October 29, 2007 08:14 AM
The serial exaggerator strikes again
Rudy Giuliani, whose record for jaw-dropping exaggerations is unmatched, apparently just can't help himself.
OK, Rudy Giuliani has just released an ad claiming that the survival rate from prostate cancer is much higher in America than in Britain, thus proving the failure of socialized medicine.
The problem is that his claim is just plain false. In fact, mortality rates from prostate cancer are almost the same in America and Britain.
So, will this get as much attention as, say, the Edwards haircut or the Hillary laugh? Will it get any coverage at all? Bear in mind that health care is the central domestic issue of this election — and Rudy has just showed that he doesn’t know a thing about it.
A Washington Post reporter recently suggested political reporters will get around to scrutinizing Giuliani's whoppers at some point in the future. Now seems like a perfectly good time, doesn't it?
it will only get attention if we FORCE them to look at it! First!
Giulani then added, "You know what causes prostate cancer? 9/11."
I'm not surprised. Republicans leaders blatantly lied to support their positions. The lies are then picked up by their 28% base, who spread them throughout the U.S.
They have lost all credibility. We now have to fact check all their statements.
The surprise and shock will be when we catch a Republican telling the truth.
IOKIYAR, 9/11, withusoragainstus?
THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM
THEY HATE US OUR FREEDOM
THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM
THEY HATE FREEDOM (we're gettin' warmer)
HATE FREEDOM
HATE (add fear, stir, serve cold)
FOX NEWS ALERT: Your chances of prostate cancer will rise if you vote democrat.
"Will it get any coverage at all?"
Yes: CYA.
9/11! Terrorism!
Either I don't understand something, or they don't.
I am under the impression that Healthcare deals with getting as many people as possible insured. Healthcare does not run hospitals, clinics or doctors. They would do what Medicare and Insurance companies do.
Currently some, maybe most medical providers have agreed to perform services and accept the Medicare approved amounts for services rendered.
Hospitals currently are required to accept patients even if destitute which results in billions of dollars of losses to them.
Healthcare would actually help alleviate this problem by assuring that medical services are compensated.
According to Sen. Reid a family of 4 now typically pays $1,500.00/mo for insurance.
Am I wrong?
It will only get major media attention if the major Dem candidates start attacking the GOP nutballs instead of entirely focusing on each other. The really irritating thing about Clinton, Obama, and Edwards is that they haven't even tried to do to Giuliani, Romney, or McCain what these GOPers have been doing to them for months now. God knows there's enough idiocies in Ghouliani's record alone that Hillary, Barack, and John could deliver 15-minute speeches at every campaign stop about them, but you don't hear a peep.
So Rudy declares that Hillary and Barack want to invite Osama and Ahmadenijibberjabber to their inauguration balls, and since there's no rapid response (let alone any pre-existing attack on his credibility), in short order 30% of the American public will actually believe it.
Reporter: We know there is a story out there and eventually we will get to it.
Police Officer: We know there is a con-man out there and eventually we will get it.
Fire Dept: We know there is an arsonist out there and eventually we will get to it.
Strange reply from a "journalist".
HEY RUDY, IF WE’RE REALLY HEALTHIER THAN BRITAIN, EXPLAIN THIS!
Polls I've looked at tell me he's no lock. He's losing badly in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. Wonder where he's building the firewall? MSM is trying to prop this loser up because they salivate over a HRC/Ghouliani rematch.
As far as Rudy lying and being called on it, we know from reality that the lie is immediately accepted as fact and repeated until a percentage of Americans believe it and nothing else.
It doesn't matter if he is lying, even if it is proven if it is a lie that, if it is a lie people would like to believe..
Every lie told by the Bush administration is still around and accepted as popular fact by a large poirtion of the American people in spite of the efforts and proof to debunk them.
It's the media, the repitition and the wishful thinking of propaganda!
Until you can think of somethiing stronger than that, we atre at the mercy of the lies and the lying liars!
Rudy needs a good enema! He is full of shit!
Sure they'll get around to criticizing Rudy just as soon as their fascist handlers tell them they can...which will be never!
reporters and pundits aren't smart enough to analyse anything...it's more important to discuss the Clinton's sex life, Hillary's laugh, Edward's haircut and Obama's name......Puck said it correctly.."What fools these mortals be"............
And when are they going to cover this fact: New Yorkers hate Giulianni. He was the Mayor of our town, and we hate him.
He is a divisive idiot who embarrassed himself publically, not to mention his entire family, by screwing around on his wife.
He saw an opportunity after 9-11 to grand stand, to the point where he wanted to keep himself in office even though another Mayor had already been elected.
We call it like it is here in NYC: he's nuts - we knew that before he started wearing dresses.
it's the same old crap......lies,spin and more lies.
who in their right mind would want to elect a Mayor to be prezz......Sumthin tells me the country needs some experience in the foreign policy dept..............a mayor...you gotta be kidding.
