Lou Dobbs for president?
By Steve Benen Friday Nov 16, 2007 7:10am
Last year, Michael Crowley and Marshall Wittmann, among others, suggested CNN’s resident bully Lou Dobbs could mount a credible presidential campaign.
This week, the WSJ’s John Fund got the rumor mill started again.
Lou Dobbs for President? Don’t laugh. After months of telling reporters that he “absolutely” would not consider leaving his highly-rated CNN show in which he crusades against free trade and illegal immigration, Mr. Dobbs posted a commentary on his Web site last week predicting a surprise new presidential candidate in 2008. The mystery candidate is an “independent populist . . . who understands the genius of this country lies in the hearts and minds of its people and not in the prerogatives and power of its elites.”
Friends of Mr. Dobbs say he is seriously contemplating a race for the first time, although it’s still unlikely. They spin a scenario under which the acerbic commentator would parachute into the race if Michael Bloomberg, the New York billionaire and favorite of East Coast elites, enters the field as an independent. With Hillary Clinton continuing to score badly in polls in the categories of honesty and integrity, and with the public’s many doubts about Rudy Giuliani and other GOP contenders, Mr. Bloomberg may well see an opportunity to roil the political waters by entering the race late. If so, Mr. Dobbs then sees a niche for a “fourth-party” candidate who could paint the three other contenders as completely out of touch.
My friend Melissa McEwan, noting this bizarre scenario, added, “That’s the craziest sh*t I’ve ever heard.”
Steve M., meanwhile, suggests this seems to have “publicity stunt” written all over it.
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If Kucinich didn't get the nomination for President or even Ron Paul, both whom I would vote for, Lou Dobbs would get my vote. I refuse to vote for more of the same. I'd bet that there are enough who are tired of the same old BS that we have had for the past administrations that he would do well. At least we would have someone who was intelligent enough to speak a coherent sentence and who would take this country in a new direction!
sounds to me more like a veiled reference to you know who on the republican side
Good, let him run as an independent - he'll split the GOP.
I don't really even know what Dobbs is all about, but I'd vote for the district manager of my local McDonalds at this point.
Hell, he's got my vote.
If Congressman Tancredo hasn't gotten traction as the "angry white man" for the Republicans, what makes Mr. Dobbs think he is going to do any better? His rhetoric is right up there with Congressman Tancredo and in fact, he sounds a lot like Pat Buchanon.
Sorry Mr. Dobbs, even if you were the last person on earth eligible to be President, I wouldn't vote for you!
Lou Dobbs answers to debate questions....THAT'S RIDICULOUS.....THAT'S IDIOTIC....THAT'S NONSENSE......WHAT ARE THEY DOING.......I'M SUPERMAN, WATCH ME FLY.....
another asshole who thinks he is all important......
he's psychotic about immigration.And he's against nafta,what else does he stand for?I used to watch his show...but he went off the deep end. He really goes off on these rants and tirades...like a frickin lunatic......that guy is scary.
No more angry white males!!! We need angry brown males instead.
Lou Dobbs is an arrogant, pompous ass who is filled over the top with himself. He rants on week after week about hot issues as if his viewpoint is the only one that is right, and he surrounds himself with sycophants who agree with virtually everything he says. He says he'll debate anyone, but then never lets them get a word in. He may be right on some issues, but is so wrong on so many others that he wouldn't get my vote, and would likely get no more votes in a presidential election than 50% of the 600,000 or so that watch him on CNN.
Nope, still Dr. Paul.
LET'S SEE now, we've just had an idiot and a crook in the oval office, why not an arrogant racist some of batch.
Yeah, great...he'll protect us from Mexicans...fuckin' fantastic! Where do I sign up?
Lou Dobbs is so full of himself and his one track mind that he would never make a good leader...hell, he isn't even a very good news anchor (or whatever you would call his position) his only concern is imigration, like that's our biggest issue and if he had a brain (or was intelectiualy honest with his viewers) he would know the ONLY solution to the "illeagal" imigration problem is to fine the companies that higher "illeagal" workers and I don't mean the pidley little fines they pay now...but fine them like each employee violation was one of Janet Jacksons boobs during a Superbowl! that would be more like it you have 15 "illeagal" workers you are fined 7 million 500 thousand dollars...if you have 100 "illeagal" workers you are fined $50,000,000. And that would put an end to all of this nonsense...but the politicians (on both side) are just happy keeping these bullshit issues alive to muddle the debate. We, as Americans, really need to clean house regarding our elected leaders.
Dobbs won't run. He makes too much $$$ in a no pressure job where he can spout off unchallenged to his minions.
Mike Bloomberg will run for POTUS. Do you folks know that Bloomberg rides the subway to work?
But how's it gonna' look when it comes out he tried to DEPORT HIS OWN MEXICAN-AMERICAN WIFE?
Dobbs for president???
Thank you for the best laugh since Pat Paulson ran.
Good Lord no way!!! Why would America elect such a pompous, self-indulgent racist as Dobbs. You can sum up his program without watching it- It's the damn illegals fault!! Everything is because of illegal immigrants!......that is Lou Dobbs in a nutshell
I hope he runs and goes all out and gets on the ballot in all 50..
