Cafferty debates with a Man-Stalker named Rachel Mardsen: "waterboarding is a swim lesson"
By John Amato Wednesday Oct 31, 2007 3:26pm
An interesting exchange between Jack Cafferty and Rachel Marsden occurred on CNN yesterday while discussing Bush's new AG pick, Mukasey. Cafferty blasted Alberto Gonzalez over his role in dismantling our rule of law, including torture/waterboarding--here's what they said:
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Cafferty: I think he's trying to tread a minefield that was laid down for him by that sycophantic little yes-weasle Alberto Gonzalez. He, who wrote the memos in secret saying the Geneva Conventions didn't apply to American when it came to enemy combatants, who wrote secret memos saying the President of the US didn't have to obey the FISA court laws when it came to spying on Americans. That kind of subterfuge of the American rule of law is an entirely separate issue from whether or not waterboarding is torture or whether or nor surveillance under these conditions or those conditions is a good idea.
And now Mr Mukasey can't say whether waterboarding is torture cause if he does, liability suddenly accrues for a whole lot of folks and who knows what the consequences are. Meanwhile, Gonzalez is wondering around happy as a clam. he out to be in jail for what he did. He didn't answer questions on Capitol hill, he didn't cooperate with the subpoenas, he couldn't remember anything when he was asked. And then he's allowed to resign and walk into the sunshine...
Mardsen: Well I think we do have to define torture. One man's torture is another man's CIA's sponsored swim lesson.
A swim lesson? OK, I had to find out about this Republican talker because she's obviously a bit off. And as we know, there is no such thing as a person being "too far right" in our media. Well. well. well...Why is CNN using a stalker? You see, as I googled Rachel Mardsen, I found some very interesting info on her. And here.
She was also escorted out of FOX:
SECURITY officers hastily escorted "Red Eye" contributor Rachel Marsden out of Fox News Channel's Midtown headquarters yesterday for bizarre and erratic behavior. "She's out of her [bleeping] mind. She was doing crazy stuff," a spy told us...
The 28–year–old woman who falsely accused a swim coach at Simon Fraser University of sexual harassment in the mid 1990s, now faces a charge of criminal harassment.
Rachel Marsden was arrested by Vancouver Police after a 52–year–old Vancouver man complained of being harassed by phone and e-mail. Police say the two had an intimate on–again, off–again relationship over the past 12 months.
But Constable Sarah Bloor says Marsden began making threatening phone calls and e-mails to the man between October 7 and November 12 of this year.
Marsden was held in custody overnight.
Rebecca Traister of Salon has a three page profile about her on Salon. From all the reports I'd have to deduce that she's one crazy gal and I have to ask CNN once again--why was she on The Situation Room?
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Shout it from the highest mountain !
We need a new rule: No more calling it "waterboarding." Waterboarding sounds like a carnival ride. Call it what it is: drowning torture.
Maybe that hack Glen Beck wasn't available to make a mockery of the legal system.
One man's torture is another man's CIA-sponsored swim lesson? Do those come with CIA-sponsored water wings?
I don't care about her history of stalking. It's an ad hominen attack that has nothing to do with her politics, which so weak that an attack on her character would be like Mike Tyson punching DJ Qualls. Why not just note that she has no idea how referring to torture victims as "enemy combatants" instead of "prisoners of war" is a horrible use of semantics in order to legally sidestep the immoral actions of our government.
Why doesn't she volunteer to take one of those swimming lessons to prove her point? What a loose cannon. She belongs in a padded room.
How on earth do these 'pundits' continue to get airtime and paychecks? Great research. It was easy using teh google.
1, she needs to take a dive in from the deep end!
So according to this Twat, we need to sit down and define every little dirty trick the Republicans dream up and whether or not it's torture in order to know what torture is?
In that case, I say we make the Republican conservatives sit down and define exactly what 'offensive' is. Every possible situation on Tv where someone is going to be offended by say, pornography, or nudity or necrophilia.
You're talking about defining something that is hugely encompassing but is also common sense ya dumb bitch! I don't need to write it down that slamming your fingers in a car door over and over again is torture for it to be torture.