Get around to it some time in the future? You're a political reporter? then now is the perfect future for you! Do your damned jobs! Journalism ain't for "some time in the future"!
I am so tired of the blatant lies about the NHS. Is it perfect? God no. Does it need a shakeup? Yes. People tend to forget that Maggie and the Tories seriously under-invested in it and tried to run it into the ground.
Waiting times are down. But that is the thing the like to throw out, "ooh, you have to wait in a line." Yeah, because with HMOs you get all the care you want.
I have experience of both systems and I know what I prefer. My sister was chucked out of the hospital 24 hours after her first child was born. My son, born in the UK told me stay as long as you feel comfortable. I got support and care, and midwives coming to my house for 10 days after the birth. It's a lot easier to bond when you don't worry about the bills being paid.
I have never had a problem getting dentist appointments or doctor's appointments. I would hate to see what all my dental work would have cost in the USA.
People should be covered by their government. It is quite shocking how much premiums costs. Whether or not you have health insurance in the USA, you still can't afford to get sick.
If Giuliani gets in office, you can bet your sweet patoot that I will NEVER return to the USA to live.
Message to Rudy:
Keep your fear mongering away from my balls!
Great, give me a tax deduction so I can afford to buy insurance! Weeeeee! Then, in the same law, make it so you cannot be denied coverage for any reason (ie: pre-existing conditions, or whatever other reasons they can fabricate).
If someone gets hurt or sick, they should never be denied treatment.
Radical huh?
I got into a discussion just yesterday with a repub.....her point was it's still better than anywhere else........all I said was insurance and prescriptions.........she walked away .As for Rudy.....well what do you expect.....what he's saying is no tax dollars for the less fortunate when it comes to health care....when he was mayor of NYC...Rudy and Kerick made a perfect couple.A couple of thugs.I can't believe some people are even considering him.......
if you're waiting for our esteemed media to pick up on this and report factually even, then best wishes. ain't gonna happen. ever. our media has shown itself to be entirely without moral conviction. never take the high road or the road less traveled. just keep going along with the program and don't rock the boat.
Time to spin that big motivator wheel again to explain what's behind the latest Republicult failure:
Is Rudy lying, incompetent, stupid, or some or all in combination, conjoined with a generous helping of douche?
The reason why the 5-year survival rates from prostate cancer in the U.S have increased to nearly 100% is because of PSA screening, early detection, and investments made in research from federal funding. If reich-wingers had their pro-death ways, they would cut funding to the NIH/NCI and have every man, women, and child fend for themselves. This has NOTHING to do with "socialized medicine".
Psst...NO! Shut up!! Don't let the press bring up this stuff now, wait until he get's the Repubican nomination!
I'm guessing the story will break somewhere around the 2nd Tuesday in November.
2008.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24345537@N00/130284120/ The Lying King
GonzoD @ 14:
Not covered under his Health Ins. policy - elective cosmetic surgery. Besides, a few more pounds of coagulated excrement and we have mini-DICK! All the foulness of Cheney in a smaller, more mobile package.
me_over_here @ 21:
Excellent points. My wife was in Europe in the late 1970s and while in Scotland had to have an emergency root canal done. What did this cost her? Not a penny. That certainly would not happen in this country since not only would a citizen of this country get charged with the service but so would a visitor to this country. As far as waiting to see a doctor in this country, a few years ago my wife had to wait, not five days, nor five weeks, but FIVE MONTHS, before she saw a physician.
The bottom line is that it is simple unfathomable that the richest and most advanced country in the world does not have universal health care. As Michael Moore's film pointed out, according to the WHO, the U.S. ranked 37th in the world in taking care of the health care its citizens, ranking just ahead of Slovenia. As a button that I have states: "Universal Health Care-Putting People Before Profits" which means eliminating the insurance companies from being involved in running health care in this country.
The media will continue their servile parroting of lies like 'Gore claimed he invented the internet' and 'Ahmadinejad called for the destruction of Israel' long after Rudy's exaggerations have gone down into dust.
Prostate cancer survival rates in the U.S. are extremely skewed because of PSA testing. Many, many "cancers" are being diagnosed and treated when there is a very good chance that the cancer never would have turned into anything. Don't take it from me, take it from Dr. Barry Kramer, one of the nation's foremost experts on cancer prevention from the National Institutes of Health:
Rudy is an idiot.
Oh I don't know. As much as I believe his lies/exaggerations need to be reported by an unbiased (cough) press, if he manages to win the nomination the microscope will be turned on him and him alone. All those ridiculous things coming out of his mouth will be there to make him look the utter fool he is. As much as I despise the man, I almost want him to be the candidate. I will love watching him get eaten up by his idiocy and watching the Fundies get divided. He ain't gonna be President.
rat bastahd @ 35:
'Zackly.
Stupid Rudy stories make my day, simply because he is such an idiot and somehow he's getting by (or, more precisely, over). He is an oblivious, meglomaniacal shill for the profit-taking corporationalists- including, as pointed out here, "Big Media"- and his daily shamblings are like a fucking train wreck from which I cannot divert my wondering gaze.
