Fed. Criminal Investigation Opened on Calif. Oil Spill
(h/t Heather)
A federal criminal investigation has been opened into a 58,000-gallon spill of heavy bunker fuel into the San Francisco Bay. The spill took place when a container ship slammed into the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge Wednesday. Coast Guard officials acknowledged Friday that they had waited over four hours before notifying the public of the magnitude of the spill. They had previously reported a leak of just 140 gallons.
The oil spill has shut down over a dozen beaches and killed at least 60 birds. Ecologists warn that it could take months to clean up and that it threatens the Bay's diverse ecosystem, including several endangered species.
Environmental organizations like Friends of the Earth and San Francisco Baykeeper have condemned the ecological impact of the spill and the slowness of the official response. They are also calling for a ban on the shipping industry's use of the heavily polluting bunker fuel, which they say is a thousand times worse for the environment than highway diesel.
CNN offers pictures of the spill, of which the impact is horrifying to consider. Beaches all around the Bay Area are closed with big signs telling people not to touch the beach tar that is floating up to shore. Oil has been reported as far as 15 miles away and reports are that this will impact wildlife in the area for years to come.
Patchoulli scented oil?
Damn, I hate things like this. On one pic on MSNBC you see two dolphins swimming through this shit. The oiled birds seldom make it no matter how much you clean them. The stress is just too much.
speechless
I'm not sure I have all the facts now. Criminal Investigation because the story of the current overwhelming the craft was BS? I hadn't heard anything that would be the basis for opening an investigation. What's that all about? Vessel captain? Operating entity?
www.theskinofmyteeth.com
David B.
140 gals...ooopsy...make that 58,000 gallons. Sure haven't heard much about this yet. Who's ship was this? Exxon again?
They could try the "Cleveland Solution", drop a match and set the water on fire.
What is bunker fuel?
In Russia a big tanker broke in half due to storms at sea and it has also had a giant spill. But the stuff that was spilled there is heavier than water so it sunk and covered the ocean floor. Another disaster for marine life.
Bunker fuel is unrefined toxic oil. The worst.
Absolute worst. Best case scenario, the entire system crashes, hopefully culling a gaint chunk of the human population. Once we can't cause any more harm then the natural world can recover.
Humanity is an absurd experiment. Fuck people. It failed.
Never mind, when I read the interview (linked above at democracy now) I found the answer to my question about bunker fuel. Nasty stuff!
So if history serves as a guide (Exxon Valdez anyone?) the city of San Francisco will still be suing for damages in the year 2028.
My husband still has his "remember the Exxon Valdez" t shirt.
Was Bush--or one of his cronies-- piloting this ship?
They--whoever is in charge of the cleanup--are turning away volunteers in droves who want to help. Supposedly it's "a toxic environment and only trained people should be permitted to do it." (I have even read that they have threatened to arrest people who are spontaneously showing up on beaches and trying to help.) However, my daughter, a SF resident, applied to help. She has had extensive hazmat training because she works for an environmental engineering firm. She has actually supervised brownfield cleanup work. But they turned her away also. What's up with that?
Oh, and I heard the coast guard is pushing back volunteer efforts, yeah. Turning them away.
Militarize and dehumanize everything. Fuck them too.
L.A. Confidential @ 8:
Is that why authorities wouldn't let volunteers clean the beaches?
How toxic?? What chemicals are in this spill that are toxic?
From the link above: "It also ends up having a lot of heavy metals like mercury, and these contaminants get into the water and essentially have carcinogenic impacts, as well as developmental and immunological impacts on the critter that are in the estuary."
Some heads should roll because of this. Little heads will probably roll but I'm betting the big well healed ones won't.
I live in the Bay Area and I can tell you the citizens here are very upset and even more pissed that the Federal authorities (meaning the conservative federal government and their incompetent puppet Bush) are not allowing volunteers to help with the cleanup. There are thousands who are willing to put in their time and effort and take the risk involved with cleaning up the beaches. The slowness of the response to the emergency and the management of the aftermath is something that we have grown to expect from this incompetent Bush regime. However not allowing well meaning volunteers to help with the clean-up is ridiculous. Scooping up oil off of the beach is not dangerous if you wear the proper clothing and gloves. It is simple. You scoop the shit up, put it in a plastic bag and put it in a designated area of the beach to be hauled off for disposal.
