Turkish Air Force Strikes Targets Inside Iraq
By Logan Murphy Friday Oct 26, 2007 8:11am
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MSNBC reported earlier today that Turkey's Prime Minister says their Air Forces have hit targets in the Kurdish region of northern Iraq. More from MSNBC:
Turkish forces hit Kurdish rebel targets in northern Iraq, Turkey’s deputy prime minister said Friday.
The state-run Anatolia news agency reported that Turkish aircraft attacked suspected rebel positions that were detected during reconnaissance flights. There were no reports of guerrilla casualties. Read more...
UPDATE: (Nicole) It appears that there is much confusion over this story...after all three cable networks reported the air strikes as a breaking story Friday morning, they stopped reporting it by Friday evening. What little news out there is contradictory: in one, the US is considering air strikes themselves;in another, they advocate diplomacy; in a third, they claim the time for diplomacy is over and then, perhaps most typically, officials say they'll do nothing at all. Whether this is due to a lazy or incompetent media or through deliberate obfuscation on the part of State Department, I can't tell, but it is clear that we're not getting the full story.
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Leave our war alone!
It's so easy to obfuscate a news story. Back in college, one of my friends was part of a practical joke. Around Xmas time, a couple people dressed as Santa Claus, went downtown and passed out flyers advocating to arm the homeless (ie: give guns to homeless people to defend themselves).
Of course, the local media jumped on this story, so the guy who came up with the idea agreed to speak to three media outlets. On one, he said that he wanted to be in a darkened studio with his voice altered. At another, he said that he wanted to be in a darkened studio without his voice altered. At the third, he said it doesn't matter... he's not afraid of anyone. And of course, he told three different stories as to how and why he was doing it.
So while each of the three media outlets were like flies on shit to cover this story and get "an exclusive interview" before any of the others, it was all bullshit.
Hey, the more the merrier. Way to go Cheney! Opening up Pandora's Box.
After yesterdays staged press conference, the whitehouse's pathetic apology for it and the media's not really wanting to talk about it or roast the government for being intentional liars should we believe any information from the mainstream media?
Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, we will get fooled again.
Blue Buddha @ 2:
Did you friend get a job at the Whitehouse?
FINALLY, some attention is being paid to the Turkish/Kurdish flash point. This is the place where EVERYTHING could explode. If Turkey enters in to this mess that Bush the Bungler has created, we could be on the verge of WWWIII (or is it IV now?). The Turks have shown great restraint over the past 3 years. I don't know how long they will be able to stay out of Bush's Blood Bath!
The link read more on the article leads to a page that contains none of the information in the post, and speaks of the Turks pondering a strike. This is definitely a scrub. Someone broke some news they weren't supposed to.
We just witnessed a rare moment where our government and the press they run were off script.
OOPS! Media reports too quickly before government can phone the MSM to tell them not to report it. Kind of like the non-reporting going on of US incursions and killing in Iran. All quiet now. Nothing is happening. We ain't killing Iranians. Nope. What a great MSM we have.
I thought the Kurdish region was the safe place. I thought the gop talking points touted it as the place to go as a tourist, a "the other Iraq" "Iraq Kurdistan launches tourism campaign" http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2006-10-20-kurdistan-tourism...
What happened?
Since it's all speculation at this point.. I want to play! Okay, so Turkey goes in and takes care of the problem they were having.. in, out, over with. What an embarrassment to the major powers after all these years! What, did they hit a major supplier of advanced IED's that the White House wanted to label "made in Iran" or better yet.. found out Osama wasn't actually in Pakistan, rather he was in Iraq near the Turkey boarder and now he's in parts near the boarder of Turkey? oooooo now that would be time for some real closed-door PR deals.
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BUSH WARNS OF ‘DIARRHEA’ CONSEQUENCES IF TURKS AND KURDS ‘MIX IT UP’
Nothing on BBC, Reuters, or Al-Jazeera...
Kurkey?
psa23dg @ 11:
Sorry, I meant to type Unitedforpeace.org and colorofchange.org.
Will the US stand up to the Ottoman Empire?
The London Times online
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2738363.ece
has a little more, but it doesn't mention airstrikes. Something happened, obviously.
Why does the summer of 1914 keep running through my head?
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/europe/article73863.ece
Maybe it won't get truncated this time! If it does, just go to the Times online!
The most likely reason for muddying the waters is that the Turks have launched a full scale invasion and the Bushites are trying to keep a lid on that.
