GOP Netroots flops again

As much as they try to put on a happy face, their interest in having an active roll in politics is limited to attacking brown people. Case in point. The NRCC started a YouTube contest five weeks ago:

(T)he NRCC launched a project to get supporters to create their own campaign videos attacking Democrats. If successful, this project would defy a pattern where Republican grassroots activists never take action into their own hands.

The NRCC also said:

After the judging panel views the videos, the top five videos will be hosted on NRCC.org and voted on by the general public.

They only got "FIVE" submissions...Chris Bowers votes for...

 



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Friggin hilarious!

NRCC=wankers who's videos should be mocked.

Then again we don't want their videos to get any awards so maybe ignoring their youtube vids is the best course of actions.

They only got “FIVE” submissions…

The NRCC page says they received "over 13,000 entries and votes" -- how many of each?

So Cool Dudes on the Democratic Congress automatically wins ...

$500 Apple Gift Card, a press release distributed to political news outlets across the country, and an on-camera interview to be aired and distributed on NRCC TV. ...

Is that right?

bughunter @ 3:

They only got “FIVE” submissions…

The NRCC page says they received "over 13,000 entries and votes" -- how many of each?

No...that was for the slogan... now they want a web ad.

Cut me off for OT.

20 years from now.

Lots of things suck. The world economy is in a mess.

Someone wants to be POTUS.

Many in pain.

But U.S. corporations doing OK.

So MSM tells Americans all is OK and if they don't vote, they are failing to exercise their consitutional rights.

Wow! Those guys should be writing for the Half Hour Comedy Hour!

I'm surprised they got any at all and that the five they got weren't all
from the same person. Republicans are totally devoid of ideas and
creativity.

Republicans a re very wary of un-scripted life in general. They need direction. Proof in point: I once opened an art gallery show for a friend. Everytime a Republican came in we could hear a loud screeching sound that we thought at first was the door hinges. It wasn't. It was their sphincter muscles tightning.

They live in fear poor darlings.

Attack. Thats all these Republican morons can do. Attack! Attack! Attack! And their own people no less. Americans.

I hope God righteously smites these pathetic morons and soon.

Five submissions????

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAA!

GOP Netroots = Oxymoron.

VietVet8666 @ 6:

So MSM tells Americans all is OK and if they don't vote, they are failing to exercise their consitutional rights.

They are also, IMHO, shirking their responsibility as a citizen to participate in the direction of the country.

=my2c

BC

Jo @ 9:

Republicans a re very wary of un-scripted life in general. They need direction. Proof in point: I once opened an art gallery show for a friend. Everytime a Republican came in we could hear a loud screeching sound that we thought at first was the door hinges. It wasn't. It was their sphincter muscles tightning.

They live in fear poor darlings.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh man that deserves a C+L classic post of the day award.

L.A. Confidential @ 13:

Jo @ 9:

Republicans a re very wary of un-scripted life in general. They need direction. Proof in point: I once opened an art gallery show for a friend. Everytime a Republican came in we could hear a loud screeching sound that we thought at first was the door hinges. It wasn't. It was their sphincter muscles tightning.

They live in fear poor darlings.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh man that deserves a C+L classic post of the day award.

Praise from you is praise indeed. I am humbled.

NRCC Challenge: Come up with a slogan. Winner: "Has the Democratic Congress worked for you?" Next NRCC Challenge: Take that slogan and create a web ad.

So the contest is called "Your Direction." But it has to be with their slogan. Guess it's your direction as long as you go were you're lead and do what you're told.

How about using the slogan and note all the blocking done by Republican's in congress and Bush vetoing popular bills?

Rowdy @ 5:

bughunter @ 3:

They only got “FIVE” submissions…

The NRCC page says they received "over 13,000 entries and votes" -- how many of each?

No...that was for the slogan... now they want a web ad.

Correct, except it should be 'wanted a web ad.' The deadline for the contest has passed, and they promised that 5 winners would each get a "$500 Apple Gift Card, a press release distributed to political news outlets across the country, and an on-camera interview to be aired and distributed on NRCC TV."

But they only got 5 entries, and at least one of them was two guys mocking republicans.

Awwww. Poor little netturds. Their party is over, and they are despondent.

But they only got 5 entries, and at least one of them was two guys mocking republicans.