As far as the asshole that was piloting the ship that hit the Bay Bridge he is lucky that he did not cause structural damage to the bridge itself or worse cause catastrophic failure to the bridge as this incident happened during rush hour. Anyone who has been to the Bay Area knows this span is bumper to bumper going both ways during the commutes. This could have been a human tragedy as well as an environmental one.
Oh... I am willing to put money on what I believe there is MUCH more than 58,000 gallon spilled. I think we are being lied to yet again about the true magnitude of this disaster.
Have any xian death cultists declared that this is SF's punishment from the magic wizard in the clouds yet?
One more quote from that link and Amy Goodman's interview with a person of SF bay keepers.
"SEJAL CHOKSI: Essentially, we’re looking at impacts for decades. Polyaromatic hydrocarbons are some of the most toxic and contaminating pollutants that basically don’t degrade. They remain in the environment for a very long time, especially in an aquatic environment. So we’re essentially looking at a very contaminated environment for just decades to come."
Phyllis Culbert @ 15:
pissed off patricia @ 16:
http://www.liquidminerals.com/fuels.htm
What would have been done with the bunker fuel if the ship hadn't been damaged? Where is it stored when it's removed from the ship?
One day an event like this will set off the "Bloody Revolution" and I think the Republicans know this; that's why they keep such a tight lid of law enforcement on these events.
Hmm, volunteers turned away.
This is a job for-- Blackwater.
By contrast, the Valdez spilled 53 million gallons.
pissed off patricia @ 21:
It's used to make Kraft Miracle Whip.
wasnt this ship from China??
Does anyone else think that China is at war with us but they just havent told us yet??
Our kids are dying from their toys..... they are undervaluing our dollar...... and taking American jobs.... then shoving our products down our own throats.
did you know that they grow food in America..... send it to China to be packaged.... then they send it back to us so it can be recalled
who is protecting the American people??
A symptom of greed; the lack of crew skill, bad weather planning, minimal caution for a sensitive resource and weakened oversight that keeps the corporate bottom line flowing. Somehow I suspect that whatever mitigation measures, damages and fines are rendered, they will be no deterrent to their cost of doing business.
Assurances, fines, fall guys and operating costs seem to do little to change corporate behavior. Having worked as an environmental monitor, I have found that shutting down an operation, even for a short period, affects the daily cash machine by racking up dedicated expenses, limiting distribution, frustrating workers and slowing the profit-per-minute income stream. Not the best answer to the problem, but it forces the accountants to think.
I'm originally from the Bay Area. My family, myself and a friend of my son's just enjoyed a wonderful California vacation in August where we had so much fun swimming on China Beach just outside the Golden Gate that we had to go back a second time. It was like paradise.
How could this happen? And whatever happened to tugboats and harbor pilots?
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 24:
Hah.
My guess would be Velveeta. Or perhaps the oil McDonald's uses for fries.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 18:
Dumbledore?
hadenuf @ 28:
All good guesses. Ya gotta have something to make the Soylent Green palatable.
ysbaddaden @ 29:
Possibly. Dumbledore was a closet gay so he must have been a republic.
I'm surprised FOX hasn't inferred this might be a terrorist act.
Gregg @ 26:
So then we are left with the "Bloody Revolution" I am not advocating this but sometimes I really think that will be the only solution we are left with!! If 10,000 people stormed the beaches and staged sit ins then the MSM would have to report some of the facts -- wouldn't they??
If this goes through that super computer that AT&T set up, I may be gone in a few minutes. Otherwise, I'll keep posting.
typical repug response: find a way to make money on it now and stall real improvement. the worse the disaster, the more money in the 'solution'. let everything die if there's no money in it for me and my family and my friends. a NOLa repeat with Nature as the first victim and the human cost will not matter, neither will any long-term effects.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 31:
So the Battle Hymn of the Republic was about a sissy slap fight?
dumbstruck @ 32:
If this were anywhere but SF they would have.