He and his VP candidate Tancredo can drive around the country and blab all they want to. Anything to make him have to quit CNN.
wvblueguy @ 10:
and this is different from all the other candidates?
Are there any other 3rd party candidates? The media is only giving me a choice between Rudy and Hillary. Gore/Kucinich?
Hillary wears the pants and Rudy wears the dress, this is so confusing!
it'd be so cool if he won, because then he could build fences between here and everywhere, and that would create jobs, and keep out immigrants, and the US of A would be saved!
Personally I think Bullwinkle moose would be the perfect replacement for the chimp.
He's better looking, twice as smart and completely honest.
great, all we need is another image from the idiot box
If true, then political aspiration is really the only place that unsatisfied egotism can go. You can only eat so much caviar & have your ass kissed by so many interns in a day. The problem with the Dobbs type (and the GWB types, too) is that they now never, ever expose themselves to people who either disagree with them or can hurt them. They live in a rarified bubble that reinforces their own worst traits. In their own minds this means that they must be loved by others as much as they love themselves. Pride goeth before the fall.
Dobbs is against illegal immigration, why don't you left wing hacks get that fact straight. Or are you so afraid of losing the brown skin vote that you have suckle the teet of every illegal farmworker, meat plant worker, sheetrocker,etc. in the country.
I'm EXTREMELY surprised by some of the responses on here.
Dobbs is a psycho and belongs either in a mental institution or somewhere in the Midwest milking goats on a farm. No offense to farmers, of course.
He represents the shallow, unsophisticated, knuckle draggers. His racist, bigoted venom and rabid responses on his TV show should be enough to prevent him from having the support of any reasonable, educated person.
Whitey @ 26:
There's a difference between being against illegal immigration and between spreading lies and rumors against other human beings, whether they are legally in the country or not. Case in point; Dobbs thinks that illegal immigrants are bringing in with them leprosy into the U.S.. That was disproved by many other journalists and was shown to be inaccurate based on government statistics. Why do you support such a racist hack is the real question?
John Fund driven stories about Lou Dobbs now? Mark this as a new low.
uncle wally @ 22:
Create more jobs? Do you mean like when Texas recently used illegal immigrants from Mexico to build part of the fence because they wanted a "good deal" on labor?
What is wrong with you people? Why has it become so fashionable for partisans to use derisive and dismissive language to describe those with opposing viewpoints? Is Lou Dobbs a "bully" in your opinion because he uses his status to attempt to hold politicians and immigration activists accountable for actions detrimental to our standard of living? Or is it because you think his dedication to investigating and exposing the charlatans responsible for these actions is somehow racist in nature? If the latter is the case, you are purposefully choosing to ignore the true motivation behind the man's agenda and thereby knowingly constructing a straw man for uniformed readers to attack. Simply put, your actions betray your lack of integrity.
Remember "crazy" Ross Perot? He was dead right about NAFTA fifteen years ago. The jobs that guaranteed union wages to relatively unskilled laborers, ensuring their ability to meet mortgage payments and auto loans and send kids to college - as sole providers, I might add - have all but disappeared. Meanwhile, the average Mexican worker is making less than they were before the onslaught of free trade agreements as they're being forced into competition with prison labor from China. Now, the architects of "free trade" are conspiring against us once again, opening the floodgates into America so that the American taxpayer has to bear the burden of supporting millions of destitute immigrants through subsidized healthcare, education and welfare. Who benefits? Corporations and corrupt politicians. Period.
So pointing out that illegals coming across the border are bringing third world diseases with them is being racist? Also pointing out our trade deficencies with China is racism? Foreign countries buying our toll road system in America is racist? Come on, wake up and see what's going on around you. Please point out all his "racist comments and storylines" because I watch his show nightly and can't seem to see the racist angle. Maybe because I'm a racist? I think not, I would just like this government that WE the people elect to actually work for ME the American citizen and not worry about whether or not they're gonna offend a group of people and possibly lose their votes in the next election. Gimme a fackin' break.
Dobbs has been sold, for profit, the same bridge that Stephen Colbert 'bought', long ago now, for fun.
Let Dodds mak an ass of himself. We could all use the amusement.
Whitey @ 32:
I don't have time to answer the rest of your post, but I'll break this point down for you since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
Lou Dobbs claims that the 7000 cases of leprosy in the country were brought in by illegal immigrants in the last 3 years. He's wrong!!! The U.S. Dept. of Health states that there have been 7000 cases since 1986.
When that error was brought to his attention he claimed that he did the research and stands by it. This is just one point out of the thousands of lies he spews about illegal immigrants trying to scare the American public and vilify these folks. That's racism. Call it overt, call it covert, it's still racism.
Why can't America get past the vilification of immigrants is beyond me. In the early 1900s, the Irish and Italian were the scapegoats. Now it's Mexicans and Muslims.
justabill @ 18:
Hear, hear...I too would just love to see this bigoted individual leave the CNN(Crappy
Nothing News) channel and be replaced. He is "full of himself".
I think he should run. That way, he would have to give up his CNN show. After he loses, I and like minded people can send him a daily e-mail reminding him he has repudiated by the American people.