How about all you rejects who are in favor of waterboarding go take a swim in the CIA pool and see how you like it?
There seems to be an endless stream of these reichwing zombies, doesn't it?!!!
Another good way to define it is this:
If a nation of brown people were doing it to our troops/Christians/Republicans would you support it? Or would you start screaming to invade?
If you wouldn't want someone doing it to you, then you shouldn't be doing it to them. How freaking hard is that to understand?
Torture is torture and it's not a CIA Sponsored Swim Lesson just because our side is the one doing it.
ahhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhh
when will the madness cease!?
the same shit every day.
I'm so tired of reading this stuff
what a mess
an embarrassment
maybe we ought to test water boarding on every person who suggests it is not torture
Calling this version of torture "waterboarding" is like referring to one being put on the rack as a "chiropractic adjustment".
While we're at it, we could also redefine "manicure" and "dentistry".
Perhaps Rachel thinks one woman's sexual harassment is one man's flirting as well...not !
She certainly doesn't like it when the shoe was on the other foot. She is one sick little piddle puppy.
I guess someone should tell the first american who is water-boarded by this administration or american soldier by an enemy it is a swim lesson.
Maybe stalking a swim coach teaches someone a lot about CIA swim lessons. Sounds to me like she held her breath underwater just a little too long.
Someone tell me why as a nation we have to torture now facing terrorism, but when facing the soviets who really could have destroyed america, we fought against it?
Republicans are fearful sheep.
A CIA-sponsored swim lesson! What a card! How provocative!
For fuck's sake, why is anything any wingnut says "provocative" at worst, when we're all supposed to be so dangerous?
As for her personal history, I'd like to say it's irrelevant, but the news networks set this bar themselves with Scott Ritter.
Go back to Canada you ditz, we don't need you coming down
here and adding to the heap of shit that has already piled up
since January 2000. America has plenty of it's own conservative
braindead asshats, thank you very much!
In her "swimming lessons" they hold you under the water until you start to breath the water, then they might let you up. She is swimming in shit right now, Cat-out-of-bag and all.
She's too wacked for Fox? That's about as hard to do as putting a camel through an eye of a needle.
CNN is stoopid.
But the thugs have to cull every mental ward, bunko artist, and brothel to find people of this caliber to represent them. W keeps saying "It's hard work." Apparentleeee.
Dana @ 19:
She's all yours!
We don't want her back, and after all, she seems to be more "American" than Canadian, anyway.
Oh, man.............how sweet it is!!! I have often thought that as a last resort, bushco has been hiring fairly attractive female talking heads to help spread the evil........Dana Perino also comes to mind. Wonder is she is a whack job, too. Uh, yeah, she's a chronic liar.
Question is, why would Cafferty even bother talking to a nutjob like that, as you pointed out.
As the Canadian widow, living in Vancouver, of an American who was tortured by the North Vietnamese during Vietnam, I don't know what to say, except I want Miss Marsden to look me in the eye and tell me my husband wasn't tortured and didn't suffer from his injuries for over thirty years.
She is reprehensible.
Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.
For Dan,
Heather
I still don't comprehend why these morons think they are so morally righteous that if someone else commits such an act it is heinous and must be punished, but when WE do it it's justifiable. And yet these are the same people who jump around saying that morality is not open to interpretation when it comes to abortion, gay rights, etc, and that God knows better than any human EVER could. I'm so damn tired of these double standards. Torture is wrong, murder (deliberate unprovoked killing if they want a definition for THAT) is wrong, doing anything to harm other people when your life and the lives of others are not in danger from THAT individual is WRONG.
And by the way: we can call what they do to innocents "torture," but I'm sure that they refer to it as something very similar to "CIA sponsered swim lessons."
Its bitterly ironic that many of those on the right believe in moral absolutism about abortion and homosexuals, but when it comes to torture, its all “grey and relative.” They attack “moral relativism” except when they engage in it themselves...
The problem is we all have 'incompetence fatigue' from 7 years of this corruption laden administration. By the time you get pissed off finding out all the sordid details of one scandal, there are three others.....(WMD, Abu Gharib, Guantanamo, Gonzales, firing of attorneys, Plamegate, cronyism, Schiavo, wiretapping, energy task force, mission accomplished, and on and on and on....oh yeah...stealing the election, too!