But when the repigs hear the words San Francisco their tiny brains translate it to "queers".
Give them a day or two and the morons will come up with all kinds of convoluted reasons why this is "proof" that god hates homosexuals.
I don't know why this particular thing bugs me so much, but the day after this happened, the SF Chronicle had a photo of the ship, and the cutesy headline "Crunch!" This has stuck in my craw since that day.
After the next big earthquake, will the headline be "Ooh! Shakey, Shakey!"?
dumbstruck @ 32:
If it was a Chinese ship that crashed, it couldn't have been terrorism. Chinese people aren't terrorists. Only Arabs are labelled terrorists.
exxon has yet to pay the valdez fine
it's only about 20 years ago
Phyllis Culbert @ 33:
A few weeks ago at least 10,000 people in each of 11 major cities (ie: 100,000 to 150,000 total) hit the streets to protest the war. Not a single peep about it in the MSM. It's going to take a lot more than 10,000 to make them notice... if at all.
Roger from Ohio @ 25:
the boat is South Korean (Cosco Busan), owned by a South Korean shipping company - well an independent pseudo-subsidiary of a "global" company (Cosco), and contracted to ship goods from a South Korean holding company (Hanjin).
*BUT*... the boat contained a lot of goods manufactured in China, and a lot of the workers on the boat were Chinese.
the crew, as I understand it, were English-speaking Europeans or English-speaking Koreans educated in American universities.
you know, its a good point.
someone more inclined to conspiracy theories would have to wonder if its deliberate.
someone more inclined to bigotry would have to wonder if Asians make great mathematicians but lousy laborers.
someone more inclined to math would have to notice the spike.
someone more inclined to economics would look at this and start to wonder about Returns on Investment and Total Costs of Ownership.
me? I'm inclined toward security, and I'm pissed these problems are getting as out of control as they are.
hadenuf @ 23:
The Valdez spilled 11 million gallons; it was carrying 53 million gallons. Nevertheless, it was pretty horrendous.
Bunker fuel is the lowest grade of fuel from a refinery. It is what powers ships. They have enormous engines that can create enough compression to ignite the stuff. It is pretty bad stuff as far as greenhouse gasses (and just plain toxic emissions) go. It is also about the worst fuel to spill because it is heavy; it sinks to the bottom and will come back for years. There is really not much you can do except keep cleaning it up.
Accidents like this will happen (it was in heavy fog) although hitting a bridge takes some doing with modern electronics. We will know more about what happened in awhile. A lot of it has to do with foreign crews; the US shipping industry is pretty much nonexistent now. There was a US pilot onboard, but how well he could communicate with the Chinese may be a question. The crews are supposed to be able to communicate in English -- but I have heard them calling on the VHF (ship radio) and some are practically incomprehensible.
The basic point is that this is going to happen -- every time you see large ships going by, know that it means that some of them will end up ashore at some point. Storms, mechanical failure, and human error cannot be wished away. That is why we need to actually fund rapid response crews and rescue tugs. (Big fight where I live.)
I'm so sorry that this happened, the San Francisco bay has some beautiful areas. This will kill a lot of sealife.
Dang, there sure are a lot of people in this thread doing everything humanly possible to avoid reading the articles. The left is already stereotyped as stoners, try not to exacerbate it, okay?
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 31:
Dumbledore was a good guy. Like Barney Frank, he keeps his personal life private.
FWIW: COSCO (China Ocean Shipping CO) is owned by the Chinese government. There was a big fight in California over plans to open a container terminal at the site of an old Naval base.
Gregg @ 26:
check the history of the captain/pilot. I heard on NPR that it is not good. History of speeding!
Not to excuse the pilot -- pilots are supposed to be the best of the best and should not hit a bridge. However, for the media to go after him for speeding (I assume they mean with the ship) is very ironic. There are good reasons to try to keep the speed of container ships down in harbor (wakes cause environmental damage) but the irony is that the only reason to speed is to keep control of the ship. Ships turn by deflecting water from the prop via the rudder, and if you don't have enough speed you don't get much turning thrust.