I get the feeling not everybody commenting here has watched Chris Bowers' choice through to the bitter end.

IMO, those on the left and those on the right are separated mostly by perceptions.

Put a lefty and a righty in a foxhole.

Watch what happens.

I lean left but lean toward what I believe the truth.

I just got another petition from American Service Council (which strangely sounds like American Friends Service Council -- odd that) which I am to fill out with my $50 donation -- to try to save English.

Surely there is no more pressing issue. What, for instance, would you make of this: "pqoiwhglaskngpaosihnhetklintaldkngkljabn kjbgtkjbepoibndllkjnte,tn?"

You wouldn't know what to do. What if all our street signs were in Arabic? Think about it.

But, luckily, I can wiki the AFC, and find this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Voice_(USA)

Oops, sorry Quakers, --ASC--, and the link is a bit fudged (click through the US disambiguation).

VietVet8666 @ 19:

IMO, those on the left and those on the right are separated mostly by perceptions.

You misspelled BIGOTRY.

Goseph Gerbils @ 18:

But they only got 5 entries, and at least one of them was two guys mocking republicans.

I get the feeling not everybody commenting here has watched Chris Bowers' choice through to the bitter end.

Yeah, I agree.

headsup, the two guys in the youtube are NOT republican friendly. lol

I want to see the NRCC honor their contest rules and give them a $500 apple gift card, a distributed press release and on camera interview.

Paul in LA @ 22:

VietVet8666 @ 19:

IMO, those on the left and those on the right are separated mostly by perceptions.

You misspelled BIGOTRY.

Paul, I do not dispute bigotry (sp?) on the right.

justabill @ 23 "headsup, the two guys in the youtube are NOT republican friendly. lol"

Really? How can you tell?

Even Terri Schiavo is laughing.

VietVet8666 @ 24 "Paul, I do not dispute bigotry (sp?) on the right."

Good, then you have the main difference between the left and the right. THEY DO.

Whoa... that's the best Republicans can do?! What's wrong with respecting Other cultures? It's better than killing them.... And trying to end the war instead of focusing on a stupid NYT ad, what's wrong with that?! (although the Dems did waste time on it).

At first I honestly thought they were Democrats in disguise - They sounded very sarcastic to me at first.

I love American elections. Ours are a little boring because none of our leaders have any charisma and no one cares about their personal lives, so it is all about policies and the promises they make. It sounds good, except they don't deliver on their promises either. So we miss out on both fun and actual progress.

Lisa @ 27:

Whoa... that's the best Republicans can do?! What's wrong with respecting Other cultures? It's better than killing them.... And trying to end the war instead of focusing on a stupid NYT ad, what's wrong with that?! (although the Dems did waste time on it).

At first I honestly thought they were Democrats in disguise - They sounded very sarcastic to me at first. [...]

Did you even watch the video all the way through? Your "At first" impression was correct.

Only found 2 that seem to be earnest. This one asks the sanctioned question and comes up with the answer "apparently not". Talk about hard-hitting! And this one has a girl claiming she researched the Internet, library and newspapers and came up with NOTHING! Now that's as convincing as yellow-cake from Nigeria.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAA!

Thing Fish @ 29:

Only found 2 that seem to be earnest. This one asks the sanctioned question and comes up with the answer "apparently not". Talk about hard-hitting! And this one has a girl claiming she researched the Internet, library and newspapers and came up with NOTHING! Now that's as convincing as yellow-cake from Nigeria.

I have come to the conclusion that aliens from off planet have developed a craving for parts of the human brain. They sneak down late at night, gorge on unsepcting victims and hide their activities by registering their victims as Republicans.

What I can't understand is why the GOP would even care.
When you already have Diebold in your back pocket and an effective system of voter caging, why do anything else?

justabill @ 28:

Lisa @ 27:

Whoa... that's the best Republicans can do?! What's wrong with respecting Other cultures? It's better than killing them.... And trying to end the war instead of focusing on a stupid NYT ad, what's wrong with that?! (although the Dems did waste time on it).

At first I honestly thought they were Democrats in disguise - They sounded very sarcastic to me at first. [...]

Did you even watch the video all the way through? Your "At first" impression was correct.

