New York fans boo Isiah Thomas and Marbury all-night-long
By John Amato Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 2:10pm
I posted about the embarrassment that Isiah Thomas is and the lunacy with which James Dolan runs the NY Knicks a few weeks ago. After losing a sexual harassment suit, Thomas still coaches a team that is now in complete shambles. Marbury bolted from the Knicks last week when he learned he was going to be benched, was fined almost 200K and also was booed by the Graden faithful last night relentlessly.
When will Dolan stop the madness and clean house? I make a point about this story because (I am a fan of the team) once again a woman is victimized without consequences.
I pity Walt "Clyde" Frazier, a player turned analyst---who was one of the all time greats for NY and has to call these games. He's a man who has had a fun time trying to colorfully use the English language as a commentator and now is at a loss for words to describe this situation. Free "Clyde" Frazier and fire Isiah Thomas!
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I love this game!
No really, basketball is fun to watch. This situation, notsomuch.
I remember in the 80's Thomas and Magic and that loser from the Mavericks kissing eachother on the lips before games.
These weird cats these dudes.
"once again a woman is victimized without consequences"
Uh, didn't she win 11.6 million dollars? Yes, Thomas wasn't punished, but to say without consequences is patently false.
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 2:
Umm.. that was Mark Aguirre, yes?
But Isaiah is everyone's favourite Bad Boy! '89 & '90 World Champion Pistons!
Having lived through his Raptor experience,nothing Zeke does surprises me.He's a team breaker.
JC @ 3:
I'm pretty sure she hasn't seen any of that yet, and if she does, it won't be nearly all of it.
I can't believe that I would still have a job if I cost my boss or company 11 million dollars by being a jackass. Isiah has been nothing but bad news since hanging up his uniform. He was a helluva point guard, but he's got to go.
The Knickerbockers are going to need a seven-year rebuilding plan. They have so many bad contracts, and they keep making bad moves. Maybe the Pistons can talk them out of Zach Randolph.
Isiah is the only coaching candidate who'll get in the gimp suit for Dolan!
Yeah Mark Aguire lol. Always crying on the court. Jeesh.
The Knicks need look no further than Boston for class.
Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett.
Old Billy @ 7:
I guess he left The Raptors in better shape than The Knicks will be.All he did in Toronto was leverage the players loyalty against ownership while he tried to buy the team,when ownership finally wised up he soured the players on the team and left in a huff
He women, when I start touching you should just shut up and like it.
I'm a lifelong Pistons fan, but I have never liked Isiah. My favorite Isiah incident was when he punched Bill Laimbeer in the back of the head at practice, only to break his own hand. Fucker deserves it for suckerpunching a teammate like that.
Anyway, Isiah has been a total failure since retiring from playing. Let's take a look at his post-playing career:
1) Vice-President of the Raptors. Managed to draft some good players, but also got caught up in a scandal regarding inappropriate conduct with team staff.
2) Broadcaster on NBC. Not good.
3) Owner of the Continental Basketball Association. Put them out of business through horrible mismanagement.
4) Coach of the Pacers. Never coached his team past the first round of the playoff despite a high level of talent.
5) GM of the Knicks. Drove off one of the game's greatest coaches due to his inability to secure the type of player he needed to win. Awarded gigantic contracts to a series of marginally talented players, many of whom the Knicks are still paying despite them no longer being on the team.
6) Coach of the Knicks. Aside from coaching poorly, he is also said to have instigated the brawl with the Nuggets last year, and as this post describes, cost the team millions of dollars in a lawsuit.
Zeke was a great player, but I'm constantly shocked by how big a loser he is.
Personally, I think that we should have our noses in ever corner of the "Bus Admin".
I mean Isaih Thomas, BFD.
Ever small stupid story like this is just another distraction from what is really important!
pro sports is a cancer and i dont like reading about it on C&L. I know its your blog, congrats, it still beneath you. its MSM and consumerism rolled into one.