I can comprehend reading just fine. But since you seem to be hung up on saving the illegals, which you contradict in your comment. You go from pointing to illegals then to legal immigration. Why don't you spend the time and answer my whole post or are you afraid to say that he's correct on those points. You seem to be so worried about illegals staying in this country, mkes me wonder, are you afraid of losing your gardener or house cleaner?
we desparately need more than 2 parties... what we have now is not working...
we need a radical change in our constitution to enable a british style parliamentary system...
it would be great to see 6 or more viable parties...
Doggiebobo @ 35:
As an after thought..perhaps he could take Wolfie B. along w/him as his running mate and with both leaving CNN, there would be a HUGE, BIG, substantial improvement.
Ruthless People @ 21:
That just about sums up the entire campaign thus far.
ROFLMAO!
Dobbs/Chavez 2008!
-GSD
Whitey @ 32:
It is really tough to argue about whether or not statements are racist with a guy named "Whitey".
-GSD
It is really tough to argue about whether or not statements are racist with a guy named "Whitey".
-GSD
What a hoot; thanks for giving me a Sat. morning chuckle
Boy that's original thinking there. Same could be said for why am I arguing with a guy named Cheney.
Whitey @ 5:
somehow, that is fitting :lol:
Whitey @ 44:
Actualy xenophobes like you aren't creative thinkers but thanks for the comment anyway.
Human @ 36:
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Whitey @ 37:
My point about the Irish and Italian was to show that America is inherently xenophobic and that the "illegal" part of "illegal immigration" is just a guise, a ruse, a way for many to conceal their bigotry. Even if the 12 million illegal immigrants in this country were to come here legally, people would still be whining about "Mexicans takin' ur jaahbs".
As for your last comment, the answer is no. I mow my own lawn and pick up my own leafs.
LOL... president of WHAT? Gentleman's Quarterly? I guess it's true... being in front of a camera all the time DOES give one a BIG EGO!
lou talks a good game, but his lunch is delivered by a mexican. and he tips the guy!
this pompous goofball has been riding the right wing talk radio xenophobe anti immigration bandwagon of talking points and one-liners since a couple of months after the GOP got it going to distract from the designed Katrina tragedy and help put in Orwellian ID laws to enhance vote theft by republicans and now he wants to ride it to the white house. what a patriot- how many times did he have those "minutemen" on? with a name like that you'd think they ought to be protesting against king bush instead of threatening women and children crossing deserts for a job. he's probably getting a lot of push from desperate GOPers, another bozo who thinks all our problems can be solved with monopolized market forces.
One more thing:
I believe we do need some kind of immigration reform. The immigration services are so backed up it would take them 30 years to process these 12 million "illegal immigrants". People don't have that kind of time and they sure as heck don't have the luxury to wait when they're starving because of NAFTA and other trade agreements that put Mexico at a disadvantage. Also, just because there's a law out there doesn't mean that it's a JUST law. 50 years ago anyone without a communicable disease could come in. Now, they have to jump through hoops.
I will open by stating that I watch Lou Dobbs every night on CNN. I watch CNN most of the time anyway. Lou has a lot of good points and I think in some he has been mischaracterized. He always talks about illegal immigration, not immigration in general but many don't always recount his stories that way. I think he is right in saying that he is furious about your borders being unsecured 6 years after 9/11, or your ports being unsecured 6 years after 9/11. He is mad about your trade imbalance and so many in the middle class losing their jobs to outsourcing or being on the throws of losing their homes in the mortgage mess. He is one strong defender of Compion and Ramos your two border guards languishing in jail for 12 years for doing their job while seeing Libby get a pardon and the White House stonewalling on the guard issue. But even I have noticed that after he came back from his tonsillectomy and a week or two off, he is one changed person. I joked to my husband whether he was affected by the anesthetic he received. His attacks on Spitzer were endless and to me personally over the top, especially when 8 other states already give illegals driver's licences. Maybe it his new book out that has prompted this necessity for change. I don't know but it is certainly interesting lately to hear who he is going to rage about each night like he has never done before. But then why should he be classified in the eyes of some as any worse of a person than what I hear spewing forth from some of the conservative radio and talk show TV hosts I see? At least what Lou says is mainly true factually, not like the innuendoes and garbage I hear when I watch Fox for my evening laugh.
considering how much indignation edwards haircut cost raised i wonder how long dobbs will last when the GOP blowhards see dobb's makup bill.
again: and people thought Colbert was making a mockery of the process?
Henry V to the Dauphin's Ambassador: Yea, strike the Dauphin blind to look on us.
And tell the pleasant prince this mock of his
Hath turn'd his balls to gun-stones; and his soul
Shall stand sore charged for the wasteful vengeance
That shall fly with them: for many a thousand widows
Shall this his mock mock out of their dear husbands;
Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down;
And some are yet ungotten and unborn
That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin's scorn. - Henry V, Act 1 scii
And what is Lou Dobbs but an affection'd ass?
To Cheney@48, my father is a Polish immigrant that came over in the early 50's with his parents. They, unlike mexican immigrants, learned the language and became AMERICAN citizens. They never expected the gov't to put up billboards in Polish or require the drivers tests to be in Polish and so on. Plus they never flew the American flag upside down or below the Polish flag.