George Arndt @ 27:
Kinda like the fundies who say that the Bible HAS to be taken literally, but then turn into literary figurativists when seeking the "signs" of the Apocalypse as stated in Revelation.
Jack Cafferty did not help matters when he proclaimed that he did not care if prisoners held by the U.S. were lined up against a wall and shot. Apparently things like habeas corpus and conducting trials to determine a person's guilt or innocence are considered too quaint for conservatives like Cafferty and Ms. Mardsen. Another example of American Exceptionalism at its finest [or worst].
MUKASEY DRAWS A ‘LINE IN THE SAND’ ON WATERBOARDING
when are you americans going to wake up and realize that you are listening to CRAZy people? no...i don't mean just a differing opinion...
i mean CRAAAAAAAAAAAAZEEEEEEE.....wooo woo nutso......and you let them get on TV?
I just watched the vid. "Peace of Westphalia"? Well at least we now know what standards the Sick Far Right adheres to, cause you know, I didn't think they had any.
Maybe it was the 2nd Article's beginning that SheWack was referring to?
"That there shall be on the one side and the other a perpetual Oblivion, Amnesty, or Pardon of all that has been committed since the beginning of these Troubles,....."
Course the U.S. never signed the Treaty. And it was so successful in bringing Peace that my ancestors fled Alsace soon after.
Peace.
I just read the Salon article. Left me thinking: Typical wingnut! When confronted with her own malicious behavior she blamed others... that guy she accused of rape, and then the harrassment coordinator... just typical.
rasta @ 32:
Sadly Rasta, a lot of Americans are crazy too. Not a majority, but enough. Remember, the crazier side gets the most attention, since they are indeed fucking NUTS about their beliefs, and the rest of us have too much shit to do to spend all our time at rallies, lobbying Congressmen, and picketing funerals.
Look, I don't know where else to post this, and no one has their e-mail addresses around, so I'm just going to post it here. I think Crooks and Liars should spread this article as much as they can. Today's issue of the Independent in the UK had an article featuring an interview with Malcolm Nance, an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security.
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Nance talks about how waterboarding is used at the SERE school (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School in San Diego) to teach our people what waterboarding feels like in case they're ever captured and tortured. In his words:
"waterboarding is a torture technique – period".
The practice involves strapping the person being interrogated on to a board as pints of water are forced into his lungs through a cloth covering his face while the victim's mouth is forced open. Its effect, according to Mr Nance, is a process of slow-motion suffocation.
[...]
While US media reports typically state that waterboarding involves "simulated drowning", Mr Nance explained that "since the lungs are actually filling with water", there is nothing simulated about it. "Waterboarding," he said, "is slow-motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of blackout and expiration. When done right, it is controlled death."
Please make this a front page feature. Spread it everywhere, I just don't know how to contact anyone about it. I read this article today and it really upset me. It tells what waterboarding really is.
Canuknotusa @ 23:
NOOOOOoooooooooooo!
Where do these assholes get their talking points?
The Peace of Westphalia was an accord signed as a peace treaty in the 1600s!!!! There are no binding regulations for countries not involved in the accords. And the main tenets of those accords had to do mostly with religious freedom in central Europe, the Peace of Westphalia allowed for Christians living in places where their denomination was not the established church were guaranteed the right to practice their faith in public during allotted hours and in private at their will. The second outcome/regulation of this peace was the carving of the German and Prussian territories.
The Geneva Convention is a completely different animal. It is a binding resolution, and which the US of A as a co-signer is bounded by BTW, regulating warfare, international conflict, and prisoner treatment. The interesting tidbit is that if the republicons want to make it an issue of definition of these prisoners as whether or not they are considered "enemy combatants," then it becomes an issue that the accused are not war prisoners and thus not bounded by the Geneva Convention... but as soon as that is the case, these prisoners become convicts. And as such, the US of A is bonded by its constitution as it is the law of the land here. That is what most of the defense of the poor saps at Guantanamo has fought under. And why the US of A is
The fact of the matter is that these so called "CIA sponsored swimming lessons" --whoah, that is Compassionate Conservatism at its finest, eh? Where do these people get their lack of humanity from? Just ignore for a second that we live in a society that has deemed acceptable for a person to utter those words as a joke in a public forum and be OK with it, or at least not run out of the room with a wet sock-- are not only illegal under the Geneva Convention... but they are also illegal under the laws of our land. Either way, this administration is breaking the law by torturing people, either if they are considered "enemy combatants" or "common criminals."
