Crucifixes Made in Chinese Sweatshops
AFL-CIO NOW Blog, (h/t Norwegianity):
Looks like literally nothing is sacred. A new report by the National Labor Committee reveals that crucifixes for sale at major religious institutions such as St. Patrick’s Cathedral and Trinity Church in New York City were made in Chinese sweatshops.
Distributed by the Association for Christian Retail, the items are not labeled “Made in China.” In fact, they sometimes seems to be labeled “Made in Italy,” according to National Labor Committee Director Charles Kernaghan. Following a National Labor Committee press conference yesterday outside St. Patrick’s announcing the report, Kernaghan said both St. Patrick’s and Trinity pulled the items from their store shelves...
The report, “Today Workers Bear the Cross: Crucifixes Made Under Horrific Sweatshop Conditions in China,” notes that the workers who make the crucifixes are paid just 26½ cents an hour, less than half China’s legal minimum wage of 55 cents, which is itself set at below subsistence levels. read more...
Sweatshops for freedom!
is it
Capitalist republican pigs
or
communist chinses dictators
that sell CRAP tot he DUM american public
Satan wants cheap whips and chains for his
hindu At &T phone crew
Blasphemy
Chinese crucifixes make the baby Jebus cry.
I'm sure the fundies will defend it, saying killing commie atheists brings them closer to Jesus.
Jesus loves exploitation. And hate and intolerance. And war. And misery. And suppression by those who are strong of those who are weak. Jesus loves these things. This is why he died on the cross.
Workers of the world unite.
We have been double-crossed again.
Exactly where should they be made?
It would sacrileges if there were made in the United States right now I think.
Kind of puts the whole religion thing into perspective, a whole lot of nerve selling inexpensive, exploitive Chinese crap in the churches for I am sure an obscene profit, like God needs the money. Jesus would do more than just overturn the tables.
There's a metaphor in there somewhere.
Jesus had a bad fiscal year.
I can't resist this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqwYrbwHeM
This just proves something I've always said - the Catholic Church is no different from any other blood-sucking multinational corporation.
sharkcellar @ 11:
I can't resist this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYqwYrbwHeM
...a joke, too- I'm struggling...
Boycott Chinese-made toys and religious torture icons, please, this Christmas! Do it for the children.
This strikes me as an almost perfect metaphor for the religious rights' unholy alliance with the American fascists.
I never knew that the reason Jesus died on the cross was from the lead poisoning. Learn something new everyday!!!! ;-)
Ok, I can't resist this either (you only need to listen to the first song to get it (it's in a 2 song package)) -
http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...
Stop all Chinese imports until safety and working conditions are up to standard. Once again our biggest problem is corporate greed. "Capitalist Pigs" pretty much a constant label for the good 'ol US of A all 'round the world.
The onus should be on the corporations to be totally responsible for what they are selling. We can't count on the Chinese to police themselves so the profiteers must set up testing and inspections in China and Congress should use their oversight to enforce this. This is inexcusable.
I'm sorry but I find this hilarious, I know it's sad there are people and children working in horrible conditions, but if the Sweat Shop Crucifix doesn't define modern Christianity, then I don't know what does. Even Jesus at this point is saying: Who me? No, I'm Buddhist!
Gotta love how well Bush and the GOP protect us.
Save the big piece of chicken for Daddy.
Somewhere a Rockefeller is sleeping with a smile on his face. China as a model for the world was his dream, and its being realized.
I wonder if the crosses that actually have the Jesus figure on it are made in China too. Once in a while I'll see someone wearing one of those, and I really love those 'cause I comment to the person: "Oh, you worship the first long-haired hippie! Cool!!!!"
Thank God I'm a Protestant.
I've also made sure I've never owned a Cross made by slaves or virtual slaves.
Stanley Rosenthal @ 24:
Yes, that's what the article is referring to. A crucifix is a cross with a Jesus figure affixed to it.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 21:
I thought he was more a firebrand...
Didn't he get really pissed of once, and start throwing tables around, eventually chasing out the religious assholes that were charging the poor and minorities extra money for salvation? In other words, the megachurch bullshit is EXACTLY counter to one of the founding messages of Jesus. It is no surprise that they get along so well with the non-affiliated exploitative corporate jerks. From wikipedia, one interpretation:
My own thoughts on spirituality are... unusual, but I have to agree completely with Thomas Jefferson, that if you take the smoke, mirrors, and stage magic (put in by priests 100 years later) out of the new testament, the moral code left is secular, and very good. Certainly worth studying as a civic lesson for all people in the West, I think.
