelected people making decisions for a country. What a two faced double standard dick.... It is time to charge him and his Hench-men and women with the war crimes committed against the people he has murdered in vein. War for oil is not protecting America. He is not for your wellbeing........
Impeach the cheerleader, save the world.
L.A. Confidential @ 6:
Pelosi is protecting us from the Constitution.
arjay @ 34:
HAHAHAHA! Now THAT was good!
Dr. Matt @ 24:
Terrorists = caused 9/11 = Whom ever chimp calls terrorists are, so that's covered.
Le Roi Est Mort @ 11:
When americans actually do something, opposed to believing the tripe.
earl @ 9:
I'd say 10-15 is rather high, and probably an even lower number has any idea of what the CIA did with coup there.
Bob in N. Thailand @ 16:
Unfortunately, this was my take away from the Frontline program as well...the world will band together against the US (us) and heaven help us.
Every Morning I wake up and hope that it has been a bad dream that Bush and Cheney have been
running this country.These have been a very tough 7 years being an American under these
War profiteers.I hope our national nightmare will be over soon .Hillary would seem like disney land compared to this
Unless of course we get Guilianni-Then all bets are off
Peace, Jason
The plan all along was to bring a hardliner to power in Iran. See, Cons need enemies and boogeymen. Without them, the Cons are powerless. They tag them as evil then use it as excuse to launch some epic struggle for the very soul of the world.
Of course, it's just a lucky coincidence that the Cons (and their corporate masters) usually make gobs and gobs of cash once the struggle begins.
Ruthless People @ 35:
She's protecting herself.
Brawlin_Dem @ 40:
Epic struggle for their bank accounts.
As long as oil prices are rising, Bush and Putin are happy.
arjay @ 34:
I love you.
The bible prophesies the anti-Christ will come in God's name to destroy the world. Bush is the anti-Christ in the scripture. The ChristOfascist 24 percenters are too stupid to know they are supporting the devil.
Allow me to condense the article: If Clinton had taken one of the many opportunities to get bin Laden, 9/11 wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't be in this mess.
bornking @ 43:
The little self employed guy pumping 10 barrels a day in Texas is happy too.
"Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. A third time is a conspiracy." I forget which person said this, but in this case it couldn't be more appropriate. The Bush Cabal isn't the stumbling, bumbling American version of Inspector Clouseau, missing every opportunity to do something right. This has all been deliberate from the start. You simply cannot have as many 'misadventures' as it has without doing something right, purely by accident if nothing else, once in a while. To paraphrase Frederick the Great, their modus operandi appears to be "Malice! malice! Always malice!"
The U.S. and Iran haven't had a diplomatic relations for the last 30 years. How the hell are they supposed to talk? All that's left is speeches and bluster.
Watch Israel and Syria. That's the key.
Syria and Iran have a mutual defense agreement. Israel will try bombing Syria again with America's blessings in order to pull the whole region into wider conflict.
If you don't have any actual enemies create your own! Then you can do whatever you want in the name of "safety" and "peace" when the fact is that all you really want are profits and war. Pretty much standard procedure for the current administration.
Start a fight, when you're caught, blame the other guy and use the fight you started as the reason you now have to "defend" yourself by striking first.
If you look closely enough you can actually see the little dollar signs in the eyes of the neocon scumbags as they spew their war rhetoric on tv.
reyvn @ 44:
Seconded. :)
Joementum @ 30:
Actually, here in red-state-land, most know they are different, but all they think they know is that Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb. The first thing out of everyone's mouth is we invaded the wrong country. Missed it by one letter (they even say that line occasionally on the local news). Even while there is not a lot of support for Iraq here, there is widespread support for bombing Iran. Mention Iran anywhere around here (and I do often) and you'll hear 'we ought to turn Iran into a glass parking lot' and all that ignorant crap.
"Frankly, we consider al Qaeda an American creation. So, did 9/11 take place to justify Mr. Bush's next moves? We believe it paved the way for the Neocons to take the actions they did: invade Afghanistan, invade Iraq, and invading Iran was in the works as well" (unidentified Iranian spokesperson in clip).
Yes, sir. Precisely. So how did you get that by the C&L censors?
L.A. Confidential @ 41:
You got that right.