So basically, this discussion is about oranges (The Geneva Convention and torture), and this asshole lady replies with something about apples (The Peace of Westphalia). Why bother any more...
An even stupider version of Coulter, I didn't think it was possible.
raker @ 2 Says:
e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_torture
Waterboarding's number two after forced ingestion.
Well, maybe these right-wingers think "waterboarding" is a kinky sex act.
I posted a comment a few seconds ago and I'm not seeing it, which has never happened before on C&L, so I'm going to post it again.
C&L, Sitemonitor, please use this story from today's Independent. They talk with Malcolm Nance, a DHS adviser, about waterboarding. Just the headline alone should tell you why you should spread this as far as you can.
LINK
Waterboarding is torture - I did it myself, says US advisor
While US media reports typically state that waterboarding involves "simulated drowning", Mr Nance explained that "since the lungs are actually filling with water", there is nothing simulated about it. "Waterboarding," he said, "is slow-motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of blackout and expiration. When done right, it is controlled death."
I can't find anyone's e-mail address to send them this article, and it is a fantastic article. It honestly upset me to read it. I don't know how else to get the word out, so please spread it around.
Oh well, another republican with sexual issues, what's new here, she looks like a nympho and a bag full of problems to me, you know, the kind of chick one meet and get intimated with, then two days later she vandalizes your house for not calling back. Nice piece of work.
Marsden truly puts the "ditz" in pundits. What a whack job. Mental instability must be a requirement for being a Neocon.
Speaking on behalf of Canadians, I apologize for inflicting this kook on you. We'll try to keep them at home. *hides face*
What is heard on talk shows and talk radio today in the U.S. is reminiscent of what Ziauddin Sardar and Merryl Wyn Davies said in their important work "American Dream-Global Nightmare" when they wrote, "The democratic spirit of talk radio [and by extension, television talk shows] is that everyone is entitled to an opinion, which of course they are. It just does not follow that everyone knows what they are talking about".
she's a paid hack
that is cheaper to use the Mann coulter
It's all about the bottomline
The right wing certainly has a pattern of hiring questionable "talent" as talking heads. Time to buy a bigger net.
I remember this wacko from stories up here in British Columbia last year, or even longer ago. She caused quite a stir at the University of BC involving stalking, threats and other stuff that was really off the wall. I could't believe it was her on CNN, but they have others of her ilk in their employ, so why not?
As an expatriate American for more than 30 yrs., I'm so glad I made that decision to get out while the getting was good.
So the news networks are putting on an admitted stakler and all around nutcase becasue she looks good in a skirt?
Matt @ 4:
She's a rightwing nutjob! I first saw her on the documentary from CBC, Sticks and Stones, with the reporter Bob McKeown. (click the link and watch it for free on freedocumentaries *dot* org)
The womean is a younger, female version of Bill O'Really. Any attacks on her character are justified; she's one of those moralizing, judgemental wingers whose closet is filled with enough skeletal remains to fill a graveyard.
One man’s torture is another man’s CIA’s sponsored swim lesson.
Sounds like the doorknob rehearsed that line. What's next, toots? a fuckin Adam's apple transplant?
Nick @ 43:
No apologies necessary! We've subjected the world the GW Bush, so we understand your shame.
"Swim lesson"? Who the hell is that shrieking little fartbag? Will she be going away?
Wow - what a dilemma ... having a good-looking stalker.