Driving a 300 foot ship is not like driving a minivan. It takes a lot of time to stop, and a lot of time to turn. Bridges are usually where the landmasses are closest together so the current is usually pretty strong there. Pilots have to walk in cold to a ship that they have never seen before and instruct a crew and captain who are strangers to them (and often times each other.) It isn't easy, and the mistakes that were made are not like some guy getting drunk and hitting a bridge on I-5.
Every gallon of gasoline burned creates 28 pounds of carbon dioxide
"black gold"-Dick Cheney
Typical of the "Friends of the Earth" and the "San Francisco Baykeeper" to advocate for a ban on fuel usage.
I think this spill is very unfortunate, but it's absolutely crazy to conclude that 60 birds are more important that hundreds if not millions of PEOPLE.
People should be the ultimate standard of value here, and if the spill did not harm any human, then there is no reason to get upset. If the spill caused harm to the property of humans, like for instance if the spill caused the beachfront homes of San Francisco residents to be polluted, or if someone got sick from the spill by swimming in the water, then that company should get the pants sued off them. I mean take every single nickel they had left.
But for 60 birds? That's incredibly destructive to human well-being, to stop using the fuel ALTOGETHER. That would harm a lot more important living things than 60 birds.
The San Francisco Bay incident was unfortunate but lets not lose historical perspective. In 1989, the Exxon Valdez spilled 11 million gallons of crude oil into Prince William Sound, Alaska. The hysterical doomsayers declared it a disaster of irreparable proportions. Despite the dire predictions, the Alsakan Blighe Reef remains as pristine today as it was at the prehistoric Dawn of Man. Each year, millions of gallons of crude oil spill into the oceans as a result of naturally occurring volcanic erupts from the ocean floor. Oil is an organic substance. Mother Nature will clean the 58,000-gallon oil spill just as she has always done since the earth was born.
Well that's a nice way to perceive the damage. I say we all go out and buy 5 gallons of gasoline, drive to your nearest beach and/or lake and dump away. Let mother nature take care of it. Historical perspective on this subject matter only exists because we routinely dump this shit into the ocean by accident.
Phyllis Culbert @ 15:
I thought heavy oil was a known carcinogen on the skin. Also lighter chemicals evaporating from crude are toxic when inhaled, though this sounds like just the heavy stuff. Still, it sounds like a lame excuse for not letting volunteers help clean up.
Gee, it's almost like we should get off of imported oil NOW or something.... if only we'd been warned before...
And people say nuclear power in this country is dangerous! It wouldn't be a drop in the bucket compared to the way oil has hurt us over the decades.
Say what? I mean, I'd be with you if you pointed out that oil is a natural process (just like natural "nuclear generators" have formed in the past) and probably won't kill all life on earth, but...
Volcanos are made of oil? Hrmm.
She later added "Also, in my view, bad things are bad."
She then drooled on herself continuously for three hours and ate a baby.
mrogi says (apparently reading off of an Exxon brochure):
I also think you sell FAR short the amount of money and manpower dumped into the clean up there.
Also, you are wrong, according to even Bush's own government (NOAA Response and Restoration):
Roger from Ohio @ 25:
I agree completely. China doesn't need to bomb us....they are killing us, our kids and our pets with their contaminated cheap goods, which we literally buy by the boat-loads. Now it turns out they can't drive the boats either.
China may have a booming economy....but their country is a polluted pig sty. Talk about fouling your own bed. Now they are trying to foul ours.