Whitey @ 56:
mexicans learn english just like all other immigrants.
next point.
CoIntelPro @ 57:
That's a blod face lie and you know it.......next point
isn't it funny how much of what Lou says is the truth, some is vitriol, but he makes a point that no one is willing to address that is going to be a major factor if this country is to have a future. The people in the so called MC, want secure homes and health care, and jobs that mean something. We are helping our friends in a union prevail against a machine that is only being forced to negotiate with writers because they have a union.
do those of us that distrust our government as they destroy every piece of our infrastructure that we rely on, have any better suggestions?
Funny thing this game everyone plays about their desires. Lou has a few of them that resonate with each of us, and several more that are most unattractive. Even funnier, the basics that he espouses are actually rather important in the day to day lives, and a severe impact on what your country will become in the years to come.
we don't want immigrant camps and internment and blacklisting and further class warfare. If those of us that have to work for a living didn't continue to aspire to putting the grab on every bit of free cash there is, we might see how repulsive the goals of becoming like britney and bush and cheney really are. But as long as we believe we are going to join them, the folks with the money will always find a way to shut everyone else out as they dangle the carrot in front of the greedy.
time to eliminate their control over our lives and our country. If they get their way, we will end up paying more than we do now just to live here and serve them.
when you can't drive to work it may be too late. You will be looking for firewood to heat your home as another family member goes to get food in the breadline, it may be too late. If you find you have absolutely no representation in your government, it may be too late.
remember that taxation without representation is tyranny. It was enough before. Unless a whole lot of sheep smarten up, the only walk will be to the slaughterhouse. The nazi's offered perks as they fed people to the gas chamber. their own people. Since bush is the descendant of a card carrying nazi, do you see what is coming?
we spend an inordinate time using words to explain our incompetence. we spend a lot of words to prevent action as a comfort to our sense of failure for not really being involved. Soon, it may take a lot more than voting if you want to keep this country for all of us, and not just some. If you have to fight a corporation, best have others that agree with your goals.
I wish you all luck in your search for reality. I think it is time to stop talking, and revive the constitution that has served our country in these first primitive years of the industrial revolution.
Before anyone decides a Lou Dobbs candidacy is ridiculous, consider that the American political system produced George W. Bush. And next year, it's very likely we'll be forced to choose between Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton.
Ross Perot got 19% of the total vote in 1992, in spite of a massive media effort to portray him as a cartoon character. Bush is more cartoonish than Perot ever was, and has half Perot's I.Q., but he became president because 1) his name is Bush, 2) the money men in the G.O.P. needed someone who would do their bidding, 3) the Supreme Court broke the law by superseding Florida's rights under the Electoral College.
What did the Democrats do about this? Basically nothing. And they did nothing when Bush stole another election in 2004, leaving it to the Libertarian and Green parties to fight the good fight in court in Ohio. Do they deserve the White House? Would anything really change, beyond a more sensible energy policy and possibly universal health care?
Maybe Dobbs would make a lousy president. But any credible third-party candidate gets my vote. I'm fed up to the gills with Washington politicians and their never-ending bullshit.
canadianvisitor @ 53:
if lou dobbs stated his case like you, maybe he'd get more traction.
but he doesn't.
Whitey @ 56: is an example of the people he seems to attract. maybe you can help lou articulate his position so those brighter than neanderthals rally would round the 'stop destroying the middle-class' banner instead of the 'hate that other race that also carries diseases' mantra he uses and supports.
Lou needs your help. It always seems to be a problem when people think they are smart enough to encode their racism and make it unrecognizable.
Whitey @ 58:
what's a blod?
Whitey @ 56:
yeah, and my father was born here as was all of my family. generations ago, they lived in mexico, they did not move, the line changed. I have no allegiance to mexico and if truth be told, very little allegiance to this country. but this is a recent (say 8 years) development. my father died in world war II just as hundreds of thousands of other mexican-americans and other hyphenated americans have given their lives for the ideals of this country. unfortunately, the current admin has given a tacit okay for racism to raise its ugly head once again. hell, it was there all along, just buried beneath years of thinking things were getting better. but racism exists, more than that it's thriving. how do i know. read your post again, easy answers for complex issues. fear ying and yang and reincarnation. if there is any justice in this existence, the dumps of calcutta and tijuana await you in the next life.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 60:
lou is a political leper!
no longer a proud american @ 63:
Amen.
America has always been a racist country.Irish need not apply,wops,spics...the list goes on forever.And what I find is it's root is in religion.As for Dodds.....he's just a passing phase.People will follow anyone of cliff if they don't know any better.That's the problem,they are limited to the truth.And some people ignore the truth altogether.24%
EJG @ 1:
My sentiments exactly.
bmw 528 @ 46:
Don't be a pussy, if you want to call people racist, just say it candyass. Besides "xenophobe" implies a hatred of all foreigners, not just Mexicans. Tool.
ummm,errr.....that was supposed to be Dobbs.......see ya.
moniker @ 67:
I agree!
