Wow, that would be a interesting ticket

good god, it almost kinda makes sense. except ron paul supporters are all insane. dennis is too logical for them to vote for that ticket. they'd probobly assininate him before the end of january.

You would think it would be the other way considering Paul has all the cash.

come to think of it, a ron paul vice presidency is a death sentance for anyone.

I don't understand the love-affair with Ron Paul. Yes, he's against the war, and he makes more sense than all of the Republican tickets ... but this guy is more of an isolationist than Pat Buchanan!

did you here the MsM schill mention a brothel?

If he actually meant what he said, yes, bye-bye Dennis.

Ron Paul may be against the war, but he is against EVERYTHING Kucinich stands for. This is the looniest statement I've ever heard coming from the Kucinich campaign.

Good God, Kucinich: Again, if it's true, you're telling me that you can't find a decent Democrat anywhere in the United States, and that the best you can find is a republican? Are you insane?

CitizenBoo @ 9:

I don't understand the love-affair with Ron Paul. Yes, he's against the war, and he makes more sense than all of the Republican tickets ... but this guy is more of an isolationist than Pat Buchanan!

think of ron paul as a tonic. as VP he can't put all his ideas into effect...he couldnt even if he was prez. the idea of no IRS, sunshine in the Fed Reserve and no more NAFTA is what we need. read more about ron paul. he has NEVER accepted a pay raise AND he doesn't participate in the congressional healthcare plan.

Thats so lame of him. Thats the first time I've ever been disappointed in Dennis.

Question Blog @ 15:

CitizenBoo @ 9:

I don't understand the love-affair with Ron Paul. Yes, he's against the war, and he makes more sense than all of the Republican tickets ... but this guy is more of an isolationist than Pat Buchanan!

think of ron paul as a tonic. as VP he can't put all his ideas into effect...he couldnt even if he was prez. the idea of no IRS, sunshine in the Fed Reserve and no more NAFTA is what we need. read more about ron paul. he has NEVER accepted a pay raise AND he doesn't participate in the congressional healthcare plan.

I've read a lot about Ron Paul. I've also seen the skinheads that attend his rallies...

Gravel will never speak to him again.

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis....

It's time fer me to start takin' a long hard look at Chris Dodd. What I've seen so far I've liked.

And THERE is the third party this country needs to pull us out of corruption, corporate imperialistic ruin.

They may not ever win, but they'd have my vote in a heartbeat!

Maybe Dennis was just joking around because it would be such a bizarre combination.

me, i'm for Dodd, but before everyone goes and poo-poos this, consider the possiblities if they only concentrated on areas in which they currently have agreement -- areas such as Iraq, foreign intervention and civil liberties. Sounds fine by me. Think outside the box and this ticket is a little appealing.

Besides, the rest of Congress would never let either of them tackle their more ambitious plans. They'd kill all the geese that lay those golden eggs. Can't have that.

mo_dems @ 19:

Question Blog @ 15:

CitizenBoo @ 9:

I don't understand the love-affair with Ron Paul. Yes, he's against the war, and he makes more sense than all of the Republican tickets ... but this guy is more of an isolationist than Pat Buchanan!

think of ron paul as a tonic. as VP he can't put all his ideas into effect...he couldnt even if he was prez. the idea of no IRS, sunshine in the Fed Reserve and no more NAFTA is what we need. read more about ron paul. he has NEVER accepted a pay raise AND he doesn't participate in the congressional healthcare plan.

I've read a lot about Ron Paul. I've also seen the skinheads that attend his rallies...

Ron Paul is no isolationist, I haven't seen the skinheads at his rallies, but I have seen black people like myself at them. Interesting to note I'm sure some are there, as I myself have friends that are Panthers who also support Dr. Paul. It's interesting how many different types of people support Ron Paul.

Even if he's thinking seriously about it....it's just too much. Obama lost my vote yesterday when he favored butchering NASA for educational funding, (as opposed to ending the Iraq war say or shutting down Bush's version of S.D.I.). Call me what names you will but though I am not by any means a single issue voter, since I was 18, (in 1978), I have ever always voted against those who would eviscerate NASA in particular and science in general. The problem with our education system isn't one that money can fix, it's because we are teaching a god damned test instead of subjects. Obama no, Biden no, Richardson no, Kucinich nopt any more.....I have to go with Edwards or Dodd at this point. I won't oppose sHillary if she gets the nomination because while I don't believe that she is the answer, I also don't believe that she would be a disaster either which in light of the current administration would be a very good thing but I won't support her for the nomination. We already have enough Steny Hoyers and Rahm Emanuels.

mo_dems @ 19:

Question Blog @ 15:

CitizenBoo @ 9:

I don't understand the love-affair with Ron Paul. Yes, he's against the war, and he makes more sense than all of the Republican tickets ... but this guy is more of an isolationist than Pat Buchanan!

think of ron paul as a tonic. as VP he can't put all his ideas into effect...he couldnt even if he was prez. the idea of no IRS, sunshine in the Fed Reserve and no more NAFTA is what we need. read more about ron paul. he has NEVER accepted a pay raise AND he doesn't participate in the congressional healthcare plan.