When Pelosi is faces with a GOP induced constitutional crisis she either stares like a deer caught in the headlights or blinks herself into a seizure. Hopefully Cindy Sheehan...or anybody who will stand up to the GOP...will challenge her because Pelosi sure as hell ain't up to the task. We need a Murtha or a Webb as Speaker. Pelosi is in over her head.
phayce @ 53:
That unidentified person is an Iranian newspaper editor. You should watch the entire thing online at the PBS site.
That entire video is from the first half of the show. I also made a mash-up of the second half that is even more damning for Bushco.
Bush's Push For a "Showdown With Iran" highlights (2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHKxuW7RnU
And welcome to the majority view of the country and the attitude that is felt around the world from the US.
The irony being that for a country that is called the United States, the only they they have united is the rest of the world against them (past tense it's happened and a few years ago, it's just some are waking up to it now, most wont).
A lot of them even have the same flag, it's just the same as the stars and strips, just on fire ........
Ya don't have to be a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing!
>Joementum @ 30:
earl @ 9:
Seriously, what percentage of US consumers …errr citizens actually know the difference between Iraq and Iran?
That’s not such a bad thing when you think about it. Most of them already want us out of Iraq.
>Actually, here in red-state-land, most know they are different, but all they think they know is that Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb. The first thing out of everyone’s mouth is we invaded the wrong country. Missed it by one letter (they even say that line occasionally on the local news). Even while there is not a lot of support for Iraq here, there is widespread support for bombing Iran. Mention Iran anywhere around here (and I do often) and you’ll hear ‘we ought to turn Iran into a glass parking lot’ and all that ignorant crap.
Just plain scary.
Do they know that one country over there that starts with "I" already has TONS of nukes ...?
knowing Cheney and Bush, they'll probably bomb the crap out
of Iran, with all their personal assets already overseas in Dubai,
they'll go live happily ever after while America gets nuked by
Russia and China. Then, they'll have their N.A.U.
Well, wait just a minute here. If al Qaeda can start those forest fires in CA, well, then anything the burning bush says could be true!
They are right. We are drunk with power. If you listen to the actual text of speeches that come out of the Middle East, 90 percent of their rhetoric is...well, pretty much on the mark. Does that make me a "T" lover? No. It just means that America is NOT the sole purveyor of truth. Nor are we the greatest country in the world, nor the most democratic, nor the most compassionate.
We are, as the past 8 years or so has so clearly illuminated, a highly flawed society.
Jerry @ 56:
You should at least link to Robert Newman instead of just plagiarizing him. ;)
Robert Newman's 'The History of Oil'
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159
Carrot and Schtick @ 10:
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I'm voting for Kucinich in the primaries, but if Stephen Colbert gets the Democratic nomination, then so be it!
I would vote for Colbert for president if my choices were Colbert-Independent, Clinton-Democrat and Giulliani-Republican.
Think about it...
I can't conceive we are now going to war against Iran. It makes me sick.
Gee I never heard from the msm that Iran helped us destroy the Taliban. This is how we thank them? As soon as they helped us and denounced terrorists we call them part of the "axis of evil" and threaten them daily. No wonder they hate us. The 24%ers should have to watch this over and over again until they get it. bush screwed Iran over big time and destroyed any hope for diplomacy. That the WH claims that they are trying diplomacy first is now without a doubt a proven LIE. Why would they trust us again? For the first time in forever they had stopped their "death to America" to help us and this is their reward.
Jerry @ 56:
For the record....that isn't me. There seems to be another Jerry.
Bit NOLA @ 15:
Damn right they do!
justabill @ 62:
You should at least link to Robert Newman instead of just plagiarizing him. ;)
Robert Newman's 'The History of Oil'
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159
True though I was being lazy ........... I'm now going to brand you a terrorist and invade all your posts for oil because of my warped religious views and C&L forum domination plans .......... any posts either side of you better watch out as they are likely supporting your cause ........ with err ........ bold tags and words, and err ....... other such terrorist things 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 TERROR TERROR TERROR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR
Every one do as I say, bwhahahhahahahah for I am the one true chimp !!
scruzman, you're such a 'tard! Bush let bin Laden go at Tora Bora to justify invading Iraq. He then proceeds to ignore him, letting him conspire from his hideout in Pakistan, all the while using the threat of al Queda as a rallying cry for whatever madness Bush wants to invoke on the world. Bin laden is still there and yet Bush does nothing!!