Stephen Colbert was set to take a chunk of voters in SC.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... but don't he look great in that suit!
Look. Dobbs is not a racist lunatic. He's for legal immigration. He's a nationalist.
In his book Exporting America he came out very strong against the elite, CEO agenda
of outsourcing American manufacturing, going so far as telling then HP CEO Carla Fiori (sp)
"fuck you" when she said all Americans don't have a right to a job.
One talks about Israeli foreign policy and gets labled "anti-semitic" and one tries to
broach immigration and gets called a "racist." Grow up, people.
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mudshark @ 66:
unevolved human beings search for the "other" to destroy . . . whites and blacks, catholic and protestant, sunni and shia et . . .
education attenuates this urge somewhat
Since he's such a showman, he's pretty good at hiding where he really stands, but just consider who his favorite guests are. Does a week go by when either Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo isn't a guest. He has guests from the left too, but he usually just uses them to set off one of his rants. In fact, it seems like all of the segments on his show are set ups for yet another rant. The reporters on his show never seem to make it through a report before the rant starts. However, he never seems to interrupt Hunter or Tancredo, and he never seems to miss an opportunity to ridicule Nancy Pelosi or Hilary Clinton.
He calls himself and Independent Populist, but has he ever really defined what that means? I agree with his stance against the outsourcing American jobs, but I don't think I'd trust him to end the Iraq war. In fact, it's really not clear to me what there is in his resume that qualifies him to be President of the United States.
AConfederacyofDunces @ 70:
Glen Beck is calling Ron Paul supporters "domestic terrorists" and equating them with Timothy McVeigh.
Meanwhile back on planet earth, the dollar approaches its death plunge
Carmikl @ 72:
Most weeks go by and neither Dunan Hunter or Tom Tancredo are guests. I watch the show while I do dishes. Lou Dobbs is not my choice for president and I wish there was something better to watch on Direct TV . . . used to watch the PBS News Hour but after I figured out that they were reading from the same script . . thus Lou Dobbs.
I think what several of us are talking about is that Lou Dobbs, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich are possible choices whereas the troop of CFR candidates are not.
I'm about as liberal as the next guy on most social issues and am actually pretty libertarian about them. Gay marriage? Abortion rights? Privacy from wire taps? If the government is going to restrict any of this, it needs to have a really GOOD reason to do it and those reasons have to be aired before the public and the court system rather than declaring the issue one of morality or state secrecy.
Where I think both the Democrats and Republicans have both been consistently wrong though is on the issue of illegals in this country. It's a fact that American wages for the working class have remained stagnant for decades now. It's a fact that there are some 15 million illegals in this country that "Americans aren't willing to do." Well, maybe Americans aren't willing to do those jobs for illegal wages, but let's see what happens to American willingness to do crap jobs when industries that have built their business models around artificially depressed wages no longer have the option of pitting Americans against illegals in the job market.
NAFTA is a similar problem. It's all well and good that tires can be built in Mexico and brought up to the US and Canada without tariffs being imposed at the border. What's not so great is that the very things early labor fought for in this country such as fair wages, an 8 hour work day, collective bargaining, etc. VANISHED the day NAFTA
Fat fingers. Continuing my stream of consciousness.
I’m about as liberal as the next guy on most social issues and am actually pretty libertarian about them. Gay marriage? Abortion rights? Privacy from wire taps? If the government is going to restrict any of this, it needs to have a really GOOD reason to do it and those reasons have to be aired before the public and the court system rather than declaring the issue one of morality or state secrecy.
Where I think both the Democrats and Republicans have both been consistently wrong though is on the issue of illegals in this country. It’s a fact that American wages for the working class have remained stagnant for decades now. It’s a fact that there are some 15 million illegals in this country that “Americans aren’t willing to do.” Well, maybe Americans aren’t willing to do those jobs for illegal wages, but let’s see what happens to American willingness to do crap jobs when industries that have built their business models around artificially depressed wages no longer have the option of pitting Americans against illegals in the job market.
NAFTA is a similar problem. It’s all well and good that tires can be built in Mexico and brought up to the US and Canada without tariffs being imposed at the border. What’s not so great is that the very things early labor fought for in this country such as fair wages, an 8 hour work day, collective bargaining, etc. VANISHED the day NAFTA went into effect. No longer does American labor negotiate with its corporate employer on issues of compensation. The corporation can send those same jobs elsewhere and in doing so, turn the clock back 100 years on the kinds of practices it employs with regard to its labor force. Is it any wonder there's American job flight and depressed wages?
The playing field isn't level for the American worker. It's not a question of race, it's a question of fairness for all of us living here. Frankly, I think Lou Dobbs has a much higher level of empathy for the American workforce than any of the leading presidential candidates from either party.
AJFan @ 73:
Yeah. Beck is a buffoon. But the agenda he represents is quite real. This is why he gets a MSM slot.
The dive in the dollar will open many an eye. We're in for a lot of pain.
Kucinich is my first choice. Paul is my second. Such is my fantasy world.
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I want to add to my previous post something that slipped my mind...