I've read a lot about Ron Paul. I've also seen the skinheads that attend his rallies...

Who is more of an isolationist? Bush who invades nations and refuses to talk to leaders of nations he has an issues with and threatens to use nukes on them. OR. Someone who realizes that "fair" trade and U.S. British Israeli government interference is bad and tyrannical and that ending the war and deplomacy works.

Ron Paul knows who really runs things. Iliminating the Federal Reserve will make it impossible for the U.S. based MIC and there bankers to fund more wars and conflicts. I won't go to much further but I know that there are some people on C&L that know what I'm talking about.

Wow, alot of judgments being cast. In my opinion I think D.K. and or R.P would both make good presidents. They certainly have much higher mental hygiene compared to any of the war mongers. Would Clinton do a better Job? I don't know but the Bush Clinton Dynasty is really getting old. Sr. as vice, then president, then Clinton X2 then Jr. X2, it's getting old. Our economy is in the dumper and it seems everyone is wishfully thinking that somehow any of the existing political tyrants (including all of congress outside a small handful) will make a change in this nation for the better. Didn't learn the lesson in 06? Think a damn thing is going to change with a Clinton, Obama or one of these other rubber stamp goones in office?

I'd try starting all over and attempt thinking again.

mavtek @ 31:

mo_dems @ 19:

Question Blog @ 15:

CitizenBoo @ 9:

think of ron paul as a tonic. as VP he can't put all his ideas into effect...he couldnt even if he was prez. the idea of no IRS, sunshine in the Fed Reserve and no more NAFTA is what we need. read more about ron paul. he has NEVER accepted a pay raise AND he doesn't participate in the congressional healthcare plan.

I've read a lot about Ron Paul. I've also seen the skinheads that attend his rallies...

Ron Paul is no isolationist, I haven't seen the skinheads at his rallies, but I have seen black people like myself at them. Interesting to note I'm sure some are there, as I myself have friends that are Panthers who also support Dr. Paul. It's interesting how many different types of people support Ron Paul.

Now that I don't believe. No black men - 95 percent of whom Ron Paul has said in a constituent newsletter - support Ron Paul. And absolutely no Panthers. Not Black Panthers, no Carolina Panthers, either. Absolutely none.

I don't beleive you're black, either, just posing as one online to make a favorable Paul comment. And that tells me that YOU are racist. your support of Paul made that obvious to begin with, though

Apropos a possible left-right symbiosis to such a ticket. This just out on this crucial issue:

"Supporters of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul deserve credit for being among the first to be aware of and vocal about H.R. 1955. Now, it seems there is a burgeoning movement to pressure the 17-member Senate Committee for Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (a complete member list is below) to kill the bill."

http://www.indypendent.org/2007/11/27/homegrown-terrorism-update/

We should all be calling our US senators to kill S. 1959, the senate counterpart of this terrible bill.

Andy K @ 364:

Justin @ 359-

These Paul threads are busy at whatever blog posts 'em. He's a polarizin' figure. He's all things to all people. Sorry, but he's like Stupor Mundi in that respect. Outside of Iraq, he talks about reform that he can't make without the help of what would certainly be a hostile Congress. He couldn't just cut Congress' salary. He's anti-EPA. He's anti-Department of Education. He's anti-Universal Healthcare. He's anti-Union. To a progressive like myself this is unacceptable. Because, basically, he's anti-me. And if Ron Paul wants my vote, he'd better be the most pro-Andy K candidate out there.

And ya know what pisses me off about Paul supporters? They come here and expect me not to notice the differences. At least the supporters of the GOP candidates know better than to come to C&L and act as if I don't know the differences between Freddie Thompson and Barak Obama.

Okay, I gotta be up in 7 hours. GNA!

Wow how uninformed of you... #1) Many of us Ron Paul supporters that come here have been here and at places like ThinkProgress for several years. We have always been here. The democrats failed... now it is time to support Ron Paul as we all should have long ago. #2) Ron Paul in one of his YouTube video interviews says that Unions are A OK ... because a free people can make their own private contracts between each other and their employers how they please... #3) He is anti corrupt Federal government ... He is not against schools ... or clean environment... just wants to solve those problems in better ways...

How can the people on this site (after bashing bushie trolls for the past several years) act just like them now with strawmen arguments because they refuse to go to YouTube and educate themselves.... pretty pathetic... I guess you guys didnt mean all that stuff you were saying to the neocon trolls over the past several years... it was really all about scoring points for the democrat team or just hating bush... too bad...

Come on Dennis, I like you too much for this kind of creepy talk. You just can't be serious with this man who is against most everything you stand for.

Don't let the foolish signs posted all over the place cloud your mind. These are a few idiots, that have no freaking idea of what this man will do, if he were to be elected to the office of President.