I did watch it till the end, which is why I thought it was sarcasm. That clarifies it, thanks!

xoites defends Constitution @ 31:

I have come to the conclusion that aliens from off planet have developed a craving for parts of the human brain. They sneak down late at night, gorge on unsepcting victims and hide their activities by registering their victims as Republicans.

Given the other videos (think I've found all 5) the must be replacing anything removed with turd blossoms.

One complains about the high price of gasoline and the prospect of $4 gasoline because the Democratic congress. Another brings up the GOP "biggest tax increase in history" talking point and then complains of education and health care bills to pay. And a third goes on about pork projects that the Democratic congress failed to stop while making it sound like they're increasing.

Definitely some bad brains working there...

God knows I am not a Hillary fan, but I can say this in her defense as well as any Democrat running for the office of President of the United States.

There is not one republican, including this idiot Ron Paul, who just thinks he is fooling the hell out of American people, that has a snow ball chance in hell, to even come close to winning this election.

This media will stop at nothing to get some traction for these ass holes, whom have simply destroyed what many of us always felt was the greatest country in the world and if any of these flea bags think that they will come close enough to even smell the white house to finish the bull shit that Bush will leave behind, they are going to simply start a mutiny in this country. This is real

Even they could not steal enough votes to do that. Folks are angry as hell at all of these bastards, but there is complete revulsion for ALL the republicans.

Just looking at these bastards, you can feel the vile build up in your system and the urge to somehow violate what ever laws they left in this country.

No I am afraid that Hillary wins this one and you know it's bad, when I am supporting ?Senator Hillary Clinton

Do you think the NRCC got that the video was really mocking Republicans?

Ouch. I would have entered if I'd heard about it--I could use a $500 gift card at the NRCC's expense, and it'd be fun to say "Actually, I'm voting Democratic" after they'd given you the prize and attention.

Obviously wouldn't have taken much to win, that's for sure.

Seriously, is there ANY grassroots support for the modern GOP? Is it just that their grassroots support doesn't understand how to use a computer and video camera?

(I do think it's important to note that there is a perfectly good conservative grassroots--it just seems like they won't touch the GOP with a ten foot ethernet cable. Maybe they've also realized that the modern GOP has about as much to do with conservatism as... um... I can't even think of two things that compare, actually.)

poor rapture bunnies can't catch a break

Tim in Japan @ 32:

What I can't understand is why the GOP would even care.
When you already have Diebold in your back pocket and an effective system of voter caging, why do anything else?

Diebold is in deep, deep dish shit. They just changed their name, their criminal operation has been so exposed. In California, which is 1/9 of the population of the country, Diebold has been restricted to one machine per precinct, all votes counted by hand.

ES&S, the #2 votefraud company, is being sued by CA for $15 Million, and San Francisco is also suing them. Expect those lawsuits to expand exponentially.

Senator Whitehouse has introduced (or will soon) a bill to outlaw touchscreen voting by 2012.

The RNC has been subpoena'd by Congress for the vote-caging -- we have both Gonzales and Rove on the spear for RICO Act violations, and most of the crooked Secretaries of State are out on their ass.

So, Tim, a lot of progress has been made in preventing a permanent state of dystopia in America, and the voting system is on its way back to being free.

Why all the negativity towards Republicans here? Yeah, I won't dispute the fact that apparently Repubs don't like making movies or creative stuff in general, but not all Republicans are bigoted idiots. And really, you're not doing the rest of us Liberals any favors by saying so.

That said, I'd give the gift card to the guys with the Xbox.

Have a good day.
John Cage

StCyrlyMe @ 36 "you know it's bad, when I am supporting Senator Hillary Clinton"

Given the continued intransigence of the RNC to distance itself from TREASON and racketeering of all sorts, this may be exactly the time for 'our' monster versus theirs.

Mostly, though, I think it is important to note that Congress is gaining power by the minute, and after 2008 we will have nearly a veto-proof majority in the Senate, and very strong control of the House. No President is going to be dictating. Congress will be in charge.

• Giuliani is the Federalist Society implant. He requires votefraud and terrorist attacks to install.

ANYONE (other than Jeb Bush) other than Giuliani is the person I support, if it comes to that.

So I'm not as afraid of H. Clinton as some. I see her as a DLC clone, with dangerous pro-Israel attitudes, etc., the same as most, but I don't think it matters, and the cult of the President is going to take some pruning back to normal -- and I think the Clinton's are political willows. If the Congresss is strongly progressive with large scale popular support, then H. Clinton is not going to be the danger many fear.