I am very open to the possibility that if the factors driving American wages artificially low were to be equalized by virtue of controlling the influx of illegal labor in this country and that such equalization meant a labor shortfall in certain areas, especially seasonal agricultural work, I would be all for a guest worker program that put Mexico as the preferred labor pool. But the conversation of guest worker programs can't be genuinely discussed without first normalizing the American labor market and first removing the very thing that has grossly imbalanced the working class in this country.
Lou Dobbs for president?
Only if he has to run against Bill Moyers.
No f-ing way. No more actors ("journalists") for president.
CoIntelPro @ 62:
It was meant to be bold.
#70 Well said.
this is like Michael Savage saying he'd run. Save me from half Mexican babies, Lou
Why stop at 4 parties! Make it 12! Smash a bottle of delightful Chaos to christen the immediate sinking of the SSUntied States of America!!! Whoooot Whoooot! School is OUT!
AConfederacyofDunces @ 70:
I agree with you *to a point*.
However you have to understand, Dobbs has, more than once, used data from racist organizations to evoke the belief that Mexicans are trying to take over our country.
I don't think he's necessarily racist - but paranoid to a degree... yeah; I believe that.
I doubt I would vote for Lou Dobbs; but I wouldn't be upset if he joined the field - more candidates is good, even ones I disagree with. We need to show the Democrats and Republicans both that it isn't THEY who own this country - its all of us; Every last one, no matter how far left or right, no matter how well educated or no matter how poorly - every last one of us owns a little stake in this country.
Right now neither party is doing a good job representing their people - in part I think because its too hard to get 'two sides' to every issue, when some issues have 6 or 10 or 12 sides that need to be espoused to have a real debate in the first place.
You can't just have "Well I'm anti-Immigration!" "Well I'm pro-Immigration!" and those be the only opinions. You can also have "I'm for non-quota based legal immigration, but anti-illegal immigration" or "I'm for removing the immigration system altogether and letting anyone come here after a background check" or... you see what I mean?
First - we need to get beyond the Bush Neocons; but once we're through with them, we all need to start looking at 'what's next'; and in my mind, that 'what' is going to be finding a way to bring several parties to the table, not just the two big ones. That way all of America has a real representation of what they believe.
I also have found a weird trend lately - has anyone else ever encountered someone who votes straight-line for a political party, even though their personal values don't seem to mesh with that party's ideology at all? They just do it out of tradition?
I met someone recently who always votes Republican... but to be completely honest, they're nearly as liberal as I am on all the issues. Nothing I say however has convinced them to vote another way... it just... boggles my mind. They just say "It was the party of my parents and that's good enough for me". WTF? And before you ask... this individual isn't dumb either... not brilliant... but not a drooling inbred by any stretch.
It just... confuses me.
crazylove @ 84:
Huh?
It's a cheap ploy to sell more books. Not too difficult to figure out....he writes a book...it doesn't sell as well as hoped...he gets attention by hinting at a run for office...which is parlayed into interest in his manifesto...Colbert did the same thing . Only better!
after 8 yrs of slimey shit, we don't need another batch that did not flush.
AConfederacyofDunces @ 70:
but you are a racist blanche, you are a........RACIST. learn to be honest
Don't quit your day gig Lou.
Whitey@44
Boy that’s original thinking there. Same could be said for why am I arguing with a guy named Cheney.
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Don't let them get stressed! These are the same people who find Hillary "polarizing", "controversial", "flipfloper" etc, etc, which, by the way, I'm pretty sure they are the same people who didn't vote in 2000, or found Bush as the "right buddy to have a beer with". And that's why the asshole got appointed.
Dobbs is no presidential material. But he speaks the truth. And that the "Mexicans are planning to take over the territories they lost to America", I've been hearing that directly from them in Texas for a long time. They got their reasons. The truth is: Americans indeed stole those territories. Nothing new there.
That America will have a President of Mexican descendent by the year 2018, that's a fact. Remember, a Hondurean descendent almost made it to the Supreme Court. Then again, isn't what America is all about?
Am I Mexican? No! But at the end, we all look alike, don't we?
mudshark @ 8:
You nailed it on the head.
Perhaps he's talking about Jon Stewart?
I'd vote for him.
Dobson might go for Dobbs.
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dadams @ 90:
Take your meds, please, for all of us.
Thank God he is going to run. I am tired of those mexicans taking our jobs and giving us leprosy.
In all seriousness, Lou Dobbs is pretty racist.
Lou Dobbs is a hypocrite.
He's a capitalist, so he loves cheap labor, no two ways about it.
Immigrant labor suppresses wages. Not news, I know.
Lou would shit his pants if immigrants were, indeed, barred from this country and employers lost that leverage and had to start paying everyone a living wage.
Lou Dobbs for President?
Haven't we had our fill with a Reactionary Executive Branch "YET"??????????
For Christ sake you would think the American people would have
had enough already. We need a true Uniter, and not another
well feed, well paid, corporate mouthpiece Divider, playing
our people off against one another to stay in power.
America is getting very close to the edge of all-out Dictatorship.
Keep flirting with Tyranny people, and you might just get what
you asked for. Lou Dobbs is no Uniter. His solution to the illegal
alien problem would be a wholesale expulsion of any and all illegals.