Grandma Jefferson @ 17:
from your link:
Turkish forces claim they killed 30 during a Kurdish guerrilla attack near the Iraqi border last night just hours before talks to avoid a major military incursion were due to be held in Ankara.
An Iraqi delegation lead by the Defence Minister will arrive in Turkey today as the Turkish Government demanded concrete action against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which is based in northern Iraq.
The delegation will try to convince Turkish officials that Baghdad can shut down PKK operations within its borders without a full-blown military attack from Turkey.
President Abdullah Gul of Turkey, warned Iraq: “We are running out of patience and we will not tolerate the use of Iraqi soil for terrorist activities. We are fully determined to take all necessary steps to end this threat.”
That'd be interesting if the PKK contracted Blackwater and Dynacorp to help them fight off the Turks.
Blue Buddha @ 2:
As fellow NATO members, the Turks could ask that we join the fight with them. We may have to attack Iraq again!
ConcernedCanuck @ 3:
Agree with you 100%. This is what happens when you invade a foreign country for no reason, and you do not even understand their culture. Stupid neo-cons
the message the media wants to convey is that Iran is the one attacking Iraq. Turkey is outside the narrative they want to portray.
So if Turkey bombs The Kurds, will Armenia and Azerbaijan just sit there? Are those two former Soviet republics not without fairly large populations of Kurds themselves? Or are they 'minorities' and ripe for a little ethnic cleansing too? Does Russia have a defense treaty with those two former republics? george bush = cluster fuck extraordinaire!
This could be just what our leaders have been waiting for...or at least a wedge between Turkey and Iran (who recently signed a pipeline deal). But this is a complicated situation, which is the worst kind of situation for our leadership to be involved in; furthermore, reading the background on is enough to make a cynic think that our behavior amounts to lighting the wick on this powder keg in a backhanded way.
Turkey has not been as helpful as we would like in the Iraq conflict, but they are a major transit point for our military into and out of the Middle East. The Turks are pretty hot and bothered about that Armenian genocide resolution that Ms. Pelosi is so fond of...and while it is probably right to recognize that genocide, now is certainly not the time for Congress to call the Turks mass murderers. (especially considering that no Turk alive now participated in it) Mr. Bush telling the Turkish parliament how to vote on their invasion resolution was not very swift either. Real diplomacy happens away from public view; we must entertain the possibility that Mr. Bush's public statement was planned to infuriate the Turks...i.e. he wanted them to vote for invasion but needed to look like he is against it.
The PKK has threatened to fight to the last drop of blood against a Turkish invasion. Such an act also holds the possibility of sparking Kurdish unrest throughout Eastern Turkey and Western Iran. If the Turks go in, will the Iranians follow? And in this case, will that be enough to wedge Turkey away from Iran? In the twisted thinking of this administration, the best possibility might be even inadvertent conflict happening between Turkey and Iran. After all, Turkey is a NATO member so Iranians killing Turks would be enough to invoke the entanglement of foreign alliances and give us an airtight reasoning to invade Iran...and drag NATO in there with us. Having failed at building a coalition of the willing for Iraq, this might be a coalition of the unwilling being forced to uphold their treaty obligations.
Since we are relatively friendly with both Turkey and the Kurds (except for that Bush I trick of promising help if they revolted against Saddam and then letting them get gassed with US delivery systems), we will hang at least one of our "friends" out to dry.
Our leadership might as well be playing RISK, and as any RISK player knows, the Caspian basin is vital if you really want it all. Unfortunately, our leadership is just smart enough to be very dangerous and not nearly smart enough to actually get it all...i mean if you're into building empires and the like.
"We'll stay on top of it" - by not covering it at all and erasing any evidence that we ever did cover it and in fact now has the following headline if you search Turkey on msnbc.com: Turkey holds off on Iraq attack decision until Dec 5th which fights against their older headline of: Report: Turkish planes, gunships attack Kurds
but by the time this is posted I'm sure MSNBC will have the story somewhere off their front page just so they can claim their not doing what Faux do: bury the lead!
The media has been weird in general as of late.
Iraq and Afghanistan: dead quiet
Syria and Kurdistan: static and mixed messages
Lebanon: Who?
North Africa: Who's interested?
Iran: AS MUCH NOISE AS POSSIBLE
Hmmm. What do you think the media's priority is right now? Same as Dick Cheney's?
For 250 bucks, you can get your own "free-to-air" sat-receiver (includes antenna, etc), turn it on and watch teevee from them A-rab countries. I would watch and listen, but I hardly speak English let alone Turkee or A-rab.