Bush does not take bin Laden seriously! He uses him as an excuse to expand his unilateral executive authority, destroying the constitution for which he pretends to defend. Freedom is the buzzword for why we fight, and yet it is precisely these freedoms that Bush is slowly stripping away from America. If we allow the threat of terrorism to be the excuse to turn us into a fascist dictatorship, then what the hell are we fighting for anyway!
JerryO @ 65:
For the record....that isn't me. There seems to be another Jerry.
I'll post as JerryM if it helps.
Jerry @ 67:
Are you a Bush speechwriter? Or are you just plagiarizing them now? :lol:
Mad as Hell @ 68:
According to Faux News, so take it for what it's worth, Bush just did that same thing again.
scruzman @ 46:
Oh, back off! If Clinton had tried to unilaterily take out OBL the right would have >continued< to have conniption fits. Wake up!! Bushco had this plan in works with or without OBL.
This is total freakin' INSANITY!!!! Can we do a citizens arrest? Seriously.....is there such a thing? Or a citizens impeachment? We can no longer afford to wait for congress to do anything. It's getting too critical.
Wasting words I write..bush and the rest of the wankers should be kicked to the curb for gross incompetence at the least and jailed for their many crimes, impeachment would be just the beginning of the karma they have created. The tender of a diplomatic solution offered in good faith and respect by Iran was treated like a piecer of toilet paper by a bunch of fools who would rather have virtual reality orgasms when the bombs started falling than admit to impotence. They have shown to us all their complete lack of competence, integrity, or moral compass.
They chose the deaths of tens of thousands in Iraq, where unbeknown to most they were offered a solution that didn't entail invasion by Saddam himself prior to the start of the war that would have averted the tragedy we see unfold daily.
Now it is found that they have essentially done the same in Iran and nothing, nothing is done by those in government to stop this madness.
It is really time to get a little more serious about the way we protest, a lot more serious. I read somewhere lately that it takes only eleven percent of the populace to affect change but I don't see how..any ideas out there.
This is like watching the biggest, slowest trainwreck in history ...
justabill @ 70:
You must give up your keyboards and monitors only then will I be able to save you, there are millions of deadly virus' on the other side of your modem ....... ummm, and they want to eat your face, just like ........ err, the evil goat, yes that's it, best give me the logon to all your email accounts, it's what true patriots do ......
Other wise your an America hater and a terrorist.
(Then again hating/being dissapointed at what America has/is become ...... well, that kinda makes sense now)
scruzman @ 46:
That my friend is total bullshit. read my post those are the facts jack, none of this had to happen but not because of Clinton's failure to capture Osama
SITE MONITOR The vids no workee??
[They work for me]
justabill @ 71:
Aarrrrrgh!! Again Bush let him go! Unbelievable! If I hear somebody else blame Clinton for the mess we are in I am gonna shoot something. Many times.
JW @ 4:
I watched this program Tuesday night. I agree 100% with JW's assessment. I also never thought I would say the following: the religious fanatics in Iran are more rational than the ones in Washington.
I guarantee you this, the same people (neo-cons) that supported the war with Iraq, are going to be STUPID enough to support attacking Iran.
And by people, I mean the average person, not people in power. These are the hardcore Christian nut jobs who believe Bush is always right. Stupid political/religious nut jobs.
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
what planet are you on? fasicism is here now. you are one of the blind........
Ruthless People @ 45:
Not to mention the Caligula of the 21st century.
Stan @ 63:
I agree -- hell, I'm sure we all do: the question is, can Bush/Cheney conceive of going to war against Iran?
It almost seems like they said, "wait a minute, the Iranians are being nice, we can't have that, we need fear, do something quick to piss them off!"
centralilgirl @ 73:
Yes there is...it's called revolution...I know I'm not the only one who feels it comin either...
I tried to watch the Frontline show, but Will Lyman is the most slumber-inducing narrator on TV.
ZZZZzzz!*
We've gone from blow jobs to blow backs.
liberalNmoderation @ 85:
Sooner rather than later please.
arjay @ 34:
I remember going to high school pep rallies, and when the cheerleaders started leaping about, hoping for a flash of panties.
"...drunk with power." ???
What makes him say that?
Johnny2Bad @ 90:
That's so un-flair.