CNN's requirement for a right wing pundit:
a) nice hair (women)
b) none (men)
Whoa. I went to Simon Fraser University when the whole Rachel Marsden thing went down. She was pure crazy; she accused the swim coach of sexual harassment of some sort, got him suspended and in the news, the whole 9 yards. Eventually, the truth came out, turns out *she* was harassing *him*, etc., etc. The stuff that came out of this case made her look like she needed a good long stay in an asylum. Then, today, I check CnL for my daily read, and have this name jump out at me. I can't believe ANYBODY ANYWHERE is willing to give $0.02 for her opinion. She is as nutty as a fruitcake, and it astounds me that ANY major new / media corporation, even with as poor a reputation as Fox, would give her air time.
I suspect I'm preaching to the choir, but I just have to say this finally. For all of you out in the USA, it's time to take your country back; you've lost it to the corporations and the fringe. It is such a pale shadow of what it what once was; your media is a disgrace, one of your political parties far too often compromises principle for financial backing or political expediency (and the other party only compromises finances for politics or vice versa, there's no ethical decisions made ever). The establishment paints immigrants the way the Nazis painted Jews and blacks and academics, as something to be feared and reviled as the core of society's ills. You should be ashamed of what you have, through complacency, allowed your formerly GREAT nation to become.
PS: I know and like a great many American people. The average American is a nice person who just wants to get along with their neighbours and the world, and it is truly a shame that your government (that YOU elected) and your media (that YOU support via how you spend your dollar and time) has led you to this truly dark and horrible place.
PPS: I also apologize to those who I have offended. I live in a glass house and probably shouldn't be throwing stones.
Sounds like good "Worst Person in the World" material. countdown@msnbc.com
Why is she in the situation room; first of all because she is a looker, the girl is pretty hot. Now, when did all these dimwit brainless glambots escape from fox. They are now free to amuse and provide fodder for fox's eventual demise.
Foxbots, another idiot group, that unlike the homosexual, has a choice.
Cartman Says: So the news networks are putting on an admitted stalker and all around nutcase because she looks good in a skirt?
Correction, conservative new networks.
After all, there is nothing hornier and dirtier than a self-righteous pseudo-christian conservative (so much mental repression).......just imagining this crazy bitch reciprocating Falafel Boy gives me the chills......Caligula would be a piece of cake compared to these two.
A stalker is tolerated for looks. A sad statement about our society. BTW... did you see her website? Looks like it was made as part of an elementary school internet project rather than for some "high-powered" media person. Very telling...
blogenfreude @ 52:
She's a Canadian rightwing nutjob! I first saw her on the CBC documentary series, Sticks & Stones with Bob McKowen. (click the link and watch is on freedocumentaries *dot* org) Bob asked her about her previous stalking charges and she insisted that it wasn't relevant... although she was impugning the character of another public figure based on activities in their private life.
She's pretty hot. Too bad she's a psycho republican bitch.
The Peace of Westphalia?! The Peace of fucking Westphalia?! What God forsaken black hole is spawning these Republican nut jobs?! She wants to hold our democracy accountable to a treaty that was signed by combating royal dictatorships over 300 years ago - before the United States was even born?! According to these wingnuts the Geneva Convention, which we signed, is meaningless but the Peace of Fucking Westphalia is where we look to now for legalities? What the hell is wrong with these people?
Rachel Marsden is an insane, nutbar stalker. She has pleaded guilty to criminal harrassment in the province of British Columbia, and has been investigated many times by police in Canada and the US after complaints of stalking.
As a university student, she framed her swimming coach on a harrassment charge, which resulted in his firing. When he presented convincing evidence that she was in fact the stalker, he was reinstated, a settlement was paid and the president of the university resigned. After Marsden returned to campus (Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, BC), she became obsessed with a criminology professor who went to the police with her notes, emails and messages.
She's gone from one harrassment incident to the next over the past 10 years. It's amazing this woman has any presence in the media.
http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2007/04/05/RMarsden/
Another media-whore nothing that sells books by being crazy and controversial. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
The Situation Room sounds like a magical place.
So why haven't any of these right wingers stepped up to the plate and allowed themselves to be filmed while being waterboarded to prove that it's not torture?
Show it live on Faux News. Hell, I'd be willing to kick in $50 to a fund set up to pay for that. $100 if malkin is the volunteer.
She has no place in Canada, nor in speaking on anyone's behalf, not even her own. You should see the picture on her web site: she looks like a wannabe porn actress. Whacko.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 64:
Indeed. If it's just interrogation then how about they demostrate its effectivness on their own children to find out who stole from the cookie jar?