We have got to look at a person for more then just ending the illegal war and yes he says he wants to restore habious corpus (i know its wrong but so what), but there is a right wing hidden agenda behind even that and God help all of us if he is allowed to finish dismantling our Government and turning it over to the rest of these corporate criminals and his warped idea of revamping our tax policy, just makes you cringe. We really need to get better educated on politics and policy in this country or we are going to continue to endure the Bushes of the world, running our country.

Tune into The great Ray Tal and Bernie Ward of KGO and Ed Shultz, Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartman, Robert Kennedy/Mike Papentino and Sam Sedar, Keith Oberman is no joke either on MSNBC and others on the Progressive net works of Air America and NovaM. These people do a wonderful job of educating us on the issues. These progressive blogs are pretty good too.

But a Kos "democratic libertarian" is just plane sane!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=outfoxed&t...

phayce @ 366:

PS - Which, incidentally, passed the House 404 to 6, with 3 Republicans (Ron Paul not voting) and 3 Democrats (including Kucinich) voting against.

Any time you see a vote in the House that is nearly unanimous, that means that it doesn't do anything.

This bill establishes a study group. Wow. How will we ever stay out of the FEMA camps then, eh?

Paul in LA, a supposedly "progressive". I didn't know progressives were this hostile to other progressives, or to new ideas and way to look at things.

I'm not the one attacking one of our own. Paul in friggin LA does that every day on every topic that is slightly critical of Democrats. He might hide behind claiming to be a realist etc., but everything he says convinces me that he isn't really here to help progressive and liberal ideas.

A spade still looks like a spade to me.

In typical authoritarian fashion, his me-too, smart-a** friends come to the rescue and shout down the opposition. i live in Europe, and if you guys are the pinnacle of the progressive movement over there, America certainly is no farther from tyranny with anti-social arrogant drones like Paul in LA "spreading the word".

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'MERICA
DESERVES
A THIRD
PARTY
TICKET!

This could be it.

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Paul in LA @ 374:

john in california @ 360:

Well, Paul, if you want rummy to stand trial, shouldn't all the dems who voted for this illegal war also stand trial? Just askin'...

WHEN did they vote for this illegal war? They did not. The Iraq resolution did NOT approve an invasion. It required both an additional ruling by the UNSC, and additional briefings of Congress (with additional authorization). Attacking Iraq was NOT fighting international terrorism, but in fact an instance of such.

The Iraq Resolution authorized Bush to use military force, but not explicitly a full out invasion. There was NO requirement for an additional ruling by the UNSC before military action could be taken. There were however required briefings every 60 days... Here's the text:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.

SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.

(a) <> Reports.--The President shall, at least
once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant
to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the
exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning
for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are
completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq
Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338).

Kucinich must not have gotten the memo that Paul wants to get rid of all taxes, the department of education, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc.

wow...first UFO's and now this? I want to get behind Kucinich, but he is a little bit of a nut.

Troy @ 381 "There was NO requirement for an additional ruling by the UNSC before military action could be taken."

You are quoting the final bill.

The Spratt Amendment

Required U.N. Security Council authorization for any use of force against Iraq. In the event that the Security Council would not authorize use of force, the President would be required to come back to Congress for a second vote before acting unilaterally. Sponsored by Rep. John Spratt (D-SC).

Defeated 155 - 270.

147 of that 155 were Democrats. (Ron Paul voted for this one too)

(The Senate version was the final House version, without amendment).

The Resolution attempts to authorize enforcement of UNSC rulings, in direct violation of the UN Charter, which directly bars separate enforcement of UN Resolutions.

Actual complicity in Bush's warcrimes would be required for a warcrimes trial, and just voting for the Iraq Resolution in itself is not inherently a warcrime.

This would be the most progressive presidential ticket; when it goes forward. (DK-RP).

Both have something in common....Military use for only self defense.....Read/analyze intelligence report before making hasty decision to go to WAR.

Wow, this thread got kind of amusing. Too much FUD to try to respond to, but one thing is for certain; this is how we end up with a John Kerry as a nominee, and lose to a moron like Bush. If it comes down to a mainstream-media approved candidate, I'll write in Harold Stassen ...

celsius @ 377:

Paul in LA, a supposedly "progressive". I didn't know progressives were this hostile to other progressives, or to new ideas and way to look at things.

I'm not the one attacking one of our own. Paul in friggin LA does that every day on every topic that is slightly critical of Democrats. He might hide behind claiming to be a realist etc., but everything he says convinces me that he isn't really here to help progressive and liberal ideas.

A spade still looks like a spade to me.

In typical authoritarian fashion, his me-too, smart-a** friends come to the rescue and shout down the opposition. i live in Europe, and if you guys are the pinnacle of the progressive movement over there, America certainly is no farther from tyranny with anti-social arrogant drones like Paul in LA "spreading the word".

Party before country for that guy.