Warm up the cattlecars, because that is what his answer would be.
Why the f*** not? They elected the addled puppet Ronald Reagan, didn't they?
I wouldn't want Lou Dobbs for dog catcher!
He is simply too cruel.
Just what the nation needs.
ANOTHER cruel guy in the white house.
dadams @ 90:
wtf is wrong with you........are you menstruating
How about never, does never work for you?
garcia @ 92:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21822322/
what is he thinking?
he doesn't even have a sizable codpiece
Rudy: Fear Fear Fear
"the Islamic radicals are coming to get you (and your mother and your sisters)"!
Lou: Fear Fear Fear
"the illegals are coming to get you (and your mother and your sisters)"!
Why is this country so suceptible to idiots like Guliiani and Dobbs? Is it because we're a nation a bed-wetting numb-skulls?
Ah. Lou Dobbs. Were not the result of his philosophy hatred against a group being used to the detriment of our own citizen's job base. This was a setup for cheap labor and having the forgotten working poor duke it out and demonize them. It is wrong that Mexico takes no responsibility for their own citizens and considers it some god-given right to be parasitic on ours. (By the way, I'd get a ticket out of here if I could).
Such a convoluted problem. I agree with Kucinich's view of reinstating the approach that has been in place for some 200 years of getting in line for citizenship if you want to live here. Yours did it, mine did it, they can do it too.
I yearn for the return of Zero Population Growth, and considering 7 generations before implementing far reaching decisions.
At the same time it is a terrible thing to rip a breadwinner from their families and deport them.
I have nothing against mexicans really, but a lot against this unjust setup that ignores the cost to the grossly overlooked working poor and dead-in-the-water middle class of our society.
Hey, I pay RETAIL out of pocket for my family's medical...while the mexicans SKATE.
Lou Dobbs has no business running for the presidency, but few others discuss these issues. For that I appreciate his contribution. But this issue is unwinnable, I'm afraid.
Tancredo is a complete embarrassment.
Yeah, chain smoking Lou. He'd have a massive heart attack in 6 weeks.
John Fund? You mean THIS John Fund?
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010905BakerFund.html
He is anti-immigrant. Unless you are native american, if you're anti-immigrant, you are anti-american. Period.
But I can just imagine CNN running a piece about 'Can Lou get the Mexican vote?' and I'll laugh my head off.
Does Colbert get a royalty?
Too bad, unlike St. Stephen, Dobbs isn't pretending.
He married his maid. Apparently he gets her work cheaper that way.
After reading these comments I am in amazement. Some of you definitely have gotten it, but the rest of you... scare me to death. What has this country become? We are allowing our country to fall into the abyss and instead of getting rid of the real problem which is in our white house and impeaching the SOB's. First Ron Paul is the best candidate for saving this country.
Our problems are so vasts and if we don't get rid of the corruption in the Executive Branch we might as well just kiss our sweet country good-bye no matter who is elected... This immigration problem is a hoax that was planned by this administration to cause the next false flag to put this country into total Marshall Law.... so they can round us up and put us in their 600 FEMA camps and make us their slaves.... personally I don't care to pay for my own enslavement... Unless we get someone else in the White House who is not hooked up with the Global Elite there is no hope left for this country..... You can't count on it... It will take and educated and informed public to stop them in their tracks.. So wake up and know who you are voting for whether it is Ron Paul or Lou Dobbs..... Hilary and Rudy are murders......check it out at eznewstube.com.
Well personally, I don't think that will happen... But he couldn't be any worse that the assholes, morons, running in the GOP now.. And he sure as hell would be better than the dolt taking up space in the oval office this minute... Wonder if he'd run as a repub or a independant... I know he goes over the top on some things and I know he rubs people the wrong way on those issues.. But really, is he that much worse than the bulk of the declared candidates??? I'm still a Kucinich man, ain't seen nothing yet to put me off that idea.. Still, Dobbs might make my number four or five pick after Denny, Edwards, and Obama/and/or Dodd.. Maybe Feingold (if he decided to make a go of it) which would put Dobbs in the number five slot.... Might make a better VP mate than lead man.. And it all depends on which party he'd declare under.. IF repub.... forget it... IF independant.. Well hmmmm, I'd have to give it some thought anyway......JD
Lou Dobbs is a Republican fraud, his attempt to be populist is so bogus I'm ashamed of fellow Dems who fall for his painfully obvious demagoguary. This is just a Colbert like effort to sell his crappy books.
mudshark @ 8:
Exactly. Lou Dobbs of 6 years ago made a lot of sense.
But Lou Dobbs of today is completely insane. Frothing at the mouth, and his "show" is all just a sycophantic setup, like the "700 club" or something. Pathetic. I hope both he and Ron Paul go indie and split off some more Republican votes... It's too bad. I saw a speech of his about 4 years ago on global trade, domestic labor, and immigration and he made a lot of good sane points. Then I saw his CNN show recently. Completely over the top and self-defeating. Damn fool.
How awesome would it be to win ALL the states to vote blue with Edwards? Talk about a mandate...
Great another slave to big business and war. My that would be... different.
He's got the Latino vote; NOT!
The African American vote, hmmm; Obama doesn't even have that.