Robby-D @ 54:
I'm sorry, but I can't agree. I think the average American would do almost anything to preserve their current lifestyle, which pretty much depends on their government doing what they're doing. And for the record - so is the average Canadian.
A female stalker obsessed with swimming?
Is Mardsen the real life inspiration for the movie Swimfan?
lets take turns giving her swim lessons.
Actually, Keith has already featured this flake...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYf15Ln5mms
Because you'd have to be insane to be willing to stand up on live tv and equate torture with a swimming lesson.
If no one knew she was crazy before they sure as hell do now.
Is she just trying to out 'coulter' the competition or what?
Too crazy for FOX. I love it.
Up in Vancouver we shake our heads and wonder how a CNN booker doesn't know how to google.
I think Republicans have found a new Ann Coulter.
I have a different take on this than most. It is almost becoming amusing to watch these shameless propagandists flail about trying to defend the indefensible. I LOVE IT!
They used to have some credibility with the credulous as they lied through their teeth. More and more though, they are forced by whatever ideological demons they pay homage to, to take positions so crazed as to be ludicrous to the extreme. The fact that they have resorted to scraped slime like the morally bankrupt Ms Marsden to express these views is laughable and pathetic.
We have been so surrounded by the trees that it is very hard to see the forest. The wingnuts have controlled every branch of the government and the media for long enough to completely expose themselves as liars, hypocrites, patriots-in-name-only, corrupt and morally bankrupt, fiscally irresponsible, warmongers, heartless, bigoted - it would take all night to finish the list.
Most of us already knew all this - but most of America did not! They do now - and the fun is just about to commence.
I have seen a lot of dismay and despair on these pages - with good reason. The pendulum has been swinging rightward in this country for almost 40 years. It is easy to imagine that it will continue that swing indefinitely. That is over! I am not saying that the danger is past - we may have to fight to restore our democracy. We will have allies when we do, though. Except for the wingnut dead-enders, the country is ready for our message. It is aways darkest before the dawn; the next couple of years are not gonna be easy - and a Hillary victory in 08 sure ain't gonna mean we've won.
After we beat the rethugs, then the DINOs. Would be nice if we could take care of both corporatist groups next year, but I am not optimistic. They are two sides of the same coin though - and their time has passed. Just watch.
She tried to interview me a few times some years ago. Turned her down, obviously. Had no idea that those other events had taken place. Like most of her ilk, she's looking for a career, she's not really interested in passionately supporting an ideology. She's the dictionary definition of 'no press is bad press'.
I swear one day Jack is going to shoot everyone on that set for being dumb asses lol. i mean seriously he was getting pissed.
I'm reaaaaallly sick of glib BS from torture apologists.
WANTED: Republican T.V. Personalities
QUALIFICATIONS: Young and female. Ignorant, hate-filled, psychologically unbalanced pathological liar. Individuals must always be willing to defend the indefensible, and have the ability to always come up with "bigger lies" to help perpetuate the original "lie". A complete hatred of all things good in America, must be equally balanced with a mindless obedience to GOP talking points and GOP presidential proclamations.
SALARY & PERKS: Personalities must be willing to travel to all MSM outlets, for they will be in high demand on all the T.V. stations across the country. A high rate of compensation is negotiable, thanks to the generous donations of people like R. Melon-Scaife.
raker @ 2:
How different is this practice from the old "chinese water torture"? Does the Chinese communist government use it now or in the past?
You can see the stalker in her eyes! I think she masturbates thinking what waterboarding must feel like...
You bring the water and the board, I'll bring the camera...
HAHAHAHAHAHA. I doubt that she has to stalk anyone, given the way she looks. She's way too hot. Sounds like people who can't attack her politics are resorting to attacking her personally.
This is just a video of some regular people being misinformed idiots. If I worked my way to a job where I was on T.V. I would say anything I could to keep people talking and keep my job and fat payroll coming in. Most of you would too, not because its right or fair but because money is important to your lives and keeping them how you like them.