Please dont run off half cocked in a panic based on the declarations of environmental alarmists. Oceanic volcanoes create fissures in the ocean floor. Crude oil and natural gas eventually seeps naturally out of those fissures in the ocean seabed and eroding sedimentary rock. Like springs that ooze oil and gas instead of water, oil seeps account for 46 per cent of the oil in the world's oceans. An average of 2,500 gallons of crude oil is released naturally from the ocean bottom every day at Coal Oil Point along the California Coast near Santa Barbara. Mother Nature is well equipped to handle a 58,000 gallon oil spill. Just calm da fuck down.
http://www.noaa.gov/
I saw this on the front page...DiFi is all hot and bothered now......to late...
mrogi @ 58:
hey sfb's...ever been down into the channel...ever counted the derricks out there....you probably don't even remember the spill of 69......stfu..you know nothing about this.
hey mrogi....how do you feel about the runoff from the tijuana sloughs.....every time it rains.
jr @ 49:
Considering that a gallon of gas weights just over 6 pounds, I really don't see how that is even physically possible. Maybe 28 pounds of CO2 per barrel, or 2.8 pounds of CO2 per gallon... but not 28lbs/gal.
mrogi @ 58:
You undermine your own points by lying that the area effected by Exxon Valdez is "as pristine today as it was at the prehistoric Dawn of Man". Which is bullshit as I showed.
I am glad that you clarified your statement that seemed to imply crude oil bubbles up from all volcanoes though. Because I don't think anyone was going to go with that either. Yet YOU are the one calling names... funny that.
You know, asteroid impacts are a natural event too. And life has very obviously recovered from it. However, I would regard a major asteroid impact in my lifetime a pretty big damn deal.
More to the point, in areas already severely impacted by the presence of man, there really is NO reserve for many species. The are already "living on the limit" from our other pollutions and overcrowding. You sound like someone that just realized that oil and tar are natural products. Yeah, no shit. The adults in the room already know this. But that hardly justifies spreading it around all over our coastal ecosystems. Man-made spills target the areas and ecosystems that we most wish to preserve.
Yes, this is a bad thing. The oil industries are STILL NOT ACTING RESPONSIBLY. And we DO have an URGENT duty to wean off of oil as soon as we possibly can. That isn't alarmist, it's fucking obvious.
Blue Buddha @ 62:
Well I don't know the numbers...
But petroleum products are usually Carbon and Hydrogen. Hydrogen is the lightest molecule, of course. Carbon is much heavier. Oxygen is heavier still.
So when you combust petroleum products (a vast oversimplification here), you combine that Carbon atom with TWO atmospheric Oxygen atoms. So the weight may increase faster that you would assume because the majority of emissions by weight comes from the atmosphere, not the oil.
If swarmofkillermonkeys actually believes in the theological doctrine of Anthropogenic Global Warming; I will ban myself from this forum forever.
[Really? swarmofkillermonkeys, Where are you? We need you NOW! Sitemonitor]
it's just a theory, but the timing of the oil spill less than 24 hours after house resolution 799 was introduced to impeach dick cheney is highly suspicious.
Did dick and his crooked oil cronies create this news story in the San Francisco bay knowing full well this was the heartland of impeachment central?
Knowing these traitorous war criminals, I would put nothing beyond them propelling their own self interest.
If this is eventually proven to be linked to the office of the veep, can we impeach him for ecological terrorism to cover up bad news about his possible impeachment? Just wondering.
I mean, the white house did it once before, when the fake intel niger yellowcake uranium story was debunked by Joe Wilson by outing deliberately a CIA Covert Operation and the Identity of a Covert Operative Valerie Plame.
'They are capable of doing so much good, and yet they decide on evil instead, again.'
George (~Bush) @ 48:
I agree that in all the finger-pointing, the captain was a limited factor, but if these ships are difficult to operate and the consequences of failure are significant, then perhaps the captain and the crew should be familiar with each other and the ship, but then that would not be economically practical, not as practical as cleaning up a spill and all the toxins for years to come, yet another corporate externality. If the consequences for taking such risks were greater, people would find a way to improve the risk factor, including seizure of assets and blacklisting for violators, safer fuels, double hulls, smaller vessels for tighter places, restrictions when currents and weather are unfavorable, bumpers for structures, etc, etc...