Then there's the scary notion that this same train may actually pull into my station in 12 months. If that becomes the case, I'm walking to Canada...
Looks to me like Rudy Mussolini's competence is also greatly exaggerated as well. In reality, he is just another macho hack with a superiority complex. He reminds me of the compulsive liar that Jon Lovitz played on SNL.
Does it matter if he tells the truth? It hasn't mattered for anyone in the shrub co. crime family for years. He's just showing the repug masters he can perform with the best of them.
Besides it's not like the people he's pandering to care if it's the truth or not. As long as it comes from the tv it's true to them.
When Rudy went through his cancer treatments, his health insurance was provided by the taxpayers of New York. In other words, he was on socialized medicine.
I doubt if the press will mention that.
American heakth care does you know good if you are one of the many in this country that can't afford it. Ask "the mayor" about that problem why doesn't someone..?
bluestatedon @ 9:
Absolutely right on!!! Will the Dems ever affect a good agressive strategy? If one of the second tier Democrats were to "jump crazy" on this stuff he might just make a name for himself AND get us someone we could get excited about. This whole process is tooooo long to keep my interest.
the media are always carrying Rudy's water. No ammount of putting the command center in the towers, or marriages, or Bernie Kerik's mob ties are enough to break their Pravdaness
Giuliani should be called "The Burger King" because he has told so many "Whoppers".
This year I saw a Halloween mask of that creepy looking Burger King for sale at many stores. Someone should put one of those masks on and follow Rudy around with a giant placard saying "Rudy tells more Whoppers than Burger Kind sells".
That'll get some media attention focused on Rudy's lies and exaggerations.
Gotta make sure you have the placard though, so Rudy doesn't turn it around as an ethnic slur.
If anything the can be learned from Bush admin is that with enough and over exaggeration of lies, the lies itself become the truth.
Dem has understand this principle, and shout LOUDER (i.e. scream MORAL DECENCY to the public) to refute the lies and rhetoric, not cower in humiliation and request for fair hearing and decency.
Or dem has to change the ballgame altogether, such that those who continually propagate the lies are demoted, denounced, and relegated to neverland by the CHURCH. Yes, that's right, link promoting lies as in committing a sin.
Later on , Ghouliani was quoted saying :
RagingGurrl @ 17:
2nd this. I live in nyc, and he was a f'g fascist dirtbag. I cannot believe the U.S. is falling for this guy. Unreal.
Where I come from, we have a name for serial exaggeration. LIAR.
Don't be too hard on Rudi. He came up with that while he was humping his girlfriend in the home of his then wife and family.
My father didn't die from Prostate Cancer, but from Medical Malpractice. You work hard your whole life, and you just get **** on. I'm mad as hell at this Country.
So, is Juliani saying that under his health care plans, I can see the same doctors that get to take care of him (but without taxpayer funding like Juliani gets)? Also, will doctors be calling me and knocking down my doors to get checkups like they treat him?
See folks, I think part of the health care problem is that it makes it legal for doctors to selectively choose patients. A doctor can just say "I don't take your insurance" and if said insurance has a majority of poor black people, what a coincidence. I also think that insurance keeps bad doctors in employment and makes the workload easier for all doctors; like my doctor example above, if said doctor doesn't want to have "too busy" a work schedule, he doesn't have to, he knows there are others out there that can cover the sick for him and share the workload; this doctor can see who he wants, when he wants; if there was more true competition in the market where insurance wasn't a factor, I could see Juliani's doctors and get the same treatment as he gets; but I'm not special like Juliani, he gets the finest doctors in the world, I get average. I'm sorry to all you doctors out there, I don't mean to bash but I think most of my animosity is caused by the insurance industry; I hope this is not how things are but it is how I perceive them from having insurance and then not having insurance and trying to see different doctors.
Grammar correction: "Rudy has just shown...not showed.
If there could be a worse president than George Fuck Head Bush it would be Roody Ghouliani.
Rudi what nut job you are.
I agree with this.
He is a divisive idiot who embarrassed himself publically, not to mention his entire family, by screwing around on his wife.
i say let the repubes run sir 911. could there be an easier candidate paper lion chickenshit chicken hawk to rip apart. he has too many skeletons and past statements in his closet. his record can be reviewed and torn wide open to show that the rudy running is not the rudy so many people have grown to know and hate. there are all the pre 911 years and his deep issues of public mistrust waiting in the wings. and by the time the final vote comes down, even his 911 montra will be paper thin. when compared to any of the dem candidates, he will look all wrong for our country. i believe that the majority of american citizens will realize that fear mongoring is no longer a platform they can suppport. and you can damn well be sure that the evangelical right will not come out in angry hords to support a candidate so weak at living a life of values they demand. after all, they are the votes that gave us 4 more years of the boy king george.
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