You don't have to be religious to see that who ever boiled down, refined, and simplified the wisdom of the ancients (Greeks, etc.) into this work was pretty sharp, and covered a lot of bases in a relatively short story. It's easy to loose this -- the TRUE value of this whole thing: bible, Christianity, founding of America, etc. -- with all the obnoxious lies and religious bullshit flying around in politics and public life.
Don't toss the baby with the bathwater.
John -
> Yes, that’s what the article is referring to. A crucifix is a cross with a Jesus figure affixed to it.
I never knew that! (must be my Jewish upbringing) You really *DO* learn something new everyday!!!! :-)
CD @ 25:
Stanley Rosenthal @ 28:
And my Catholic upbringing too, I suppose... though knowledge of the actual name of that grotesque and barbaric effigy is knowledge I'd be happy to lack.
He was nailed to that cross for our sins, so it's cool with Jesus.
CD @ 25:
Just never got caught.
John Barringer @ 29:
Beau Jangles @ 32:
Do you have an ounce of proof or are you just wishing?
Didn't he get really pissed of once, and start throwing tables around, eventually chasing out the religious assholes that were charging the poor and minorities extra money for salvation?
You're confusing a couple of things here. Jesus flipped out over the money lenders in the temple. He was enraged by the sight of worldly commerce, essentially banking, being conducted on sacred ground.
Charging for salvation, or the "selling of indulgences", was something that the Catholic church engaged in during them Middle Ages. Priests would basically sell you a "Get Out Of Hell Free Card" which absolved you of sin, either past or future. It was a real racket and one of the things which pissed Martin Luther off no end. Abuses like selling indulgences were a big factor in stimulating the Protestant Reformation.
John Barringer @ 29:
CD @ 36:
I was raised a Catholic. Then i thought about it.
Here is a religion that really knows how to make a buck.
You must go to Mass (church) every Sunday. They also have Mass during the week, especially early so you can go before work, usually 6:30 AM. During each Mass they pass the collection plate. Not once, but twice. Each time it is preceeded with an appeal as to why you need to put some money in. I have never seen anybody not put money in.
Every Mass celebrates the Eucharist (the Body of Christ.) That is when everybody goes up and eats a wafer representing the body of Christ. (I know, objectively it sounds a little odd.)
In order to do this you have to be free from mortal sin. One mortal sin when i was growing up was missing Mass on Sunday. Another was not eating fish on Friday.
In order to clear a mortal sin from your soul you have to go to confession and tell the Priest all your sins. The Priest collects inside information on all the members of his Parish. Sort of like a pre electricity wire tap thing. Then he gives you your penance which might include lighting a candle. The thing is if you light a candle you have to put some amount of money into a little box.
As you leave the church there is a "Poor Box" to drop even more money into.
Of course during the Inquisition if you were suspected of being Demonic or something, perhaps if you questioned the power of the Roman Catholic Church they would try to figure out if you were a devil or not. One way to find out was to pour molten lead into your ear. If you died then you were not a Devil after all. I don't think they found any Devils.
Now you are telling me they are using slave labor to make Crucifixes.
Well, times are tough for the Catholic Church what with all those lawsuits for pedophilia and all.
"Abuses like selling indulgences were a big factor in stimulating the Protestant Reformation."
How very unlike tithing.
George Carlin - Religion is bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
CD @ 37:
Sorry John I can't seem to write very good tonight.
Yeah, neither can I. I got going on a reply to your post but it got so garbled that I eighty-sixed it. Maybe it was God telling me to shut up. :-)
sadsack @ 39:
resetthathang @ 13:
Nice links! 'Made in Itay' -- ha! They are certainly getting screwed over by "religion". You know, a cruder person would have linked this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDomzDLqXJU
Obviously I am such a person. Warning: This lady also does a VERY bad thing with a crucifix here. (You have been warned.) Funny I don't remember that scene quite like that when I first saw the movie... seems a bit over the top.
Bad little Pazuzu! And how badly most Christians wish to be pagans! Well, I suppose we ALL want to believe in magic tricks at some point...
John Barringer @ 40:
Yeah, neither can I. I got going on a reply to your post but it got so garbled that I eighty-sixed it. Maybe it was God telling me to shut up. :-)
lol Well my post was made with the intent of heading off Atheists who can't seem to understand that not all Christians are Catholic.
Unfortunetly the moment I wrote it I realized it would offend Catholics.
my bad.