Paul in LA @ 386:

Michael Martin @ 384 "Firstly, if you're going to accuse someone of being a FACIST you must learn how to spell it AND what it means.
In what way is Ron Paul a facist?"

I don't believe Ron Paul is a fascist, but you really should apply your own medicine.

Okay. If i must defend original English, i will.
Here are a few of my favorite books along with links to them. Please check the Author's choice of spelling of a certain word.

SOCIALISM AND FACISM 1931- 1939 (Hardcover)

http://www.amazon.com/SOCIALISM-FACISM-1931-1939-COLE/dp/B000S6917E/ref=...

Phoenix: Facism in Our Time (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Facism-Time-Gregor/dp/0765808552/ref=sr_1_...

THE MARCH OF FACISM (Hardcover)

http://www.amazon.com/MARCH-FACISM-Stephen-Raushenbush/dp/B000FLGAU8/ref...

That last one was released by YALE University. Yeah, bunch of misspelling morons come outta there, huh?
So, let's waste everyone's time giggling that someone typed something incorrect that they indeed did not.
There is the option of spelling it incorrectly.
IE : Fascism. Some people choose to use lazy incorrect English.
Others choose to defend the lazy incorrect English and feel superior for it.
In the end, it doesn't really matter, now does it.
My original point was that the person leaving that post had not one leg to stand on in comparing Ron Paul to a facist.
Well, there ya go, chuckle-heads. Now go waste some of your time (as you have wasted mine) on narrow-minded arguments about nothing.
You guys here act like politics is an episode of Seinfeld.
"Can you believe what that Dennis Guy did today... i mean really, that guy is wacko..... I'm not sure he's even Jewish. If he's not circumsized then he hasn't got the balls to be president!"

Sheeesh.

Michael Martin @ 393 "Okay. If i must defend original English, i will."

Original English, eh? I'm sorry, I don't have a runic keyboard.

I do believe, however, that you are making a French error.

The facism you claim exists is probably façism.

po @ 29:

me, i'm for Dodd, but before everyone goes and poo-poos this, consider the possiblities if they only concentrated on areas in which they currently have agreement -- areas such as Iraq, foreign intervention and civil liberties. Sounds fine by me. Think outside the box and this ticket is a little appealing.

Besides, the rest of Congress would never let either of them tackle their more ambitious plans. They'd kill all the geese that lay those golden eggs. Can't have that.

Another good thing...it forces the msm to talk about Rep. Kucinich's candidacy. Haven't heard much from them until now...

seagull.girl @ 37:

po @ 29:

me, i'm for Dodd, but before everyone goes and poo-poos this, consider the possiblities if they only concentrated on areas in which they currently have agreement -- areas such as Iraq, foreign intervention and civil liberties. Sounds fine by me. Think outside the box and this ticket is a little appealing.

Besides, the rest of Congress would never let either of them tackle their more ambitious plans. They'd kill all the geese that lay those golden eggs. Can't have that.

Another good thing...it forces the msm to talk about Rep. Kucinich's candidacy. Haven't heard much from them until now...

Yeah, maybe Dennis is taking a clue from the blogs: if you want to increase your traffic, mention that little kook from Texas.

What's Dennis smoking? Cause it doesn't sound like the good shyt...

Has anyone even asked Ron Paul what he thinks about this? Might want to do that before having the ballots printed.

specsaregood @ 30:

mo_dems @ 19:

I've read a lot about Ron Paul. I've also seen the skinheads that attend his rallies...

Come on now. Don't buy the lies. "Skinheads" and "racists" make up at most 1% of his support. I've been to the rallies and I've met well over 1000 Ron Paul supporters personally (Talked to them). Guess what. Not a single skinhead or racist in the bunch.

Feel free to disagree with Ron Paul, but don't just buy this "only supported by racists" crap. I am certainly not racist.

This could be apart of Cointellpro and the skinhead was a passive agent provocateur. They are starting to try dirty tricks now.

Oh relax people. Dennis Kucinich has not announced such a thing. He just says they are good friends and may be THINKING about Ron Paul.

You guys always fall for the media tactics.
You overlook what Dennis Kucinich is trying to accomplish. Impeachment, universal healthcare, remember those little things called ISSUES.

I'm surprised Crooks and Liars is falling for this crap.
What's really disturbing is Cheney/Bush war criminals are still in the White House and the Democratic congress is still giving them money for WAR.

And also that the top 3 democratic contenders will owe so much to the big corporations that you can kiss away all those pesky issues their promising you right now.

So yes let's keep laughing about Dennis Kucinich, because he's really the crazy one.

By the way the Kucinich camp is trying to raise 1 million dollars by the 29th of this month.
Help him out, so he can bring some sense back into White House, the Congress, and media.