How quickly we forget. The House Republicans voted for a Dick Cheney impeachment vote. It was the cowardly Dems who voted to banish the impeachment resolution to die a quiet ignominious death in Judiciary Committee. Try a different conspiracy theory.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 66:
We watched the news reports showing the precise GPS tracking of the ship in and around the bay leading up to and beyond the accident. The ship deliberately headed for the bridge pylon, never even slowing down to avoid it, this is willful destruction and those responsible will be held accountable.
mrogi @ 65:
Why? Afraid of discussion or a regular citizen dissenting to your opinions? How fragile of you... I hardly represent this site or it's owners.
Climate change is real. There are dozens of long term climate cycles. Some of which we still don't even understand, and certainly we don't quite understand the interaction of these cycles.
Whether mankind truly qualifies as a separate factor, or merely holding a "thumb down on one side of the scale" in an already known cycle is completely academic. I could care less. (Although I am particularly interested in the effects of freshwater melt on the North Atlantic thermal currents which may result in sudden local climate shift as popularized by William H. Calvin, whether its is caused in whole or party by humans is irrelevant.)
Fine and convincing arguments can be made for the reduction in the use of fossil fuels for both developed and developing countries anyway. From sustainability (all), stable pricing (oil, gas), conflict avoidance (oil, gas), heavy metal pollution (coal), radiation dispersal (coal), food reduction (biofuels), environmental spills (oil, gas), environmental contamination from fracking and drilling (oil, gas), carcinogenic on contact (oil, coal), and so on and so on.
I'll leave you to argue whether at some point, some amount of change is anthropogenic. In the mean time, the rest of us will notice that devastating climate shifts have occurred in as little as 10 years without human intervention. Leaning how, why, and what may prevent such shifts in the future may come in hand for all of us (even your sorry hide, not that you'd appreciate it).
Calvin's website is HIGHLY recommended, actually. He got interested in climate change only because he was studying the evolution of the human brain, and wondered if changes in climate could help explain our neurological development (he's a neurologist among other things, and a character -- overlook the Comic Sans). See? Not all people interested in the systems of this planet are "scary earth worshipping hippies". It's OK to come out and engage your brain on the climate, with such knee jerk reactions.
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 64:
Even if we assume that gasoline is pure carbon (which it isn't, because then it would just be charcoal or graphite), and given the atomic mass is ~6 per atom, we can do a 1:1 ratio of atoms to weight per gallon, since gas is 6 lbs per gallon. When we add the oxygen, which has an atomic mass of 8, it would tack on another 16 lbs. (two for every one of carbon).
6 + 16 = 22 < 28... still doesn't add up.
"without" such reactions, obviously.
Blue Buddha @ 71:
your answers are here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Every+gallon+of+gasoline+burned+cre...
Coast Guard Control Center Command Post Tracks Ships Movements via GPS
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1287024904/bclid1301088792...
Blue Buddha @ 71:
(shrug) I won't argue with that. I just though that atmospheric gasses contributing to the weight of emissions is often overlooked. But since you seem into it, you could try to run the numbers for cetane (a major component of diesel):
CH3(CH2)14CH3
Assuming that gets turned into H2O, CO, CO2... ( and that diesel ways about 7 pounds per gallon) you might get a reasonable estimate...
Of course it is way more complicated than that as diesel contains many compounds, can be between 6.8 and 7.2 pounds per gallon and looks more like:
CxHy(S2) + (O2 + N2) => CO2 + H2O + (O2 + N2) + { NOx + HC + OOC + C + CO + SOx }
... honestly, I'm just to lazy to figure it myself. And I don't care about the number, personally... good luck though!
Voices of reason in the storm of cataclysmic global warming hysteria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Ball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer
mrogi @ 76:
M'okay.... and we should trust random links to random people that we've never heard of, why? Is this somehow a lame attempt at a response to my post above?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Hannity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
So what, what does that prove?
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 77:
So what, what does that prove?
Two things are proved:
1) Folks interested in learning will examine the credentials of each person linked; then evaluate the substance and validity of their ideas and opinions.