George Carlin - 10 Commandments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF1-IS0yDCs&feature=related
CD @ 42:
lol Well my post was made with the intent of heading off Atheists who can't seem to understand that not all Christians are Catholic.
Unfortunetly the moment I wrote it I realized it would offend Catholics.
my bad.
PLEASE! Offend some Catholics, otherwise you have wasted an evening.
CD @ 25:
Guess my mind's in the gutter tonight, but I can't resist:
Thank you Monty Python (Meaning of Life)...
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 45:
How dare you post this with out the preceeding musical number? ;)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
> He was nailed to that cross for our sins, so it’s cool with Jesus.
I think John's *point* is cool. He says that Jesus was *fixed* to the cross. It's how he got his lead fix. Those nails must've been made in China. ;-)
"Shooting up the roadmap on the highway of my wrist
Baby I've just *CROSSED* you off my list" - Chevy Chase (National Lampoon, Lemmings)
I got it backwards I think, it's "shooting up the highway on the roadmap of my wrist". It must be that I don't wear a Colbert wriststrong bracelet ...
death to free trade. Kudos to people like David Sirota for trying to stop it
By the way, Jesus never existed.
It is truly a profound statement about the state of the world that Organized Religion is selling "true believers" plastic crap that represents someone they believe is The Son Of God on the worst day of his fictitious life that is made by slave labor.
It is the Circle of [our fucked up, delusional, disfuctional] Life!
kinda puts the whole outsourcing thing into perspective
unfettered free trade must end...as it is not free...nor is it fair
elect hillary, and you will just see more of the same
Stanley Rosenthal @ 48:
They sell Colbert wriststrong bracelets?
with a Nazi pope, how can anyone expect moral leadership, much less humanitarian concern, from any of the catholic church's lower leadership? the history of the catholic church includes supporting, blessing and condoning euro-imperialism, slavery, economic exploitation in south america, the inquisition, .... child molestation.
CD @ 52:
Indeed they do.
What kind of mental malfunction leads a person to worship the image of a naked, battered, dying, tortured man nailed to a stick?
I think I'll be giving this to all my religious friends this year.
http://www.jesusdressup.com/
CD @ 46:
How dare you post this with out the preceeding musical number? ;)
Right then! But it just isn't the same it print -- that's one impressive musical number!
Wow. I'm an annoying poster tonight... good to see how the other half lives, I guess... ;)
CoIntelPro @ 53:
As long as it is tax free no harm done.
xoites defends Constitution @ 54:
Looks like Colbert has fans in high places.
http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/24/331442.aspx
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 56:
Right then! But it just isn't the same it print -- that's one impressive musical number!
Wow. I'm an annoying poster tonight... good to see how the other half lives, I guess... ;)
:lol:
Here's the song.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
MargeAggedon @ 55:
Really! I mean do Dale Earnhart fans have photograghs of his fatal accident over their beds?
NO!
They plaster the number 8 all over their windshields.
If God had just had the foresight to give Jesus a number!
CD @ 58:
Low places too.
I am also a fan. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 50:
is it that bad, really? don't go duck hunting with cheney, ok?
Wow, this outsourcing thing is GREAT - for the Chinese.
The Chinese now:
1. service our national debt
2. support Wal-Mart with 200,000 Chinese factory jobs
3. sell poisonous toys to our children
4. sell us lead-poisoned turkeys for Thanksgiving
and now
5. use slave-labor to produce crucifixes for the Christians
Man, the conservatives are right - globalization has really improved our lives! Now we just need to borrow some more money - from the Chinese, of course.
Mainland China - defender of Democracy! Protector of the American way of Life!
> Indeed they do.
Yeah, but I refuse to buy one. It's all about fame. ;-) I'm waiting for someone less famous than me that I meet to give me one. :-)
xoites defends Constitution @ 60:
You use to be Catholic have you really forgotten why the RCC "likes" Crucifixes?
It's classic Garth, eh xoites?
xoites defends Constitution @ 57:
Oh yeah, I forgot about the tax breaks. I forgot the real estate empire, too!
It makes me want to re-join, if they'll promise me a cut.
yogi-one @ 63:
and holder of 'most favored nation' trading status, too. well, as long as a friend of boosh sees a profit....
xoites defends Constitution @ 61:
He declared my Church to be heretical.
I'm forever in his debt. :) :) :)
CoIntelPro @ 62:
If you don't think world religions who use the concept of "Loving Thy Nieghbor" as a means to make money, influence geo politics and say almost nothing against war and poverty using slave labor to sell trinkets to people who believe that if they buy them the gates of heaven will open for them isn't bad enough then stick around. It is going to get worse.