395 Paul in LA Says

Paul's a funny guy. ;)
With a sense of humor like that you'd think he'd vote for Ron Paul.
I wonder...
No, wait.. Ron Paul is a faschisst.
Hey, i spell it like it sounds.
And, that makes it right. ;)

The facism you claim exists is probably façism

395 Paul in LA Says

I love this guy. I provide links to important works on the subject. There are thousands of other examples. And, his argument appears to be that i 'claim' that facism exists....
I see he also has a problem with 'French' language as well. Equating it with an error.
Whew. I'm getting a headache here... I made a 'French Error' he said.... :)
I like this guy. He's silly.

Am i arguing a point in circles to try to draw attention away from a debate?
Me?
NOOOOOOOO!

This is fun.

RON PAUL RULES!
FASCHISSM IS FOR FOOLS!
WHOO HOOOO!!!

Paul,

You have it nailed. Kucinch is done. This seems like a hail Mary pass by the Kucinich campaign, to gain bi-partisan votes during the stretch run of the race. Not the best way to win your party's vote.....not at all.

Paul in LA @ 400:

Michael Martin @ 397 "No, wait.. Ron Paul is a faschisst.
Hey, i spell it like it sounds.And, that makes it right. ;)

Let me spell it out:

The English word 'fascist' is a direct representation from Italian. The word in Italian is pronounced that way. Mussolini coined the term in 1921.

Façist(e) is the French spelling of the word. When you see that in scholarly books, you are seeing a French word, not an English word.

Ron Paul is batshit crazy. I wouldn't vote for him in a million years.

Hmmm. so you DO have a problem with the French??

Do you have a problem with my friend ,THE www.inspectorclouseau.com ?

Because, if you do i will have an Asian man waiting for you under your car later...

By-the-way, you have good points, but you are wrong about when he coined the word :

Mussolini founded the fascist movement on March 23, 1919 at a meeting in Milan's Piazza San Sepolcro. Among the founding members were the revolutionary syndicalist leaders Agostino Lanzillo and Michele Bianchi.

It's kind of hard to 'found' a fa(s)cist movement if fa(s)cism doesn't yet exist, eh?

I know, i know. I'm an idjit.
Correct me if I'm wrong....
R WE STIL TLKING ABOT PLITCS?

Consumer @ 404:

You folks here should really be ashamed of yourselves.

Shame troll cannot explain why Kucinich is wrecking his campaign by tying himself to arch-extremist Ron Paul.

I fully expect Kucinich to backpedal this tomorrow.

Ah, here it is:

The government rarely interfered. The Fascisti grew so rapidly that within two years [by 1921], it transformed itself into the National Fascist Party at a congress in Rome. -- wikipedia

That's why 1921.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fascist

Mr. Blade @ 71:

If Kucinich was president and he banned firearms, someone would pick his little ass up and set him aside and really start rape us for what ever we had left.

You have to look at other nations to see what happends when governments get to powerful. Try protesting then, trying saying no then. You'll get shot in the face. Look at China, Paskistan, Marumar.

We have a right to say NO. The public is like a beatiful woman, and the government is like a horny man.

The woman must be able to defend herself. No means no. Don't get raped.

What a crock of shit. You really think this is how it happens ? People shooting the police, and then the government just gives up ? "Oh well, they're shooting at us, i guess we can't do anything..." And by the way, why don't YOU guys begin shooting the police ? Don't you think it's about time you oppose the government in more rigorous ways ?

i meant assurance of safety of course*

I just want to hammer the point once more.
Just because you have a gun, it does not mean you are free.
The federal state is much more powerful in weaponry, much more powerful than the citizens are.
You may have a gun, but you do not stand a chance against the federal state.
You may have a gun, but you do not even see the wrongs of this over-powerful government.
You only think to yourself : "If only Democrats were in charge".

That's nonsense. This is a CAUCUS GOVERNMENT. The party or caucus with the most votes gets to pass laws and manage affairs.

The only way to remove Bush is to have a large enough caucus. We don't have that yet.

The leftist idea, by contrast, is that having a strong enough riposte is sufficient. And the wingnuts think that rhetoric is an excuse.

All that bit about guns is nonsense. I don't know of any liberal who sits around worshipping his guns. But this is a heavily armed society. This is not 2003, and even a second terrorist attack isn't going to fix Bush's numbers.

littlehorn @ 409 "And by the way, why don't YOU guys begin shooting the police ? Don't you think it's about time you oppose the government in more rigorous ways ?"

What makes you think the police are the government?

We have a dictator, because one party and corrupt media and the military/energy sectors (worldwide, btw) are so corrupt their boardrooms are lined with skulls.

Isn't it time you got right with the Lord, brother?

why is the MSM going big with Pauls endorsement from a brothel owner ? it's not like Paul instigated it, he can't help whos endorses him ffs, msm trying to smear one of the genuine candidates.

Still here. Still wastin' time.
Sittin' by the dock of E-bay.
SH*T
I am an old man.
But, hey, I am learning a LOT about faschissm!

Plus, i am 'righteously' upset.
That is such a cool comment.
I am 'righteous'.
Thank you for coming up with that Paul, my man.