That lady that calls waterboarding swim lessons most likely has no idea what waterboarding is, and if she does she does'nt give a shit because it will never directly effect her life. She is a dits, a pretty one even...now how many females that look like that and are on T.V. actually give a shit about politics or torture.
If you want to talk common sense think about the big picture rather than falling for their stupid entertaining debates. How are we ever going to fix things when all the smart moral people in the country are focused on television and writing about it in forums on the computer. Is this some kind therapy to everyone. Spill your guts, make sure everyone knows you are a good person, that disagrees with the bull shit our government pulls daily.
Yeah, I see there are good people out there and they have a passion to fix things. The things we have to fix are ourselves. Since no one really lives a moral life whom has anything to do with politics our battle to save a good country from going bad is already over.
Shit I'm just tired of the bull shit you know? all the crap on T.V. is staged and does'nt mean anything..at the end of the day everyone goes to bed and starts it all over again.
This country's people have practically given up their rights one by one on a silver platter because we "Have more important things to worry about." lol its only the future of humanity fuck it. Yes the politicians use dirty tactics and yes they keep the general populace stupid, content, misinformed, misguided.
I think you all know the real problem is yourself and that's why we all take medication to get by or tell ourselves lies for as long as we can take them before breaking down one day in your mid to late 30's :P.
The last thing I have to say is I am an American. The history of this country is pretty great, I like being an American and I am thankful for being born here. But you know how they call Las'Vegas the City of sin :) I'm pretty sure in the worlds eyes we are the Country of Sin, and to think they all want to be like us :) I'm no Bible thumper but if I were the "Devil" I'd be in heaven about now lol. Its okay though because the fight, the true fight for survival is unlikely to happen in our life times.
Fuck when shit hits the fan politics wont matter anyways :P just living will be a godsend and the new leaders that rise will have good intentions but most likely they will make the same mistakes we did...its a never ending rise and fall of power lol fucking stupid to me but what ever have fun with it I'm gonna kill myself now. jkjk I will do my time as the slave I am as will most of you. I am not so sure checking out early is the way out of this crap hole anyhow. Peace out homies! :P thanks for the free therapy!
Scott Ritter on line one.
They are illegal combatants under the Geneva Convention. It's legal to execute them out of hand the way we did with Germans infiltrating American lines in GI uniforms during the Battle of the Bulge and Germans in civilian clothes who tried to blow up bridges to disrupt the advance of our armies. Marsden is right. We can do what we want with them, and they're lucky to be alive.
Ken Whyte @ 86:
Marsden is full of crap and by-passes the issue of the violations of our anti-torture statutes and our signing of Geneva conventions. Its illegal to torture by law and that is why the President is weaseling about it and has his nominee for AG doing the same.
Further, the President or AG do not have the legal authority to arbitrarily throw out a treaty like the Geneva convention. That must be done with Congressional approval.
The argument that congress needs to define the specific act as torture is like saying that the drunk driving laws have to be rewritten to specify how many drinks of what type constitute "drunk." One man's three day drunk is another man's getting a light buzz on! Its bull shit!
And CNN finally latches on to what it takes to be Fox, feature liars and ignoramuses - as long as they look good and say what the beer swillin' Boys want to hear.
I figured it was only a matter of time before CNN's management clued in that it isn't ONLY the right wing leaning that has Fox's audience. It's the willingness to lie on behalf of right-wing hate philosophies. Lou Dobbs boldly led them into the pit of "Let's REALLY get Fox" by lying about leprosy cases in the US, with an extra special racist twist. Now we know why CNN did nothing about it.
The fault, of course, lies with anyone willing to watch "Fox With Facts (most of the time)" Let them and Fox divide the 2.5 million dimwits who need news media to tell them what they want to believe and the rest of us can go about finding news worth reading and/or listening to.
She sites the Treaty of Westphalia to make a point for torture, oh man. This crap treaty dates back to the 17th century when torture was still a spectator sport.
I can’t even believe that “we” American’s are even discussing torture. What a sad time this is in our history. “We” have always taken the high ground. Stood head and shoulders above those who would choose to be less. G.W. Bush had taken this country from the “best” to the bottom of the barrel in morals. Remember all those claims of being, “the moral majority”, the Republicans made? Well Republicans, were are your morals now? What excuse do you make for yourself for putting and keeping this Amoral mistake in office?