So how do you find out if you have a real one? and how do you know if you have a fake? Could some one if they could help me out please thank you for your time
CD @ 65:
I was never informed. Do tell!
xoites defends Constitution @ 71:
I'm not a Catholic but I think it's supposed to be somthing like a constant reminder of how much he suffered for your sins.
It always seemed like a mega guilt trip but that's just my opinion.
Oh, That!
Yes, i am very very sorry i forgot. Please forgive me.
xoites defends Constitution @ 60:
You freakin kill me all the time. :D
PS: It was #3. ;)
Missed it by that much.
CD @ 65:
Ooh I know this one!!
It's part of a colossal never ending guilt trip the carpolik masters use to beat their sheep over the heads with to remind them of what horrible people they are all the f*****g time.
Or..
Because religious people are morbid and strange?
How about because some old pedo in a robe said it's a necessary prop?
Since we're talking about an imaginary friend I guess it's because there are a lot of delusional people in the world.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vaHBWN2kwNc
MargeAggedon @ 77:
Interesting I hold the same opinion.
"Every kitchen needs a crucifix!"
"Yeah. Nothing says "eat up" like a bleeding, half-naked Jew nailed to a piece of wood."
Your own
Personal
Crucifix
Something made of plastic
Makes you go spastic
Your own
Personal
Crucifix
Something made in China
To put in you diner
Your own
Personal
Crucifix
Something made by a slave
That shows all your saved
xoites defends Constitution @ 81:
Someone's a Manson fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0
bloodhoundgang: Hell Yeah -
http://technohippie.com/geeklog/public_html/mediagallery/media.php?s=200...
CD @ 82:
Really? I think that is Depeche Mode. Covered by many including Johnny Cash and as i can plainly see, Marilyn Manson.
xoites defends Constitution @ 85:
yeah But Manson covered it most recently.
BTW if you like Cash covering others song you've got to hear him singing "I Won't Back Down".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUvEouWA29o
sadsack @ 83:
I like this one better. :)
Poisoning Pidgeons in the Park.
It mentions religion.
Wow. With all the hours the chinese sweatshop workers have spent looking at Jesus, you'd think they'd have all converted by now.
BC @ 87:
Ya think?
I bet they wish he was right there so they could crucify him themselves by now.
impeachbushnow @ 2:
First, realize that "Communist" China is about as Communist as Nazi Germany.
Secondly - its a combination of things.
But this is why I loathe organized religion. I have my faith - I don't need a little trinket to remind me of that; nor do I need someone telling me how I should believe. Fuck them.
I am a member of the "Fuck Them" religion too.
Stanley Rosenthal @ 28:
Jerry Seinfeld enters confessional, sits down on kneeler. Father Curtis opens sliding door.
Father: That's a kneeler.
Jerry: Oh. (Adjusts accordingly)
Father: Tell me your sins, my son.
Jerry: Well, I should tell you that I'm Jewish.
Father: That's no sin.
sadsack @ 40:
Hey, if that's true..."then there is no such thing as reality. You are living in a dream world!"
> They sell Colbert wriststrong bracelets?
'Yes'. IT's that these days they don't *WRITE* engravings on those bracelets. ;-) So to support the writers, we should write on blogs of course. :-)
If we're talking Carlin and (so-called) religion, then Back In New York must be included. The entire show is on Google Video, search there ... hint "Y, Y, Y" (oh Y O Y, did you leave me high and dry (Combo)) ...
> Missed it by that much.
99 is a multiple of 3.
I love how articles like this will say "China's minimum wage." As someone who works in the field of corporate social responsibility, I find these wordings downright silly and unintelligently abstract. China has hundreds of minimum wages that vary across different regions, provinces and cities. More details would make those firing back at this type of thing sound a little more informed. There is no "People's Republic of China" minimum wage.
And anyway, it's how it is in China, unfortunately. Though it is sad that they're now making holy ornamentals via sordid outsourcing activities. Nothing's sacred anymore...
*May contain lead paint
Johnny2Bad @ 93:
There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure of the universe!
Albert Einstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxuLAuVc4qQ&feature=related
gene214 @ 14:
The Church is probably THE FIRST blood-sucking multinational corporation in History, excluding The Roman Empire.