OK, the media is clouding the issue, there are at least 3 types of kurdish armed militias in northern Iraq. Each militia is associated with a Kurdish Political party. there is the PKK, (which is the group that is f-n with the Turks,) there is the PDK, allied with US forces. There is also the PUK (the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan; which Jalal Talibani, one of the leaders in the new government of Iraq; is a member).
The label "Kurdish Rebels" is a blanket statement that misrepresents the issue.
The PKK is the turkish target.
The other groups are the ones that have elements screwing with the Iranians.
I'm no rocket scientist, but a little research of open sources would educate these professional journalists sufficently to produce an informative product that actually describes the situation on the ground.
Their inability to do so suggest their is a political agenda to the reporting, an agenda that requires U.S.citizens to beignorant of the facts.
I keep thinking about how WW1 actually started as a series of events that could not be immeditely connected to some larger conflict.
So, if Iran sides with Turkey because both ethnicities have long-standing beefs with the Kurds, do we go to war with Iran and Turkey, or even use it to create a false-flag opportunity to attack Iran, dragging china and russia into the fray?
Are Saudi, Egypt, etc actually on the side of the US? will Israel be brought into the conflict. can we expect gb, australia, south africa and palao to support the us?
If Israel joins the fray, do the arab countries stay neutral?
Certainly, the Africa office of the pentagon is going to play a part.
Will all peace-loving people become collateral damage, AGAIN!?
stay tuned.
jackpine savage @ 27:
maybe the point is to strip away the allies from these mass murderers so they do not continue to contemplate war as a diplomatic tool. but it appears that absolutely nothing will deter chainey from his war lust.
Worst clusterfuck in the world!
Also shows that in our absence, Iraq would be over run by its neighbors and divided, setting off more conflicts.
I still think we should pull out completely and immediately. We need to go to the Haague which offers counseling on anger management for rogue nations.
We've made a d'awful mess.
Oh boy, we got a new partner in the coalition of the willing (to kill). Why'd they name their country after a bird? JK but, you know that Joe Bob is actually wondering about that.
What happens when the fresh (and locally supplied) Turkish army runs into the worn out, poorly equipped, and supplied from a distance American army in the former's transparent attempt to grab a huge chunk of the fractured Iraqi state? What will elements of various state militias and national guards and middle aged reservists be able to do against a serious military force with aspirations of joining the EU? Could we be seeing the final act in the destruction of the American military set in motion by a Southern Baptist lunatic who seriously thinks that Jesus will return if he just creates enough murder and mayhem on the world stage? Bye bye U S of A, it's been nice knowing you. Everybody who voted for these idiots should be locked up in a mental hospital.
Try this--USA wants Turkey to invade and slaughter the Iraq Kurds.The Pest Kurds are no use now to USA. USA wants the oil to herself.
I've searched through dozens of Canadian online articles and they're all pretty much the same. The CBC had the most to say. Here's the link
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/071024/w102457A.html
Come on in the water's fine.
CIU @ 6:
Agreed. Everyone knows full well that the PKK have been in the nothern Iraqi mountains since at least 1984. The Turks know this all to well since they have had to deal with them all of that time. Its as if the Bush Administration were hoping the PKK would just go away or remain restrained enough so that the Bush Admnistration could use them against the Iranians at some later date. It appears the PKK have their own goals in mind and see this as the perfect opportunity to carry it out against the Turks.
I've been reading many of the Turkish newspapers as well as Kurdish regarding this issue. The Turkish population is pissed and wants Ankara to take action against the PKK. This is definately a powder keg ready explode especially since the Turkish/Iraq talks broke down today.
It looks like the Bush Administration has received an ultimatum from the Turks. It looks like the Turks are saying "Your either with us, or your with the terrorists":
Toptan: US faces choice to act or not to act with Turkey against terror
"Parliament Speaker Köksal Toptan directed strong criticism against the United States, saying its stance on the problem of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) presence in Iraq was “encouraging” the terrorist organization."
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=125676
Northern Iraq has been way too stable for the man behind Chaos, Dick Cheney. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the PKK are being armed and trained by US Special Forces. The only constant in the Bush + Cheney equation is chaos. So they'll talk about how terrible this is and pretend to make peace with Turkey, like the pretend with any other mid-east issue, and I bet this border crisis at a minimum becomes an ongoing slow burn. BushCo have learned that the benefits of chaos are endless.