I'm going to take a page out of New York Yankee wingnutery:
The Knicks should do the honorable thing and just forfeit the season. Lose every game. Quit.
Oh, and Green 17 is coming, bitches!
pro sports is a cancer
The Brits started it in the 1880s. Blame them.
I'm missing the gene that allows me to care about sports.
The Nicks have always been a bunch of thugs. No surprise that they hired one of the worst from the Pistons.
Isiah is an embrassment to the Knicks. I've been calling for his ouster for a long time now.
I bet Dennis Rodman thinks Isiah's a bitch.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 19:
Mahorn was a thug. Lambier was a thug(but a great outside shooter fer a center- he was the reason the Pistons won those first 2 championships). Ditto Rodman, and ya could possibly- possibly- include "Buddha" Edwards in that category. But Zeke was just too damned slick- offensively and defensively- to be called a thug. A tough small man who wouldn't be intimidated by the likes of Karl Malone, Thomas rarely laid on the hard foul.
But, as MeMeMe pointed out, Thomas has botched every opportunity he's had since he retired as a player. The dude has a knack fer turnin' lead into shittier lead.
I'm glad that Mr. Class himself, Joe Dumars, was picked over Thomas to rebuild the Pistons.
John A.
You're a more patient man than I am. I too used be a Knick fan but I washed my hands of them and the NBA as a whole when the Knicks signed Latrell Sprewell. These sports leagues have to learn they need us more than we need them. (I haven't watched a baseball game since their last strike.)
Anybody who spends time and money on "professional sports" is a fool. And Thomas is a racist who suffers from male superior complex. Maybe he can be a guest on Imus's show. They deserve each other.
Isiah Thomas: the Kirby Puckett of basketball.
Human @ 24-
Anybody who spends time and money on “professional sports” is a fool.
And anyone who spends their oh-so valuable time chastisin' others over it is a bigger fool.
Who cares! All professional sports have gone the way of big business - it's all about money and that is it.. Real sports died after highs school. You have to keep remembering that its a business not a sport and the player - most - not all are a bunch of overpaid premadonnas
Stephon Marbury has a 7 year $140 million contract. Every penny of the contract is guaranteed. That's more money than 99.9% of the American public will make in 20 lifetimes. Guys like Marbury don't give a shit if you boo. He defecates on working stiffs.
I have no standards when it comes to being an NY fan. NYK and NYG. I don't give up. The fucking odds are that you root for the Knicks, or the Giants or the Rangers and fate has to be in your favor. The current Knicks have to be classified, somehow as "karma gone bad". Whatever happens to an organization when it is in the prime "market" in the professional basketball world, to make it be soooo bad is just beyond me. You need five to seven guys with exceptional talent, smart enough to think on their feet and with one, maybe two who can pull a physical miracle out of their ass in less than one second. How hard is that? That's not too much to ask? Isiah, On the Detroit team, he was the good guy. Lambier and Rodman, they were the assholes. Detroit taught us that defense wins the games that matters. Everybody followed suit. We were "this close" to getting Phil Jackson. Damn. NY teams keep coming up with these "franchise players" and they turn out to be duds. I just can't wait for this latest nightmare to end. Thomas gone. Nolan gone. Marbury gone.
Last time the Knicks did something good, 1999: Spreewell, Camby, starks, no Ewing and a cnance to pull a miracle off. That's 8 years ago. Has it been that long?
Dyke C @ 27:
Fer the players- at some level of motivation- it's always been about money. Duh! That's why they're referred to as "professional"- rather than "amateur"- sports, no?
The cryin' shame is that "amateur" collegiate sports is such big business. The focus has been off of scholastics at too many institutions of higher learnin' fer far too long. And the pollution of college sports has filtered down to the high school level, where, though there's not much money to be made fer the schools, many students see athletic scholarships as their only avenue to college.