And the Roman Empire, pre-Christian, was not all that bloodsucking. It was certainly religiously tolerant. The Catholic Church grew out of the wedding between Church and State, but they weren't the only Christians. As late as the 1300's, a group called the Cathars lived in Southern France. The Cathars called the Catholic Church the Church of Evil, and the cross they dismissed as an instrument of torture, and they were as nonviolent as Buddhists. Women were equal in Cathar society and many historians feel that they would have produced a Renaissance much earlier than it happened, except the Catholic Church launched the Albigensian Crusade and basically wiped them from history. One battle in that Crusade is where the phrase, "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out," came from.
Whatever Jesus was (besides a revolutionary Jew), he was not a Catholic or a Protestant.
Ah China, where American companies go to do all the stuff they'd like to do here but can't. Someone pointed out that the Chinese have most favored nation status, and while this will get me in trouble...don't forget that our last Democratic president gave them that status.
jackpine savage @ 102:
No trouble.
Bill Clinton passed more bad laws in the name of goodness than any Democrat in recent history.
I can only assume the Cathars were labeled Heretics and lumped with the rest in Catholic History.
Jesus, by the way, was not created during a writer's strike.
Get your facts here.
Hey! Don't you know capitalism trumps WWJD. ;)
peaceful easy feeling @ 104:
Facts?
I see accusations and denials.
Most favored Nation, are they trying to away jops from our mexican illegals.
I wonder how much these folks get paid.
You silly fools--most of what you wear is made from china cloth and workmanship. Even your stars of David's flags,pins are made in CHINA ! At least in china there is no homeless littering the streets. We are living off the backs of chinesse hard workers. Just imagine what a pair of shoes or a screw driver used to cost in the 70's ?Wise up and give them thanks--you spoiled fools. {:-(
Oh,
and also,
Do not lick your crucifix that was made in china.
It contains lead.
Forget that noise,... give me a Chocolate Jesus, Tom,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw
CHOCOLATE JESUS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw
hahahahaha! Now THAT's rich! The Christo-fascists are going to love that one!
They were the original.
stickypants @ 109:
Either that or it's been stuck in urine.
ysaddaden @ 114:
Let's just hope they're not coated in roofies to, we don't need those fundies procreating any more than they already are.
jackpine savage @ 102
The Circumcisors, the Manicheans, the Gnostics, the Montanists the Sabelianists, the Arians, the Pegalians, the Semi-Palagians, the Nestorians, the Monophysites, the Cathers, the Iconoclasts, the Protestants, and the Jansenists.
Then you break into sub-groups (largely Gnostic) like the Albigensians, the Paulicians, the Luciferians, Bogomils etc. They were all targeted for liquidation.
Oh yes, the Roman authorities complained of the streets flowing with blood, and clogging with bodies between factions of the rival popes Eusebius and Marcius.
In fact, some religious authorities think many of the ancient "martyrs," were killed by Christian rivals, not various emperors. The only reason they were martyrs was because they let their guard down or the reflexes failed them.
Capt. Bat Guano @ 115:
If you swallow roofies can you get the shingles?
Isn't that what Poppy Bush and Ilk's "New World Order" is all about...crucifying the poor and the defenseless upon crosses of gold? Of seeing how much profit can be made off of every last drop of sweat and sigh of despair?
What happens in China or in Mexico or in Saipan is their plan for all Americans.
Oopsie, I forgot the Paterenes of Bosnia.
xoites defends Constitution @ 58:
yes but what about all the good things they do, such as exorsisims?
yogi-one @ 64:
i think that wed have been smart about the chinese and thier fasination with lead after all they gave plenty of us lead poisoning dureing the korean war!
In the right-wing "free market" utopia, ALL of our products will be made by slaves overseas.
Rusty Shackleford @ 123:
the nice thing about sending all our jobs to china is it will give us more time since we will no longer need to work to travel more to places like yocimity park and the grand canyon and destroy more of the invironment with our plastic junk we leave behind littering the landscape!
tyree @ 124:
Plastic junk that's... made in China!
The circle of life...
tyree @ 121:
Can they exorcise this guy:
http://media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/simmons.jpg
The Clintons opened up the China market and the Bush's keep it rolling. One party with two wings.
these folks are slaves? you mean they're forced to work against their will? i wonder if it's possible that the work they were doing before was worse?
we may think that the conditions are bad compared to what we're used to here, but why does that give one the authority to stop someone from choosing a better job than what they had (which is often prostitution, backbreaking farm labor, etc.)? improving conditions comes at a cost. that cost will be borne by the workers when their jobs are eliminated. you can't get around the laws of economics. sure, i wish conditions everywhere were awesome, but it can't be legislated. if it could, we'd all just vote ourselves into the best jobs imaginable. if conditions were improved and the workers retained, then those who really benefit from cheap goods, the poor, will suffer the consequences of higher prices and lower quality of life.
the free market will steadily improve the conditions there over time as the economy strengthens. it's inevitable.