This is NOT good. The Ottoman Empire has been the root of major wars throughout history. Who do we side with here? The Kurds that we need for influence in Iraq, or our NATO allies.
This idiot in the White House has NO IDEA of the political and historical forces that he's been dicking around with for the last six years.
cheney/bush must be ecstatic as a result of this. Now they have an excuse to also kill "brown people" from Turkey. bush wasn't kidding when he said WWIII, he was just 5 years late in saying it!
Looks like this pre-emptive war thing is really catching on. History will record that this was the main precedent established when the 'World's Only Superpower' was taken over by a Neocon Zionist 'Israel Uber Alles' coup.
'Course we won't have to worry about that for long.
'History' will only last for another 20-30 years, at the rate we're going.
Lord Balto @ 36:
Since the Turkish army pretty much uses in its majority hand me downs from the US, and Turkey itself depends heavily on not pissing off the EU and the US of A... I am willing to venture that this will just be a huff of hot air by Ankara to calm the local population. There is no way that Turkey would engage US troops willingly...
However, they can make the life of the US rather miserable if they were for example to forbid US military flights to cross Turkish air space.
I agree wholeheartedly that this moron in Chief has the geopolitical acumen of a seventy year old Alzheimer's patient on meth, i.e. not that much. This administration diplomatic maneuvering has been akin to a pissed off gorilla left loose in a locked china store.
CIU @ 6:
In August 2006 both Turkey and Iran were firing artillery into Northern Iraq and it wasn't reported by any of the US mainstream media. That was partially because MSM was busy trying not to report about the hundreds of innocent civilians who were being killed by the US cluster munitions used by Israel in Lebanon. It's not like this is anything new. It's just that the Bush Administration kept it out of the MSM as long as it could.
Preacher Boob @ 44:
Actually I would not put it pass Bush to want to destroy civilization so that there are no future historians to judge his cluster fuck of an administration.
Anyone know where Turkey buys its aircraft from?
QUESTION the US-Israel-Turkey Axis!!!
Does this alliance, as it has been operating, benefit the citizens (us), or other interests?
Does this alliance shape our foreign policy the way we, the citizens, believe our foreign policy should behave, or does this alliance destroy any righteousness that we may aspire to?
Does this alliance represent our values and ethics as a nation, and even interests, or does this alliance further degrade our ideals and cynically change America from a country of "right" to a country of "might is right"?
I am endlessly troubled by our de facto imperialist perspective. "The Turks have shown great restraint over the past 3 years." Well, if you consider a continued occupation and repression of Kurds within Turkey as restraint, well, then OK. Watching, and Waiting for the US to destroy Iraq in order to better control it may be more than "restraint." Especially if an invasion is ultimately in the making...
The shockingly unified megaphone of our media has convinced us that this "is the wrong time for the Armenian Genocide" resolution, as if Turkey would ever submit that there is a "right" time!! And, speaking of "right time", gee, I don't know, but a resolution reminding them that we accept that they committed genocide (as have -23- other nations!!!), right before they are about to invade/attack another country, and FURTHER harass-persecute a minority that they are on record of persecuting, may just be "THE RIGHT TIME!!!"
But, no! The "Empire is Us" media "cleanses" their reportage from silly "emotionalisms" and reports pragmatics...
Lastly, just because we CHOOSE to fool ourselves, let's not be so arrogant to think that others are buying our bullshit with the same enthusiasm...
The emperor has been naked for years now...
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A local Boise cable station has just reported that the 'Holy Church of The Redeemer Jesus Christ for Peace' has just nuked 'The Denver Citadel for the Rehab of Fallen Cocksu**ing Ministers and TV Evangelists'.
Looks like Idaho and Colorado are getting it on in the name of the Prince of Peace.
Christ, who knows where this may lead?
Insanity Compounded by Insanity: Bush Offers to Bomb Iraqi Kurds
iggy @ 48:
Most of the Turkish attack aircraft are of U.S. design (F-16, F-4E Phantom II, F-4E 2020 Terminator, etc.) Attack aircraft consist of mostly American blackhawks, Huey's and Euro Super Puma.
Most main battle tanks are older American and German Leopards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Air_Force
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/europe/turquie/turquie_index_materiel.htm
Joe O. @ 52:
The second part should be attack helicopters (I.E. blackhawks, Huey's, etc.)