This is one brother that really does need to get the ax
I'm loving this because I hate the Knicks. Isiah has already wrecked one NBA team - my Indiana Pacers - and is on his way to destroying another.
Backwoods-
“karma gone bad”
I hate to say it, but it's the curse of the Yankees. IMO, of course. But good fer ya fer stickin' with yer teams. I cheer fer the laundry, too(Packers, then Pistons, Tigers and Wings) and I went through many miserable years as a kid in the '70's and early '80's. It feels nice to have followed a team through the down years when they finally rebuild and win a championship. But I don't have to say that to a Rangers fan, I guess. I was very jealous of you guys in '94!
I washed my hands of any regular season NBA games years ago (since MJ retired) and most of the post season, depending on who makes it.
I have always been sickened by what the NBA and much of professional sports represents, a distraction to the American public and marketing to bilk the American public out of its hard earned money by obscenely overpaying a bunch of prima donna's to act like........well, Isiah Thomas.
"When will Dolan stop the madness and clean house?"
Is this a joke?
Look, we get on other sites for not doing their research around here, yeah? Do you know anything about Dolan? He's the prototypical admit-nothing-wrong, privileged, self-entitled nobody-tell-me-what-to-do...
OK, I need not go there. But just because this isn't as overtly part of the main-stream news covered here is no reason to not keep up the level of journalism we expect here and demand from others. Anybody who really keeps track of basketball, the Knicks, and Dolan knows that this is a specious question to ask.
How would we respond if FoxNews asked when will Bush/Cheney stop the madness and clean house?
I suppose there's Rumsfeld...
WOW ! He just played into the stereo-type. I can do it because I'm black, but if you do it
you are a racist ! WTF, are we striving to be human beings, one and all, or not ?
Andy K @ 33:
Dumars was tougher than Isiah ever was. And what is this Packers crap? Go Lions!
Speaking of which, I don't pay attention to basketball until football season is finished. Got the Thanksgiving day game tomorrow. A side of Favre with cranberry sauce.
Not a sports fan either, but I checked your link to Frazier's use of the english language. Therein I found definitions for words like:
aroused
auspicious
blunder
diligent
And the comment:
"You may want to print out this list for your own benefit so when you watch the game, you can get a good feeling as to what Walt is really trying to say."
Is this really reflective of the level of comprehension of the english language that your average basketball fan has? Sheesh!
This is a sad, pathetic, hapless team. The rot begins at the top, and Thomas just happens to be the festering boil oozing pus for all to see. He has no successful track record as management. I acknowledge his floor leadership as a great Piston on a great team, but that was in the '80's!
The Knicks have had a heart problem for years, which is why they have failed to step on the neck of an opposing team and have so often allow them back into games in the fourth quarter.
I have been scratching my head about Thomas for years... When is it enough?
Old Billy @ 37:
My dad's parents were Yoopers(from Gladstone and its suburb, Kipling), moved to Muskegon in '40 or '41. The U.P. is heavily green & gold (kinda the way many people in Toledo root fer Detroit teams). Dad used to get up on the roof to adjust the antenna so he could watch the games on Milwaukee stations. I grew up in GR, but spent many Sundays trekkin' to the lakeshore to watch dad fiddle with the antennae some more.
I don't pay much attention to the NBA until about March. Been that way since the "Golden Era" ended in '91. Hockey's a drag without Stevie Y., but I still follow it. And I love me the Tigs, baby! Nice hot stove season so far, huh?
As fer Dumars toughness: yeah, but little Zeke drove the lane with no fear. He was an inspiration to sub-six footers everywhere. He took as many stitches in the face as Gretzky, and Zeke didn't have Semenko or McSorley(or every ref in the game) as his back-up.
Who cares. The Rangers are real good this year.