"What the hell ever happened to Bush’s ” If you harbor terrorists, you are terrorists“? "
Bush is a terrorist. He uses fear to control people. The Congress, the Senate, and worst of all, the American people; all of us are under his thumb and are controlled by his lies.
The only solution is revolution. The only way such a thing can happen is a non-partisan march on the white house DEMANDING the administrtation's removal. Sadly we'd need at least five million people. Think we can actually get that many or are we all too outrage fatigued?
scruzman @ 46:
Thanks for an load of psychotic bullshit. Obviously you didn't watch this program on Frontline, but Neocons never let truth get in the way of their delusional vision of world dominance.
Tigerwong @ 94:
I think one million non partisans would be fine...one million armed to the teeth non partisans...And I'm NOWHERE near being "outrage fatigued" as you say...my outrage has yet to even begin percolatin...
biff diggerence @ 19:
Stauffenberg, while brave, missed.
ysbaddaden @ 91:
You are hoping for a flash of GWB's panties?
bmw 528 @ 95:
Scruzman...LMAO!!! and "Reagonomics" brought the economic boom in the Clinton era right? Bullshit! Bullshit! BULLSHIT!!! Next you're gonna tell me the world is flat and Jeeebus was a blue eyed blonde with fair skin...
Whenever the Bush administration makes another prediction, why, why, why doesn't the news media ask "You were wrong here, here, here and here, so why is this prediction different?" Instead the media just nod their heads and hope to find some gotcha game with lapel pins or something. Beats asking real questions.
I hope Bush leaves in Jan 2009. Who knows? The commander in chief has oodles of powers in war time, they say, and cannot be denied. So will he leave?
PBS is airing a ton of great stuff lately. Kudos to the people over there
L.A. Confidential @ 13:
Du break it, Dubai it.
I did remember Iran helping us a little with Afghanistan, and 9/11... but then Bush bitch-slaps the olive branch out of their hands. Iran was on the list of countries to take out when the PNAC drafted their master plan a little over ten years ago. Notice that Bush accepted Libya's peace, and pretty much left Khadafi alone when he brought up a peace proposal, yet he's been saber rattling over Iran for the past five or six years. The difference? Libya got left off of PNAC's agenda... and they don't have as much oil.
isnt this what happens when you fill your administration with cold warriors, and go out of your way to destroy those with any understanding of the middle east?
fubar
I've been allergic to Armaggedon ever since my indoctrination via fundamentalist Christianity during an otherwise happy childhood. This is so nightmarish! If only America was "not a country for old men."
"Drunk with power"??? Hmmmmm. Can this be an honest statement? Let's see now....would about 275 incursions around the world since 1950 justify that statement?
Compare all these incursions to all the incursions made by other countries combined.....it's about 250 higher!
I guess the question we ask in Canada (being geographically seperated by a gorge) is WHY? Is it fear or it is just the need to be the Ultimate Power?
We don't have either of those here in Canada. Why? The feeling is, we are only as good as anyone else in the world but in many cases only luckier. We try to do something positive with this good fortune.................Like sharing our country and its benefits with the less fortunate from other countries.
razant @ 106:
Last thought......OUR love for this country has absolutely nothing to do with POWER.
...And I say back to the Iranian Imam, no sir! We are not all drunk with power here in America. Only a criminal few who have managed thru electoral manipulation and outright criminal acts to seize power... They are the ones drunk with power. That is true, and only that. And while many morons here who don't know any better back these fools, a growing larger majority see this emporor has no clothes...See his administration in general as equally amoral and immoral and WE, the average U.S citizen are agitating in slowly growing numbers to end this dreck we are currently saddled with which includes inuendo and threats against your nation among many ills needing correcting.
We are in a growing struggle, internally in America, to find new leaders who will take back the leadership positions in this nation and set a new better direction by among other things, returning our foreign policy and nature of relating to the rest of the world back to a policy position that may or may never have existed but certainly hasn't existed since WWI. What our nations intelligence community in the form of the CIA did against your nation in the early 50s was nothing short of criminal meddling in your nations internal affairs. Sadly, most of the perps in that situation have already passed on and can no longer be held accountable in this world. It is only the rest of us left who are paying for it.. Innocents on both sides now. And all the dying and behind the scenes meddling politically, ideologically and militarily by both Iran and the U.S. is only making matters worse.