Just another stage in the chaos that I would tell flag-pinned Neocons about on PA ave in front of the White House, just before shokenaw. They scoffed and stepped along cocksure that they were fixing everything with violence and fantasy.
I fully support Turkey in their invasion of the Kurdish north. The Kurdish dogs claim sovereignty over land which belongs to 4 different nations and for that reason an independent Kurdistan would be as bad as having another Israel in the region.
The New Zealand Herald has an article about it. With video.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10472456
Let's not forget. what was it, 190000 US firearms in Iraq unaccounted for? Perhaps the Kurds know where they are. Right or wrong both sides are probably being supplied with US arms. Perhaps the citizens of the US should think twice about electing grandsons and sons of arms merchants to the presidency. But hey, business is booming.
In my country the news are that Turkey did an airstrike against kurdish territory.
And there's this news on today newspaper:
"En plena crisis con Bagdad por la presencia de rebeldes kurdos en el norte de Irak, el ministro de Relaciones Exteriores turco Ali Babacan viaja a Irán, país que pidió a Turquía que evite actuar militarmente contra su vecino.
Un comunicado del ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores afirmaba que Babacan se reuniría con el presidente Mahmud Ahmedinejad y su homólogo Manushehr Mottaki durante su estancia de dos días en Teherán.
Sin embargo, el domingo, Teherán rechazó dar apoyo a una posible incursión militar turca en el norte de Irak, abogando por el recurso al "diálogo" y a los "instrumentos diplomáticos" para solventar la crisis. La visita de Babacan es parte de una gira regional de preparación para la conferencia sobre Irak que tendrá lugar en Estambul los días 2 y 3 de noviembre."
And the awful translation with comments in () by me:
In the middle of a crisis because of the presence of kurdish rebels in northern Irak, the turkish minister of external affairs Ali Babacan travels to Iran, country that asked Turkey to avoid military action against Iraq.
In a communicate, the minister of external affairs (of Iran) said that Babacan will meet with the president Mahmud Ahmedinejad and his homologue (I'm not sure if the word homologue exist) Manushehr Mottaki during the two days he'll stay in Teheran.
On sunday, Teheran denied support to a possible Turkish military incursion on the north of Iraq, claiming the resources of "dialog (you know... talk)" and the "diplomatic instruments" to solve the crisis. The visit of Babacan it's part of a regional tour in preparation for the conference about Irak that will have place in Estambul on 2 and 3 of November.
Funny, Turkey it's attacking north Iraq... USA it's thinking about bombing north Iraq too... and Iran it's trying to get a peaceful solution.
The world it's crazy.
a Bush clusterfuck a day keeps the MSM focused on Britney Spears custody hearings
Anyone remember A Clean Break:A New Strategy for Securing the Realm ??
Also see: Wikipedia: A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
Step one: invade Iraq, threatening Iran from the west & Syria from the east.
Step two: invade Lebanon, toppling Hezbollah, removing Syrian & Iranian influence and threatening Syria from the south.
Step three: having isolated Syria from Iran, use a three-pronged attack on Syria - from Iraq, from Israel, and from "our" trusted allies in Turkey.
Going just great, right?
Nowhere in "A Clean Break" is there ANY mention of Kurds, Kurdistan, or the Turkish conflict with the Kurds, nor is there any doubt that Turkey would go along with this plan.
Ooops !!
The so-called "real world" belligerently refuses to behave like the chessboard in the Oval Office.
Somehow the Judaeo-Christo-Fascist fantasy that we get to remake the world in our own image has run into a glitch.
Well here's part 5 of the meltdown of the Middle East, brought to you by of all things, a retarded chimpanzee! I feel sorry for the Kurdish, they have been screwed for so long now it's a wonder there are any left.
It could all be part of the plan. Bush trying his damnedest to start another war before he leaves Washington (I hope he leaves). Isn't Turkey one the main jumping off points into Iraq? If Turkey gets pissed off and denies use of its bases and airspace that would be very detrimental to supplying U.S. boots on the ground. Then if Iran finally goes over the edge, which I believe that is what the WarPigs are hoping for, and start shooting missiles into Iraq or at our ships at sea and further shut down supply lines, that's when the call will go out to save our troops and hit Iran. Most likely it won't be conventionally. Can you say 'nuclear bunker busters'? Iran will not go down like Iraq did. The people of Iran for the most part are very pro-western. They understand that all this saber rattling is between governments. If Bush starts lobbing bombs into Iran, those sentiments will be killed along with God knows how may innocent Iranians. It's already happened in Iraq and Bush is prepared to do it all over again. Why is this madman still in power?
it is clear that we’re not getting the full story.