John Cage @ 41:

Why all the negativity towards Republicans here?

H'yeah, it's not like they bankrupted the country or anything...

As the old saying goes, 'You can't get a creative bag out of a decomposing porcine's testicular sack'.

Piss on the GOP! (They're used to it, it's their favorite thing)

i think this ad is trying to depict rethugs as beavis and butthead idiots, hence the moron's last comment about the braid dead woman debate.

manny @ 46:

i think this ad is trying to depict rethugs as beavis and butthead idiots, hence the moron's last comment about the braid dead woman debate.

DEPICT? Hey, honey, we report, you decide.

If you look at the first link, you only see comments from Spammers, NICE!

They're on the ball over at the Tech Republic

I DISAGREE WITH THESE POSTS... THE GOP HAS SHOWN REMARKABLE CREATIVITY OVER THE PAST 7 YEARS... YOU LIBERAL LEFT-LEANING PINKOS WOULDN'T KNOW CREATIVITY IF IT FLEW OUT OF THE SKY AND SLAPPED YOUR HEADS.... TRY THESE ON FOR SIZE--->

we are winning the war
we have turned another corner
i am not a crook
i am not gay
we didn't out a cia agent
i don't remember
i can't recall

PHRASES LIKE THESE ARE NOT JUST BORN OUT OF THE BLUE...
... THIS IS CREATIVITY!!! please try to appreciate it

This flop of the NetRoots for Republicans makes me want to share some Huge Generalizations, and In My Not Really Humble Opinion (Not safe for people who have a hard time with know-it-alls, hey, I had to get over the fact that I really do -- so sit back and enjoy):
Liberals tend to be great at initiative -- but tend to be like herding cats.
Conservatives tend to follow orders well -- but can't be counted on to do anything on their own. Which is sometimes great in an employee, you don't always want someone to have done a "really great thing that they thought would be better" -- you just wanted them to fill up the company van with gas -- not get the windows tinted.
You'd think that Liberals would be natural leaders -- but I don't think that is the case. Becoming a leader his a different social component to mere political tendencies. INMHO, leaders come from two factors; being a deceptive person, or needing to be in control that motivates people towards leadership positions. Before you "choke" on the idea of deception being a criteria for leadership -- I'd like to refer to psychology study that tested for just that. You could put it in a better light and say that leaders, try and mitigate points of view, such that everyone feels like they got their way. Motivating people is giving them a vision of something great -- and more often than not, they will never achieve it, but if you start with something rational, like you might get a $2 an hour raise in two years if you give up your life at home, nobody is going to get inspired. People need big goals, and need to feel listened too -- even if they are going to go out and do the same damn thing they did just before the "speech." A political leader is going to get money from a Lobbyist, to make sure they don't have to pay taxes on some business. The politician will "sell" that to the people, by talking of "incentives." They put a good face on some crap that they had to give you anyway. That, is leadership, and most of us are doing something that we would otherwise not do if someone were going to pay us anyway. Obviously, it's been working. Deception can be another word for a Positive person. In business, you are always helping the customer with your product, in reality, you are creating insecurity and demand for something that chances are, nobody needs.

>> In regards to the Conservative Leadership -- I see a lot of creativity and initiative there, they remind me of my six grade car pool, where we kids would think of a least ten diabolical things to do with fireworks, or old bologna sandwiches before we got to the school door, of course, the difference is, we are grown up now, and don't spend our creative thought on how to mess with people. I'm sure Rove and his buddies, however, giggle like school girls over schemes to defraud voters and such. I'm sure there are two brainstorming sessions a week on how to shut down a public school over here during a disaster, or how to privatize and pay triple with taxpayer money over here for some trailers that are unlivable and the money goes to another crony buddy.
>> Liberal leadership, strangely seems to be lacking initiative and spine -- unlike their followers. Perhaps this is because a lot of them are just politicians and Liberals in Name Only, or perhaps someone scared the piss out of them, and we really don't know what troubles them.

VietVet8666 @ 19:

IMO, those on the left and those on the right are separated mostly by perceptions.

Put a lefty and a righty in a foxhole.

Watch what happens.

I lean left but lean toward what I believe the truth.