P.S. - Remember this old ditty when U vote : DA DO RON RON RON, DA DO RON RON!
Some say he's as crazy as batshit (Paul in LA), but i say Batshit is well-grounded. Batshit never started a dictatorship. I DEFY you to find one pile of Batshit that ever started its' own Holocaust. I mean, the smell is deadly, but that is NOT the fault of Batshit. It is an acceptable risk.

Paul in LA @ 408:

marbotty @ 391 "Party before country for that guy."

Hey, Space Cadet, that's YOUR guy's party: REPUBLICAN.

Got so much blood in their shoes that Ron Paul should have left the party if he had had any courage.

Looks like Dennis is, but looks can be deceiving. He's going to get a talking to, and then he will back off from that unwise offer.

Not sure what your post means.

Here's what I was responding to: I’m not the one attacking one of our own. Paul in friggin LA does that every day on every topic that is slightly critical of Democrats.

I have yet to see you act in any other way that would lead me to believe that Celsius's observation is incorrect. You seem to appear only when there's an attack on democrat leadership, or when there's an opportunity to rail on the more progressive wing of the democratic party.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but I can respect the fact that he has had a consistent (and consistently correct) record when it comes to the constitution and the Iraq War.

This is clearly what attracts Kucinich to him. From a political standpoint, it's not the best strategy for winning the election for Kucinich to consider him a running mate.

Outside of the game, though, these are exactly the sort of people on these two issues, anyway that progressives should be aligning with. Hagel may be another.

But since the two have an "R" next to their name, you appear to dismiss them out of hand.

What's worse is that the majority of the Dem candidates and leadership seem more concerned with "winning" than with what's doing what's right with regard to Iraq, Iran and our civil rights, so they creep more and more the the right. And you're the one on the sideline, cheering them on - because it's so important that we win the election, it doesn't matter what principles are compromised in the process.

Michael Martin-

Facism? Ce c'est craque.(sorry, english keyboard- no cedillas, accents grave or aigu)

It is fascism in english.

Andy K @ 425:

Michael Martin-

Facism? Ce c'est craque.(sorry, english keyboard- no cedillas, accents grave or aigu)

It is fascism in english.

Yes, i know that. I am having fun with the simple-minded folk.
It's quite easy to bait them with comments.
I pop back in every now and then and see that they are still distracted by my comments.
I used to do this years ago here.
Under the tag 'comic insult dog'.
Ah, the good old days.

Ooops, did i just out myself?
Nah, most of these folks can't read past the 1st line of posts anyway.
Now, FLAME AWAY FLAMERS!

Fa(s)cism is bad!
Ron Paul is rad!
VOTE RON PAUL Y'ALL!

Paul in LA @ 380:

rockyb @ 354 "Dr. Paul sees a threat coming. This is why we have sent him to congress. I live in his district."

This is a key fact you should disclose when you post about him. He is already your representative.

I think you should replace him with a Democrat. Rep. RP doesn't seem to influence his caucus at all. He seems to have no real influence on anything that goes through Congress, though he fostered an amendment (with arch-bigot Jesse Helms in the Senate) to authorize Bush to attack Holland by force to remove any American apprehended and held for violation of international treaties which are U.S. law.

He has also sponsored a bill to withdraw from the U.N.

Perhaps Republicans in your district are wacko rightwing enough to buy the attacks on the U.N. and share the desire of Ron Paul to abrogate and dismantle the United Nations treaty, then I think you are seriously unamerican in the Jeffersonian sense.

The United Nations is the repository of ALL of our warcrimes law. It is the reason why we haven't had a nuclear conflict since its founding.

RP's bill against the UN is so heinous from a Democratic standpoint, that I tend to believe, in my currrent anger, that Rep. Kucinich should be condemned for today's amazing message of disaffiliation from long-established party positions.

Paul, Ill tell you a story from when I was a democrat and supported Ron Paul. Now I am Independent.
In 02 Dr. Paul was ready to run for his 8th term in congress. There was one challenger and he was a Democrat.
The Republicans, by this time, were so fed up with Rons ROGUE votes to their party, they approached the Democrat and asked him to switch parties and run on the Republican ticket, UNOPPOSED!
This was great! The Dem saw his chance, the dems up to this point could never Beat Ron.
They lost by a wide margin in this left leaning district.
Well, the only problem with the Republicans plan, was that Dr. Paul never agreed to this.
He went up against this Democrat, turned Republican. Ron Paul won with 65% of the vote...The largest ever recorded in his campaigns.
The neocons were greatly embarrassed! So were the Democrats. He made them look like fools.
The Republicans raised $1 million dollars to beat him, and they failed!
They were beaten by this conservative from their own district, despite their trickery.
Like I said, the neo cons and Democrats have felt the sting from Dr. Paul once before.
He is very tight, very shrewd and very SMART.
He knows how to beat these people. He has been their neighbor for 40 years..
You will see his wrath at these neocons very soon.
He does not like the spending habits of Democrats otherwise he would be one.
I agree.
Dr. Paul does not oppose these programs entirely, he only opposes the fact that no one gives a way to pay for them....They spend and spend, and he sees we go into more debt and more debt.
He realizes, above all else, this is what will be the failure of America.
We need to close the purse strings to those who have become dependent on government and show them there is another way. At least if we put programs together, we must PAY for them.
WE MUST NOT CONTINUE TO ACCRUE THIS DEBT.
THIS WILL BE OUR DEMISE.
Ron is very tight fisted.
He will write our economy a prescription only the founding fathers could have.