George has the Reverse Midas touch. Every time he reaches for more gold he scratches his butt and the stinky finger prevails.
That's the shorter story. The full story requires an upper colonic.
GOPBullshit @ 55:
that reads so ignorant. what have the kurds done to deserve this? most of thes 'borders' are the result of the british 'partitioning' the region. why were the Kurds ignored when the borders were drawn? probably because in typical fashion, the british drew up borders with the intent of ensuring a perpetuating conflict if they lost control of a region or nation.
It appears MSNBC scrubbed your link.
Let's remember, the Turks lost 250,000 (that's a quarter million) soldiers at Gallipoli, one battle attempting to open supply lines through the Dardenelles. The combined Allied casualties were 140,000. The Allies, BTW, LOST the battle.
Famous speech by Mustafa Kamal, later Pasha of Turkey: "I do not command you to fight, I command you to die. In the time it will take us to die, we can be replenished by new forces." He went on to found the modern Turkey, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
These are the people to whom our chickenhawk, AWOL, draft-dodging junta, in their Imperial Hubris, think we can dictate...
Please note this interesting article from April (Iran) regarding Kurdistan and Turkey. Note the use of 'political' labels.
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/printer_21541.shtml
Also note this interesting site in general ...
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/
... complete with ads by google and a 'singles' category.
Like the guy in the bar said today, "It's already Armaggedon."
The least they can do is call it by its name.
Sounds like the "parts start flying off, and all hell breaks loose," Cheney predicted in 1994. (Excuse me if my info isn't perfect here. I'm not fact checking. I'm sure we've all seen that now famous video.)
It appears that the Kurds will get an early taste of some Turkey before Thanksgiving, thanks to the turkeys in the Whitehouse.
Apparently, now that the truth has leaked around MSNBC's obfuscation, it's MS and NBC who are instigating pre-emptive wars.
Who the hell do they think they are, William Randolph Hearst?
And who's gonna defend us against them, Google and YouTube?
kablooie @ 69:
Years ago (before it was even "popular") someone asked me about Iraq. My response: "It's a shemozzle." Does that count? ;)
60 MountainMan23 Says: (see post) and this: The so-called “real world” belligerently refuses to behave like the chessboard in the Oval Office.
For years I worked as a land surveyor. Back in the office, the world was flat and white, as drawn on a draftsman's plan. The boss, used to say, to us, the field crew, "Just go over there, and... " (pointing with is clean and bony finger). What he couldn't see, and what we had to explain, was just "going over there" was down a cliff and through a swamp, and that's why we haven't "just gone over there" yet. If we could have, we wouldn't be here asking you, "What next?" (But we didn't add "shithead" until we'd left the office.)
I fear this could be part of the problem in Washington, and with dough boys like "the Bloody Kristol". Great in your mind, but in real life, with people on the ground...
Turks hate Americans, and thats a fact.
geoman77 @ 13:
Turkey pounds rebel positions, Iraq pushes diplomacy
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007...
in case they change that one too, it should stay cached on google
http://www.google.com/search?q=Turkey+pounds+rebel+positions%2C+Iraq+pus...
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I GUESS THE KURDS WERE BEING TOO PEACEFUL.
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Geno in Ptown @ 24:
Until the facts are known, if ever, I will continue to believe that the neo-cons are not so stupid. It appears to me that they probably feel things are just going swimmingly. If only the war could just expand a bit but we can't have everything, can we?
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The tragedy of the Kurds is the fact that their country has been invaded and annexed by Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. The PKK and other Kurdish organizations and militias are simply trying to wrest their country back from the above-mentioned occupiers.
Whatever Turkey does I am sure will involve close communication with if not support by the US military. Foreign planes flying into territory monitored by the AWAC's and such? Could lead to confrontations unless coordinated.
"Whether this is due to a lazy or incompetent media or through deliberate obfuscation on the part of State Department, I can’t tell..." -Nicole.
Q: Isn't that the same thing?
A: Yep.
Joe O. @ 40:
The Turkish/Kurd conflict is just another example of how strategically STUPID George the Brat and his enablers' were in going into Iraq. Any first year Middle-East history student could have told them why it was a bad idea. But the Naked Emporer and his tailors, in their hubris, decided that Iraq was "low hanging fruit" that wiser strategists would have resisted plucking! "IDIOTS" is the word that comes to mind here....
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