Not quite sure what you're implying with the foxhole analogy (though if I were in a foxhole I would prefer to be there with the 'left-leaner' because I could be reasonably confident that if they were stabbing someone in the back it wouldn't be me).

Btw, aren't any differing points of view simply questions of perceptions? You say to-may-to, I say to-ma-to and all that.

Paul in LA @ 25:

justabill @ 23 "headsup, the two guys in the youtube are NOT republican friendly. lol"

Really? How can you tell?

Even Terri Schiavo is laughing.

>> Can you just Imagine how some of the Republican Leaders feel about their "followers?" I mean, THEY know, that some initiative they are putting out, like "FAIR TAX" or a national retail sales tax, gives their wealthy benefactors more fun money, at the expense of shifting the burden MORE to the bulk of the people who support them -- it's simple math, the people who make $300,000 a year or more, don't spend that much more eating than the people making $100,000. You want me to spend $.20 on sales tax to the dollar and lower my income and capital gains taxes? Sure.

They probably recognize this so clearly, that they must consider their supporters morons. I don't, because I know that it's more out of a conditioning in church, or an insecurity, that drives people to be Conservative. In the areas they allow themselves to think -- they are just as smart as any Liberal. They are just smart where they focus -- as we all are. It's more a condition of wearing blinders than of intelligence.

But the people at the top, and the shills who support them and hope to one day be inside the Country Club for their service, can't all be chuckling psychopaths like Karl Rove, or William Krystol. So, there has to be a lot of rational for their conscience with some of the smarter media shills to allow them to keep on with this. Either they've got a hugely distorted picture of the Greater Good -- which will come crashing down as the US fails as a world power very soon, or they are doping themselves up with Oxycontin, alcohol, or anything that will numb their emotions. I predict, when the excrement hits the fan, we will see a lot of people in the Press, and Politics (the ones not going onto their lobbyist rewards like Trent Lott), will be adding a new wing to the Betty Ford Clinic. You will be able to fill a city with people; "needing more time to spend with their family / lawyer / drug dealer."

Paul in LA @ 40:

Tim in Japan @ 32:

What I can't understand is why the GOP would even care.
When you already have Diebold in your back pocket and an effective system of voter caging, why do anything else?

Diebold is in deep, deep dish shit. They just changed their name, their criminal operation has been so exposed. In California, which is 1/9 of the population of the country, Diebold has been restricted to one machine per precinct, all votes counted by hand.

ES&S, the #2 votefraud company, is being sued by CA for $15 Million, and San Francisco is also suing them. Expect those lawsuits to expand exponentially.

Senator Whitehouse has introduced (or will soon) a bill to outlaw touchscreen voting by 2012.

The RNC has been subpoena'd by Congress for the vote-caging -- we have both Gonzales and Rove on the spear for RICO Act violations, and most of the crooked Secretaries of State are out on their ass.

So, Tim, a lot of progress has been made in preventing a permanent state of dystopia in America, and the voting system is on its way back to being free.

>> Thanks for this post -- you just made my day. It's so rare to actually get good news. We get a lot of "caught them red handed and now there is a hearing -- cue Arlen Spector to slam fist and not swear anyone in" type events. Nothing comes of them. The good news is about the foot soldiers; the Secretaries of State, who have to approve the crooked votes. Without these cronies in the GOP, it's going to be really difficult for a rational adult to certify the Electronic Bandit Voting systems we are using. I've been so afraid that we have another rigged election in 2008 -- it's looking a bit better now.

But if someone doesn't impeach the entire White House, and fricken' arrest all these Blackwater folks for simply thinking they can run mercenary training camps in the USA -- we may not even GET a fake election.

republican'ts still use carrier pigeons?

If Diebold's in deep doo-doo in California, might that be a partial reason for this new attempt at changing California's electoral votes, so you can win them by district?

Could you imagine brain eating ghouls at a republicant's convention?

Hey ilke, do you remember when those TWO DICKS made a UTube video and made like TOTAL ASSES OF THEMSELVES for that loser GOP party theyu suck up to? Like... What a TOTAL BUNCH OF FUCK-UPS DUDE!

Well this does come from the group that has never really invented anything...I repeat ANYTHING. Oh I would submit that probably the only conservative that has ever invented anything was that Eric Prince fella at blackwater's dad. He invented...(or maybe stole) the idea of the mirror visor in cars.