I'm all for torture. I think these Reich wingers need to be tortured until they confess about the torture they've done. Then they can be properly held indefinitely as enemies of the constitution in Gitmo. See, it isn't really torture if it's done to the reicht people for the reicht reasons. And these terror-mongers are the single largest threat to our constitution, peace and prosperity in our country. Don't take their shit anymore. Demand brutal retribution for the last 7 years of shit.
Oh for crying out loud, she wasn't "dragged out", she was escorted out when she quit just like Paula Zahn and Kiran Chetry were when they left Fox. It's standard procedure in many places of employment, regardless of one's reason for leaving. To exaggerate and misrepresent something like that obviously just serves to weaken any legitimate political arguments against her....of which apparently there are none in this thread....hence the ad hominem personal attacks.
As much as I can't stand Marsden, her personal life and bad breakups have nothing to do with her politics. Can we stick to the issues please, lest we look stupid?
It's like saying "George Bush is wrong on Iraq.....because his car is green."
Oh my Rachel Masden, another wignut psycho!
If water boarding is not torture and is effective then our police departments should check it out!
The "anonymous spy" comment about Rachel Marsden when she quit that dumb Red Eye was made by her Fox News co-host, Greg Gutfeld, who wanted her off the show because she got all the publicity and air time and meanwhile no one paid him any attention. Now that she's gone the ratings suck. Whoops!
Marsden is rumoured to post as "Missy Tee" on a bulletin board for readers of Canadian satirical magazine "Frank".
See for example: this heartwrenching break-up story
The nut-case is on the Situation Room because she speaks for all ignorant, bedwetting Reslugs.
When I first watched the Peter Sellers film "Being There" in 1979, I had no idea that, 25 years later, there would be Chance Gardners all over television "news" programs.
>>From all the reports I’d have to deduce that she’s one crazy gal and I have to ask CNN once again–why was she on The Situation Room?
Geez, ya think it might be her looks?
"We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry"
--Don Henley
"There is no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary."
--Brendan Behan
Sure got a lot of people talking about CNN, didn't it? Now, what is it they did wrong? Sponsors love ratings.
She represents a point of view that is popular in America. If we pussyfoot around terrorists, we'll have another 9-11. Remember 9-11?
Rachel is another Tammy Bruce-Ann Coulter wanna-be..
LOL.. too funnny. Were she separated at birth from coutler.
Troy @ 103:
Bruce and Coulter wish they were as hot as Marsden.
Man, I'd like Rachel up on all fours. She's hot. The crazy right wing lunatics are always freaks in the sack!
This story is hilarious though! Being "escorted" out of Fox News. How crazy do you have to be to get fired from Fox News??? She had to be major craaaaaaaazy!
She didnt get 'fired' from Fox. I work there, I should know. She got the hell out because she couldn't stand her jerk co-host, Greg Gutfeld, who just wanted to talk about porn, bestiality and T&A. It was a battle royale from the git-go because Rachel's a political animal and wanted to do news and politics.
Rachel Marsden was handpicked by Roger Ailes. She's his protege. I heard that his plan is to let her off the leash and get her making the rounds beating up libs on all the networks then steal her back for a plum job. I wonder what would happen if CNN nabs her though? Could backfire.
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Jim @ 95:
I agree!! Go ahead and attack her politics or what she says on the air. But when you start attacking someone's personal life, it just shows that either you can't disagree with her politics or structure a constructive argument. Shame on you, either way.
Oh no... Rachel Marsden has joined us. Please Rachel, get help.
BTW, how`s you dad Claude doing?
You folks think we should just hand terrorists over to social workers and hope that with a little love and some chat about their moms and dads they'll stop flying planes into tallk buildings or blowing themselves up in subways.
And all of us have done wonky things during break-ups. C'mon, surely you don't have to dredge up stuff about problems with old boyfriends in a lame smear campaign.
FoxNewsInsider @ 107:
Ohhh, Rachel. Nice try.
she looks as crazy as she is. . .
It's a man baby !
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