I like it.

Rusty Shackleford @ 39:

seagull.girl @ 37:

po @ 29:

Yeah, maybe Dennis is taking a clue from the blogs: if you want to increase your traffic, mention that little kook from Texas.

Ross Perot?

pissed off patricia @ 43:

Has anyone even asked Ron Paul what he thinks about this? Might want to do that before having the ballots printed.

They asked him but he just started rambling about the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, and the typos that render the 16th Amendment invalid.

Sorry, but this is worse than Kooch seeing UFOs.

I'll take it. I am antiwar, a patriot and this crazy blend of radical progressive and radical conservative strikes me as as good as any other combo.

Radical Definition: Arising from or going to a root or source; basic: proposed a radical solution to the problem.

pissed off patricia @ 43:

Has anyone even asked Ron Paul what he thinks about this? Might want to do that before having the ballots printed.

Kucinich is a socialist. Kucinich also wants to disarm the people and ban firearms. There is a reason to why it is in the bill of rights. The state (goverments) killed 200 million people last century alone.

Britain is quickly becoming a police state they gave up their guns and now only the jackboot thugs and criminals have the guns. Ron Paul knows that an informed powerful armed middleclass keeps both sides inc heck.

CitizenBoo @ 9:

I don't understand the love-affair with Ron Paul. Yes, he's against the war, and he makes more sense than all of the Republican tickets ... but this guy is more of an isolationist than Pat Buchanan!

Since you might not know what the word "isolationist" means, I looked it up for you:

Isolationist: "A person who advocates a national policy of abstaining from political or economic relations with other countries. Alongside, an isolationist promotes protectionism - that there should be legal barriers to control trade and cultural exchange with people in other states."

In other words, Isolationism = Non-interventionism + Protectionism

Ron Paul is FOR unrestricted free trade and freedom of travel for all individuals to ALL countries, entangling alliances with none. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist who is in favor of free trade and travel with all.

"It is not we non-interventionists who are isolationsists. The real isolationists are those who impose sanctions and embargoes on countries and peoples across the globe because they disagree with the internal and foreign policies of their leaders. The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seek change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example." -Ron Paul, Oct 9, 2007

The media has tried to box Ron Paul into the word "isolationist." It couldn't be further from the truth.

OliverDreams @ 46:

Ok, I could live with Edwards/Dodd

But I still think Kucinich is da man.

I don't know, didn't we try a southern man and a CT man once before with Gore Liebermann? How'd that turn out again?! :)

OK I like Dodd, and cringed violently when Lieberman was named VP.

Paul had to be a joke people, Dennis just got over the Shirley UFO nightmare!

@13 Lollimom
“Ron Paul may be against the war, but he is against EVERYTHING Kucinich stands for.”

Kucinich and Paul, while holding very different political philosophies, share a common independence from special interests. In the current political context, this in itself would be reason enough to support them. I would welcome ideological divergence within a ticket if it meant the candidates were not subservient to Israel, the military/security complex, pharmaceutical, insurance, and energy lobbies.

Kinda reminds me of the rumor going around that should Hillary be the Dem nominee,
she would seriously consider Chuck Hagel as her running mate; but that rumor, if
anywhere near accurate, is much, much more understandable and wise as far as I
am concerned.

OliverDreams @ 52:

Conan @ 47:

Oh relax people. Dennis Kucinich has not announced such a thing. He just says they are good friends and may be THINKING about Ron Paul.

You guys always fall for the media tactics.
You overlook what Dennis Kucinich is trying to accomplish. Impeachment, universal healthcare, remember those little things called ISSUES.

I'm surprised Crooks and Liars is falling for this crap.
What's really disturbing is Cheney/Bush war criminals are still in the White House and the Democratic congress is still giving them money for WAR.

And also that the top 3 democratic contenders will owe so much to the big corporations that you can kiss away all those pesky issues their promising you right now.

So yes let's keep laughing about Dennis Kucinich, because he's really the crazy one.

By the way the Kucinich camp is trying to raise 1 million dollars by the 29th of this month.
Help him out, so he can bring some sense back into White House, the Congress, and media.

True, and well said. Kucinich 08

Conan @ 47:

Oh relax people. Dennis Kucinich has not announced such a thing. He just says they are good friends and may be THINKING about Ron Paul.

You guys always fall for the media tactics.
You overlook what Dennis Kucinich is trying to accomplish. Impeachment, universal healthcare, remember those little things called ISSUES.