I used to be a sports fanatic, especially football, baseball and basketball. During the late 70's, I began to realize, these new players did not care about their team or have any honor. It became a contest of wills between owners and players, to see who could screw the other. The poor fans were left out in the cold. There was the baseball strike, then the football strike. The NBA became full of overpaid crybabies, who went to far as to spit in the face of an adolescent girl (Barkley). I quit watching the NBA and never looked back.
I began watching youth sports. My nephews began wrestling when they were 5. The last one graduated from HS last year. He is now wrestling for Oregon State. His brother wrestled for Portland State. Youth sports are what it is all about. If you ever get a chance, go watch some HS athletics. You will see a group of young people, not out partying, locked-up in their room playing video games. They are learning the lessons of hard work paying dividends. You will see some great competition and support those who deserve it.
As for Thomas, I recall him denouncing racism, yet here he is promoting it. He is a dismal spokesperson for many things, especially diversity. If he could not play basketball, he would be lucky to have a job on an assembly line.
The profit motive is what made America great. "The business of America is business" is the most profound truism ever uttered. Money is the driving force behind behind every aspect of American life. Financial gain is the core of our reason for being. Why do we hypocritically treat lust for money among athletes as some kind of affliction?
god damn Knicks lost again. Thomas destroyed the CBA but keeps getting these jobs
Recall the days of Walt Frazier.
Willis & Phil.
What the hell became of a great team?
The profit motive is what made America great.
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Yes. At a time where we shared the profit it was good.
(WWII thru the Sixties perhaps).
Today?
Profit is the object the rich here are soley allowed to hold.
FOX & Bush make sure of that.
paul pierce is god.
In any sane environment, an amoral racist like Thomas would not even be allowed near a front office. But no one has ever accused the NBA of being a sane environment. It is a league replete with thug wannabes where speaking in guttural, ungrammatical English is considered to be a virtue. The players are, by and large, unpleasantly arrogant. Also, most NBA stars, I've noticed, who believe themselves to be the epitome of macho, fold like a cheap suit when the pressure is on. This is a symptom of having little or no character. By contrast, last night here in Pittsburgh, I watched the greatest hockey players in the world, 20 year old Sidney Crosby, give 150% effort for every second he was on the ice. The players in the NHL are respectful and grateful for a system that allows them to make a lot of money doing something they love. In the NBA, we have Thomas and Artest and hundreds of clones. One of the facets of being a sports fan is that you have to like the players you root for. This is very difficult in the NBA for the simple reason that many of the guys in the NBA are basically rotten human beings.
Those of you who actually have tried to play basketball competitively know what many of the clowns posting on this site will never know; and that is how incredibly skilled and gifted NBA players and teams are. I know that in the big picture sports is not important. Neither is music, ballet, movies etc. We can't all be engrossed in political and worldly issues 24/7. Watch a re run of the Houston-Dallas game that was on tonight and then you will know why the NBA generates so much revenue.
Hey Portside Politics,
Why dont you just admit that you dont like the NBA because most of the players are black. You said that most players in the NBA are "rotten human beings". Which ones? Do you know any of them? Which professional sport has the most physical fights? Hockey or Basketball? Does punching someones teeth out you make you a rotten human being or does depend on your skin color?
I won't bother to respond to portside, he's already been called out. Hope all the other racists
see themselves in this to some extent and take responsibility for their prejudices. We need to
take responsibility when we feel hatred and fear, rather than always deciding that someone did
something to us and deserves blame and punishment.
Utterly lacking awareness of the context for the video, all I see is a man saying that
it is more offensive to him if a white man calls a woman a bitch than a black man.
Seems simple and obvious to me. When the white man calls her a bitch, Isiah knows that racism is likely involved as well as sexism, and of course that is demeaning. When the black man calls her bitch, it is only sexism; and OF COURSE, as a man he thinks that's less a big deal; HE'S A MAN!
... but returning to the original point, there is far too much undistinguished racism going on here. Let's wake up to it, it's no less ugly than other manifestations of ignorance.
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