2) It also proves folks like you will automatically dismiss all viewpoints that challenge yours.
mrogi @ 78:
Interesting. I haven't dismissed anything. In fact, you refuse to engage on you're own viewpoints, so I can hardly dismiss them. You COULD articulate why you think I'm wrong, or where I err.
But that fact that you ONLY link to wikipedia instead (after your bluster and condemnation of me), is telling.
Dianne Feinstein is thanking God for sending this disaster and taking the spotlight off her miserable record.
She must be given no slack.
EH @ 44:
I'd rather be a moderately ignorant, chilled-out stoner than a woefully ignorant, alcoholic, wife-beating closet homosexual.
I mean... I'm just sayin'...
*shrug*
RickinSF @ 80:
You say that... until you read tomorrow:
"Today Feinstein looks to have Democratic support in her proposal granting blanket immunity to all those involved in the SF oil spill..."
To me, this photo tells you everything you need to know about her.
burnt @ 81:
Hopefully it isn't only a choice between the two! :P
I'm kidding, but too many people we need to be involved and active self medicate. Course I believe in freedom, so knock yourself out I suppose...
Ship may have strayed from course before spill, records show
San Francisco Chronicle - 1 hour ago
At 8:30 am Wednesday, Capt. John J. Cota, the bar pilot in charge of navigating the container ship Cosco Busan, radioed the Coast Guard vessel traffic service on Yerba Buena Island with an urgent message.
Video: Crew From Ship In Oil Spill Could Face Charges kcratv
CNN Student News Transcript: November 13, 2007 CNN
USA Today - San Jose Mercury News - Nuevo Mundo - The Associated Press
all 2,389 news articles »
http://news.google.com/nwshp?sourceid=navclient&ncl=1123286386&hl=en&top...
mrogi @ 65:
Anyone who confuses theological precepts with scientific concepts, obviously understands neither.
We pee in our wine.
I get so angry over this, we've ruined my home. My mother is rolling in her grave over this...
To all those who hold responsibility.. Get those fingers greased up... It's time to start pointing.... Fucking asswhipes....JD
69 FreedomOfInformationAct Says: FreedomOfInformationAct @ 66:
it’s just a theory, but the timing of the oil spill less than 24 hours after house resolution 799 was introduced to impeach dick cheney is highly suspicious.
Did dick and his crooked oil cronies create this news story in the San Francisco bay knowing full well this was the heartland of impeachment central?
Knowing these traitorous war criminals, I would put nothing beyond them propelling their own self interest.
If this is eventually proven to be linked to the office of the veep, can we impeach him for ecological terrorism to cover up bad news about his possible impeachment? Just wondering.
I mean, the white house did it once before, when the fake intel niger yellowcake uranium story was debunked by Joe Wilson by outing deliberately a CIA Covert Operation and the Identity of a Covert Operative Valerie Plame.
‘They are capable of doing so much good, and yet they decide on evil instead, again.’
We watched the news reports showing the precise GPS tracking of the ship in and around the bay leading up to and beyond the accident. The ship deliberately headed for the bridge pylon, never even slowing down to avoid it, this is willful destruction and those responsible will be held accountable.
Path of the Cosco Busan Hitting the Bay Bridge
The animation below shows the Cosco Busan as it leaves the Port of Oakland on November 7, 2007, and hits the Bay Bridge at 8:30 am on its way to the Golden Gate.
http://www.boatingsf.com/busan.php
KCBS Expanded Coverage: Bay Oil Spill
Posted: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 11:50AM
SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS/AP) - While investigators are trying to determine if a harbor pilot under investigation in last week's collision between a ship and the Bay Bridge downplayed the damage to the ship, the pilot's attorney says his client didn't immediately realize the severity of the crash.
Capt. John Cota was helming the cargo ship when it struck a bridge support last week, opening a 90-foot gash in the hull that dumped 58,000 gallons into the bay, fouling miles of coastline and killing dozens of shorebirds. Investigators say Cota radioed authorities to report the cargo vessel had “touched'' the bridge last week.
Authorities want to know if that initial report may have caused a delay in getting accurate information out to the public.
http://www.kcbs.com/pages/1191976.php?
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