I'm surprised Crooks and Liars is falling for this crap.
What's really disturbing is Cheney/Bush war criminals are still in the White House and the Democratic congress is still giving them money for WAR.

And also that the top 3 democratic contenders will owe so much to the big corporations that you can kiss away all those pesky issues their promising you right now.

So yes let's keep laughing about Dennis Kucinich, because he's really the crazy one.

By the way the Kucinich camp is trying to raise 1 million dollars by the 29th of this month.
Help him out, so he can bring some sense back into White House, the Congress, and media.

The Kooooch still has my vote so far, and I will be donating again to his campaign this week..(spend that 50 bucks wisely Dennis! It's all I can give at the moment) I hate being poor!

Well, I have to call up the Kucinich campaign about some stuff I ordered from them. I think I'll have to ask about this while I've got someone on the line. This seems like a very bad idea and I'm really hoping Dennis isn't serious about this. Sure, they're both big on the Constitution, but, in my opinion, they seem to regard it in very different ways, and Dennis's way is the way I prefer. I really really liked the guy and I don't want to have to give up on him just yet.

If Kucinich was president and he banned firearms, someone would pick his little ass up and set him aside and really start rape us for what ever we had left.

You have to look at other nations to see what happends when governments get to powerful. Try protesting then, trying saying no then. You'll get shot in the face. Look at China, Paskistan, Marumar.

We have a right to say NO. The public is like a beatiful woman, and the government is like a horny man.

The woman must be able to defend herself. No means no. Don't get raped.

BTW: I also thought I would mention a study was done to see where the donations came from for Dr. Paul.
97% of his campaign contributions were from individuals.
That statement in itself is HUGE in this oil district we live in.
He also gets the farmers votes, even though, he has never voted to support "Farm Subsidies'...
Maybe you could tell me why?
How is it that a man that has never brought an earmark to Galveston, Never voted to accept farm subsidies and does not support big oil companies can win in a district like ours?

I will answer that for you...

He tells the truth, and he is trusted.
Even though he tells us to NEVER trust government, we trust him.
We love him and we are proud of him.
We are proud of the votes he makes and we are proud of his character that defines us in the house of representatives.
His friends are statesmen also.
People like Dennis Kucinich and Bernie sanders.
He has Barry Goldwater Jrs endorsement and he has never led us through scandal or embarrassment.
He has been reelected 10 times with never a defeat to the house.
He has sworn to NEVER tax or control internet.
He has said he will hold new hearings on 911 and said the American people must always question their government.
He wants election reform, after his libertarian run in 88 he realized how unfair the two parties have made it for a true leader to get in th office.
He will not accept paid retirement or junkettes (SP)

He has 5 children that put themselves through school and were not allowed to take government paid scholarships(3 were offered).
He walks the walk.
You can refer to him as right wing.
This would be a mistake.
He is hated by the right wing.
He is hated by Christian Conservatives.
They will not even hand out his leaflets at their rallies.
They leave his name off mailers.

WAKE UP.

Besides can you explain these votes or ideas by the Democratic front runner, Hillary Clinton?

Please explain your parties capitulation to endless war.
I would like to hear your explanation for their wiretap bill and their confirming of a death soldier into the justice dept...
Please explain.
I need to know the reason for the following to endless war and doing the bidding of this rogue regime.
Something Ron Paul is viciously against, as seen in the debates.
He confronts these people.
He is privy to their way of government.
He disagrees.
He will win.
He has the power of the people.
The neos have gone up against him before and felt his bite.
Wait till they see what is in store for them...
Just you wait!!!

:)

Please explain these votes paul in LA.

MILITARY COMMISSIONS. RP NO.....HC YES
PATRIOT ACT 1.. RP NO ..........HC YES
PATRIOT ACT 2. .RP NO ..........HC YES.
IRAQ WAR.. .RP NO.........HC YES
WAR WITH IRAN. .RP NO.........HC YES.
WIRETAPPING. .RP NO.........HC YES
INCREASED AID TO ISRAEL. RP NO.....HC. YES
EMINENT DOMAIN..RP..NO.........HC.. NV
NAFTA.........RP..NO...........HC..YES
CAFTA.........RP..NO...........HC..YES
IMF...........RP..NO...........HC..YES
WORLD BANK....RP..NO...........HC..YES
WTO...........RP..NO...........HC..YES
NORTH AMERICAN UNION..RP..NO...HC..?
NATIONAL ID....RP..NO..........HC..YES
IMMIGRANT DRIVERS LICENSE..RP..NO..HC..YES

These votes are those of a neocon...(neo lib).
This is exactly how GWB would vote.

Is this not a MAJOR factor in considering candidacy?

Paul supporters take this news and don't find it a threat to their own candidate. They didn't feel betrayed when Paul mentioned Kucinich as someone he respected. They seem more able to recognize the "big picture" than Kucinich supporters, who seem more focused on "my team" vs. "yours".