Can anyone else think of any other creative or inventive conservatives??????

This doesn't surprise me, Pretty much to a person, Republicans are a group of submissive, right-wing authoritarians. They are not going to demonstrate much collective capacity for creative initiative. That is for others to do. They are very good at doing what they are told - if it is spelled out, because authority makes them feel safe and protected. That's why the MSM works very well upon them as a highly top-down orchestrated, conservative propaganda organ: it tells them what to think(or believe without thinnking about what they are believing), and the structured environment created out of that centralized, top-down authority makes them feel very safe. (A pity that it is only the imagined safety of the most profoundly lazy).

I think for the same reasons, that the Republican-types are always going to be a day late and a dollar short on getting what can be done with the internet, because the internet is bottom up and it is diffuse. The only thing that the intertubes are going to do is make them afraid and assure that they will never stop trying to dismantle the net or place it under top-down directed toll gates. A plus for our side, because they will always find themselves being out-maneuvered and have no clue as to why that is happening, and a down-side, because we will never be able to relax for a minute as they ceaselessly attempt to undermine what now exists as the sole functioning avenue of free speech and honest journalism in this nation.

This goes beyond this. I'm currently researching this, but apparently, the David All group a Republican PR firm has been using the internet to game the system at such sites like Youtube, Digg.com, etc.. using fake profiles and fake (pro Republican, or crazy Lefty comments (to inflame issues)). Anyone interested can send me an email if they want more info, but I've already been digging and sent some of my stuff to friends in the media.

The Repubs have gamed real democracy, now they want to game internet democracy as well. Peace.

RW @ 57:

Hey ilke, do you remember when those TWO DICKS made a UTube video and made like TOTAL ASSES OF THEMSELVES for that loser GOP party theyu suck up to? Like... What a TOTAL BUNCH OF FUCK-UPS DUDE!

I can't believe you guys didn't catch the sarcasm in that video. Did someone have to tell you the Colbert Report was satire?

Yes the Republicans made the brain dead lady an issue, but as always the Democrats couldn't wait to vote with the Republicans on anything the Republicans wanted. Rep. Brian Baird (D-WA) was first in line to show his depravity and disrespect in a private family issue.

kerplunk @ 62 "Yes the Republicans made the brain dead lady an issue, but as always the Democrats couldn't wait to vote with the Republicans on anything the Republicans wanted. Rep. Brian Baird (D-WA) was first in line to show his depravity and disrespect in a private family issue."

Baird is a DLC "New" Democrat.

The issue should never have been in Congress to begin with. "As always" is just bullshit.

Palm Sunday Compromise (which I believe you are referencing:

"When it came to a vote, the motion was passed 203-58 (156 Republicans and 47 Democrats in favor, 5 Republicans and 53 Democrats against), with 174 Representatives (74 Republicans and 100 Democrats) not present on the floor at the time of the vote" -- wikipedia

If you want to blame the entire Dem party, or Democratic caucus in the House, 221 members, for the votes of less than 1/4 of the caucus -- that's just your lying. And all the bill did was move the case to Federal court. Big fat fucking deal.

VitriolAndAngst @ 53 "But if someone doesn't impeach the entire White House, and fricken' arrest all these Blackwater folks for simply thinking they can run mercenary training camps in the USA -- we may not even GET a fake election."

Nonsense. Bushco is finished. Blackwater's CEO has been caught in MASSIVE income tax fraud.

He will get a pardon, no doubt, but his operation is TOAST.

Paul in LA @ 64:

VitriolAndAngst @ 53 "But if someone doesn't impeach the entire White House, and fricken' arrest all these Blackwater folks for simply thinking they can run mercenary training camps in the USA -- we may not even GET a fake election."

Nonsense. Bushco is finished. Blackwater's CEO has been caught in MASSIVE income tax fraud.

He will get a pardon, no doubt, but his operation is TOAST.

>> I hope you are right my friend. That would mean Christmas has come early. Prince isn't the ONLY "personal security company" that has barracks in this country -- but this is a big deal IF anything actually takes him down -- I'll believe it when I see it. But it shouldn't even be legal for some corporation to own a tank or a war blimp -- it's like an alternate reality from 10 years ago.

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