If they were made in America, the taxes would fund mass murder and torture. Would jesus prefer that?
wow...amazing how china and religion are getting rolled into one here...if you guys are so worried about it. make some crucifixes here! ... or buy some! why boycott them?!
"crucifixes for sale at major religious institutions such as St. Patrick’s Cathedral and Trinity Church in New York City were made in Chinese sweatshops"
ok...so 'sweatshops' are the real issue.... i guess choices and living standards are something to look at here. and consequently what somebody is planning on doing about it....
"the items are not labeled “Made in China.” In fact, they sometimes seem to be labeled “Made in Italy"
there is another issue here as well... and what exactly is the issue?
"paid just 26½ cents an hour, less than half China’s legal minimum wage of 55 cents"
so if someone hires me for $5 an hour here in the US... is it your problem? is there a problem at all?... i think we need more specifics...
"which is itself set at below subsistence levels"
hmm...subsistence...wonder what's going on here?
piece by piece guys...no need to lump it all together...
jojo @ 109:
Not to disregard American extravagance or Chinese workers, but there ARE homeless people in China. They, like many homeless around the world, are often employed, but don't make enough money to afford a place to live. There are also unemployed Chinese people.
More to the point, there are also wealthy, extravagant Chinese people. As in America, CEOs and other higher-ups make mad cash. If China were truly Communist, that money would be distributed freely, from each person according to their ability, to each person according to their need. It's not.
Let's keep our facts straight, mkay? Not ALL Americans are wealthy affluent consumers wreaking havoc on the environment and global economy, and not ALL Chinese people work 18 hour shifts for fractions of a dollar. There are no absolutes in life. EVER.
I also object to your word choice. Homeless people "litter" the streets? Excuse me? Next I suppose you'll try to fob off old conservative talking points about how all homeless people are lazy, stupid, dirty drunks. J.K. Rowling is fabulously wealthy now. Whatever you think of her books, they are the product of hard work. The first half of the first Harry Potter was written on scraps of paper, because she and her daughter were homeless people "littering" the streets.
brian @ 129:
I love economics. All highfalutin' theorizing and arm-waving, with almost as much scientific validity as astrology.
Please, Brian - tell us more about your delightful faith system.
brian @ 129:
Trying to explain this to you would be like FEMA trying to respond to Katrina. Not sure how to explain that working twelve hours a day seven days a week is inhumane and immoral to someone who thinks it is probably a step up. If you were perhaps 5 i could start you all over again but i think you may be too far gone. Empathy is something you can explain to people but you either posses it or you don't.
Rusty Shackleford @ 133:
Looks like he has no faith in his own "faith system" :lol:
i'm all ears, guys. tell me how to improve conditions and pay or either, without losing jobs.
also, tell me why your opinion of acceptable conditions is "better" than those of the workers who voluntarily take these jobs.
tell me why they take these jobs that you seem to assert are worse than their previous job? do you consider them to stupid to make choices for themselves?
your ideas will send these people back to the conditions they were in before seeking this employment. how is it that you are empathetic?
the fact is, you won't be able to refute my statement. ad hominem is the only way to disagree. this is typical of socialist elitists.
In an adjacent sweatshop, chinese children down to the age of four, are busy cranking out milllions of 'Made in Heaven' labels.
And there are an awful lot of 'Shrouds of Turin', and 'Splinters of The Actual Cross' showing up in Hong Kong and Beijing flea markets.
brian @ 136:
You seem awfully touchy, Brian. It's not our fault that economics is nothing but semi-educated guesswork. Please continue the arm-waving though - it's very entertaining.
"You seem awfully touchy, Brian. It’s not our fault that economics is nothing but semi-educated guesswork. Please continue the arm-waving though - it’s very entertaining."
good call, rusty. you got me on that one. i don't believe in science anymore. how could i, you've definitively debunked it with that insightful response.
look, i'm not trying to stir the pot, but to educate on why working conditions are what they are and why, in the big picture, these conditions are a good thing. i see so much misinformation around these types of stories and i feel like it would be a service to some who may be confused on the issue, to explain the situation without the emotional reactionism. i'm not trying to act like mister-smart-guy, but i do know something about this topic.
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