And, I must also say sir, your inflamatory rhetoric that produces the images of your citizens shouting 'death to America' with your urgings are no more productive in seeing a peaceful resolution to the current hightened state of international tensions any more than the braindead mutterings of this current sitting U.S. president. I did not vote for this man, I have no respect for him, but I have to put up with him so far. But sir, finally I say to you, if our two nations and in the larger view our two cultures cannot find the peaceful middle path which must include a recognition and acceptance of our cultural differences as well as those things we might reasonably share in common.. If we can't find that path of peace, then in the end, it won't matter if the christian god or the muslim allah was right or wrong... We will all be dead as well as the planet...
Somehow I think, we as a species, as two modern cultures can and should do better for the sake of humanity in general. I truly doubt that either the wests christian god or the islamic worlds muslim allah ever wanted it to all come to this.... Not if they truly represent, dieties of love and peace..............JD
The biggest revelation from the PBS documentary wasn't how Bush screwed Iran after they helped us in Afghanistan, it was that Bush has been using a terrorist group to attack Iran from Iraq.
I think that kind of got lost because it was below the fold. That part of the story should be huge.
At some time in the distant future, should the Iranians offer to meet and negotiate with the Bush administration in 'Heaven', unfortunately, it will not be possible even then.
For I know 'God', and 'He' can be merciful and forgiving, but even 'He' will not grant the Bushits a visa from the underworld to enter 'His' kingdom.
So Sayeth Preacher Boob, 'From 'God's' lips to your ears'.
Frontline was one of the main media perpetrators of the Iraq war. We must not fawn when it makes a film that is not 100% propaganda. PBS and Frontline are often not what they may appear to be, or may have been a long time ago. I've done an analysis of this episode of Frontline and my take is a bit different; I found it a mixed bag at best. Read my blog post here:
http://www.chicagomediaaction.org//news.php?id=576
and read my essay on PBS here:
http://themediastructurefailed.zoomshare.com/files/z_sept_07.pdf
Bush has not done one thing right in his whole life so why start now. He has an agenda that includes getting the O I L from the middle east. He is acting like the Imperial Japanese government in the late 1930's. WW II was a result of their thirst for O I L in Indo-china. Bush is lying once again and about 25% of the idiots in the republithug party drink his Kook Aid daily.
WORST PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY. History will not look kindly on men whose only mission in life is to get more oil for his buddies. Remember the oil meeting held by Darth Dick soon after they were appointed? That's why we never were allowed to know anything about this meeting that was held to tell the oil companies that help was on the way and the bush crime family would make sure they made all the money they would ever want to make. SHAMELESSLY killing our troops for oil.
Bush turns absolutely EVERYTHING he touches into shit! Iranians in the streets
showing support and sympathy for America after 9/11 and not even a year later
Bush smashes all of it to oblivion! Man, I hate that fucking piece of shit so much!
It ended very succinctly with the ex-V.P. of Iran saying you have people who not only are politicians, but also view themselves as doing God's work. This is very dangerous to the world. He was not only referring to the Bush Administration, but I think also to his own government.
justabill @ 109:
Wow. So, we've got terrorists working for us now? So, like, that makes us, what, leader of the axis of evil? Between this and Santorum implying that Christians in America only practice their faith on Sunday, I'm confused. So, like, is everything they say all just bullshit talk?
/slaps forehead
/sighs deeply
Nice job communicating the thrust of this program, justabill. I appreciate it.
Bush said the terrorist every day think of new ways of destroying us, and "so do we".
If you look at our economy, democracy, freedom, rights, jobs, retirement programs, health programs, our national guards (we have them no more for our disasters like New Orleans, fire in California, etc) and now our military is being replaced with Blackwater mercenary force.
liberalNmoderation @ 99:
Ya mean he didn't look like this?
http://www.geocities.com/metacrock2000/Jesus_pages/jesus-n-med.jpg
I prefer to think he looks like this guy on the right.
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/images/pics/chong2.jpg
The only time I prefer the right position.
Fanon @ 98:
No I'm saying real Texans join football teams, not cheerleader squads.
WWHHS?
What Would Hank Hill Say?
I get pissed when Iranians speak collectively about Americans.
It makes me want to bomb them with English textbooks...
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