He does have the womans vote, but; thats only the "nerdy woman" demographic.
How many uptight quasi borderline racists, white male protestant voters are left anyways?
I'm a dedicated Democrat strongly against Hillary and supporting John Edwards - but if Lou ran, my vote would definitely go to him. Lou Dobbs is exactly correct on all of the issues. The middle class desperately needs a president that opposes NAFTA and Illegal immigration. NAFTA and illegal immigration combined with an ideological idiot president and his catastrophic policies are destroying America (it may already be too late). You pro-illegal alien fanatics out there need to understand that Democrats, Republicans and Independents want Mexican illegals to GO BACK HOME TO MEXICO! This is not a partisan issue, it's an American issue. No Democrats I personally know are for illegal immigration. If they send us a resume and America needs you, we'll call you!
Fritz @ 120:
You feel that way because you live in the real world, not the clueless fantasy-land of the Uber-libs that think they run the party. They may not be limousine liberals, but they think just like them. They want the U.S. to be like Europe, except when the Europeans aren't liberal enough for them; say on issues of immigration. In the EU nations, being born on their soil doesn't make you a citizen. Think about that. Odds are that when the U.S. is more liberal on an issue than the EU, we're wrong.
Please NOT now!
Don't complicate, confuse, and distract an already complicated presidential race. You'll have your turn when you decide to lead FIRST rather than lead from behind like Fred Thompson.
Who put you up to this? Murdock? Disney? ABC, NBC, FOX and AT&T? Are you running on popularity and name recognition?
Looks like Lou's wearing a girdle!
I say he should run; nothing like a good GOP Ralph Nader spoiler type to add to the Republican mix. Now lets see, the GOP has an alleged mob affiliated cross dressing, multi-divorced, blows his own horn, Robertson approved, leading the pack candidate. They also have the " but I'm a Christian and I can't possibly vote for a cultists; even though he is a good family man and holds dear and true Christian like sentiments like mine" candidate; then there's that candidate with voters that "HEART" Huckabee, but; most can't even get through the movie; let alone this candidate; Now McCain, all I can say is McWeird. Strange campaign, stranger candidate by the day. The rest of the candidates are but seasoning to an interesting mix. One of which Lou Dobbs could only contribute interest to. Mr. Dobbs owes his huckabee felt agenda a national podium.
Buckle up.
Well, why not, the Republicans turned over their party to Christians and Neo-con, thus making their party the Godly-Fascist one, the Dems have no spine, the leading Dem candidate for Prez is in bed with corporate america and seems to favor of accepting the fascist future the Neo-cons have set us up in, the Reagan dream of lots of cheap, cheap labor at super low wages is in full action, and the Dems aint even a speed bump in the way of what the neo-cons are aiming for (a caste system), so why not Lou Dobbs? Shit, I KNOW he could do better than President Chimp and the shit-slinging neo-cons, and Hillary is another hawk, the republican candidates are equally pathetic and dangerous, the man on the street DEM can't see the facts because they're too busy calling everyone a racist who don't march in lock-step with their point of view sliver, we're already fu*ked.
Just what the country needs... another racist in charge.
Lou Dobbs hates immigrants especially latino immigrants. People who hates immigrants hates black people too, and i bet he hates blacks too. Lou Dobbs' ranting about "illegal" immigrants makes me sick even though im an american. He's a racist xenophobe to the fullest. I rather vote for KUCINICH than lou effin dobbs in a heartbeat.
The whole racism allegation is based on emotion and cannot be logically quantified. IMO, the argument should be Dobbs flavor of forceful populism vs. practical reality.
Lou Dobbs is a populist blowhard who ridicules decent human beings who differ with him, a la Bill O'Reilly. If you notice he never publishes an email that disagrees with his prevailing view. He understands next to nothing about business and trade in this country, and he would make our already horrible global reputation under Bush sink even further, thru dumb, populist changes that would hurt the business community and the rest of the world. I hope he continues his moronic rants on CNN, until he implodes like Joseph McCarthy.
Also, the question is not whether or not someone is FOR or AGAINST Illegal immigration. Probably 95% of Americans are against it. The 2 questions are:
What do you do to stop it?
What do you do to solve the problem of 12M people who we essentially invited in and looked the other way, so we could have cheap hamburgers, and clean hotel rooms, etc?
1. You strongly penalize ANY employer who hires an illegal
2. You make "law abiding" workers who are already here pay $5000-10,000 ($60-120B) to get a place in the citizenship line.
3. You use the money $60-120B to fund the cost of border security,
Ultimately,though, I believe scared employers are much more important than scared workers, this will have the biggest impact
Hey morons!! He's not running!! You're all discussing/crying/whining about a moot point... a non-issue... in essence, DOING NOTHING... hmmmmmm... ya'll must be sitting on Capitol Hill.
Round 'em up, and ship 'em out! I would vote for Dobbs. I want my country back!!!
lou dobbs has been the only news commentator to stand up for the middle class. he slams corruption and policies that hurt the american middle class weather its coming from the left or the right.
i can't believe you pro hillary, lou dobbs haters are out of your minds for thinking she can actually win. are you stupid?
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